Andrew Klavan: The Truth and Beauty

A conversation between esteemed author Andrew Klavan and Socrates in the City host Eric Metaxas regarding Mr. Klavan's recent book: The Truth and Beauty: How the Lives and Works of England's Greatest Poets Point the Way to a Deeper Understanding of the Words of Jesus.
This event took place at the Union League Club in New York City in September 2022. Learn more about Socrates in the City at socratesinthecity.com.

[@airspun9801]

I live in a third world country and being able to listen to Andrew Klavan pour his mind and heart is such a miracle, a blessing. Thank you Lord Jesus!

[@Louis.R]

You live in France?

[@lydiaspellings6484]

Good joke Leigh

[@sstolarik]

No, the US. 😂

[@rrppodcast3347]

🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻 This comment makes my heart swell.

[@Z4nuu]

You from the uk?

[@lindaford1186]

His Podcast, the Andrew Klavan Show, drops on Friday and is just like this conversation. I always feel better about the world after listening.

[@JonT1137]

His podcast is always thoughtful and since he moved to the weekly format last year I think his episodes are timeless.

[@faithmcdonnell940]

Me too!

[@storyvault7]

But not today!!!??? That’s why I’m here instead lol

[@milo8425]

It's my favorite DW show. He's wonderful.

[@avemason9981]

Eric, thank you for having Andrew Klavan as a guest. What a phenomenal conversation!!! So timely in this season of increasing darkness. His testimony is awesome. A blessing from God - both of you and your words.

[@jennymcgowin9140]

Andrew, you have single handily revived my faith, especially in what I already believed. You have beautifully stated my own beliefs. Thank you. God bless you and your writings.🙏🏼✝️

[@valeriecalder1273]

I just love your description of the joy of the Lord which touches the soul and makes you cry. Great discussion

[@jennymcgowin9140]

This is one of the BEST podcasts I’ve ever seen! I can’t wait to read that book!! I love Andrew and Eric!❤❤

[@garudasomanna]

Thanks Brother Eric for this jokes-peppered conversation about serious spiritual matters. I have watched you for the first time a few days ago while viewing the video you have done with Dr Tour. Being a serious Christian, I was having doubts whether it was proper for me to spend an hour watching this video, the Spirit of God led me to remember this scripture: Philippians 4: 8, Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

[@vanessadowney3593]

Glad you did listen .I listen while I clean or do dishes or work in the garden.

[@nancygrabill5598]

Me too...most of the time. Have you all seen Eric's 3-part series with Walter Hooper on C. S. Lewis? That one am me this interview with Mr. KLAVAN are my favorites❤

[@garudasomanna]

@@nancygrabill5598 Thanks for the suggestions. I am watching his latest videos of TBN. I am busy with my own work for the Lord [making song videos] and in case I have the time, I shall watch the videos you have suggested. GBU.

[@kathyjames9250]

H-m-m-m! I’m just a 68 1/2 year old kid, but this interview was so fun, and I felt so involved with you my brothers in Christ. This has given me a new hope of why and how to comment to all these young (or not) people who think that Believers are intolerant, homophobic, crazy etc. You are right, it is joy, love and excitement that will be the best advertisement for our relationship with our Saviour. I am thinking of buying your books now, instead of waiting as I usually do, for my birthday, as I think sharing them will be the right presentation of the gospel for my intellectual bookworm neighbour.

[@janehoward1584]

Klaven's 'attractiveness' to me is the story of his struggle to find his purpose outside of his Jewish roots. He is open & vulnerable as he journeys foward to knowing Jesus, the person. Extraordinary man of humility filled with love, some self castigation & a yearning to bring others along to find their purpose & joy.

[@JonT1137]

There are no ‘e’s in Klavan, he just makes it look easy.

[@dannydoj]

Jesus’ roots are Jewish. Klavan is just returning to the beginning.

[@loriforges6304]

​@@JonT1137clever. I had to pause

[@howardbabcom]

Metaxas and Klavan together finally - brilliant!

[@dougmoore5252]

Andrew Klavan has a supernatural sense of life

[@danitapowell2291]

Andrew is so fascinating, he turns Eric into a listener.

[@downlow0075]

@danita powell No easy feat!

[@marcialynch8103]

That is another small miracle!

[@vanessadowney3593]

Haha, funny!

[@amybarlow3045]

Hahahahaha

[@Pet.Wifey.Voice.Of.Reason]

I only had a hint of Mr. Klavan's past, I had no idea he went through such a mental break as he describes in this interview! I am so delighted he was able to get out of it and to find meaning with his life in the Eternal Way. I do not have much time to listen to his show very often, but I truly appreciate his insight! He is one of the best conservative voices out there, and there are so many good ones. I will always make time for Socrates in the City, tho. I am so happy you all are posting again!

[@gabeturner]

Klavan's memoir, The Great Good Thing is essential reading. So good!

[@robertslimm9319]

Thank you for this. It's wonderful to see and hear you two sharing your thoughts.

[@leeanncrockett4969]

SITC: my two favorites on one stage having a conversation....heaven!

[@crawdad4823]

Klavan is a very wise, smart guy. And Mataxis is a very funny guy. What a combination! Great to see SITC back online.

[@friendofjesus1680]

Excellent conversation between Klavan and Metaxas, both brilliant minds

[@1911free]

We missed you Eric. From your fan club here in Greece. Καλημέρα σε όσους Έλληνες παρακολουθούν.

[@matthewg694]

He has his own show, you can look it up on Facebook if you have it

[@monember2722]

I'm not Greek but "Hey"!

[@AaronDAntoni]

Eric, you always know how to draw in the audience. It’s good to see

[@majigaining]

I was beggining to think i had subscribed to this channel for nothing. Boy am i glad that Eric is rebooting SITC again!!

[@Nolte7178]

I read Mr. Klavan's Truth & Beauty recently. I thank him for writing this book!

[@op4rlb348]

I’m SO glad Andrew said that The Truth and Beauty was for people who did NOT read or love poetry.. Wonderful. I read the Great Good Thing, which was the BEST book I’ve read in a long time. And of course I bought The Truth and Beauty immediately upon finishing it,but haven’t cracked it open, because I felt I needed to go back and revisit the poets first… (and learn what I can’t remember from college days…) Thanks again for a great interview!

[@marcialynch8103]

Even though I am a poet I want to read his book! (This is the first time I have admitted that I am a poet, but what joy in saying so! It's true.)

[@susanellis4684]

Alistair Sim's A Christmas Carol is my absolute favorite! What an amazing interview. Thank you both.

[@johnmartin4152]

"Am I joining the other team"- yup, an issue for Jews who come to faith in Jesus in the modern age. Thanks for dealing with it so frankly in a open forum, Klavan.

[@ruraljuror6585]

I am inspired. The part of the discussion on the distruction of the feminine was insightful. That has been going on since the Garden. I need this book.

[@SEW_B]

Eric, this is the first time that I have watched one of your Socrates in the City, and I found it very enjoyable. Andrew Klavan is certainly an unusual and interesting guy.

[@johnhall8364]

Andrew Klavan is literally a gift from God. His ideas, words and faith and the Joy he projects have changed my life…. For the better.

[@derivepi6930]

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Matt. 5:8

[@sapatomaluco]

What a HIGH LEVEL talk! 👏👏👏

[@nancylohe986]

....I Really Admire Andrew for his Honesty in Explaining how he came to encounter Lord 'Jesus 'and his Real Reverence and Tenderness while talking .....

[@My56David]

I have been waiting for Socrates in the City back. Have Andrew Klavan is a great start.

[@TryingTheHardHikeATAdrieWashne]

I might need to listen to this twice. Very deep for me. Loved it.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

"You sound like you're five years old!" Something I always say....Stay In Touch With Your Inner 6 Year Old. The world in a MUCH MORE INTERESTING PLACE! God has given us this very magical universe to live in.

[@vanessadowney3593]

Such a profound discussion. One of my favorites. Thank you for hosting Andrew Klavan.

[@xxthepoppaxx]

I came here because Socrates was in the title but what klavan discusses is what Im really into. Weird. Now I can get his book

[@kiernan00777]

God bless you Andrew, and you too Eric.

[@jcbquark8037]

Quite a few novel ideas for me to think on. Thank you Andrew!

[@elan1071]

Brilliant! Enjoyed the discussion very much.

[@Gorbyrev]

What a fascinating conversation. Off to buy a copy of Truth and Beauty.

[@Tbail]

Legit that part about the idea of removing women, Frankenstein, terminator, was so eye opening

[@gabeturner]

Klavan is a treasure.

[@pantonal]

thank you! more please.

[@dannypoppymathis]

Excellent! Thank you!

[@oracleofdelphi8411]

I have such man love for both of these guys

[@debbebunch9973]

One of the best! Thank you...

[@mariachacin557]

This is the only program I don’t fast forward the introduction. 😊

[@rtrouthouse1506]

My goodness! Eric Metaxas is a wonderful bridge builder among people.

[@dangaines405]

Great interview! Andrew Klavan is great!

[@dantruitt1138]

Two of my favorite public figures in the whole wide world.

[@CICMCB]

Yes an astonishing array of guests.

[@patiencefalters9024]

Klavan & Eric are exceptional talents.

[@barbarahvilivitzky7514]

What a wonderful conversation this is.

[@vernonpurdy8607]

The same thing happened to me. The Lord said “Be baptized “ life has not been the same since. Thank God.

[@stevn845]

Now I want to see Andrew Klavan delivering a lecture on stage at Charis Bible Collage Colorado.

[@janiemalina6283]

❤ to come to Understanding the ❤ of the LORD!!!

[@craigfuqua4519]

Andrew is fantastic. Great conversation

[@craigbenz4835]

Glad to see the channel back.

[@marybethleib8286]

Impressive start to finish. Just ordered the two books!

[@jglow8337]

Two brilliant men

[@samm8190]

I’ve been waiting for this to air since I heard it would happen!!!!

[@marianneperez5198]

Lovely interview. Thank you.❤

[@davidpelzer2404]

Dr.E.Michael Jones has written a great book called: THE DANGERS OF BEAUTY The Conflict Between Mimesis and Concupiscence. It's a great read and it covers more than these two guys ever could. Christ is King!

[@joolz5747]

Jesus came to set the captives free. We are in a prison. Yes, we are as you said, he came to set us free from all sorts of prisons. Praise God.

[@jedclampett7705]

Holy cow! Just WOW!!!!!!!

[@expatamerican3234]

GREAT Interview about Truth and Beauty

[@PhillipLWilcher]

Eternity is Time without borders, the entirety of our being. Eternity: Entirety

[@fedorindoukaev3361]

God bless both of them

[@clementinemonroe717]

Yay! Reboot, love this

[@hubbellgodsey4067]

Thank you.

[@noelajones619]

Jesus also said “Judge with righteous judgement.”

[@joshuaorourke1976]

Andrew Klavan is the the best host on The Daily Wire.

[@PhillipLWilcher]

I loved this interview for the light of Divine Love it shines upon creativity. If I may offer the following thought, hopefully in keeping with it: A mind whose imagination knew no bounds in tailoring such spectacles as 'The Taming of the Shrew'; who penned tales of truth and treachery, benevolence and betrayal, love and death, and death as sacrifice in honour of love; dualities within a state to tax even the greatest of truths, the likes of which the world will never bear witness to again. A man whose mind sustained him; in whom the rhythm and texture of words found no other counterpart within the genre of his expression, neither before or after the advent of his being; not in any penned history, tragedy or comedy, neither poem nor varied part that saw his art adapted by way of experimental variance to the contemporary so as to appeal more simply to the herds that otherwise might not have heard his "teachings" for what they were. Where it could well be argued that the canon of works comprising thirty-seven plays, two narrative poems and a collection of sonnets Shakespeare presented to the world "says it all", did not Jesus say it all too, but more precisely, and with no less poetry at play by way of The Sermon on the Mount, and has not The Sermon on the Mount stood the greater test of time? Not that it can be held true, nor even refuted, for we will never surely know, but how much of Shakespeare's work, if we consider it in just proportion to the highest of ideals, could be aligned to the allure of such a sermon that might have served as serum for the sorrows of his own personal life, the death of his son in 1596, his father in 1601 and his mother seven years later in 1608, not to mention the approach of his own passing in 1616, the cause of which is not known ... What frailties of the human experience does Shakespeare touch upon that Jesus did not to divine the way? Against the arras that was to become the backdrop for all subsequent literary endeavours by poets and playwrights alike, being of expression the most ideal, let us now consider The Holy Scriptures, penned as they were so many centuries before, believed by the devout to be a matter of fact, and the "in doubt" a moment of mere fiction; how in light of love their provenance matters little but for the friction that is of this: For any mind to imagine the coming of a Messiah; the presence of a divinity in human form, that such a form as was Jesus became The Christ who made the blind to see and the lame to walk; who removed illness and raised the dead but to be sacrificed for the sins of the world as was he so humbled before the face of humankind at its most cruel, and then to be resurrected, suggests that within the scribes who had not the inherent styling of speech as did Shakespeare, but whose servitude was such in purity to possibly surpass him - each purity of thought being a pause for thought - was the presence of The Divine, a consummate spirit that was itself both the creator and the creation of His Story: History. How could they have been "imagined" otherwise? How can you first imagine God without God first being present within you? How does any artist imagine their ideal, without that ideal first being present in his or her being, or is that where our humility draws the line, at any hint we should so honour the power that first bestowed upon us that by which we ourselves are honoured? To that must then be considered this: how can you first imagine evil without evil first being present within you? How could even Shakespeare first imagine treachery without treachery first being present in him? But then, things can be consciously willed and that they be so willed does not imply one necessarily has the want to occasion them. Conversely, you do not have to be present in God for God to be present within you, and is that not the divine mercy of God, that his love is so to remain present and regardless? It is that whatever tale you tell should adhere to the highest tenet of truth any legalism or casuistry can ever admit, the truth that saw jealousy kill Jesus. And what about the music of Bach, a voice "not quite God" but near enough to at least make you want to believe in the Almighty, and at most exclaims : "I do!" And for that matter, what of the matter that is of you? If The Bible is the sum total of its contradictions, is that not Life? Is that not Love? Is not the greater question one of acceptance? Are we not all, as is Life and Love, the sum total of our contradictions? Therefore, is not The Bible a testament of life and the treasury of love one's faith requires of it to be - whatever your belief - if in what you believe there is the presence of love? Why bother to debunk or even approve of it, after all, are we not ourselves the greatest piece of fiction before the reality that will be our fate?

[@grateful1947]

Thanks for sharing this. Amen to the pork chop metaphor.

[@PhillipLWilcher]

To love your enemies is to not be like them as they appear to you in your life, an enemy to them!

[@phudaddy]

Whoa I though SitC quit making videos

[@homevideo2299]

Andrew Klavan, Christ is King!

[@danitapowell2291]

The target is not you, the target is God. That is why we are only made righteous when we are covered in the blood of Jesus.

[@fedorindoukaev3361]

Lol, when Andrew was telling about how wonderful his marriage is, and Eric said "yeah, my next marriage will be like this", I cracked up. I think this is legit one of the funnies impromptu jokes that I ever heard, because it is so rooted in life, how we tend to live in illusions even when we are in our older age

[@kevinmolloy4356]

'many of the things that Jesus said didn't make that much sense to me. So I decided to reinterpret his words through the lens of the four most decadent people in England'. Yes of course, that makes perfect sense.

[@ryleighloughty3307]

Klavan is the man.

[@christisgod71320]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[@andrewkeswani6906]

I loved listening to your views on concentrating on avoiding sin versus concentrating on the goodness of God. Do you think that it can be both? Negative vs Positive Freedom (the Berlinian Guiness idea of it)

[@leedufour]

Thanks!

[@hackbritton3233]

I am praying for Spencer. Really I am.

[@3coins.]

There is your truth and my truth but then there is the Truth and that’s not just a fly on the wall.

[@vanessadowney3593]

Andrew has a brilliant mind. His link to sci-fi and the destruction of womanhood is profound.

[@peggyoban4069]

I love this guy.

[@jessesewell7922]

You should have Michael Crichton on. He may not be a man of faith but he has a deep and genuine love for real Science and the truth. He’s a principled man and a gifted writer.

[@utubeo]

Critchon died in 2008

[@edsaadi]

It is an exegetical fallacy to develop a doctrine of sin based on the extra-biblical Koine Greek use of the word. Sin is much more than "missing the mark" in the context of the the Scriptures. Otherwise, a great conversation!

[@monember2722]

What is the look on Metaxas' face while he is listening? I've never seen that look on his face in any other interview I've seen.

[@ConradSzymczak]

Fascinating

[@notloki3377]

nailed it.

[@downlow0075]

10 minute stand up monolog prior to Drew's introduction

[@richardt.buryan832]

THE FIVE TRANSCENDENTALS ARE CONVERTIBLE: TRUTH, BEAUTY, THE GOOD, THE REAL (ENS), THE ONE.

[@mak7587]

I hate poetry but I wish I didn’t, it’s almost like there is a secret that I’m not privy to.

[@mitchpeter5718]

That’s the perfect way to describe your situation!! You are indeed missing out!! I can’t explain it any better than you have!!

[@pierresaelen3097]

Try once to write your statement in a poem by pouri g uour heart into it. Maybe that this will open you to poetic beauty.

[@lwiimbokasweshi]

Big fan of Drew.

[@kamerad4212]

Eric you can't use the UFO cult anymore. You've worn it out!! )

[@christopherk222]

✅ Andrew Klavan ! 😀

[@singingschmidts]

"An unsharpened knife is not for cutting." - Socrates' butcher

[@Chloeayoy]

OMG Was the woman sitting beside Faith Andrew's wife????????