is Turtle WoW PAY 2 WIN? - Turtle WoW Cash Shop Review

[@fufu1405]

This is the best private server, it made me fall in love with WoW again.

[@orcstregth2642]

same! I LOVE THE added content!

[@86Corvus]

Its selling gold and characters under the table to external black matket sites. Its not more trustworthy than blizzard. Its all crooked so no point in playing.

[@christhezane]

You could say the large 28 and 36 bags give you a huge advantage over other players that are just starting out, gold farming wise. Gold being king in this version of the game. Other than that, yeah, nothing they offer through donations is game breaking.

[@86Corvus]

They generate gold and characters and sell them to external sites for profit.

[@patrickobrienstr]

There should be a shaman glyph for their wolf form. I would love to see a ghost wolf form!

[@SolheimGaming]

Excellent idea!

[@justanotheroldguy]

u can get the points also by leveling toons with the challenges i have collected 150 so far and havent put one cent

[@redhawg]

Getting to 60 is heavily time-based. Saving time by not having to travel to empty bags, repair, auction house, etc. = direct pay to win. Especially for gold farmers never leaving their farm spot… Also especially for people who can’t play 80 hours a week like other sweats.

[@stemson6883]

the mount "Tamed Rak'shari" is fkn mint. v cool idea

[@Mumpinator]

I think the „pay to advance“ you mention has larger consequences than you say. more bagspace (especially in the early game) is a huge advantage. As well as the brainwash machine. (this will have more or less impact depending on the class you play). But considering the insane work those people put into this server, I dont mind that. I can still enjoy the crap out of this server without spending a single penny. As long as they don‘t add super powerful purple weapons or stuff like that to the shop, its fine.

[@Visuvh]

Brainwash machine does what, por favor? edit: seen in the video now 9:20.

[@86Corvus]

Theres no such thing. Its just another word fir pay to win

[@mmbw123]

It resets your talent and saves 2 talent specs you can swap like dual talent​@@Visuvh

[@mmbw123]

Just level a slow and steady character and you get 200 points and can get those easy.

[@thephlegmmaster78]

Personally, I think bag space and repair bot are same convenience, as one gives you flat-out more space, while other gives you possibility to clean bags, aka sell stuff more often. So putting them in front of other does not make sense. However, out of the all stuff listed, I would argue that Mobile AH is more 'pay2win'... First, such thing is not attainable in-game... Second, AH's are limited in the world (Main Cities + 2 neutral AHs)... Having AH at hand wherever in world you are, is much more than convenience, as you can buy stuff (e.g. pots/flasks/etc) at any given point in time... That said, I still don't think it is too big of a problem. Cause you can still use alt to buy and mail it to yourself... So I do agree, most of the stuff are really a convenience.. The big problem I see is that they are not account bound, cause I would really not like to spend hundreds and hundreds of euros to buy it for couple of characters...

[@Visuvh]

I'd donate to get rid of mobile ah, but doubt they'd remove such a feature.

[@xavier2946]

Pay for convenience is pay to win if that convenience is going to allow you to lvl and advance much faster

[@Raxxer1993Q8]

If they make money, they honestly deserve it. This is a really way to add in paid features. I usually don’t pay money for ingame stuff, but the skins, daaamn I’m tempted to play this server and try it out.

[@misantrop]

thats not to pay to win. that is a smart way to earn money to keep server going

[@jiraiYT]

Sol great vids! Started HC on 🐢 wow and LOVING EVERY DEATH 😂 Hope to run into ya ❤

[@Kanivalos80]

Only the gameplay tab feels a bit wierd, but if you can buy it with ingame gold as well its fine. Woudnt mind paying 20-40$ if i was raiding in this server.

[@SolheimGaming]

Agreed!

[@NazzyDragon]

You can level characters slow n steady to level 60 for 200 shop points, account wide. Not p2w =P

[@zack6192]

Not sure why they don't add forts for guilds that could be built up using tokens to enhance the fort. It would have to be instanced with guild members allowed to enter the door of the fort. One fort for the horde and the other Alliance. You use tokens to add stuff to your fort interior. Mostly cosmetic. It could include farming inside the fort to make buff items for raiding. I am not sure if someone else has already put this idea forward. I haven't played or paid much attention to wow since 2007. I just tried out turtle wow and I love it.

[@wfaddwadadw]

great videos man keep them coming! I started playing turtle wow beucase youtube recommended me your video ... now im going to try to go hardcore mode and hopefully not die ahaha

[@azfilms3240]

The only problem is to summon auctioneer. that is just not Classic

[@nantiyawongtongdee5103]

Gameplay is pay to win grind, and you have all city with you inside dungeon and farm until your heart out, you don't have to return to city to clear your bags or repairs you can also post your shit into auction house :D ultimate farming strategy for mage grind gold and items in dungeon once you enter dungeon you have big bags/repair bot/ auction / mail and then this guy said nothing can gain over free to play player haha, if you don't see the huge advantage of how they made... then you need to play more wow to understand the basic.

[@halason1]

Support this server so they can keep adding new classic content, they actually give a shit unlike the billion dollar embarrassment wearing the skin of a once loved franchise.

[@TRAMP-oline]

@@AntonioKH2 it's much more likely that you are a raging bigot, sexist or racist who can't read a room and has no idea how annoying he is. it's unlikely that it isn't you that is the problem. ripbozo, only weirdos get banned

[@paulo1ftw]

@@AntonioKH2 Ban you for no reason, eh.

[@a.o.skurtt]

I like this server, 20 euros for one bag is a little steep though, Especially for being character locked, I dont mind supporting private servers but eh

[@mmbw123]

You can get 200 points anytime you level a character to 60 with the slow and steady challenge, so it's pretty much free

[@danyyy_8733]

Gameplay tab is pay to win since it alter things in the game, the other things is just cosmetic which is still a bit unfair since you cant acquire any of these things by expressing your skill or spending time to get them. Overall, could be worse.

[@CatEarDad]

If you were to compare this to Warmane where you can buy full sets, this version of a cash shop as very limited distortion of our game play.

[@soulcleric]

is it possible to trade donation items like a mount. I'd like to buy a mount for me and my friend.

[@vida2559]

If I remember correctly you can donate and send the point to your friend. When you donate you need to choose to send it to your friend.

[@Blekk1989]

If i buy a mount from the shop will it upgrade my riding skill to 300?

[@danyyy_8733]

If two players starts at lvl 1 and one person have 4st 35 slot bags and you throw the argument "but they can farm gold to get them" its essentially that person starts with 1500g more then the other players if the cost of each bag would be 375g. In other words, that person should not need to farm gold to be on even ground.

[@snowlily5540]

having the items character bound is best because since the prices are so high for items, it doesn't just encourage everyone to buy everything and then the server becomes ridiculous. If the big bags were like $5, everyone would buy 4 and they've immediately have them on every char. That's not good for the server. High prices reduces the amount of them and certainly means everyone won't have them on each char. same goes for all the other stuff too.

[@sleepykitty4472]

Cosmetics and mounts create a gold buying market unless those donation points are non tradeable,if they were tradeable I would call it pay to win.

[@picki7726]

pay to convienence is the same thing as pay to win, you're saving a lot of time if u buy stuff to level up faster than other people

[@nfc14g]

Honestly a little disappointed at the prices, seems quite overpriced to me

[@Freedom-of-speech4]

Imo is not pay to win but the fact the items you can buy are not sharing with all your chars are not a clever business idea. Like myself I lvl my priest but I don't know if I stick with the class as main so I'm hesited to spend money atm I bet I'm not the only one. An other great video 🎉

[@supersasquatch]

Portable repair in end same raids is really p2w

[@TheDeFiler316]

Holy shit, the verbal gymnastic on this is unreal 🤣

[@xzxxx-km4vy]

You know these shills will defend their addictions with everything they got even if that means making up excuses for a cash shop on a private server

[@la0z]

So is bIizz not going to take this server down?

[@SolheimGaming]

Doubt it

[@OUmSKILLS]

@@SolheimGaming May I ask why you doubt it? Turtle WoW seems to be getting very popular, and as it's F2P I would imagine it is taking large swaths of players from Blizzard who would otherwise be giving them $15/month. I'm not a classic player so I don't really know much about it, it just seems likely to be taken down when someone is profiting from Blizzard assets and taking their profits.

[@aprilfulgham5100]

There severs are overseas and out of us laws jurisdiction so turtle wow will never be taken down.

[@fufu1405]

@@aprilfulgham5100 Every time this conversation pops up infame, I read that the server is in the UK, which sounds off.

[@ashiok]

@@OUmSKILLS They can't take down EU servers due to jurisdiction, even Nostalrius, which famously shut down, really just shut down due to the devs taking a discreet offer from blizzard to develop 'official' classic in exchange for cancelling Nost.

[@dernettemensch]

the server is cool but way too expensive since even the Blizzard store looks cheap against it and no that the prices are not fair. especially since everything is per char only

[@wvjeepguy8178]

Ascension has a much more friendly cash shop for essential items. Their season pass comes with a ridulous amount of items for $25 or less depending on which package you get.

[@Bilbobaggins82242]

you just skip over the spectral was 2000!

[@The123dsd]

official blizzard servers are more p2w than this is lol

[@juanrollel3693]

how so?

[@Munshade]

@@juanrollel3693 wow token -> gold -> gdkp -> bis

[@Catsurugi]

yea, haven't even watched the video, usually the comments give me a good grasp of what is discussed... and damn how the f people thinks this is not p2w? and saying blizzard classic is more p2w? I don't get it man ahhahahah. Both games you can buy gold with cash from third party sites, but this server just straight out sell for a VERY HIGH PRICE the ability to make everything 2 times faster, and even on late game, that fact that a mage can run dungeons alone, do his runs, and instantly sell everything repair refill and go again without taking 1 hour travel times? You can close your eyes and lie all you want, people ain't getting fooled

[@needparalegal]

Cash shop is nothing, after 3 years of Naxx means you are in BGs with people in FULL NAXX gear. I am looking for a FRESH server where I won't be going up against people in full Naxx.

[@draggy76]

IMHO it's not pay to win, it's kinda like Overwatch, all cosmetics and or pets/mounts, nothing NEEDED to fight or win.

[@danburke6568]

Repair bot is a loss for income for engineering profession. So not a big deal.

[@sergioveraruiz5384]

No, end of the video

[@jutpvp6223]

To an extend i would say bags are P2W. idk if on this server there are bags bigger than 16 slot bags, but lets say there aren´t (besides the bought ones) you buy the 36 slot bag: get 20 slots more times 4 cause you can equip 4 bags. Then you have 80 more bag space for crafting mats / rare items etc. what you can sell in the auction house. Much faster than the person without the 80 space cause he has to go back more often and can´t farm for exsample thorium ore for that long cause his bags are much faster full. But then you can also say the Auction house is P2W cause the person negates down time every 3 full 16 bags cause the cd is long and the 36 slot bag person can use it every full bag cause he takes longer to fill his bags. With 80 more space and an auction house he then sells more / has less down time and there fore has more gold and as we all should know by now gold is=power. idk if there are any GDKPs on that server but I would guess as much. But in all fairness wich server does not do something like this. So its prop one of the most less P2W servers. BUT i would also argue it´s less P2W more P2Progress.

[@jutpvp6223]

or that what he says :c shoudl have watched more that only 8:00 mins

[@Barad-Dur_IsACapitalOfMordor]

GDKP is strictly prohibited on TurtleWow. All large gold transactions are monitored by GM.

[@mikethemilkman5246]

This server is so awesome that blizz copied the idea.

[@TheJohn5279]

How much are you getting paid for promoting this service? I get it, what you do with your money is your prerogative. But, changing your talents on the fly is definitely a retail feel. And it absolutely gives you an advantage. I love how they charge real money for the barbershop as well. And by your logic, a level boost isn't "Pay to win" it's "pay for convenience". Wouldn't being able to hold more stuff get you more in game gold, since you don't need to delete stuff? And of course it's character bound, how else would they make more money?

[@KingCharlybone]

damn you sound mad

[@SolheimGaming]

Gonna answer all your questions 1: Payment Getting paid a whoppping 0$ 🤝 As a content creator on KZbin you are legally and contractually obliged to show product placements & endorsements by ticking a box, in which case the video will show "This video includes product placement" as a text. Failure to do so means KZbin can take down your channel. I'm not risking my KZbin Channel just to not disclose a partnership. Almost nobody does. 99.99% of the time when a KZbinr says he's not sponsored, he's not. That being said I have been reached out to by numerous other private servers in the past offering me deals. I've turned them all down. I like to make videos on games I enjoy & actively play, so unless I'm already playing on their server OR I try it out and love it, I turn them down, because I'm not gonna make videos on a game or server I personally don't enjoy. Concidering I already play on Turtle WoW I would love to do a sponsored video for them, but I'm already making videos on their server for free so that probably won't happen 👍 The simple reality is, which is apparently hard for a very few people to understand: - I enjoy playing Turtle WoW - My audience enjoys watching Turtle WoW content (as proven by EVERY Turtle WoW video I make outperforming my recent Classic & WOTLK videos) I thought, as a content creator, I should make videos on what I enjoy playing & you guys enjoy watching, which is exactly what I am doing here. 2: "Changing your talents on the fly absolutely gives you an advantage" Yes it does. I said so in the video, and I also said you can get it in-game from an NPC for 350g so this is not something you HAVE to pay real money for. 3: "By your logic, level boost isn't pay to win, it's pay for convenience". Nice trying to use my own words against me, but no. Buying a level 60 boost instead of having to hit level 60 manually gives you access to numerous things that are directly p2w by paying to unlock that content faster. Examples: - Additional weeks of PvP Brackets, hitting R14 weeks before anyone else - Additional weeks of Raid Lockouts, giving you more loot. - Getting into raids earlier 4: "Wouldn't being able to hold more stuff get you more in game gold, since you dont need to delete stuff" Like I mentioned twice in the video, the bags are the only item I can to a certain extent is p2w because they are the biggest obtainable bags and you literally have to pay for them. However, you have access to 12 character toons. Deck each character out with 4x 16 slot bags + your regular backpack and each char has 80 Bagslots excluding your bankspace. Multiply that by 9 alts since you want to play your main character, thats 720 slots for you to store BoE items and things you want to sell, all you need is to farm until your bags are full then mail your sellable items to an alt. The actual impact of having bigger bags in reality is a lot smaller than people think it is but again I have already agreed to that element being somewhat p2w to a small extent.

[@JuanFernandez-tg5qh]

This response got you a new subscriber. Great job.

[@Bamboozaler]

@@SolheimGaming Don't listen to these people, just keep making videos. They just want to tear a good thing down.

[@fufu1405]

You people are insane. You expect a truly f2p experience where the devs make no money. This shop is absolutely fair. You’re mad you have to pay for the barber? Are you insane? If you think being able to change talens on the fly turns the server p2w, you need to stop smoking crack. Turtle WoW is the farthest from p2w.

[@Krixantemuum]

I was considering trying out Turtle WoW, but.. after seeing the Gameplay tab in the donation shop? Hell no.

[@MrMagicMert]

Your idea of pay to win is wack. Pay to win is pay for any advantage not offered to no payers. Mobile banks and auctions, Massive bags, mounys for cash rather than gold / resets for cash rather than gold are all pay to win as they offer an advantage. Ita not egregious pay to win for sure but its still pay to win.

[@final4x4]

AH and MAIL is P2W

[@jacobprout5097]

Frankly the cash shop is lame as fuck and it's the primary reason why I don't play on turtle.

[@TheAckeePlant]

Your loss lol

[@a.o.skurtt]

i 100% dont mind cash shops but 20 EUROS for 1 bag is really steep

[@vadim6656]

What a joke. Turtle is awesome

[@jimb5246]

Pay to win? NAA it just helps keep the server running. People are stupid

[@NetBSDToaster-u8e]

I love this server! And it's not pay 2 win at all.

[@redhawg]

Getting to 60 is heavily time-based. Saving time by not having to travel to empty bags, repair, auction house, etc. = direct pay to win. Especially for gold farmers never leaving their farm spot… Also especially for people who can’t play 80 hours a week like other sweats.