Solving The Light Dragon's Paradox (Hyrule Warriors + Tears of the Kingdom)

[@ultimate_pleb]

I fine it hilarious that Nintendo acknowledged the timeline problem fixed the timeline problem only to then a few years later make the exact same mistake they just fixed!

[@StevenDX45]

So basically, Zelda turning into a dragon is a CANON EVENT

[@SkyLinkTheory]

IT COULD BE... "Across the Zeldaverse!" Lol

[@linkgamerzbrasil7382]

​@@SkyLinkTheory Basically Linked Universe lol

[@mrtree1368]

It's also a Gannon event

[@hellzonefirebrigade3056]

Tears of the Kingdom is Canon so ya, obviously

[@MarioMastar]

I think it's important to remember that everything up to the point of Zelda going to the past in the first place is when everything suddenly changed before the Hyrulian's eyes. The game begins with Zelda and LInk from BoTW trying to learn more about the Zonai which were mostly unheard of, but when they find Ganondorf who seems to know about LInk and Zelda, just at that point just before Ganondorf awakens, Zelda picks up the secret stone, sealing her fate to going back in time. at that very moment is likely when a massive time rift came, because Rauru wouldn't have known at all about Link and Zelda originally had Zelda not gone back in time to tell him about Link. So literally at the beginning of the game, just as Zelda grabs the secret stone, that's when the time line shifts from everything we knew up to that point, to a new timeline where Zonai ruins were activated and falling all over and thus many events would've happened slightly differently (just very slightly, as most of the blights are based on the Gloom). Link wakes up in the Sky temple having been saved presumably by Rauru and Mineru in some way. Other things of note is how the Sheikah wouldn've have needed to develop advanced technology because the Zonai technology was revealed to them so they spent thier life studying that instead in the new timeline. That's why almost all Sheikah tech was mostly abandoned or destroyed despite BoTW having happened mere years ago and no one seems to recall the 4 Guardians because again, the Sheikah tech wasn't necessary since the Zonai tech existed. As for why the Zonai tech didn't exist before but does now. It's all thanks to Mineru's promise to Zelda at the very last moment of her life. Up to the final moment, Mineru says to Zelda "What should we do?" and Zelda convinces her to have faith in Link. Given Mineru in modern day constantly says "I must atone for my sins" she seems extremely remorseful about allowing Zonai tech to get in the hands of evil and in the original timeline, likely "destroyed" all evidence of Zonai life she could. burned all books and destroyed all constructs so that only mere hints remained as ruins. It's only because of Zelda's promise that she decided to keep the constructs alive and reveal the Zonai tech until LInk would one day find them and she could pass on her soul and message to him as she ultimately did. Rauru also comments on how much the world has changed and alarm that the constructs are still serving to this day, but because he died before Mineru could really tell him her plan, he might not have been aware of Mineru's promise to Zelda. At the end she does say "I will return to my brother and Sonia" satisfied that she can face them again after doing her part in making the world peaceful and knowing Zonai tech is in good hands. However....all this kind of means that the Zelda dragon theory would be kind of false because that time split happened just before Zelda awakened Ganondorf. The robot wouldn't have has an impact on the Zelda dragon at all, but then, the Robot may not have existed at all because the new Zonai technology means the Sheikah wouldn't have had a need to build the tools to fend off the Calamity, they would instead rely on the Ancient hero to hold it back. So in a sense, Age of Calamity is "Canon" but exists in a continuity that technically no longer exists anymore because of Mineru allowing the Zonai technology to remain in anticipation of Link stopping Ganondorf once and for all. and as for why at that particular moment that Link is the chosen one.... well he would be the one who found Rauru's arm so Rauru could give it to him and thus the power of light. Through Rauru's hand, Mineru's construct could be sure that the correct Link indeed is there and she could guide him through the purah pad to the constuct factory to build a suit and help aid LInk in defeating Ganondorf. It seems it's really just sheer luck that Rauru sealed Ganondorf hoping his lock would hold him forever, or that "one day, a hero in the future will destroy what remains of his corpse" Only knowing LInk by name because Zelda told him but he could buy the descendents of Hyrule time.

[@globalwispin]

This is the exact point I was thinking, where the timeline splits at Zelda unlocking her time powers, and creating a new series of events where the calamity didn’t happen the same way with the divine beasts.

[@mrtree1368]

I think your forgetting that the events of the past were already recorded . The zoni ruins having dragon statues was cause of zelda along with the past events being shown in the images below hyrule castle that were always there not just cause zelda went back in time since we still saw those images even though some of it was blocked by rocks in a cave in

[@moonflower8525]

​@@mrtree1368yeah people don't realize that the visible murals depict ganondorf with a secret stone, but he got the stone because Zelda was there.

[@EliasTheV-tastic]

Love the theory but if an age of calamity 2 will exist two zeldas would have to exist in the past of totk.

[@novustalks7525]

​@@EliasTheV-tasticNot really

[@robertsmall5168]

Yeah Zelda becoming the Light Dragon was pretty much already destined even before the underground event. In a world of time-traveling and God-like power certain events like that were naturally decided And you’re right, ANYTHING can still happen after Point B once it follows up on Point A, and I very much doubt the Light Dragon and the Sword would just vanish if the AOC Zelda never had the same events as Main Zelda

[@Nukatha]

No matter what, one thing is for sure: Koei Tecmo made a more coherent follow-up story to BotW than Nintendo did with TotK.

[@rohanrodrigues7115]

Nah... age of calamity was inconsistent the moment that demo dropped

[@someoneelse5209]

@@rohanrodrigues7115 It's insane how completely not true that is. However "inconsistent" you think AOC is, TOTK is a 1000x worse. It's not even up for debate, it's blatant common sense. The Zelda team didn't even try with Tears in terms of continuity.

[@arrownaut]

You're kinda right. But AoC is literally like a Fanfiction

[@rohanrodrigues7115]

@someoneelse5209 oh please, totk literally has everything built up from botw and more. Aoc on the other hand literally destroys the canon set up by botw, not sure how that makes it any better

[@someoneelse5209]

@@rohanrodrigues7115 “Built up from Breath of the wild and more” Oh, you mean all that Shiekah technology from Breath of the wild that magically disappeared despite covering the entire land? The same technology that played the most important roll possible in the first game, but doesn’t even get mentioned, is utterly ignored, and is replaced entirely by the Zonai as if it never even existed? Oh, maybe you’re talking about all those character NPC’s that don’t remember link despite having a significant role in the last game. Maybe you’re talking about Calamity Ganon, how he doesn’t get a mention. Where’s Link’s house again? Is he living with Zelda or we going to be as vague as humanly possible about it and not explain it at all? If he is living there, are we going to pretend that it isn’t a little odd no one knows who he is in his own hometown and treats the Princess’s world-saving, loyal knight (who never leaves her side) as a total stranger? Including the mayor of that village? No mention of the champions? Like, at all? Hardly even a reference? Those handy-dandy divine beasts sure do like disappearing. Wonder why they didn’t “magically disappear” when they didn’t first defeated Calamity Ganon 10000 years prior, but decided to go away when an even bigger threat is lurking beneath the castle. Man if only there was a true sequel to BOTW that not only expanded and acknowledged the BOTW lore, but allowed for cool moments like actually PLAYING as those beasts. Nah, who am I kidding, that would just be fanfiction and “destroy” the prior canon, so let’s just pretend they never even existed instead. There, much better. I could literally go on and on. Like, I could write a novella on the amount moronic, Worldbuilding incompetency TOTK has compared to AOC. TOTK is the better game in general for sure, but AOC is the superior follow-up title by a thousand miles. It’s a better sequel, with an unironically somehow better, more consistent story. It’s hilarious to claim AOC “destroyed the canon”, likely just because AOC had a good ending despite it being way more committed to BOTW’s lore; when meanwhile, TOTK makes it a mission to literally destroy the prior canon and leave zero crumbs. Nonsense.

[@dashthehedgehog2612]

So I'm currently 4mins into the video and very much hoping this is going where I think it is. I've stated to a lot a friends that a sequel to AoC is very much possible because Calamity Ganon was never the real threat. Ganondorf himself is still sealed deep beneath Hyrule Castle, regardless of Terrako's intervention. He could still break free of the seal given enough time and shatter the Master Sword, and Zelda would need to be sent back, become the Light Dragon, and finally make her way to the present-day after the events of AoC. Really hope this is on point with what I had in mind. EDIT: IT VERY MUCH WAS ON POINT WITH WHAT I HAD IN MIND

[@novustalks7525]

Except ganondorf only broke free because of the castle being destroyed

[@dashthehedgehog2612]

@@novustalks7525 He actually breaks free because Rauru's seal finally loses its power. We know this is the case because Rauru himself also notes the arm seems to have lost its powers as well.

[@LunaP1]

I’m so glad you made this video. I was thinking “What If TotK Started Early (via AoC)?” and you just created this vision. Also, the whole paradox with two Zeldas existing in the same time reminded me of Skyward Sword.

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Awesome Video Bro! Happy Easter!

[@rockowlgamer631]

I've noticed the warrior games have more grandeur than what Nintendo were able to provide in Tears of the Kingdom. The only reason why I don't like the fact we get Zelda back in the end is because I don't feel like we did enough to warrant a full reversal of a draconification. If Zelda had kept some horns and maybe the tail it would've been better, ngl Zelda becoming basically a dragon princess would be dope, OR there is no cure and she's stuck as the light dragon.

[@ohtorii_]

"If Zelda had kept some horns and maybe the tail it would've been better" plus a pair of big boobs to represent her power and then we have Mr. Link's Dragon Princess

[@MarioMastar]

@@ohtorii_ Yeah, MY only gripe with Zelda turning back to human is If she TRULY is a blood descendent of the Zonai....why does she have NO Zonai features? I would've loved to see Zonai Zelda. The best we get is Ancient Hero's Aspect with Link, which is kind of funny but does remind me that his twilight spirit form is a wolf, and Hero's Aspect has distinctly wolf like feet despite the Zonai having human shaped feet. Alas. Mineru and Rauru are the last of their kind and so far removed from their species that Mineru has to dedicate her life to studying the Zonai so she can learn about thier technology, despite being one herself.

[@amandaslough125]

​@@MarioMastarYea that's one of the weirdest retcons that decided to implement.

[@AshePBlack]

That's easy, if Zelda is related to zonai she's still related to Sonia, she doesn't need to stay dragon and she still has hylia bloodline, what if female DNA is just stronger side in her

[@firionkaiser8291]

​@@MarioMastar I mean we're talking about at the very least a 50,000 year gap between TotK Rauru's era and TotK Zelda's era, her zonai features assuming that they even carry on to human hybrids would hardly exists by that point. It's possible even Sonia's kids took more after her than Rauru too.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

The thing about meeting Ganon Earlier cannot even happen Because the reason Ganondorf reawakened is that the Castle is damaged and not fixed while being guarded for 100 Years by Godlike War-Machines and keeping not a single soul near the Castle (you can find the inscription in the cave leading to Hyrule Castle which confirms this statement), Hyrule Castle not being fixed then causes the seal to weaken over the one century. Meaning his Awakening must be delayes far in the Future and Ganondorf's Miasma/Gloom would never leak

[@Slimeonian]

Well you could argue that Calamity Ganon in AoC is much stronger than Botw’s Calamity Ganon, thanks to It gaining power and Malice from the botw timeline. And thus Hyrule Castle could theoretically have been damaged a lot more during AoC, and lead to Ganondorf waking up earlier

[@tomdekler9280]

Keep in mind Zelda/Hylia was keeping a seal on the Calamity for those 100 years. If the castle is an extension of the seal on the Demon King, then maybe Zelda's seal on the Calamity inside said castle was enough to keep the Demon King from awakening. As Zelda is not performing this seal in AoC's version of events, that could also be a reason why the seal on the Demon King crumbled earlier.

[@novustalks7525]

​@@tomdekler9280it only fails because of the castle being destroyed

[@tomdekler9280]

@@novustalks7525 source?

[@chelwinters8732]

I have been BEGGING for a sequel to Age of Calamity with respect to Tears of the Kingdom, literally couldn't stop thinking about "okay, but they didn't beat Ganondorf in this timeline, so we need closure." I really like your video, I hope Nintendo and Koei Tecmo deliver, because it is far too great a story opportunity not to!

[@DarkAngelBluejay]

Except Nintendo has said that AoC was an alternate timeline. not part of the main BotW/TotK timeline. Gloom spreading might have nothing to do with the return of Calamity Ganon in BOTW. Or rather, the Calamity may just be a symptom of Raru's seal failing.

[@lasercraft32]

Interestingly enough, in Botw's timeline, Link got the Master Sword _before_ he became Zelda's appointed knight. Meanwhile in AoC's timeline he doesn't get the Master Sword until they all go to the Korok Forest to find it. In addition, in AoC Calamity Ganon actually returns _early_ because of the extra malice that formed Harbinger Ganon. So it would not be too farfetched for Ganondorf to awaken way earlier in the AoC timeline (since in Botw there's a full 100 year gap when Link was in the shrine of resurrection).

[@SkyLinkTheory]

Great point, thank you for that - that's absolutely right!

[@Luigifan305]

There's actually a potential explanation for the Master Sword thing, but it's a blink-and-you-miss-it detail from the Guardian of Rememberance DLC. Once Terrako and Harbinger arrive in the past, and Terrako gets buried under rubble at the coliseum, there's a fade to black, and in the following scene, not only is Terrako himself absolutely caked in a ridiculous amount of dust and grime, but even the rubble he was buried under is now covered in moss. Clearly, a lot more time passed between his arrival in the past and his meeting with Link than the game might lead you to believe, and if we consider this, it provides a reasonable explanation behind the Master Sword discrepancy. Namely, that Harbinger started subtly changing things in order to try and keep Link away from the Master Sword, possibly by making the forest more dangerous. The age at which he originally found the sword was 10 years old btw, which would mean that Terrako and Harbinger didn't just go back a few weeks or months, but 7 whole years! Coincidentally, if true this would mirror the circumstances that created the Child Timeline quite closely, which is neat to think about. Admittedly there is one hiccup with this theory though. First of all, even before Terrako gets buried, the soldiers know what a guardian is, but that's not actually impossible since it apparently took several years to excavate all of the Divine Beasts and other Sheikah Tech, so maybe the first Guardians had been found by now. The bigger issue is that we also see Impa in that mission, and she doesn't look any younger than how she does in the rest of the game, but again, that's not impossible. Not everyone changes dramatically in such a time, some people look near-identical at ages 17 and 24. (especially when it's just a game and nobody would want to make a whole new Impa model for a 5-minute appearance in a single DLC mission lol) Ultimately, these issues are so minor and easy enough to explain that they would be worth dealing with in order to prevent the Master Sword issue from becoming a genuine plot hole instead.

[@Envy_May]

​@@Luigifan305 i mean, there's a similar timeskip between botw and tears and link and zelda look the same in their early-to-mid-twenties as they did at 17 so

[@tomdekler9280]

@@Envy_May especially when you consider Hudson has a kid that is already running about and doing bilingual studies.

[@spillymcspillmore3426]

The idea of some divine fate or timeline inevitability made me think that Zelda becoming the light dragon could explain why the three timelines would ever merge back together. If Zelda underwent draconification before the timeline split in OoT (which I'm not 100% sold on, but its a possibility) then the light dragon would exist in all 3 branches of the timeline. In order to prevent a paradox each timeline would need to end up with a BOTW/TOTK series of events to explain Dragon-Zelda's presence.

[@TomastheHorrorfan]

I… LOVE THIS THEORY! If I learned anything from this (apart from well, all the Zelda stuff you talked about) it’s that looking into things deeper doesn’t necessarily need complicate things, it might even solve the problems! We should take a deeper look into stories like these even though we all know very well that Nintendo will just continue to make the story up on the spot when making the next Zelda game

[@shadowgamer-vq8fc]

I really never thought of this problem, and at some point while watching this video I was thinking of a another alternate point like the Zelda of age of calamity would have to die and sometime soon if age of calamity, master sword is entirely destroyed. Then maybe age of calamity link could get tears of the kingdom master sword, and Zelda through a similar process, at the very end of tears of the kingdom

[@therejectedbeatle]

Isn’t age of calamity a separate timeline from the events of botw’s timeline?

[@shadowgamer-vq8fc]

@@therejectedbeatle it is but I was just trying to add an alternative of what could happen to help with this problem of a paradox which would, of course have some massive story implications that would maybe confuse a lot of people as this alternative that I came up with would have tears of the kingdom, Zelda and Master sword, if age of calamity, Zelda died with age of calamity master sword being fully destroyed or it’s possible that something happened during the timeline split at breath of the wild that got the light dragon to die in the age of calamity timeline but who really knows the possible outcomes for this paradox fixing is way too complicated as there are so many possibilities

[@AshePBlack]

I thought Hyrule warriors in no interaction is cannon. And skyward sword was self contained. So either time can be as simple as having fixed points in history where as long as person is in them, all time can be reconciled. Or all fiction can handle time diff and that's that. I'm not seeing how Zelda has retcon or plot holes at all really. And it's up to people head cannon if Hyrule warriors counts or not, it's still fine if it's not

[@Jerotero]

Time travel is always super confusing I think it has to do with there being nothing to compare it to

[@mysticwolfentertainment]

it'd be really cool if the last scenario was a choose your own adventure type story, where, depending on the choices you made, paths would either become available or locked until your next playthrough. (which would mean a manual saving system would have to be in place with multiple save slots so you don't actually have to play the whole game again, you just choose the save with the choice in it.)

[@Gigi4u]

I have a theory about how terriko got the ability to timetravel. We know that Zelda has time and light powers which explains how she didn't age over the 100 years in BOTW. But what we also see is that she can somehow inpart some of her power in to people. Link is given her recall ability in TOTK by zelda's will. Terriko was built by zelda and maby she unintentionally imparted some of her power in to him. But like hers the time powers lied dormant till she activated her powers at fort Hatano, which explains the sudden flash of light in the tower when Terriko is activated. Terriko utilizes the time powers to travel back in time in a similar way to what zelda does and travel back in time to somewhere safe. But unlike zelda Terriko dose not create a time loop because he ultimately succeeds at stopping the calamity.

[@ChristinMilloy]

But what about the Tarako robot, wouldn't that be a paradox on its own unless things are allowed to come back from multiple possible futures? Like what if someone travels back in time from the Fallen timeline back to the time of Ocarina? Are we to say that's impossible, simply because that person doesn't exist in the other timelines, in the future?

[@FireFoxie1345]

There is Link from TP going into the temple of time during the Adult timeline.

[@omagoddd8246]

I think in this alternative timeline where Ganondorf awakens 100 years early, only Daruk and Mipha would become sages, as they're the ones related to Sidon and Yunobo, the descendants of the original sages. The other two new sages would have to be the parents or grandparents of Riju and Teba

[@NarutoSakura1]

The thing is, Sidon already exists in Age of Calamity, but is just a young child

[@omagoddd8246]

​@@NarutoSakura1thats why I said Mipha. Sidon is too young, even younger than Tulin in Totk.

[@lugiamastero13]

Wasn't Urbosa the grandmother of Riju? Considering they each have lightning abilities not found among other Gerudo not to mention Riju became chief early due to her mother's death, Urbosa is chief in the past and once she was gone her daughter had to have taken over...hmm on second thought maybe Urbosa is more so a great grandmother cuz there's no way he daughter would of given birth to Riju 70 years later

[@omagoddd8246]

@@lugiamastero13 I could've sworn they said something about her not being a direct descendant of Urbosa. I didn't think Urbosa had any descendants.

[@lugiamastero13]

@@omagoddd8246 did they? Shoot I don't even remember xD but yeah I gotta find that info somehow to confirm

[@blakerenimu9033]

Cool possibilities: - Link dual wielding TWO Master Swords - Half dragon, feral Zelda is playable * Or present Zelda using Light Dragon Zelda as a weapon - The new powers being weapons instead of "weak point exploiters" * Link has Ultrahand (think Layle from FFCC The Crystal Bearers but crazier) * Sonia has Recall * Either Mineru has Fuse (to upgrade her mecha midbattle) or Rauru has the Flail from AoC but better (that thing has in-built Fuse already) *... how do you weaponize Ascend lol????

[@cellsafemode]

the fun thing about time travel is how it's not possible to ever resolve paradoxes without either a. not being able to interact with the past b. creating a multiverse whenever you do interact with the past such that your new timeline can never rejoin the original one you went back in time from. any other option is not going to mesh with logic and you might as well be arguing about magic. i think Zelda games take a less realistic approach and so gloss over certain inconsistencies to tell a video game story that generally is aimed at kids.

[@AshePBlack]

That's not exactly true, sometimes Zelda has made a game it's own closed loop. I hate going back to skyward sword but here it is, when Zelda was taken into past by girahim if the villains had won Zelda wouldn't have existed to stop demons from winning in her time. But when they return to their rightful time, if Zelda is there at time she wakes up from crystal, maybe that's how time reconciled to a closed loop. If this is case as long as certain events don't change loop is closed and if breath and tears are so far in future timelines reconcil I'd love a story on the lost era

[@AshePBlack]

Actually it is possible if close time loop by being there at certain events. Skyward sword was a closed loop. What if timeline was closed because after heros beat demise and return to own time, Zelda was there back before was taken so time reconciled. If this is a thing all Zelda timelines could be reconciled at certain points. Multiple timelines therefore doesn't require multiverse. And if you cite marvel for why Zelda has multiverse I can cite cookie run for why don't need multiverse. Cookie run has multiple timelines managed by a time department. Time department reconciled time by basically taking multiple timelines and choosing events that are real history and yet weather they exist or not doesn't effect world. But short version is in relation to Zelda ss shows timelines can be a closed loop if people return to point they left

[@lowesgameing2003]

That title art is dope low key

[@Twin_cia]

If Zelda stayed as the light dragon then the bloodline of the royal family and hylia would end for good + the princess of destiny couldn’t reincarnate again

[@SkyLinkTheory]

But the theory is - the AOC Zelda would still be alive alongside the Light dragon! So it can continue!

[@AshePBlack]

That's only theory, nobody said if Hyrule warriors is cannon. Plus hylia doesn't reincarnate, each Zelda is just related to her. Only the first Zelda was hylia. But her blood prolly saved her from dragon issues. I'm still not seeing how Hyrule warriors must be cannon just to make story make sense as there are ways without it. Skyward sword proved pockets of time can be self contained. Like everybody says ss made 2 Zeldas, one Nintendo never said that and 2 after demise was beat Zelda went back to own time, what if her own body reconciled back to self?

[@Twin_cia]

@@SkyLinkTheory this isn’t related to the theory, I saw some people say they wished Zelda stayed as the light dragon so just wanted to point this out

[@thx4chrckingin]

​@@SkyLinkTheory But AOC exists in a different timeline. Saying it's OK for one Zelda to die because AOC Zelda is alive is like saying it's okay to kill a bunch of people in this world because they exist in another parallel timeline

[@MikePhantom]

@@SkyLinkTheory problem is...its not canon. its a fun distraction as a game even if it was done with closely working with nintendo. it simply is and will not be canon

[@danielalbright7925]

I love this , but two swords?

[@espinoth9913]

The thought of two Zeldas made me realize: We've seen that in Adventure of Link with the Zelda of the original game and Princess Zelda I. Then we got two Links in both Twilight Princess (Hero's Shade AKA Hero of Time) and A Link Between Worlds (The old man running the challenge gauntlet is heavily implied to be the Hero of Legend. It would be great to see the past and present Ganondorf to meet up as you propose, but if they didn't, I really do wonder if there will ever be a game where we see two incarnations of Demise's hatred at the same time. Personally I think FSA counts, but most people I've talked to don't think Vaati is related to the curse at all.

[@garylefebvre2456]

I covered this on my Facebook page; there’s quite-a-bit of butterfly effect shite that happens with the Legend of Zelda series.

[@Stevenuniversefan-n4f]

I would love to see a Zelda game where you actually time travel way back to skyward swords time and defeat demise and prevent his curse, which would change all the Zelda timelines completely. That would be pretty cool to be actually able to do something like that like for example, and enemy figures time, travel out and goes all the way back to the time where they kill the originalhero murdering the entire hero and princess timeline for good but you go back in time to stop that person will also taking care of demise’s curse

[@mrtree1368]

The only way to escape demis curse is not having link beat him even if another link beat him as you suggested the curse would still be on the heros spirit and still follow all links

[@chopseh]

The other possibility is that the split timeline flows in both directions, past and future. What if the timelines aren’t splitting off a single past, but bridge between parallel timelines. The parallel timeline could have a paradox free past.

[@queenofeverything4004]

Someone please hire you for the next HW

[@54651102]

There’s a part in AOC, when Zelda is at the spring of courage, where we get to see, besides Zonai stuff, some Sheikah technology in the same area, and Zelda focusing a lot on them, but not getting into the story so much, but still that same technology not being present in BOTW and TOTK. With no DLC for TOTK, I’ve lost hope os those 3 games being connected, as when you play them you can notice how at the beginning there’s a lot to explain but later on the game, it just get lazy.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

It's stated that Ganondorf breaking free happened mostly as a result of the seal weakening due to the state the castle was in. AOC prevents all of that, so it's possible he could remain sealed for a LOT longer.

[@mrtree1368]

Not really the final battlet of aoc could of easily of weakened the seal on Ganondorf under the castle . Even the castle was falling apart and link had to shield zelda from a large piece of the castle that broke off

[@SageKasuto]

Time travel is so messy. I wish Nintendo never messed with it.

[@Discretion234]

There are so many time travel games in Zelda tho. Skyward sword, the oracle games, Ocarina, Botw, Totk. Most worked just fine

[@SageKasuto]

@@Discretion234 You say that, but look at all the timeline issues! I have yet to find a player who is satisfied with Nintendo's published version of the 3 timelines.

[@Discretion234]

@@SageKasuto I think it was a smart decision. Like they could have just chosen not to say anything sure but the timeline split makes sense in my book. The Ocarina Fight was to important for it not to have major impact on the timelines. So I guess you found the first player that likes the time split ;)

[@noahnaugler7611]

oh you're gonna get me on the Zelda Timescope again

[@devonm042690]

If the branch of time from Age of Calamity continues past that game's end, wouldn't it be feasible that the Yiga would be folded back into the Sheikah rather than remaining its own clan, or at the very least become a branch of the Sheikah? Regardless of circumstance, the fact is that in that branch of time the Yiga betrayed their purpose and found themselves valued by the Hyrulean Royal Family again.

[@ithinkimathing4007]

The idea of ganondorf interacting with his future/past self to change his outcome is like pretty much what Sephiroth is doing in ff7remake trilogy right now lol

[@TheDevastator619]

If this holds true, I’ll be glad we’ll getting a new AoC game.

[@Joe-ik1ph]

It's possible that the timeline splits at Point B rather than Point D. Instead of Zelda from TotK appearing, something different happens. Either Zelda from AoC , a Zelda from farther into the future, or maybe no Zelda appears. This creates a timeline that's similar to BotW/TotK, but it can have a few differences. We actually see some of these differences in AoC. In BotW, Link draws the Master Sword before the Champions are chosen, but the reverse happens in AoC. This can also explain how Master Kohga is alive during AoC. The Point B timeline split caused Kohga to be born 100 years early. I don't really believe that he is somehow didn't age over 100 years.

[@stuffz1757]

Hyrule Castle would never be fully destroyed or sit to rot in the AoC timeline and thus Ganondorf would never overwhelm Raurus body and never wake up.

[@inayatafzal182]

nice logo

[@linkgamerzbrasil7382]

I kinda fixed this a month ago in my mind, with TotK actually happening with a descendant of Zelda and the new hero.

[@linkgamerzbrasil7382]

Which is actually possibility 1, lol Also woahhhhhhh possibility 3

[@kit76149]

It is very obviously botw Link and Zelda just slightly older

[@carolinian2009]

Ok, if you like this kind of paradox in a story, done very well, play Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward.

[@Voltatrix]

After the unification of the timelines destroyed their hyrules in the process Making the hyrule seen in the memories more wilder.

[@omeganaito8056]

can link be able to send items to zelda timeline besides the broken master sword that time altar looks spacious for a sword.

[@TenguDaiCardinal]

So I'm thinking here with the master Sword shattering doesnt that mean Demise's Consciousness is free?

[@Brandon-jf9cv]

I know I’m late, but this does not work. Ganondorf would never wake up in the age of calamity timeline. The reason he was able to break the bind on his heart is because the calamity destroyed the castle. The castle was helping the seal and making sure no one disturbed the it. as we can see in the final moments of the imprisoning war Raruu was below Ganondorf and his back was only slightly arched. But in the opening of tears Ganondorf is bent almost 90° with Raruus hand above him, if it wasn’t for the calamity, destroying the castle 100 years before he could have kept him there forever and maybe even won

[@urjent]

1 thing, I'm pretty sure you said that Sonia would go to the future. Would she not have died to Ganondorf?

[@diegooazarado3411]

9:56 It wouldn't be the first time they did that #team2zeldas

[@LunaBalloona369]

i think that, to have a similar name with the age of calamity, "age of imprisoning" would be a good name (like the imprisoning war) OR "the paradox of light"

[@witherslayer8673]

remember, each calamity is 10,000 years apart, and many calamitys happened, so maby a bilion years ago?

[@Kralamelo]

(attention: original text in Spanish) SkywardSword splits into 2 branches The temporal branch of the triforce (minish cap) And the temporary branch of the Zonan, (where Hylian Rauru is never born): 1-ANCIENT CALAMITY (Zonan hero without blood of gods or royalty vs "malice" of unknown name and war of the fallen of the underground, after this battle the Zonan hero places a sacred sword in a stone and sends it to the future so that has more strength when it must be used again, the inhabitants of those lands begin to call the group of different towns: Hyrule) 2-AGE OF FORGOTTEN -> Ganon-Dorf [Powerful-Man in Gerudo?] is born, capable of channeling magic and is sealed in the war of banishment, the white dragon hides, the underground is closed, the story of the founders and the Zonan is popularly erased to the Hylians, carried secretly by the wise men and the younger brother of Princess Sonnia against the Yiga saboteurs who had some Zonan knowledge, that is why the bearers of the stones decided to raise the ruins. They zone higher than normal... (A big-hearted Hylian "Voe" appears and helps the 7 gerudo against a threat, preventing their extinction... yet it is unknown history falls hidden buried and anti shiok policies they remained forever in their culture) 3-NEW CALAMITY (during the next 10,000 years of a supposed peace, the sheikah continually manufactured advanced technology and the master sword magically appears in the kolog forest, becoming 2 at the same time... The sheikah discover that the name of that ancient Malice of the cataclysm is called Ganon, adding him to the mural of the premonitory legend, together with the poorly drawn hero Zonan and blindly trusting the manipulable guardians... "Finally, according to Aonuma, the most distant era of the saga arrives"... A boy named Link is born and after 17 years Princess Zelda cites a ritual of prophecies about possible parallel pasts that never occurred referring to time, twilight and ocean... then a disaster would happen that would put Link to sleep in a lethargy of about 100 years. ) 4-GANON BOTW (ganon is quickly defeated along with the potential of the 4 beasts and the master sword... the crimson moons disappear and the yiga hide digging underground... after the unexpected arrest of Vah Ruta, in the next 5 years, the modern sheikah decided to destroy the knowledge of the shrines, destroy the guardians and replace the towers, to prevent them from turning against them again) 5-GANONDORF AWAKENS -> the surface weapons deteriorate, the white dragon is released from below or above and some drawings appear on the ground... the underground opens along with some ruins and the celestial islands fall to a height normal and some strange rocks will be generated on the ground "the sanctuaries zone" that will open a portal to the past to the era of the founding of Hyrule, including second floor sanctuaries, which do not have roots... false Zelda appear, being the yiga women who met Zelda dressed as a Hylian and Ganondorf's elemental heralds who met Zelda dressed as a zonan... 5 minutes later the first crimson moon in years would occur) 6-A NEW CRIMSON MOON (the corrupted golem of the castle abyss, created by Ganondorf, generates the ancient warrior golems, capable of appearing in celestial structures, sacred structures and also capable of destroying any organism, including the evil one... the royal griok of evil aura, spreads its power beyond, the now yes, open underground and is capable of generating real dragons and dragons of different elements that will travel to the surface and to the sky... some monsters excavate caves on the surface releasing the likelike and horroblin, breaking the calm by satoly... the temple of thunder emerges from the invisible thick earth and the visible fine sand, it generates a power around it allowing the gibdo to stop being fossilized and emerge from below the surrounding sand if not there are hives... Days later Link wakes up on some islands in the sky)

[@mobgabriel1767]

imagine link dual wielding master swords

[@TsukiNohime16]

Not a paradox: as I see it the HW:AoC timeline would have a point where that Zelda would go down to the “basement” as it were. Just where, and when, who knows.

[@davemarx7856]

TWO SWORDS

[@mobgabriel1767]

DUAL WIELDING MASTER SWORDS!!!

[@ensuena5461]

thank you

[@IAm-a_zeldafan]

Too much for my brain timeline splits hurt

[@itsJoshW]

There's only one problem. You created the paradox. The paradox didn't exist otherwise. If there's another Hyrule Warriors, it wouldn't relate at all to what you're insinuating. 1) First, the events of the future would be required to occur for Zelda to go back to time. 2) If the events of the future do not occur, and Zelda does not go back in time, at this point where it's decided a "Timeline" split would occur -- This is the whole "Schrödinger's cat" situation. This assumed sequel to Hyrule Warriors would exist in an entire alternate timeline, much as they already do now. 3) In order for your entirely irrational theory to exist (you should learn more about space time), Age of Calamity would be the Prequel to Tears of The Kingdom, not Breath of The Wild (Which doesn't exist in this Universe). 4) You essentially took fixed points in a timeline, and assumed they all would exist, despite the fixed points generating entirely new timelines. But good try. I stuck around till the end at least.

[@TheRealVyke]

Huh neat

[@TheZeroDav]

time works like a and gate that will happen even if you remove point a

[@TheZeroDav]

oh dont Forget the dragon brake witch ends the 1st 3 time line but this time line is 7 time lines 2 are the Dragon-Dox

[@myleswelnetz6700]

When Zelda forfeited her right to exist.

[@digisplosion]

In this situation i point to homestuck which deals with time loops and time travel that prevents thsoe loops beginning. Those timelines can exist due to free will but they become doomed timelines. AoC becomes a doomed timeline

[@RinAkurei]

So... i accidently played TOTK first, then played BOTW. to me, the timeline makes perfect sense; in that order.

[@mrtree1368]

Except the part where calamity wouldn't exist if Ganondorf was beaten in the last game

[@Mari_Izu]

Please, not more pseudo-sequel Hyrule Warriors, want a proper Hyrule Warriors 2 instead xD

[@SilentVinyl]

More zelda warriors games would be perfect

[@chaossin7425]

Second timeline just dupes the first timeline's Light Dragon. Cause it's a split, not an overwrite.

[@daniebello]

what if Hyrule Warriors Zelda goes back in time but instead of going to the time of Rauru & Sonia, she’s the Zelda who helped defeat calamity Gannon 10,000 years in the past with the ancient hero??? because since Hyrule Warriors Zelda and tears of the kingdom Zelda share the same distant past. If they both time traveled back to the time of Rauru and Sonia there would be two Zelda’s there. if Hyrule warriors Zelda time travels to the time of the calamity 10,000 years in the past, that would still be a canon event to both timelines since it is shared. there may be secrets in the tears of the kingdom timeline they never knew to look for but link from the Hyrule Warriors timeline may know what to look for in terms of clues left behind from Zelda, who traveled to the great calamity 10k years ago and she found a way to defeat Ganon in her Hyrule warriors future.

[@monaeblackeaglequeen8974]

I love Hyrule warriors

[@mrtree1368]

Age of calamity timeline would of still experienced totk the only difference is it would of happened 100 years earlier and with the original champions

[@zephon6745]

Zelda the light dragon, Onox the dark dragon. Zelda is a human that became a dragon then a human again. Onox is a dragon that became a human then a dragon again.

[@PoliteTia]

So, this Zelda existed be for she was born?

[@novustalks7525]

It's not a paradox. When she went through the cloud she emerged in the present day

[@Jack-h9j3r]

If there are 2 light dragons what if they revive the wrong one, and discover the other timeline, then they would have the wrong zelda who knows nothing of their timeline.

[@tsemiu]

Being involved in the story means nothing canonically. Just means they probably gave them a notebook with drawings and story notes. Maybe coding for their models so they didnt have to start from scratch. Aoc is so easily noncanon. Teriko went into the past and link doesnt have the mastersword. The the present he cane from, Link got the mastersword at a very young age and known as the choosen hero long before when teriko would have arrived. Its just a fun zelda themed hack n slash game. Just like hyrule warrior 1

[@syedz7]

No a portal opens up in the sky and Ms Marvel saves the day.😂😂Lol - I mean Mario 😂😂😂😂

[@13cloudstrife13]

I liked the video but I just hate the age of calamity story so much :'' in my mind it never happened just BotW and TotK

[@AshePBlack]

Zelda being dragon was cannon and barring fan theory I thought Hyrule warriors isn't cannon. I don't know because I know Nintendo doesn't always explain stuff. But also Nintendo not that hard to follow timeline without games, granted I just want filler cuz like more lore

[@eugenelemon8621]

?????????

[@GustavoOchoa-MaNuEl_Bqto]

the thing is that nintendo oficially said that HW AoC wasnt a canon to the story... wich i dont beleave... i think your theories makes sense in some way, but in regards of my opinions, i wanna dissagree with nintendo... i say that HW AoC WAS a canon story for TLoZ BoW and ToK.... great video, i did like it...

[@josevel27]

Nintendo never said that....

[@RALSEIDAGAMERRRRR]

Bro age of calamity is not a canon game

[@kit76149]

Don't bother, none of the simps for that game will ever listen

[@jacqueenofthenight]

I care not for the term "canon" when multiple timelines exist. Mostly bc it's Canon in it's own timeline. I understand why people use it to delineate from alternate timelines, but I have the same beef with dragon Ball and all it's "non-canon" stuff. The multiverse IS canon in both of these series.

[@Diogo_7237]

None of the Hyrule Warriors are canon and will never be canon, making a new one showing Ganondorf and the imprisoning war is an awful idea the story is already bad as it is please don't try to make it worse,let Nintendo get over it and make a new game.

[@josevel27]

Just because you say it isn't cannon doesn't mean it isn't Nintendo literally help make the game story. How about you get over that other people feel like it cannon since there is no evidence that it isn't beside I say so.

[@Diogo_7237]

@@josevel27 Please if you don't know what you're talking about don't comment you're embarassing yourself I'm not the one who said it's not canon NINTENDO ITSELF said it, the devs that made the game said thousands of times it's not canon and will never be and you would know that if you were really a follower of Zelda games and news. Try doing some research before embarassing yourself please. Just because some content creator ''feel like'' it's canon it doesn't mean it is. There is no evidence for people uninformed like you, educate yourself.

[@josevel27]

@MLink723 wrong the only one that doesn't know what they are about and is embarrassing theirself is you. Nintendo or the developers never said hw aoc wasn't canon. Stop lying if they did fucking source me right now

[@josevel27]

The only one embarrassing theirself is you. Nintendo or thier developer never said hw aoc wasn't canon, you're full of shit. If they did source me now. The only thing they ever said was the opposite, which was that the zelda team worked close with koei tecmo to make this game story.

[@josevel27]

@MLink723 Wrong the only one embarrassing theirself is you. Koei Tecmo literally said Nintendo helped KT make this game story. And nintendo never said it wasn't cannon your straight up lying. If they did prove it and source me. Saying do some research if the funniest thing you could had said since you clearly didn't.

[@cynthiablackthorn]

possibility 3 idea- If they went with possibility 3, the could possibly do something with time shifting where you switch between eras in a common battle site opening new paths in the present and new collectibles or wepons

[@stylin4905]

yes this sound about right i concur 100% ive only played zelda 3