SOLO SHUFFLE TIER LIST PREDICTIONS for PATCH 10.2 - DRAGONFLIGHT SEASON 3

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Some corrections based on November 13th Hotfixes: worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24030413/hotfixes-november-13-2023 Changes -DH Darkness is now 50% in PvP. Previously it had a 250% modifier in PvP. Seems to now have another new modifier that hasn't been updated yet: i.imgur.com/22m9kwH.png -MM Hunter 4 Set nerfed. Shouldn't change its position on tierlist much, if at all.

[@stepitup23]

i think you are sleeping on bm hunters.. They seem stronger than mm to me right now.

[@domoariscotto7486]

I'm so happy hunters are getting huge damage buffs. I felt like 1 second was too long to live

[@DTWD16]

i mean look at the patch notes....they got nerfed by 40% in pvp.

[@WoWFtw8]

its the only thing they got going for them

[@BranBronzebeard701]

​@@DTWD16the 4p that was previously unnerfed unlike every other teir set Yea

[@Zedaso]

Are you really complaining about hunters when demon hunters, warlocks, rogues and mages are dominating with double their burst? Jesus stay 1400 for life bro.

[@ofgas4039]

@@Zedaso you’re right with dh and destro lock but hunters do way better than mages and rogues (I’m talking about burst damage).

[@The_Fictionist]

Unholy just got hotfixed with even more damage today and now I’m terrified of them.

[@Kanoog]

Yup, You mix them with a Druid in 2s... or SS it's nasty.

[@DB-pd3to]

Love the prediction on feral S tier , with almost the same mmr statistic on Drustvar as a frost DK. KEK

[@Cryttanz]

Healing for the first time ever this season, but doing it by kicking people in the face. This is the way.

[@Kanoog]

It's all fun and games until you are stunned.

[@Bicmex]

8:38 just some footage of me missing trap -> getting lightning lasso'd 💀💀💀

[@PoopSockJohnson]

Bicmex! Do you think 2 or 4 set is worth for survival this season? Considering fury of the eagle is normally not used in pvp

[@saori_gopass3630]

just saying, affliction didnt receive any nerf on UA (25% less dmg from talent but 25% more dmg in pvp overall) and rapid contagion disapearing was compensate by a 15% dmg buff on corruption and 15% dmg buff on agony at all time (so its actualy a buff cuz it free a pvp slot and u get the dmg of rapid contagion all the time)

[@aic20]

no its -50% dam on UA if you take the pvp talent and theres a 2 talent node to increase by 30% so a net -20% dam on multi UA build

[@saori_gopass3630]

the talent was -25% dam on UA and got nerfed to -50% dam (25% actual dmg nerf). Also the 25% buff is not a talent but just a buff from patch 10.2 . So at the end of the day its a net 0% change on UA beside not having rapid contagion@@aic20

[@Phantomtheives870]

Can you do a tier list for the new solo rbg?

[@Kanoog]

The solo RBG isn't out yet... or am I missing something

[@shadowbanned3044]

@@KanoogNobody cares about rating in WoW anymore. Call it "Battleground Blitz" if you want.

[@Azifox]

I will push 2400 again with enhance to show the power of the spec 😎

[@Fabolousyo]

I wish I could have done it but I stucked at 2,1k. What build are you going to play?

[@Azifox]

​@@FabolousyoI play big burst (ascendance and full mastery)

[@Fabolousyo]

@@Azifox do you think lavalash or frost build has a decent chance? It doesnt feel so smooth to me

[@Azifox]

@@Fabolousyo Sorry idk, I always play stormestrike build with big OS :) You can see some vids of this build if you want :)

[@shadowbanned3044]

@@AzifoxSounds like you like the one trick pony play? Basically a coin flip instead of actual PvP. Am I right if I assume you are at ~50% win rate at best in solo shuffle? (I assume that's where you got your highest rating)

[@AXLee27]

People still sleeping on BM hunter. I'm saying it now, they are one of the strongest spec and going to be even much stronger with 2 & 4-piece bonus.

[@mikepexstaerts2316]

Yeah i dont understand why ppl such underestimate those 2 and 4 pieces bonuses

[@KoreicOSRS]

I agree, been playing BM for a bit and it feels really good. The burst opener is just insane its def S tier right now.

[@mikepexstaerts2316]

@@KoreicOSRS u playing with call of the wild i guess ? With tier set it will be insane

[@KoreicOSRS]

@@mikepexstaerts2316 Yeah its absolutely insane Tier sets are going to be so much fun xD

[@mikepexstaerts2316]

@@KoreicOSRS yeah haha cant wait to have bonuses for BM and MM 😂

[@Thristed]

another great vid, thank you to keep us updated!

[@devonck195]

I don't think disc deserves S tier, it's not awful, but I don't think it compares to rdruid in overall healing output or utility, especially after nerfs to mass dispel and phase shift

[@dad.spielt]

But you recognized the dmg output or?

[@wideout7838]

@@dad.spielthealing is about healing output lol not damage output… besides holy priest does just as much damage and fist weaver does more

[@devonck195]

@@dad.spielt yeah... the damage output is nice but it really stands out in 2v2, which is why I don't think it deserves S tier on a solo shuffle tier list where most the time raw healing and utility will dictate the healer competition

[@dad.spielt]

@@devonck195 Yes this is valid

[@grantx6]

​@@devonck195in 2v2 it pisses me off bro. Literally can't swap to them. I was playing BM hunter sitting on healer all game and nothing... Literally used each offensive on him 3 separate times. healer is oom and no matter what I still can't get him below 40%... Then he does that fly up bs and hits me for 200k.. you can't get any LESS fun than losing a 1v1 to an oom healer 😐😐😐😐😐😐😐

[@keelanbaxter]

SkillCapped team, can you guys create a video on predictions for the upcoming Solo RBG playlist, please? Including tanks in the meta for them too.

[@aic20]

tanks - bear druid S the rest: C tier dps - ranged are #1 with maybe wars/dh/dk being decent melee

[@PwndersWoW]

That would be awesome

[@Ocsomj]

neat, been wiating for this. thanks guys

[@PoopSockJohnson]

Not sure if tier is worth on survival hunter yet, we dont use fury of the eagle ever. Idk if its worth changing build just for that

[@hidekisampa7252]

For someone who plays most part solo, pvp or pve, ret paladin or enhance shaman? (In ways to survive alone) really like both but it’s difficult.

[@Anakonda.1987]

What do you think, for a person who spends most of his time solo, dk unhoky or dh havoc will be a better choice? Which one has a higher survival rate?

[@judasblewit]

I would say dk would have more survival rate. I played my dh yesterday and they are fun and do a ton of damage. Haven't tried dk yet though. I'd say try both. It's super easy to honor gear right now.

[@FilipBrodersen]

when are you going to do a ROAD 2 GLAD Challenge again?

[@xibbas7055]

UH tier set is prob gonna be bad. Magus is omega stealth nerfed in PvP

[@gkdlswm]

To add to this, magnus in the talent caught the nerfs. UH 2 set tier does negligable damage, 4 piece is decent for a 5% damage increase.

[@mageman483]

MM hunter 4 piece got nerfed by 40%

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Posted an update in the comments

[@maxlgaudi8386]

As warlock main im hyped

[@domoariscotto7486]

Me too, can't wait to try the tier set. Hated the tier from last season...

[@ziggs123]

What minor damage buffs for shadow? Surge of insanity is now every 2 dps, that's a big nerf. PI got nerfed and MD got removed from the game. SP went from useless+MD in 10.1 to completely useless in 10.2 while on top of that everything else got buffed. Absolutely disgusting what they doing to this spec

[@shadowbanned3044]

Yet it pumps as much as a DH in solo shuffle lmao... (melee lobby btw)

[@ziggs123]

@@shadowbanned3044 maybe when the dh is playing with his feeds

[@wideout7838]

Imagine saying SP is useless last season when it was probably the single best spec in the game and littered the upper end of the ladder lol 😂

[@shadowbanned3044]

@@ziggs123It was Mvq on his stream today. You know, the same guy who is shown in this video :) He did 99k dps, the shadow priest did ~95k

[@ziggs123]

@@wideout7838 2 sps in total got r1 in eu, clueless NA players talking nonsense as usual

[@plasticbudgie]

Frost DK would be cool if you could death grip 3 targets.

[@manthe3711]

Reaper in GW2 feels like a better Frost DK than Frost DKS. In GW2, Reapers have 2 grips: one that launches a "wave" in front of your character and grips all target caught in its path, and a talent that grips all players nearby. You also have a finisher than works a bit like frost mages' Deep Freeze in WoW. If you love Frost DK but hate how bad it is in WoW, give GW2's Reaper a shot.

[@BranBronzebeard701]

Why would uou have to be able to grip 3? (You already can with abom limb anyways) Just gotta grip 2

[@plasticbudgie]

@@manthe3711 Sounds great, I'll check that out! Thank you for the recomendation.

[@BranBronzebeard701]

Life cocoon was not buffed, the pvp multipler was removed

[@Chr0me1989]

Yeah, with these melee lobbys spam on solo shuffle all caster are B, melee are S

[@paulrichter1846]

Augmentation is best S tier? really?

[@robna1168]

The affliction take is def off, they feel like the strongest for sure!

[@fuzzywuzzyqt9982]

I agree as well. The honor talent, Jinx, make its way easier to keep dots up along with applying curses. Combined with Sacrolash affliction talent is insane. The two piece and four piece for Affi lock is so strong being able to keep dots up. I can see them being too squishy, that being the issue, but they're a power house if you can play it correctly.

[@jel0995]

Enjoying aff so much. Guess i gotta learn destro though for solo shuffle

[@Altruistic-General]

If you can play aff well you will roll people on destro. Its hands down the best lock spec and frankly is absurdly op.

[@Vexxille]

Guess I gotta do the same. Can't do sh&t on destro outside of bgs. I like its aesthetics tho esp after I got the fel flames. Might try putting in some practice to see how it goes but I'm loving the new Jinx for affly

[@byrdfeathers3552]

No one else seems to think that?@@Altruistic-General

[@paradopx8618]

Idk man sometimes these lists are nonsense, 2100 mmr off season aff does a ton of dmg and every destro I’ve seen gets trained and destroyed

[@thatherton]

Aff feels better in shuffle than Destro to me right now.

[@samisuhonen9815]

I feel like demo will be insane up to a certain rating. But it will be worse than destro against really good opponents. Basically, even if the damage is no longer from tyrant, it is still 85% from the pets. The pets that have no CC protections or immunities at all. So essentially good opponents will mass root, fear, slow, ring of peace, ring of frost, blind, static totem, vanish/meld/feign death as soon as you spawn out the tyrant+obelisk to buff those pets and extend them. Meanwhile destruction will just spawn 3 portals instant cast, very hard to counterplay against. Lower mmr, like below 2500 you might have a really good time carrying games as demo though. If people let your pets have uptime, and you got insane toolkit to stop enemy offensive setups as well as line up cc with friendly offensive goes.

[@Altruistic-General]

Ya I think that’s a fair assessment. Demo and any pet spec is always at the mercy of how well people manage the pets vs the player. That said, demonbolt slaps hard. Still, I think destro is the stronger spec, but we’re splitting hairs.

[@juliantorres7688]

The DH darkness is wrong still, it’s 50% in PvP check blue post

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Thanks for noticing. Posting an update in the comments.

[@Overhealthy92]

why is the war with in so far away ? 1 year DF ? not with me ......

[@bertreynolds8146]

A small prayer for devastation

[@zaneshredz]

thought fury warrior was supposed to be HIM

[@Gavin5]

You didnt even talk about b or c teir for melee dps....

[@Hasiebk]

This is the voice I'm looking for 😅

[@hpsperre]

So weird to see them putting mistweaver at the bottom, so many others that put it high up

[@Death_0000]

I thought so too. I run MW right now and it's low key strong af.

[@aic20]

in BGs its by far the best healer but in solo shuff it can struggle sometimes with being easy to interrupt and if you get hard swapped too by things like sub rogues

[@Skz1337]

Last time I played prevoker was S tier, wth happened

[@riddle1080]

thanks

[@L_Jefe]

Skeptical that Affi is just B

[@Rethmaa]

Aracne mages are insane. Easy S tier. Played only 3 shuffles but all had arcane mage.

[@srk5587]

I'm suprirsed they didn't mention the gigantic nerfs that SPs got like the MD murder and the PI nerf along with Surge requiring 2 Devouring Plagues to proc insanity. Feels like they understated just how hard the spec was hit.

[@ziggs123]

Its not B tier, its unplayable tier.

[@shadowbanned3044]

@@ziggs123Why does it pump as much as a DH in solo shuffle then?

[@Destrave91]

​@@shadowbanned3044never. If you play in a melee lobby you can't do anything. Which is literally solo shuffle in a nutshell. Shadow is often kill target. You can't escape melees and if you dare to cast something you get interupted all the time.

[@shadowbanned3044]

@@Destrave91You don't need to tell me that. There is literally video evidence to that. Mvq had a shadowpriest in his solo shuffle, live on stream, before DH nerfs. I just find it fun how people blame ALWAYS the class but never themselves ;)

[@Destrave91]

@@shadowbanned3044 How about you play some casters and then come back here? It's just not fun to play one. I don't care about that one stream. Shadow can do lots of dmg for sure, but if you train one the dmg is literally halfed if not more. Besides you can't trust teammates in solo to get rid of 1 melee for you. There's a reason why it's infested with melees. But yeah cry about casters first.

[@shadowbanned3044]

Oof... someone sleeping on BM hunter.... I give you another 3-4 weeks to catch up.

[@brandoncruz5996]

You completely skipped enhance lol

[@tooie]

ive been trying to make frost DK work and it's just not viable. Playing it is very fun and the skills make me feel like a god. Until I get smacked by lvl 60 mages.

[@theo90907]

You know I'm tired of saying people are sleeping on fury, I'll just be laughing when I destroy you all on the ladder before you can blink.

[@ofgas4039]

Affliction and Frost mage has to change places. While Affliction received huge buffs, frost mage’s tier list got nerfed and it turned into a one trick spec with only glacial spike.

[@manthe3711]

Sad Castweaver main noises :(

[@shadowbanned3044]

MW is absolutely fine. No clue what they smoked. We only have a bit more mana issues, that's about it.

[@gkdlswm]

F to fDKs

[@FoxReviews]

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[@skillcappedwowpvp]

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[@NoName-nn8lj]

BM and DH is busted

[@NoName-nn8lj]

Balance druid is C tier like every season

[@shadowbanned3044]

TLDR: Everything S Tier Thank me later.

[@Mathias-vi3gf]

thing is most of this will be nerfed and A tier class will rise up! :))

[@edwardhatfield5360]

WTB Ret defesives that are both meanifully useful and cant be stolen/purged, and if it pleases the powers that be, maybe some un-nerfed pvp talents. A tierset that revolves around removeable dots and debuffs isnt working for pvp.

[@BranBronzebeard701]

Alright, you got them already There's a reason ret was nerfed so much

[@ajrowe5845]

Think we've gone down the hole lost with the use of the word "rework" lmao its officially meaningless now.

[@derrickhead]

im happy ret gonna start the season crappy because once the cry babies call out more we will get a deserved buff or changes

[@FeedinGG666]

*happydisconoices* 😎💪

[@leshaoverflow8539]

Healer tier full clown. Druid is the only tier S and will be dominating. Druid has always been and will always be the best pvp healer. Holy is still all around twice better than disc. Disc is the only healer to go oom in pvp at all. Monk is still good in monkeycleaves like TSG.

[@Snelly4040]

So many S tier classes lol

[@Ciprus25]

😊!i 9

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Nah

[@Anakonda.1987]

yeeeeaaaaa

[@AlxndrXX]

I hate ezreal please stop

[@fok8810]

healers don't need a 90 second trinket so cringe lol

[@timmyhartmann6188]

We need 3v3 Tier List. No one need solo shuffle pve noobshow

[@themadchadder4461]

Augmentation is NOT s tier, the data would back that up. In fact less Aug then Frost DK in rated 3's currently and also Aug represents the lowest played range. Simply put if it were S tier this wouldn't be the case. Lost my sub to this channel and your site because of this.

[@ufade2]

Feral s tier.... from capped to capin

[@roolsrojc1]

Monk fistweaver is tuer S+.....