Socialism, VDS, Afghanistan, & Coconuts | Politics AMA

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[@skarrx2416]

12:03 Q: "What's your take on Climate Change?" Vaush: "I think it's bad." Pog

[@hazelnut20030]

BASED VOWSH STRIKES AGAIN

[@keeganparkhurst]

Well... I think Vaush bad... Socialism owned

[@senboy9002]

@@hazelnut20030 Based Vauschwitz

[@otakusensei3549]

How did u see that when u only commented 11 mins ago

[@havencanfield4653]

Holy shit based voosh???? 😳

[@LimeyLassen]

I can't agree with the antifascist/pro-invasion guy. He's so reductive. Pulling out of military occupation in another hemisphere is not the same as "being ok with fascism", whatever that means.

[@goodluckgorsky3413]

Yea, this feels like a pretty weird approach. Like, was the US “ok with fascism” because they didn’t completely decimate fascist Italy, Germany and Japan the moment they popped up? Technically they were allowing fascism to exist and perpetuate for those moments before they joined WW2. It feels like kindof a weird argument. The US, ofc, was ok with fascism in other ways tho

[@maksschmidt]

Yeah, it’s super reductive. With his reasoning of being antifascist you could even say that continuing the occupation is pro fascist because it’s causing more people in the region to be radicalized towards fascism.

[@themightymcb7310]

Domestic and foreign policy require entirely different approaches and this guy doesn't understand that.

[@ctmdwhub]

@@dootu Fr tho. They kept asking Vaush "What's your solution?" Vaush responded that he doesn't think there's a practical solution right now. Then the called just kept asking "Okay, but what's your solution then?" I shoulda ff'd too.

[@edmaldonado8207]

Yeah he seems like he has a very poor understanding of foreign policy just in general.

[@dumat100]

That Afghanistan convo was frustrating. "We should fight fascism where feasible!" As if to imply a 2 trillion dollar, 20 year conflict that produces a completely US reliant government was feasible, lol.

[@Tid55584]

Right? As if actual anti fascists are the ones in charge of the occupation of Afghanistan and not the right-wing Democrats or further right-wing Republicans that have been in charge of the conflict for 20 years

[@Morgan.Farkind]

That guy seems like the type to say 'have you tried not being depressed' or 'just click the head to get better at FPS games'. Like that's never been how anything works.

[@lnplum]

Sunk cost fallacy aside, the problem with Afghanistan was that there was a political decision not to address the rampant corruption because there was no political will in the Western occupying forces to rebuild the entire government from the ground up. There was no serious attempt to build a stable self-sufficient government, just propping up a puppet regime as long as necessary. There was no way forward from that because proper nation building would have meant undoing the work that had already been done.

[@lnplum]

Also him conflating NATO and the UN is ridiculous. NATO is primarily a vehicle for US interests, UN is slightly more unified than that. Afghanistan wasn't a NATO invasion, Afghanistan was a US invasion supported by some NATO partners.

[@50733Blabla1337]

That guy was completely delusional....

[@jloiben12]

Vaush’s climate change approach here is very based

[@jamesshepard3]

As an academic, I appreciate Vaush’s take on academia.

[@nipplenuggets762]

Who woulda thought

[@jloiben12]

The gun conversation made me think of an interesting movie idea. Have a Clint Eastwood movie that is a very classic western but tell it in a way where the cowboy is the bad guy. That is something I’d want to see

[@bobpope3656]

Pretty sure that exist

[@jloiben12]

@@bobpope3656 Wait really? Damn I guess I’ll have to look back through his catalog

[@andresirigoyen]

McCabe and Mrs. Miller is very morally ambiguous

[@bobpope3656]

@@jloiben12 oh you mean made by Clint Eastwood specifically, not sure about that but I watched a few modern western when I stop driving I’ll look up what I have watched. While not exactly what you asked for hAve you seen bone tomahawk? It’s violent AF in a good way.

[@jloiben12]

@@bobpope3656 I’m sorry. The way you said it made it seem that way. Clearly that isn’t what you meant and were talking more generally. My bad

[@AhkenAOK]

Privilege shot them so hard they got out of the call... yep this is Gold

[@LDIndustries]

First guy kinda read a lot into the coconut analogy that wasn’t there. Also he started by saying he wasn’t going to change it so much as it would be a different analogy but then started saying that the problems with implicit coercion are inherent to more than just capitalism (which of fucking course) and that we could mitigate them through social welfare and regulation. Two things that if you implant them into the analogy make it a different analogy.

[@OneAutumnLeaf420]

Dude thought he could correct the Coconut King about coconuts lol

[@brutuslugo3969]

Well the point Vaush was trying to make with the analogy was that this was something unique to Capitalism..

[@LDIndustries]

@@brutuslugo3969 No, he was debunking the idea that Capitalism is based on free association and choice. That the libertarian idea of "voluntary exchange" really doesn't exist.

[@brutuslugo3969]

@@LDIndustries in his debate with Bastiat , it was more about the idea of coercion and how it's uniquely capitalist . Maybe he changes the analogies meaning to suit his argument

[@LDIndustries]

@@brutuslugo3969 Nope! The original argument where he used it was not with Bastiat (something he says in this video). It was with a former libertarian presidential candidate. The analogy has always been about coercion. Implicit coercion within society and the economy is the reason why the Libertarian idea of "voluntary exchange" (especially when it comes to jobs) is bullshit. Just as Vaush says here "You don't free associate your way into a job".

[@j.c.jeggis1818]

I always get so blackpilled whenever the questioner sounds female and chat immediately freaks the fuck out like they're 12 year old boys in a treehouse seeing a girl approaching

[@dre7508]

i truly am jealous of vaush’s home gym i literally hate leaving my house to exercise

[@ziggystardust3432]

“What’s your take on donda?” Vaush: Based

[@DoctorWhoBlue]

Donda chant

[@Morgan.Farkind]

That disabled dude should absolutely start making content. Well spoken, educated, with a Bible parable-tier life story that perfectly illustrates the needs of his and people like him. He mentioned other issues are probably more immediately pressing to more people, sure, but there's zero reason there can't be a big voice for a community like that. We're all going in the same direction, after all.

[@TheShyDoomer]

I'm dooming but still screeching about doing something to prevent climate change.

[@ofanichan]

«i have a home gym» *Caller has left the chat*

[@SarahRoseCO10]

I like the interview type content! I got to catch this live, just commenting for the algorithm

[@flygawnebardoflight]

55:55 I think that misses the point. The point is that a specific consequence is bound to happen, so why invest so many valuable resources like time, money, and attention into preventing it. A more accurate angle would be "I'm know I'm going to be murdered, so I'm living my life in fear of being murdered. But if I know that I'm going to be murdered regardless of whether I fear it or not then it would be preferable to not spend the rest of my life fearing it."

[@sivervipa]

I like how Lauren Southern's editor tried to just casually hop into this AMA to defend her. They weren't even being upfront about this either they tried to come across as a neutral party. That's absolutely pathetic and that's not even mentioning the lies that he tried to peddle.

[@soccerruben1]

If Lauren believes that Vaush is wrong, then why use your minions to defend yourself instead of having the guts to debate Vaush on this? Heck, get James to mod and let’s go!

[@wilfredgon64]

Holy shit..I really like that "gun library" idea that last guy mentioned..Wow..Talk about original..Don't think it would fly but I fuckin like it!!!!!!!!!

[@jloiben12]

We missed the opportunity to do the Afghanistan occupation better. Military occupations basically have a 5 year time limit. The farther beyond 5 years you get, the failure rate increases exponentially. We can’t do better now. All we can do is postpone the inevitable

[@hyperfeen]

i miss timestamps guy

[@lepro1337]

I'm a simple man, I see Coconuts, I click.

[@SA-mo3hq]

Time to get C O C O L O C O

[@soltier8965]

@@SA-mo3hq I will now steal your phrase, sorry not sorry

[@SA-mo3hq]

@@soltier8965 I stole it from The Might Boosh, so all good :D

[@neuroairman]

God damn it. I have a question for Vaush and I had no idea he was going to do an AMA

[@suhasnair19]

What was it?

[@paulandrew3319]

The best intervention I have seen so far in Afghanistan was a cat just now .

[@sortingoutmyclothes8131]

1:07:00 "The hills of northern Germany" LOL

[@senboy9002]

17:27 Look at the bottom of Twitch chat. "Vaush is saying this, ha, **baseless claims lacking an example or citation** "

[@QueenMeego]

It's not Twitch chat lol

[@Twilightts]

I would answer "If you think lying is good why should anyone trust you?" with "They just should, because I never lie, and your meat is huge, pogchamp."

[@nickmccabe2327]

LSV was basically doing the Red Scare for staying in Afghanistan but with fascism

[@UCUCUC27]

"the hills of northern germany" north european plane: "am i a joke?"

[@sovandeprins2663]

its off topic but sonia/sonja’s (?) voice sounded so sweet 🥺

[@gigacharles98]

100%, they came on and my face immediately 🥺🥺🥺

[@VocalMabiMaple]

Aww damn I missed the AMA

[@browk2512]

1:40:11 "THOSE ARE MY SQUIRRELS"

[@chrismills7703]

Can’t believe the anti-fascist imperialist guy equated pulling out of Afghanistan to appeasing Hitler

[@TheBigEvil]

Dude doesn't understand you can't bootheel insurgents the same way as a government. Insurgents are the people made organized and militant, they fight for where they live. Why they fight in this case is horrible and straight up evil. However it's a totally different beast.

[@ln8496]

"That's a cockroach hiding under a fridge because the light was turned on."

[@uncomfortabletruth5915]

There is a clear distinction between intellect and wisdom. They can be exclusive but arrogance tends to have a lot of intellectuals faking it.

[@murilocelebi]

I think I saw some people lately saying the thing about vaush saying it's okay to lie to achieve political goals and I have no idea where they got this, I watch his channel for years by this point and I don't remember he ever saying something like that. Internet is wild sometimes

[@FireTrainer92]

One of the more recent D****** debates

[@tristanmahler4471]

IIRC, it was a tie in to the conversation about Breonna Taylor. Many people say that she was shot to death in her sleep, when that is not the case, she technically got up and moved for a bit before dying. Destiny called this "lying", in that it is fundamentally dishonest and as reprehensible as lying about your end political goals, instead of what it actually is: illustrating the point of how fucking bullshit our JuStIcE system is.

[@AndroidCovenant]

Damn I missed this. Now I may never get to know what Vaish thinks about Peter Joseph and The Zeitgeist Movement.

[@kingharlaus43]

New subscriber here, love your content

[@-Sparagmos-]

It wasn’t one objective. It changed to nationbuilding over time.

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

In regards to climate change doomerism: I personally read and learn about how to make essential things like clean water and soap from scratch, so in case civilization does collapse I will be capable of supporting myself and my community. That's how I avoid being a doomer. I can heavily recommend the book Beyond Collapse by Miller Jr, T. Joseph.

[@Toastishott]

Sadly this type of hopeium doesnt work for me because I'm insulin dependant :'(

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

@@Toastishott Yeah that's fully understandable, and you can't produce it yourself unless you get a hold of the genetically modified yeast. The best we can hope for is a for a new method or a more efficient way for making insulin to be discovered before civilization collapses. Being able to produce insulin non-industrially and in your own home would be a great way forward.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Based Vowsh

[@SalinaBabba8343]

14:38 .. not sure what to think. This one has some questionable takes but they're not entirely unreasonable. Maybe it's because they're young? Haven't really developed their views? Hard to say, but the whole "POC are more prone to radicalization" bit was way off.

[@imacds]

From my experience, POC appear to be predominantly centrist and lean a bit conservative (especially fiscally). They want to be Republican so bad but are kept from it half the time by the much more overt racism of that party compared to the Democrats.

[@ryno4ever433]

I do think I see what they mean though. I don't think it's just POC, I think there's a higher proportion of Neurodivergent people and LGBTQ+ people as well that are radicalized to the left. I obviously don't have numbers on this, but I just see SO MANY of these people in leftist circles relative to their population in the world. I think minority groups do get radicalized to the left at higher rates in general, but this is based on anecdotal evidence.

[@SalinaBabba8343]

@@imacds and most data by statistics would support your claim. That's how "wedge issues" are developed by politicians to split the vote, because they know minorites can vote either way. Good observation

[@SalinaBabba8343]

@@ryno4ever433 on that note, sure, I can see that. Why? I don't see them getting radicalized to the right anytime soon. Maybe a few, because self-hate is very possible in those communities. So I wouldn't rule it out. As for the last part, I think minorites can go either way politically. As the other commenter pointed out, statistically, they tend to be center on the political spectrum.

[@ThreeBlindMiceFilms]

Yeah I feel like this was a 16 year old who is trying to understand radicalization on a fundamental/base level and is actually doing a pretty good job articulating their questions (considering/assuming their a teenager lol). Particularly in the last bit where it seems their seeking an understanding of what types of worldviews and life-experiences lead to Left vs.Right radicalization.

[@MrZimrak]

Where could I post a question for Vaush on the next ama? Where are the questions sourced from?

[@AnarchyIsLove]

If you're having trouble with nihilism, get really into art and music specifically. Find lefty artists, engage outside of the mainstream, and pursue your own optimism! We need to be at the top of our game, and if it's all pointless then you have nothing to lose by chasing meaning 🌸♥️ "nothing's gonna stop you from dying young and miserable and right. If you want something better, gotta put that shit aside"

[@bumblebeeatbreadloaf1286]

Good AMA 👍

[@NoodleBerry]

Gun library sounds pretty awesome

[@younggod5230]

oh its new vavovush

[@soccerruben1]

I wonder if the Aussie dude could get Vaush to have a chat with Pixel sometime in the future to discuss the SOTU of the Online Left, maybe addressing drama, talk about some normie shit, etc.

[@TommyLikeTom]

People raised in soft environments think they can control those who have grown up in rough environments because they behave roughly.

[@spaceglitter3033]

"most rocks on the ground are smarter than tim pool"

[@Dionysus56]

Time stamps?

[@cabalerios]

Based Nuke Boi. We can entirely supplement the renewable infrastructure with an on demand Nuke plant.

[@lucidhominid2190]

I DEMAND THAT THE TERMINOLOGY BE TWERKED!

[@alexanderboulton2123]

Do gun monitors like Canada does

[@rowanredwood9316]

what's the first guys info? he said it so fast

[@BrianMcKennaPuffnfresh]

Yeah I couldn't figure it out

[@BrianMcKennaPuffnfresh]

Think I got it: KyosanAU

[@lolwhatidk]

hey alright thanks

[@Draven1895]

Vaush based, Vaush based

[@magnus_cockstrong]

Power to the people of Afghanistan.

[@Jcewazhere]

Why does the volume/density of battery based power storage matter when talking about grid power? //Nuclear isn't terrible, it's not a panacea though. We could put a house sized battery under every house. An apartment building sized battery under every apartment. Put car sized batteries under most parking spots, and solar panels above them. Put giant flywheels in the tops and bottoms of skyscrapers to act as their power storage and counterweights. Put compressed air tanks under/beside every high voltage tower for liquid air based power storage. Put molten batteries underneath fields of solar panels as both thermal and electrical power storage. Put weights above old wells to act as gravity based power storage... and so on. This is all space that is freely available, but we can also used otherwise unused space to add power storage, like the Hornsdale power reserve. Lithium batteries are not the only power storage available. There's pumped hydro, thermal storage, kinetic storage, gravity storage, electrochemical* storage, pressure storage, phase change storage, and probably more I'm not remembering off the top of my head that can all help stabilize the grid by storing excess wind/solar power until it's needed. Then there's vehicle to grid power which we should get up and running ASAP. America's not going to switch to fully public transport anytime soon (not that VtG couldn't work with public transport, look at 'Magic Schoolbuses') so we can use EVs to help stabilize the grid while they're sitting in parking lots and at home. Then there's the non-intermittent renewables like solar-thermal, orbital solar, hydropower, and geothermal. Then there's non-nuclear radiation based power, aka RTGs and radiovoltaic. They're not great for high output per volume/mass, but they last a very long time and they're cleaner than traditional fission plants. *AKA batteries, but they come in lots of flavors. From the molten batteries of Ambri, to the iron-air rust batteries, to different phosphate based ones, to graphene/graphite based ones, and so on. Save the lithium for the toys and cars, use other stuff for the grid. Fission is probably part of the answer to how we power the planet clean(ish)ly, but it's not the only answer. This guy's framing was annoying.

[@good4gaby]

Magic batteries ♥️

[@jloiben12]

Does someone have the coconut section?

[@Heidelmann]

The first section.

[@mariomurcia7509]

its like one of the first questions

[@TaosoftheVoid]

The guy talking about Afghanistan was talking so fast I swear he's related to Ben Shabipo

[@squash9425]

TIMESTAMPS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@soltier8965]

No timestamp No like on video 😤

[@FelisImpurrator]

VTSD? Vaushite: The Sasquatchface - Beardhair?

[@Leppa10]

39:40 Don't remind me. Those weirdos make me embarrassed that I sometimes use my VRV account to watch the show

[@lifeisgood12341]

@1:41:25 literally a conservative friend and i came to that concussion years ago for gun control, basically a gun club, you can have machine guns whatever that if the community deems it nessisry you could arm yourselves. Not a perfect solution by any means but an interesting idea to simultaneously loosen and restrict access to firearms

[@thewrongsorcerer]

22:36 what word is she saying here?

[@ratofthecity6351]

mama mia!

[@guiden1954]

The first mama mia of chat

[@Merten5]

Al go rythm

[@Jcewazhere]

Ethnic cleansing + genocide has killed what 200 million total at the high end? Climate change can, and at this rate will, kill billions. Sure it's not likely to end humanity entirely (there are a few nightmare scenarios that could but they're very unlikely), but billions of graves filled and billions more suffering doesn't really compare to ethnic cleansing. I'm not a doomer, though I don't know why not so can't answer that person's question. I just disliked that comparison Vaush made, and he's made it a few times now. The black plague killed a third of people in Europe. Smallpox and other diseases killed half or more of the native Americans. That was at a time when population density was a tiny fraction of what it is now. If/when we get another high mortality rate pandemic like those we're screwed. Especially with anti-maskers and vaxxers being elected to political office seemingly en masse. Pandemics like that will be exacerbated with climate change. It's possible that dormant diseases thaw from permafrost, but even if they don't all the climate migration will ensure pandemics become worse. The stronger and more frequent natural disasters will compound with the plagues. Even the flu will start being far worse once the climate migrations start ramping up. Right now we're seeing Covid get far worse in the places hit by the hurricane. It's hard to social distance when you're in a disaster shelter with thousands of other people. I really don't know why I'm not a doomer. Between the tropic of Cancer and Capricorn will likely become uninhabitable. That's 45% of the planet's population moving mostly north as there isn't much to the south. Parts of Canada and Russia will become more habitable. Though not great for farming because of the more extreme swing between winter/summer that far north. Most plants don't like constant light or dark for months at a time which will hamper farming. Maybe we'll wrap the equator in solar panels like in Dyson Sphere program. There's some hope I guess.

[@brutuslugo3969]

"we aren't given free choice to participate in these systems" was not the point vaush was trying to make with coconut island...

[@wabschall]

It literally ends with "is this coercion?"

[@paulspringwood7190]

@@wabschall In the sense of how power dynamics and systems of “haves and have nots” perpetuate a coercive system by influencing our decision making through economic starvation. Generally Austrians and Neoclassicals present actors in a labor market in a vacuum (ie there is no tug of war between the employee and employer), the coconut analogy addresses this by isolating variables to show how non voluntary are actions really are in the labor market.

[@Bailey-dj6hz]

Anyone know the new name of the "artist formerly known as girlboss marci" or have they just dipped from the internet

[@BangaWangaTschanga]

FYI The Duning-Kruger effect is not such a good talking point since it was mostly misinterpreted. Apparently all people are bad in guessing their IQ or "intelligence" in some sense - it is just that with people who score lower in intelligence tests have more space to guess wrong "upwards". They still don't think they are far better than they actually are. Read it up if you want this argument described better (I am not a native speaker)

[@MrNic919]

Do you use beard wax or nah

[@domenicgalata1470]

Looking forward to the new t shirt on the merch site…. Coconut 🥥 Manager. It could be like a name tag design, or a design with a person holding a coconut at dick level, and it’s like a Dick In The Box type thing 😂

[@Keirfey]

4:20 lol

[@qurn]

whoa, whoa, no suicide at gun ranges happen. Ask anyone who works at a range. They will tell you it will happen if you work long enough.

[@wolf123450]

He cited a statistic, 118 instances over a several year period in 16 states, which was insignificant compared to total suicides by gun over the same period and population. Of course this doesn't control for gun availability, so implying that gun libraries would reduce gun suicide is not a demonstrated connection, only a correlation. Possibly if the only guns available were in gun libraries, people would more frequently use that method of suicide. Also gun libraries completely eliminates the possibility of defensive gun use, which is the legal reason why handgun bans aren't feasible so you would run into the same political challenges there as other gun bans.

[@tyler9004]

What is your favourite colour?

[@dudobaggins4121]

Blue please

[@otakusensei3549]

Pog socialist discourse.

[@hazelnut20030]

feels like a leftist npc commented this

[@otakusensei3549]

@@hazelnut20030 i feel like an npc most of the time

[@otakusensei3549]

@@josh_harrison most people r like npcs

[@dylan2439]

@@josh_harrison have you heard of the high elves?

[@otakusensei3549]

@@dylan2439 lmao

[@AnarchyIsLove]

Pulling out of Afghanistan was anti-imperialist, not necessarily anti-fascist. Antifascists aren't ONLY anti-fascist. It's not as black and white as he thinks. If we're there forever and they're completely reliant on us, they're basically a colony.

[@Zero420DX]

Pog

[@Keirfey]

Oh good grief... 42% again. They killed Kenny this 1984 lol

[@t4ky0n]

I fucking hate the 3head emote

[@stoneman472]

The "Don't Pull out of Afghanistan" guy was fucking infuriating. This fucking guy wraps his whole opinion around the American Military being Anti-Fascist. They are not.

[@veganvanguard8273]

algorithm

[@Cyrinil142]

Still disagree with Vaush's gun take. The cultural differences he describes are as a result of gun policy. When Australia introduced gun licensing and buyback programs, we had the same gun nuts and political backlash and it all dried up nearly overnight. Also interesting that this is one issue where he jumps to "but it's politically infeasible" pretty quickly. On M4A or the electoral college or any number of other issues he would be discussing the various benefits or drawbacks as entirely divorced from how likely they are to happen. Like, we get it, you can like guns but the material benefits of various forms of gun control are pretty well established. I'm sure americans can find another means to get the benefits that guns give them. Start packing their underwear maybe.

[@POPCAROfficial]

This feels like an incredibly naive take from an American perspective. I'm not sure you understand 1) just how many guns are in this country and 2) where they come from. Also worth noting that Australia doesn't border any other countries. We get a lot of guns imported from Mexico (illegally).

[@Cyrinil142]

@@POPCAROfficial From an Australian perspective, this response sounds like any conservative from the late 90s. We also got plenty of illegals guns from neighbouring nations. and btw, not every state in your country is on the Mexican border. Sorry if this sounds condescending but this response sounds like all the "but the US is different" arguments that conservatives make when people point out health care or labor policy that obviously works in every other developed nation. I understand you're drowning in propaganda but even US lefties struggle with this kind.

[@FireTrainer92]

@@Cyrinil142 it's not propaganda it's a lived reality lol

[@ouroboros2415]

@@Cyrinil142 I admittedly don’t know much about Australia gun culture so maybe you can enlighten me. In Australia, was gun ownership and the “right to bear arms” so ingrained in the population that it’s a near literal threat of violence from gun owners to any that would wish to take their guns? In America that’s how it is. Gun ownership is a sacred, god given right to some (probably many Americans). And yes I do believe that those beliefs could result from years of propaganda but this is propaganda that has stemmed from the very start of the country. Any initiative to remove that propaganda from the American population was not only be politically ineffective but also takes years and millions upon millions of dollars. I just don’t know how you’d would get the kind of support needed to even start with removing the “guns are sacred” mindset from many Americans

[@Cyrinil142]

@@ouroboros2415 Yes, there were plenty of asshole gun nuts who made all the exact same arguments. and this isn't "from the start of the country." The modern view of the second amendment as an individual right and fetishized view of guns came about in the late 60's in the US with the Mulford Act. Prior to that, the left, the right and even the NRA viewed the Second Amendment as a *limited* right to transport firearms for lawful purposes, such as for recreational shooting, hunting, and to and from residences. Your lack of gun regulation is *causing* the gun culture. Not the other way around. When the Australian parliament pushed through gun regs, most of those people disappeared the same way that all the major anti gay marriage activists did. You're still doing the "but america is a special unique country and normal politics that functions in the rest of the world doesn't apply to us" thing.

[@chaserseven2886]

Wats an aussie and a "Australia"

[@falkorornothing261]

a Australian.

[@aidanhearn4210]

Texas, the Continent.

[@SA-mo3hq]

A nightmare fever dream

[@yulikitten]

Vaush PP stream, lmao

[@d-5037]

Vosh

[@zakaryrichmond396]

Mr vaush do that thing be farting please respond its urgent?

[@InternetLaser]

I´m sorry vaush, but I clicked on this video and immediately heard a british person speaking, I´m afraid I´m going to have to skip this video.

[@falkorornothing261]

the brit is only in the beginning. skip it. or maybe you're joking 🧐🤭

[@aidanhearn4210]

They're Australian

[@SA-mo3hq]

Hey bruv, no need for slurs here. No-one is so irredeemable that you should write them off as Brittish.

[@falkorornothing261]

@@SA-mo3hq I thought it could be hard to understand him. he was talking fast and I had to pay attention. I'm married to a brit😂

[@falkorornothing261]

oh Australian. maybe that's why I was struggling. I stand corrected

[@Yepmyaccount]

Shame it had to end early. Debate panels are so boring because of how unproductive they are. These are way more insightful.

[@joesteel6361]

Vasuh, Maoists do not argue against Chinese Social-Fascist repression of the people

[@MrGameSecrets]

Im not sure what you mean. Maoists constantly defend China

[@joesteel6361]

@@MrGameSecrets Not true at all. Mao said before he died to organize guerrilla war against the Chinese state if revisionists like Deng and others get into power

[@Tyxaar]

On the gun thing, honestly I've always been a little repulsed when leftists advocate against gun control. Honestly, it is a cultural problem and coming from australia, hearing american discourse so divided on this topic is... off-putting. In my mind, advocating for gun control i like advocating for explosive control.

[@MrGameSecrets]

Part of it is because our cops don't protect us, and our government has historically tortured and murdered people with our politics. Im entirely uncomfortable with the idea of letting the US government monopolize violence

[@Tyxaar]

@@MrGameSecrets I'm in favour of strict regulations and disarming the police. I just think that dealing with america's gun violence problem can be solved without empowering the police, say with licensing and extensive background checks. As a crossbow enthusiast I understand the appeal, but responsibility is key.

[@Kropothead]

@@Tyxaar The American right devotes almost all its effort to agitprop. We have a frighteningly effective propaganda industry, and it’s been telling folks for years that any gun control at all immediately leads to complete disarmament. It’s brain cancer, but it’s an incredibly prevalent meme. That, and we’re terrified of our police, not that fighting back against state violence ever goes well for us. Guns are a totem, like a security blanket, used to protect us emotionally from the worst potential excesses of a crumbling authoritarian empire.

[@leonst.7471]

Vaush is a sussy baka

[@prettiwensmyling]

Would you say he kinda smells like a baka?

[@mikehawk9531]

Chat shit on the pro interventionist guy too much imo. I feel like the dude just doesn't want anyone to get hurt

[@drts6955]

But aren't legally held guns responsible for many deaths and rarely actually save people from violence? I agree it's politically and practically infeasible

[@WhiteNegative]

Id say the person holding the legal gun is responsible, which can be solved through increasing the general wellbeing of the population so people don't develop problematic behavior.

[@strongbone9471]

@@WhiteNegative mental illness is not linked to crime.

[@strongbone9471]

@@WhiteNegative in fact people with mental illness are more likely to be the victim then the perpetrators.

[@falkorornothing261]

@@strongbone9471 I don't think he was bringing up mental illness. I would enjoy seeing statistics on mental illness and guns. I think he was saying people who are struggling to get by are more likely to commit gun violence. it can happen many ways. racists saying these people are too blame and people acting on that. robbery gone wrong. domestic violence has roots in poverty. war on drugs.....

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@strongbone9471 Mental illness is linked to poverty. Poverty is linked to crime. It's not a single-factor correlation.

[@journeymanic9605]

It's hilarious listening to this so much later, and the Taliban wallowing is mostly what has happened. Still terrible, but they seem to be mostly bored and addicted to porn which honestly, what could be more American? That's a rhetorical question just in case it wasn't caught.

[@oOMathiasSOo]

I tend to agree with Vaush's positions, not when it's about guns. And yes I'm from Europe so it's a different point of view, but I also realized long ago that I've been brainwashed to love guns, from Hollywood movies, series, and the majority of video games where you solve all your problems with a fire arm. It should be common sense to think that nothing good comes from guns, it's a necessary evil and it should be limited as much as possible. "Americans like their guns (...) getting rid of them is politically inefficacious". Americans like their capitalism too, and the idea is not to get rid of capitalism in one day, with one reform, the idea is to introduce more and more socialist policies to make capitalism less and less capitalist; same for gun control. You don't wanna ban all guns one day, of course it is unfeasible, you want to add more regulations around gun ownership, step by step, until you live in a country where owning a gun is a niche, like having a stay at home wife, it's a bit retrograde but I guess it's fine. I think Vaush is just factually wrong in every aspect on this, and the reason is that he likes guns. That's it. Maybe he should ask himself why he likes guns so much, and maybe he would realize that the idea that "guns are cool" "guns are badass" is an insidious myth perpetrated to this day by the mainstream media. And the fact that somebody on the left thinks that any effort to limit gun ownership would not be worth it, blows my mind (not literally, I dont own a gun).

[@aldenkahl8703]

"Nothing good comes from guns" It's a tool plenty of good things come from guns. How tools are employed is the measure of what comes from them. A good thing came from guns when the Afghans used them to push back against the soviets. A good thing came from them when they were used to push back Japanese Imperialists, good things came from them when the Vietnamese used them to drive the shackles of colonialism from their country. Your view is poisoned.

[@demetergrasseater]

You can say guns are evil all you want but when fascism is rising in the streets what are vulnerable people supposed to do to protect themselves from genocidal mobs

[@mommybat2941]

I have no desire to own a gun, my dad owns guns, and I do see them as a tool. Growing up my dad would hunt deer and that’s what we ate. Now that I’m an adult we don’t really have to do that anymore and my dads guns are locked up In a room, I can’t remember the last time he shot one. As I said I have no desire to have a gun, and I think we should have processes and waiting periods when people go to buy guns. America has tonsss of guns and it’s just not a real option to just up and get rid of them. I live outside Chicago and I’m pretty sure a lot of the areas police around me do gun buy backs, no questions asked and I support that: education goes a long way. A lot of people get shot in accidents and hurt them or someone else because they don’t know how to shoot a gun or know gun safety. Guns are necessary to a lot of peoples lives, that’s how my dad fed our family. I also think leftists being extremely against guns can be a bad look and fuel the hate the right has for us.

[@oOMathiasSOo]

@@aldenkahl8703 This "only a tool" argument is so hypocritical. A hammer is a tool, you can build a house with a hammer, you can also smash somebody's head with a hammer, so you can do bad and good things with it. What can you build with a gun? It's a weapon, it's a tool of violence. Then you go on and explain to me how guns are useful during wars... Wow very profound. The problem is that you have to apply this to your "peaceful" country. You accept that US citizens are at constant war with each others and so guns are good to kill your enemies, not brothers and sisters, not fellow citizens, enemies. Police vs Blacks; Facho vs Antifa; Children vs Children. You want to go on with those wars? Go on ahead, have fun.

[@aldenkahl8703]

@@oOMathiasSOo We aren't at a constant state of war, gun deaths make up a proportionally small number of our deaths. It's not my fault you don't understand the use of violence and want to label it bad at all times. A knife is a tool of violence does their common use throughout America mean we're at war with each other? Ireland was a peacetime country buddie, before the people decided they didn't want it to be. The ability to do violence is what all power boils down to when you cede that power to be the exclusive releam of large power structures you forfeit the ability to check them. Nobody was at war when Unions used firearms to check corporate power.

[@FormThisWay]

vaunch bad

[@remytwoshoes1769]

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