Solving the problem with dissapointing games

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[@riloegaming]

That video I mention is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHLTpaKjl7uYhaMsi=pQEN-ntFgFD2Z5KE if you haven’t seen it! This is a special time for gaming. Much is in flux. Thanks for being watching and being part of it all with me!

[@ezurth]

funny enough my tactic is just living under a rock and not hearing anything about any game till after its released and people are talking about their experiences.

[@moshymosh]

Smart. Let others playtest it first

[@l.3626]

me hearing in 2021 first about Tarkov

[@dositejjovicic8596]

Hey, did you know Minecraft 2 is coming out this year?

[@MrFrankenstine]

Or just being broke enough to not buy all the games you want. I like verifying the quality of the product I'm spending my money on.

[@l.3626]

@@dositejjovicic8596 wut

[@antonioguzman2790]

It's ironic that this video came out only 3 weeks before Tarkov's "big day"

[@CurtisSmal]

how the hell you don't have way more subs is mind boggling, this was so well put together, hats off to you sir.

[@riloegaming]

Very new to this, but I appreciate it!

[@CurtisSmal]

@@riloegaming well you have a knack for it that's for sure, you're going places brother.

[@LeChoisi101]

​@@riloegaming you rock!

[@fenrock_1727]

I think if you use elements to market your game, like in Cyberpunk 2077, and don't add them. It may not be a full blown scam, but it is incredibly scammy. Some of those things may not be the whole reason you bought the game, but all the little things not added in adds up to a bigger scam like picture. Love, your content Riloe! Always great production value, and logical inferences in them :)

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

but often we don't know *why* the elements were not added into the game, unless we dig deeper. Maybe it was technically impossible to do so (it might have worked in the high end machines, but it didn't scale to consumer level). Maybe it was not as fun as it appeared to be ... (if 'fun' was predictable we would not have as much trial & error) Or maybe ... they ran out of time and had to ship what they had (even Hideo Kojima had to acknowledge that ... ) And sometimes we get lucky when even though the initial release was imperfect ... the team manages to convince management that it is worth the resources to finish the things that got cut. No Man's Sky ... major updates post release with a load of added content. Cyberpunk 2077 got a major mechanics overhaul after launch, which changes how the game is played. Yes, a lot of the stuff that got added/updated would have been nice to have at launch, but we got it in the end.

[@Demmon98]

Nice video Riloe. It made me think of Skull and Bones a little as well. Its not a scam, but it just ended up becoming something that no one wanted. I think some people are too often connecting "Scam" to "Flop."

[@riloegaming]

True!

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

Basic pattern recognition should be enough for 90% of scam scenarios. Unfortunately, shaking a shiny toy in front of gamers is all that's necessary to secure their money.

[@moshymosh]

I love the art style for your thumbnails and editing.

[@riloegaming]

Ty!

[@FirstCrimson]

nice Another banger video from Riloe, I love the steps you illustrated, viewers of marketing material should always pause and think about the ‘gameplay’ they’re seeing and ask critical questions. Cheers!

[@artg556]

I have to say it's amazing how many people pre-order these "games".A company that has never made any other game arrives, announces a "big project", launches several trailers and teasers with incredible graphics and animations and BOOM, everyone is already going to the store .I would even understand if it was something like cyberpunk2077 where an already known and respected company announces the game, but we are talking about a company that came up "out of nowhere" and never announced or created any other Game(Not that new companies can't create incredible games, in recent years we've seen several new studios, mainly independent ones, launching quality products.)

[@wheredookie]

Depends entirely on how one defines scam, which could be pretty broad. I'd argue The Day Before is the most blatant example as an asset-flip scam, but I'd also label games like Star Citizen and Escape From Tarkov as being a more drawn-out, perpetual early-access-as-a-service scam-and I think that's what I fear GZW will be, and why I have zero expectations for it. (great edit and pace to your vid essays btw, very compelling as a visual experience)

[@EvilAnomaly]

Interesting take but I don't see it. TDB was a scam as a scam can get that only Steam prevented from succeeding. I don't see the "perpetual early access as a service" being a scam. IF either of those games were barebones and using "we're in early access" as an excuse then YES. But both those games easily match with full release titles so I don't see the scam in them. Sure they're taking forever and not announcing themselves as full releases but I'm not seeing the scam in that. Rather or not someone likes that is one thing but there's no scam involved in it. I've easily gotten my $45 out of SC more than full release games that I've paid $60 on, same with EFT. Not sure why you see GZW as having that potential.

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

Star Citizen is not a scam. It's a developer who doesn't know when to say "no". It's the software equivalent of "one more turn" As much as artists hate the bean counters ... they need someone looking over their shoulder to say "enough / ship it". Same thing happened with DayZ, Team Fortress 2 (anyone old enough to remember the development hell of that game ?), Duke Nukem Forever. If we're lucky the game gets shipped and it's fun. If we're not so lucky the game is simply not as fun as we thought it would be and competing companies produced something a little lighter but still more finished (Elite Dangerous vs Star Citizen ... ).

[@elibrown6796]

Yo this is some of the best editing on yt, all the satisfying keyboard noises, the music, your voice, and the text on screen is just better than anything else ive seen in a while

[@bzrprod]

I've never seen a well put video ever on KZbin as one like this. The editing and the pace of the script is so intriguing. Hats off to you and your editor!

[@taderdinedillon2509]

Love your work man, you'll get 100k in no time

[@nuttyak2taps]

Very good video, I've been saying this for a while in that games have taken a significant decrease in quality for the sake of making short term profits, dumping the project, then moving onto the next. A game I was very excited for called TWD: Saints and Sinners Retribution suffered this exact problem, the trailers showed numerous "gameplay" shots that never existed in the actual game. Explosions in the background, very large groups of zombies, open world exploration, none of it stuck to the final product. Though I see it as a blessing in disguise, as all the indie developers can finally have a legitimate spotlight when they make something incredible. (And also a great reason to get into game development now)

[@jollyjumper1767]

Well presented video as always, your doing great work. No matter what topic or game you tackle the quality of these videos always draws me in and keeps me glued on the screen.

[@sloshyio1]

Love your content man! informative and in depth 😮‍💨👌🏾

[@MysticHavin]

hey not sure if anyone else has said this, but i really enjoy your editing style. you've inspired me a lot to take some of it and incorporate it into my editing as well (your text editing is flawless)

[@cpt-cheese3489]

Amazing video, you’re style of editing is really cool

[@o.colpus]

Your videos are art. Awesome take. Outstanding job. Keep it up!

[@notjaysig]

Nice 😎 Another riloe banger for the books. Seriously an underated extremely good creator. I tell all my gaming buddies ab your videos :))

[@wrenalger7800]

Just watched the forever winter video, you make great content! So glad I found your channel

[@CaidicusProductions]

I'm both excited and terrified at the possibility of you doing a video on Star Citizen. I hope you try it and it's fantastic. But, I can also relate to anyone who laments the terrible experience they had with the plethora of bugs at hand. :D Anyway, I'm a new subscriber, your content is wonderfully done. I'm looking forward to the future presentations you put out, and see your channel growing quite large. Thank you.

[@yansuke]

I tend to follow a similar round of steps when it comes to a new game. I haven't been disappointed in a game for a very long time; having gone through many for so long it became easy to see exactly as you mentioned. All too often I'd wonder how so many people couldn't see what was so clear to me, but I've noticed it also comes down to people adding what they want in their minds to the games being marketed. Disseminating the information actually given by the developers rather than projecting what we believe or want can provide enough on its own to avoid a lot of disappointment. Sure, there can be incredibly dishonest people out there that can make even a discerning individual not see through the smoke, and one person's idea of what's scummy or worth their money can differ to another's, but most often if you remove a lot of the noise and just focus on the hard details, you can see closest to the truth and avoid being deceived. Without going to any specific examples, I've seen with multiple games that people get upset over that they expected something that was explicitly not said or even was described by developers in a different way than what was expected, so while I was enjoying these games people were losing it. That being said, it can't be expected that people should have to comb over everything all the time, but the purpose of marketing is to get you to buy the product. Be it by making something look like more than it is or by just shoving it in your face enough that you cave in. I feel like your video is a good start for people that need guidance to look past the marketing, but the fact it's needed at all just sucks.

[@riloegaming]

You’re on it! The thing about people being disappointed by things the devs never actually promised/mentioned is right on the money.

[@spott08]

Your editing in your vids are always top tier. Ty for another banger

[@ThatAverageGamer0]

what a BANGER of a video, love the editing

[@ash2841]

Dude you are gonna be the next big thing! Keep up the vids!!! ❤️

[@tytusel]

love your vids, they are always top quality... they are just soo nice :)

[@Ice-bh1fd]

Very well put togther. Thanks for the great break down.

[@patricecoffee]

super interesting video and presentation! Really enjoyed it thanks! :)

[@noone-mz1cd]

still waiting for the tarkov lore video

[@riloegaming]

It will come, but be patient 😉

[@poptart4098]

Another Riloe video, another quality, informative, professionally done piece of content❤

[@ctbans]

The one that bothers me the most was No mans sky. Looking at it now it’s easily a gem but to think If they had more time to cook up the game they might’ve avoided shooting themselves in the foot and ruining a lot of trust the devs had. Even to this day they’re shipping updates and it feels like they’re still trying to make up for the disastrous launch. Props out to them for weathering out the hate and putting their money where their mouth is.

[@SCP_with_a_stolen_phone_hehe]

I only really stopped being skeptical when I saw people playing it and actually doing a mission. But now I'm pretty hyped

[@riloegaming]

I won’t lie; until the very moment I was riding the LittleBird itself I had tiny fear in back of my head that it was all fake 😅 but yeah, it’s legit.

[@RhotoActual]

Really great video, man!

[@12stepsbeyondtheeventhorizon]

I wish more people put as much effort in their videos as you do. Thank you.

[@Aimz_Cash]

Riloe has stepped up his content massively!

[@crappytoast2441]

And here we are now, gray zone warfare turns out to be really, really, really garbage upon early access release. Maybe it turns out to ever be good, but the game is more like a gamble than a good purchase.

[@krovvy]

9:24 While I think you're warranted in your beliefs due to your research.. and I too want to believe in a project like Grey Zone.. I just want to point out that the same couldn't been said for a number of other games that fall waste to the scam catagory with the use of industry legends/leaders. Some MMO's and a handful of kickstart esq games using established names to sell us short is still a thing, so to that notion; research well. I don't mean to think the intention was the scam, but often the ambition which falls on another of your points.

[@Simon-et4hu]

Very nice take! I think being an intentional consumer is really the best medicine on an individual level 🤟🏼

[@RickRate]

bro what editing software u use?

[@THX-1138]

The timing on this is insane

[@lb47ghost]

this channel is criminally under-rated

[@johnwicks4936]

This is why I follow devs like the one from Road to Vostok. You get to play each demo as the game progresses. Most hopeful game I have on my wishlist.

[@riloegaming]

Antti is crazy. Gonna be checking out the new demo very soon!

[@johnwicks4936]

@@riloegaming Tried it earlier. Looks and runs amazing.

[@FireVols]

Sadly gzw is a game i fell in love with from the start but now that they only seem to want streamers playing it i am very paranoid about it. When a dev co is afraid of normal people playing something thats when i get worried. It keep the great videos coming! Good work!

[@russianfederation4160]

Your channels feels like a 700,000k channel, that releases once two months. The quality is NICE

[@ColdHawk]

I have a list for discerning scam games, disappointing games, misleading advertising about games, and games that aren’t ready for the public: 1. NEVER buy a game before or at release, just wait for a month or two after its debut. That’s it.

[@cmdrFRANKLY_]

in my humble opinion, this editing style is FREAKING AWESOME

[@Pyerite_steeltoots]

Mate, your videos are always spectacular. You deserve much more credit than you're given. Thanks!

[@riloegaming]

Cheers thank you!

[@unintentionallystupid2320]

Nice, Another classic from Yaploegaming.

[@johnhighway7399]

That RB6 Siege footage at the start killed me. From worthy SWAT 4 successor, to cringe wannabe esports.

[@Septicshites]

Well to be fair swat was cancelled for a reason 😂

[@Austrveg]

rb6 could have been both, they just decided to go the money route of vibrant skins for kids and operators using magic

[@rexthewolf3149]

@@Austrvegand you answered the question of why they did that in your statement.

[@Austrveg]

@@rexthewolf3149 Yeah, because appealing to children is economically good. But they ruined their reputation and when the craze slows down they will have nothing.

[@rexthewolf3149]

@@Austrveg just like how swat is dead despite sticking to its guns.

[@mingali]

I have a question riloe, did the devs say how many guns they were planning to add to gzw?

[@matthewdaugherty8639]

Directions unclear, now incorrectly leaving comment with my current situation of having my finger stuck in a toaster. "Nice" Another great video as always Riloe, love the work man!

[@xdgamer5394]

every video you make is a masterpiece...

[@TheFaiLM4N]

I think any 3rd source companies should also carry the responsibility of scamming. For example IGN in case of The Day Before, but somehow none of these companies are getting no harm.

[@niam.]

always great thumbnails

[@caramelgrace2156]

"You're probably REALLY sick of hearing about it." *me, a console player who has literally never heard about it*: what

[@frazen7026]

Riloe for 15 mins saying that grey zone is not a scam

[@WhiteVipor]

I feel like it’s been a longgggg time since a good game has come out that hasn’t died pretty fast

[@iann6999]

unfortunately the milsim community as a whole just has unrealistic expectations because the venn diagram of realism and fun to play doesn't have enough overlap

[@TactiGamer]

Well done Riloe as always

[@MisterKrakens]

So you just made me realize that Gray Zone has a strongest like with STALKER (With the whole roadside Picnic stuff) than Tarkov itself ? I wasn't expecting that.

[@lawterian]

It took me a month since Helldivers 2 release to give into the FOMO because there is no pay to win, it unites gamers and isn’t a fake game. I like to hold off until I see that it’s not a game that’s dropped in 2 weeks

[@riloegaming]

Waiting a bit to make sure you actually want to spend money on a game is always a good plan

[@SirMatthew]

I think step one would be to STOP FUCKING BUYING THEM

[@andresmdp95]

I feel proud to have pre ordered helldivers 2. I chose so well.😊

[@Alkatraz2135]

So, I’m curious, Riloe, could games (like The Day Before) have lawsuits against them for false advertising? They gave us an idea of what it would be like, and by the time it released, it was nothing close to that idea. Thousands of ppl bought it either in hopes it was real or to expose it being an actual money grab scam. I’ll be honest, I was looking forward to it for over a year. I love the post apocalyptic genre. I was and grew increasingly skeptical of the game, but I tried to keep hopes up it might be real. In the end, I never bought it (a hardcore zombie game enjoyer) and watched streamers fork over $40 to show audiences that it indeed was fake all along.

[@riloegaming]

I think there have been many calls for lawsuits against the Day Before but I don’t think anything has gone through. There was a class-action lawsuit against Cyberpunk 2077

[@dennisparmana1942]

Remember, no pre orders.

[@ArABiaN_UKnoWn]

The kind that you can reach out and ✨touch✨ 💅🏻

[@stephen2282]

at this point if Mad finger isn't paying you, they should be...🤣🤣

[@lore5563]

i was literally just thinking about that fear get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my h

[@LeChoisi101]

Also, if we educate ourselves enough, that'll reduce the number of scams

[@tropicalfruit4571]

That's pretty fine for these games that appear out of nowhere, but how do we educate people on AAA scam games? Not only do you need to know how game engines work (even just as a consumer), but you also need to get burnt like 2-3 times to know the non-obvious red flags. My issue for the longest time was thinking that the companies that have made good games in the past, their most recent games are good, and they're not soulless like EA or Ubisoft, they can't make a shit and unfinished game, right? RIGHT?! Well, while these games are not scams, they're... cash grabs? Games just don't come out finished anymore, and many of them don't ever get finished. They collect the money because of the franchise name, do bare minimum to call it a game, and they make a new quadruple A game that nobody wants to play.

[@riloegaming]

Honestly for AAA it’s simple. Never pre-order. Never buy a game until it’s been released, and reviewed. Content creators NEED to buy games the second they come out, but normal people really don’t.

[@iamveith3128]

Great video!!

[@TomLehockySVK]

Just have realistic expectations ! Hype is garbage. I cannot be hyped for 12 years and I'm happier.

[@remidimeston]

I've watched a couple of your videos. I think I'll subscribe. But one piece of itty-bitty constructive criticism I wanna provide to you is to please reduce your digression. Otherwise, I really appreciate you shedding light on topics such as the ones you have in your videos.

[@riloegaming]

My ADHD brain could never. But I appreciate the feedback! 😄

[@remidimeston]

@@riloegaming my autistic brain is fried from each video but i still can send love to ya

[@Silix315]

i fell like in the future game dev will go more in die indi consumer near direktion because there will be tech so that small teams can create AA games i'm excited for that because we will have lessgames like bsw. cyberpunk and bad cod´s (people pleaser)eating all the money so we can finally get back our good games

[@j-jackw.2436]

I like your thumbnails

[@ChenAnPin]

I sincerely hope that more gamers are increasingly getting wise to "cinematic gameplay" trailers for games that though may not be deliberate outright scams should still be taken with a pinch of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism. I can understand that these are marketing ploys intended to entice and pitch the game to potential customers of the fantasy it is espousing, but especially for multiplayer games with some scripted events and interactions and cringe "player" voice acting should at the very least raise some eyebrows. And no pre-orders.

[@averageanimefanboy9473]

As Ninho said "Scam, scam, scam pour quelques vingts points que Dieu nous pardonne." I guess it's what theses devs think when they sell theses scams.

[@naancents9604]

You keep mentioning/showing the Division. I never saw a lot of marketing for it, but I thought it looked neat and has become one of my favorite games of my adolescence. I bought the Divison 2 and played the crap out of it. The short is: I bought the Division, and got a game where I sunk a lot of my time into it, no regrets. I didn't follow a lot of the marketing for No Man's Sky either, just saw the trailers, took them as "oh that's pretty!" and at most was disappointed that my UI was not the same crazy, artsy one they showed. I would say neither of these games are "scams". However, one comes from a long line of false advertising practices, and the other is an introvert that got in over his head. I may have also started acquiring this skill to see through the smoke early on. Or I have crap taste in media. Anywho leave me to my silly space dinosaurs.

[@Arna13]

nice video!

[@bhante1345]

It's frightful that people are so naive to have both the Day Before even with all of the evidence presented that it was a scam.

[@ceepert2153]

Scam game for me doesnt have to be a game made entirely to steal your money. If the marketing is just false in what a game has to offer. Like overtly were its not a mistake that already enough for me. Its usually not the intent of the developers then, but caused by the decisions of publishers to rush games

[@Soul-Burn]

I want to address something that ties with scams, but aren't exactly scam - over hyping games in ways that they were not showed to be. When "No Man's Sky" was first revealed, it looked to me nice but not groundbreaking. We've seen procedural games before and know their limitations. Many people thought it would be much more than it was, much more than was shown. Yes, the devs faked the trailers, but even if they had what they *showed*, it would have been much less than what people thought it would be. The game released wasn't a scam, and it was OK and eventually a pretty good game after updates, but it was never what people hyped it to be. My rule with early access / previews is to only expect what we actually see. If you buy into a game, buy it if you like what you currently see, and don't expect it to become anything else. In the case of Gray Zone, I started skeptical about the project in general, which was quickly shown to be real, with real graphics and systems. We haven't seen all the faction stuff, AI, and generally gameplay other than the moment to moment gun fights. It looks promising, but even a good team with good intentions can fail to deliver on big goals. Keep up the great videos!

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

How to not be disappointed: Be too poor to have a choice

[@riloegaming]

😂

[@Agamaprimea]

Nice hand style lil guy

[@Agamaprimea]

Tagging is cooler than videogames

[@Agamaprimea]

But makin hella utube bands is cooler than tagging so respect 🫡

[@biggc181]

Nice!

[@biggc181]

Great video

[@chiefr9627]

I think the entire community is learning all too well how to deal with scams...

[@HalfRedux]

This thumbnail goes stupid. Great work!

[@riloegaming]

🙌🙌

[@JadedCoD]

Very niiiice 😊

[@luanthomewagner187]

I think RE4 Remake is a good example of gameplay trailer

[@ymxcreatorofworlds7435]

Holy shit nice vid

[@pngun-gd9yb]

just watch some unpopular streamer playing it after the release, there is no way to tell if its something between a scam and a good game, cyberpunk is a good example that no dev can be fully trusted whatever his reputation is

[@uniformslinky]

oh boy

[@jbram63]

Nice 🤘

[@crowley4530]

Nioce

[@Utubebandit89]

Nice

[@pyeitme508]

WOW!

[@why_did_1_download_this]

nice Video