So, You Need a Delivery Van: Is the New Ram ProMaster EV Your BEST Option?

[@baywesty]

Finally you got in the US the facelift front end we got on Fiat Ducato Peugeot Boxer in Europe ages ago. Spoiler, no facelift on reliability... (I work on those).

[@thealexpshow782]

The electric ones i could easily see amazon using

[@matt45540]

I just don't understand why Vans are so expensive. Big empty box little features. Yet it's the same price as a full size pickup.

[@alancobbin]

These started out in Europe about 10-15 years ago by Citroen/Peugeot Vans.thanks guys.👍

[@AS-um7hu]

18 years ago😂 2006 The 2014 Facelift made its way in 2022 to America🙈

[@stefanfalldorf6573]

They were developed by PSA and Fiat since 1982. This 3rd gen came out in 2006.

[@MrJordanwain]

@@AS-um7hucame here to say 18 years! This model Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen came out in 2nd half of 2006.

[@tumbleweed1976]

Any of you Euros have feedback on reliability?

[@MrJordanwain]

@@tumbleweed1976 we don’t get the Pentastar V6 we only get the 2.0 diesel and the older 2.2 diesel. There’s no horror stories as far as I am aware they’re a highly popular fleet vehicle like your ford E series and F series are in the US.

[@americanrambler4972]

I like the new camera based rear view mirror option/feature.

[@WW-wf8tu]

Mr. Rogers would be proud of your style Andre. That van you spent all that time in with Dave, would be great for a make shift ER van. Built in shelves for the bodies. Auto interior lighting for hands free operations. Also all those inverters for the electronic equipment associated with on board Ambulances. 😏

[@newscoulomb3705]

Thanks, Andre! Nice to see more commercial EV van options coming out.

[@JeffreyMota]

Not sure why vans are so expensive when it's literally an empty box on a frame

[@Dqtube]

Interesting how from European ~$57k for the Fiat E-Ducato with the same battery and motor as this vehicle it becomes $78k in US price.

[@arenjay3278]

@@Dqtube US Union Job costs

[@nevco8774]

@@Dqtube I believe the European spec battery is smaller, and the motor has less power. Besides the price in Euro needs to get converted into USD.

[@Dqtube]

@@nevco8774 It's nice that you believe this, but why don't you just do a basic internet search and look at the datasheet for this vehicle. The battery and motor are the same, 110kWh and 200kW. Also, the price I wrote has already been converted and rounded up to thousands based on the exchange rate from the price list published by Fiat for my market. It may surprise you, but even though countries use the Euro, the base price can vary in the case of the Fiat e-Ducato(4250kg equivalent of GVWR 9350lbs) it's €52,190 in Slovakia, which is converted and rounded to the $57k I mentioned, but a similar spec in Germany starts at €55,700, which is about $61k. You'd know all this if you did a basic search.

[@kenmcclow8963]

@@arenjay3278I am under the impression that US Promaster vans are built in Mexico. Unless it’s recently changed.

[@kenmcclow8963]

The $78k price he mentioned was for the van they were sitting in with the roll up door and the shelves and custom side door. They should have given the price for the basic van

[@AS-um7hu]

Interesting that it still has the same rear lights as the 2006 Fiat Ducato that have been discontinued in 2014 in Europe

[@kevinbarry71]

Goes a long way toward explaining why their dealerships are full of old unsold inventory

[@americanrambler4972]

@@kevinbarry71 Promasters usually don’t last long on dealership lots. Most of them are already sold when they arrive at the dealership. Most of the sales are to commercial buyers. And unless they are totally trashed or way over priced, they turn over quite rapidly on the used market as well.

[@Yarkozhaluva]

this is FIAT DUCATO

[@kenmcclow8963]

Since Stellantis owns the Fiat brand and the RAM brand it makes sense. When the Germans owned Chrysler the vans were Sprinters

[@bruceklassen8261]

Loved the video notice how he avoided the question on Range, for extreme cold climates

[@matt45540]

Generally a 20% reduction, it's not something you have to ask every time if you know

[@drnick40]

Very pricey for a bare bones delivery vans.

[@dfwvtxman]

I wonder if you could use the battery capacity for a camper van as well as for driving?

[@johnnycomelately4257]

$80,000 for a cargo van wow.

[@Harrythehun]

Make a electric camper van!!

[@tonyvanswieten9524]

I would be nice if Ram made a Plug in hybrid version. all the benefits of electric without the range anxiety.

[@brnmcc01]

It would be too heavy, adding a battery, electric motor, on top of the ICE engine, drivetrain, and fuel tank would be insanely hard to cram all that in there. Also, hybrid is the worst of both worlds for maintenance and reparability. Too much stuff to break.

[@tonyvanswieten9524]

@brnmcc01 6 possibly but would it be any different then The 2025 Ram 1500 Ramcharger that is a Plug In Hybrid

[@americanrambler4972]

I see that the configuration if the battery EV van is roughly the same hp, but has more torque. A reasonable trade off.

[@wolfman9999999]

e-sprinter wins. They get you over 200 miles on their current van.

[@brnmcc01]

Realistically out the door price is over $80k though.

[@tumbleweed1976]

It’s all about reliability. Are they? $78k 😳

[@HarnessedLogistics]

Should Do a BrightDrop

[@Tully3674]

These vans have become (or soon will become) their best selling vehicle. That's sad if you take a moment to think about it.

[@hadesomegamoto7639]

Very cool hopefully the price will come down in the future. I love vans but they're a dying class in the US. Hopefully with the EV powertrain it reliable, my uncle works at the post office and they have promasters and he says they're not very reliable. On the other hand I have a friend that has one and so far so good.

[@cch201992]

I would build one out a bit high but if I could get one at a good price id trade my promaster for an electric one Definitely want 200 miles range plus or the option for a small diesel range extender. Could do an option for a bigger battery. For road trips you can charge at camp overnight but you need to make it where you can make good amount of miles per day. Sometimes on a road trip you are trying to get to an area then explore. I see potential. I'd love a package to just convert my promaster I already to ev. I love the promaster out of all the vans personally

[@cch201992]

Even say you do 200 mile range the on a road trip you would only DC fast charge probably once unless you really wanna make some distance you wou fast charge once then you make it to camp recharge with the amenities onsite. I want to have a way to add solar you can get 4 to 6 400 watt panels in the roof if you do some stacking and a deployment system. 2.4 kw of charging isn't nothing slow but for camping doing van life totally doable.

[@robertn2951]

Does this van have the same platform as the Ram Ramcharger hybrid pick-up truck?

[@americanrambler4972]

Take the $32,000 van, put a new 10 year old front grill and bumper in it, add a few batteries and presto! You now have the $100,000 white empty box van. What’s not to like?

[@Bum_Hip]

So don’t buy one.

[@anajay78]

I wont

[@Bum_Hip]

@@anajay78 *won’t

[@americanrambler4972]

I have noticed that the 2nd quarter and year to date sales of the Promaster vans has slowed significantly, like by a third to half. Is that due to some production constraint or are buyers saying not this year or are they being resistant to the closing or out the door price of today’s Promaster van?

[@siddo326]

This is more like a ad for Ram.

[@adv.013]

With the configurator, I get confused why there are promasters with windows but not an option to add passenger seats like the Ford Transit and Mercedes Sprinter

[@jspira92]

You can get a crew version with 6 people.

[@adv.013]

@@jspira92 But not a 12 or 15 passenger like the Ford Transit

[@arenjay3278]

Side door optional?

[@joehoward3672]

would love to see the labour time for spark plug replacement on the petrol v6. these vans van be bad enough for access with a 4 cylinder diesel!

[@Joe12304]

Promasters always have the worst electrical problems. Look around sometime at them on the road. More often than not they have one headlight out. Is a constant issue. It’s a terrible fleet vehicle. Transit or even Sprinter will cost FAR less in the long run.

[@americanrambler4972]

Trades people I am talking with who run these vans near gross weight are indicating that they don’t get the winter and icy road traction they get with the ford transit and sprinter vans due to the heavy payloads they are carrying are placing more weight on the rear wheels vs the front. And they are indicating the Pentastar v6 is a bit under powered for the van. They also express concerns or have had more engine, transmission and braking issues. The say the drive train is too light duty for the job.

[@antigroundhogday]

Different strokes for different folks. If you are a local delivery guy, for sure you'd want the FWD Promaster with the weight of the drivetrain over the drive wheels.

[@americanrambler4972]

@@antigroundhogday that exactly what these guys are saying does not work, because when loaded, they have more weight on rear wheels than front. (The capacity weight on the Promaster big van shows higher allowed rear axle capacity for rear axle than the front.) when van is empty or lightly loaded, front wheel drive is a benefit. As they can get traction, but when the van is loaded at high gross weight, they have too much weight on rear wheels to get enough traction at the front.

[@amaanahmed3747]

fwd makes more sense with no load, or light loads, rwd makes more sense with a heavy load, and awd is better, but not necessary at all

[@arenjay3278]

Hmm...a 2023 new E-Transit is selling for $36k 68kWh battery. Half this price. The 2024 is $58k with 89kWh battery. I like fwd but I don't like it for 50-100% more money.

[@jminaya90]

For the price every company will go for the MB electric Van with 250 miles the vehicle can be on the street all day

[@rokko_fable]

100kwh battery, 200kw motor... If my math is correct, you can drive for 1/2 hour. Seems reasonable for a $70k+ vehicle. Lol

[@Videoworl-p6y]

😂😂😂😂

[@timgads1712]

If you drive pedal to the floor at all times. Well, for all 1/2 hour.

[@toyotaprius79]

Why Stellantis doesn't bring a rebadged Citroën Berlingo or Dispatch to NA just exemplifies one of the many incompetencies it shows. Turns out no matter how big the parent company a prioritisation of profit over the prioritisation of cooperation and investment concludes as no wonder why Stellantis is struggling. Still better than Ford both sides of the Atlantic

[@alancobbin]

Citroen Relay/Peugeot Boxer.

[@toyotaprius79]

​@@alancobbinwhich are the largest vans in their lineup

[@DragonWarrior15]

I think part of the reason they don't do this is because of a law called "chicken tax" very stupid name but it puts a 25% tariff on all light trucks (and other items) imported from Europe. Ford tried to get around this with some early transit vans but it was decided they violated the law and were fined a lot. I honestly think that this law needs to go away.

[@joetz1]

@@DragonWarrior15I think if Europe is willing to take down their tariffs we will probably be willing to get rid of the chicken tax

[@Wildbillcooper]

Stellantis just buys companies to kill them it seems…

[@ronisworld2916]

i love the setup of the EV but would still get it in gas

[@ericyuan9718]

sad they ignored customers wanting 4x4

[@kevinbarry71]

That's about 650 kg of battery. Plus all the other components. Even removing the gasoline engine, this thing is a pig

[@SteveSabbai]

I will never buy a Dodge Ram.

[@jayl6029]

So you are not interested in a Dodge Ram but interested in a Ram ProMaster I very much agree I would prefer a ProMaster anyday

[@arenjay3278]

70kW DCFC the new RAM Bolt.

[@brandonstewart7145]

Making it front wheel drive was probably just to cut cost. How is that van going to get around in the winter with front wheel and the back end loaded with weight? I had a ford flex that was front wheel drive and its basically a station wagon and it did terrible in the winter with all the weight being in the ass end lol!!!! But hey if the fleets are buying it then more power to them😊.

[@matt45540]

Has anyone ever asked themselves why vans are so un reliable. I saw two guys in two different vans leave their vans running for 45 minutes while they ate lunch yesterday. An electric gets rid of all the reliability issues hopefully

[@ranig2848]

These e-vans are going to kill ICE vans for last mile delivery. Many warehouses are adding solar (some also batteries) so cost per mile is going to be half of ICE vans (for life of van), and overall life of the vans will be longer than ICE… once these replace ICE in 50 mile radius, a second gen with more range will be available and completely replace ICE vans. The day of gas delivery vans are numbered. In the next 5 years they’ll completely disappear.

[@kevinbarry71]

It's just another warmed over hack job. At a ridiculously high price of course. Should do great

[@Harrythehun]

Calling the change of brand stickers on car as engineering is a major major stretch. Stellantis will probably ask thousands of engineers and workers resign in a near future.

[@alexvinson7373]

4WD would be nice, but FWD is OK, it's not a performance vehicle, and FWD works better in the snow than RWD, at least for me.

[@americanrambler4972]

I see a place for these vans in the commercial market. It remains to be seen how well these will sell. The ice versions of these vans seem to have interest and some are selling.

[@alko_xo]

After seeing all these new Chinese EVs, reviews like this one seem surprisingly outdated.

[@davidjernigan8161]

I wouldn't touch anything stellantis with the way the company is going. It will probably be bankrupt within two years.

[@OGcomingthrough]

If they fail the Chinese will take over. Why let all that branding and name recognition go to waste? Who in the US would buy a Yangwang over the same car but with a Chrysler badge?

[@Turshin]

There's nothing wrong with the vehicles. They dont have any more problems than any of the other big 3. No company is perfect. Toyota is pumping motors that go boom. The pricing is the real issue.

[@Turshin]

Why are you here to hate?

[@joetz1]

The cars are good Consumer reports even said a vehicle like the Dodge Charger has had all bugs worked out at this point and is super reliable And if they do go wrong the parts are cheap and available everywhere

[@DaleWilly]

@@Turshin umm Toyota is NOT having engines that go "boom" troll.. They NEVER have issues

[@ZaLodowyMur]

Side step is fixed not automaticly retractable when driving, this is ridiculously bad design! Who approved this for production?

[@billtinnell2206]

NO THANKS for an $88,000 cargo van with a range of 150 miles depending on how you drive. Might get 110 to 120 miles on a full charge with the air conditioner on during the summer. What a frigging joke!!!!!!! All electric vehicles of any kind are an absolute JOKE. Electric vehicles are NOT going to be feasible for 20 to 30 more years. Stop this madness folks!!!

[@carlosvasques5776]

This is the new Toyota PROACE MAX which is a collaboration between Toyota Motor Europe and Stellantis

[@mrstinky2421]

Rivian is 10000000 times better.

[@anajay78]

Make evs irrelevant again.

[@tasakidog]

Nope promasters are the worst option. Junk right out of the factory

[@12vLife]

We are not there yet... Tesla's can add 200 miles in a 15 minute fast charge. This is a brand new van that needs an hour to charge 150 miles. :( .. I wont make the move until we see a 500 mile range that can do that , but also when charge infrastructure is much better in Florida. So far it looks like maybe 2026.