Something I Should Have Done A Long Time Ago

[@BlazzinBobby]

ROFL I laughed so hard at the explaining PVP to a player who's been gone awhile. I remember when I first started raiding and people were getting DM buffs like 6 hours before raid. I was like "why are we doing this so early." And the response was well people logout until raid. I was then thinking to myself "Well then I can't play until raid." It was a terrifying realization of what was to come.

[@MidWitPride]

I'm glad i am a healer, and not dps. No one cares about the healer parses anyway, as 95% of the time your ranking in those is not because of anything you did, but because of your raid comp/your spec/specific boss fight/how much everyone else screws up. Because of that there's really no pressure on you to get any world buffs beyond the head buff, which is super easy to get by just logging in and logging out at your capital some minutes before the raid. Consumables are cheap too, as you don't really need anything other than the weapon oil and some superior manapots.

[@Sofie424]

Well, generally people do buffs that early because they aren't planning to play until the raid. Or they have alts to play meanwhile.

[@Iandrasill]

I mean if you're doing that shit you should have alts ready to play while having your char raidlogged, otherwise don't bother with DMT, ZG and ony are the 2 bigger wbuffs in terms of stats they add in total dmg % and you can just grab those right before raid hour, I spend about 10 to 20 minutes logged out before the raid starts unless I want to tryhard with a full set of wbuffs (only really do that once a month with DMF)

[@IAmAlorel]

Level a character to 60 just so you can avoid playing it apart from clearing a raid in 30 min. Love the classic players' big brain "logic".

[@MidWitPride]

@Duck Sauce Yea, a lot of things "help healers a lot" but when the raids get chewed through without any dangers of wipes in record times, there's no point in minmaxing. Especially as a healer going for high parses isn't the same as doing that as a dps player. Maybe i'll get all the world buffs and use all the consumables for our first few Nax raids, but that's about it. As of now 99% of our deaths are just people getting bored and doing something stupid, and not because we can't push the numbers.

[@Andreas0424]

Yurbufgonxd needs to be a recurring character!

[@jamieweir645]

Absolute chad.

[@gillian1272]

I joined a guild with essentially this character. He explained how some guild mocked his guild so now they’ve all made alts just to sit and dispel the insulting guild pre raid... ...... .......... Why. Are you 10? This seems like a lot of effort for your epeen. I’m not in that guild anymore...

[@ShadowZeroFlame]

@@gillian1272 I mean... if you can why not?

[@barrysmith8078]

@@ShadowZeroFlame only idiots get dispelled since like match, there's like 10 diff methods you can impliment to avoid being dispelled and I have not been dispelled once since March when it first happened to me by only. Implimenting about 4 of the methods... If you dispel anyone it's likely they don't really value their buffs or it was a cannon fodder alt someone sends through so they can get dispelled, and then send the main through whilst the dispeller is corpse running.

[@csquared4538]

@@barrysmith8078 priests can die in places where their corpse is hidden and dispel you on songflower. Not much you can do about that, outside of maybe having an opposing faction account and die nearby to see their ghost. It's really about how much effort dispellers want to put into it and how patient they are.

[@drekbleh7081]

What would be best >Random bouts of skirmishes that feel entirely natural, no clear goals kinda like phase 1 or 2 What happens >Camping outside of raids to disrupt world buffs >stomping folks who are just leveling their alts, leading to safer leveling in dungeon carries, which defeats the purpose of world PvP >world PvP turing from engaging tug of war to just a excuse to practically grief others out of fun

[@PsyrenXY]

And they grief themselves out of fun too. Everyone switches from open world to boosting, and they find themselves on a pve server. It's absolutely nuts.

[@F14thunderhawk]

people claim that TBC killed world PvP.... except it really didnt. PvP servers generally only have survived based on population inertia and not the actual desire to play on them. People might not understand how to enjoy their time in WoW, but they are at least smart enough to realize theyre not having fun because of circumstance they are not allowed to control. All war Mode did was make it obvious who isnt having fun.

[@WillEmmo]

Can't even transfers from PvE to PvP because of the mitigated risk in open world leveling. Aaaaaaaaaaand then dungeon boosts come along

[@mrgankface8687]

Seems like you suck. I find fun in killing horde players, and having them be foolish enough to attack me.

[@drekbleh7081]

@All_lives_matter, reject fabricated racism by govt I think you mean griefing folks who were held at gun point by guild leaders. "IF YOU DON'T GET WORLD BUFFS YOU'LL BE BANNED"(toxic minmax is a problem I agree) Now griefing those who gank low level alts that's one thing. But you're taking out a frustration on random folks, that frustration being the passage of time. Old guilds in the early 2000s held optimization a secret, leaving everyone to fumble in the dark. but now the culture around wow has changed significantly. For obvious reasons. Ruining others fun because you blame them for not playing a early 2000s style in 2020 is kinda a dick move tbh. When Willie talks about being inconvenienced at others convenience I think he's talking about you.

[@sarahshearman9227]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who's fed up of PVP in Classic

[@johnh7593]

It's not even pvp anymore it's just griefing.

[@veganwaffle]

I’m sad I never got to a high enough level to do it

[@Messametti]

@@koronomoa3582 PvP servers are like Trumps presideny, an utter joke. WoW PvP is the worst in the MMO genre, glad iam play on a PvE server and can avoid this clown fiesta.

[@WillEmmo]

Yeah.. tbh I don't actually mind pvp, I just finished R10 solo on my hunter, I know baby ranks, but still. Its the constant pvp tag and much people go out of their way to abuse it

[@sergtrufanov5565]

@@Messametti PvE players are like vegans, everyone should know that they are PvE players. And bringing trump to wow discussion, lmao, gitgud

[@daniels4742]

I swapped to PvE about 2 months ago. Best decision I made so far, by far! Now I can actually do quests and level up outside dungeons, and it rules.

[@warrum9457]

Yup, imagine being able to actually play the game with what limited time we have.

[@paulwalther5237]

I'm liking it too although it seems kind of dead.. although that's probably just few other people leveling up these days.

[@mrgankface8687]

Looks like you sucked

[@andrewmoluf4299]

I know dispel griefing is def a thing, but is open world ganking really that prevalent anymore? I feel like most people leveling alts just buy boosts these days so the world should be kinda empty

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

PVP never stops being an annoyance. You'll always be hassled when you want to farm or go to content. On some realms, dispel grievers are a big menace, and there's nothing you can do about it. They don't care if you kill them. Your buffs are already gone. They only need to live long enough to dispel your buffs and that's it. Blizzard really should have made these undispellable by players, but thanks to the "nochanges" middle finger; players are stuck with it. Fortunately I went PVE. :)

[@dylancampbell6724]

PvP servers can definitely be frustrating especially being on the losing end of a battle but I could never give it up. It makes the game spontaneous and puts the War in Warcraft

[@mrgankface8687]

Indeed

[@baalzebub5000]

Cool

[@israelaurelio3045]

ur such a chad , bet you play rogue and dont open boxes for your gruop in dungeons.

[@XenomorphsWrath]

that is something I often read regarding pvp servers and why people play on them, yet my experience for this year was almost exclusively small group 3 buttoning raids after ambushing them (which is almost as if you were to take a lolly from a toddler, since almost no raid group scouted ahead in the early days since they simply wanted to get to the dungeon and play the content they have met up for.. ) - gank during leveling or traversal. Yeah you got me with all your elixiers potions engineering trinkets pvp specc and pvp gear. congratulations. now go away. - groups ganging up on solo travelers or larger kill teams hunting down smaller groups .. as before - it's just pointless and annoying. That does not even touch the dispelling and the actively malicious attempt to waste hours of time invested for other players. I would agree with you if it were like it was back when, sure you had most of these things happening too, but there was much more free form fighting. Actual fighting. Not just "I am so over prepared that you can't do anything unless you did the same, but you obviously didn't so I am the best :D " which seems to be almost exclusively what is happening today. There is no war, there is only warcrimes and those are never fun to witness.

[@caseyneistat1071]

Same, this guy is just sore cause he lost his wbuffs

[@xXNIDSXx]

That skit had me hollowing, would like to see more! Reminded me of WoW machinimas.

[@booradley6832]

you should use your humanity then.

[@mrgankface8687]

Reminds me that alliance are generally bad at pvp And need videos to.make them feel like its.okay that they suck at pvp.

[@sam510938764]

I've had my fun with WPvP in phase 1, when WPvP was actually fun. The PvP server experience has been downhill ever since. Raid logging for Classic is so prevalent at this stage that most people don't really have the time or energy to deal with dispellers/gankers every single week when they are just here to do PvE content. Sappering enemy raids in BRM gets really old after 12 months of doing it every week. The reason a lot of raid loggers still stay on PvP servers are: not wanting to pay for a transfer; having too many profession/bank alts to move; not all of their guild/friend circle are willing to transfer. It's already enough of a logistics headache to get 40 people show up to raids every week, much less organizing a full migration to a different server. Most transfer guilds seem to always lose at least 1/4th of their raid team after the migration is done. Then adds to the burden of recruiting when player attrition is already an issue.

[@sickofitall8486]

Indeed. In P1 you’d fight over resources, quest targets, and instance entrances. The skirmishes broke out organically. Then P2 drops, and enemy players are now the resource to hunt. Woe unto anyone that rolled alliance and wasn’t prepared.

[@MrGlennJohnsen]

Classic world pvp is only fun if you're one of 4 classes, those being Rogue, Mage, Warlock and Shadow Priest. "Faction vs. Faction" world pvp is only "fun" if you're a ranged as melee can't do anything. Most of Classic's pvp issues comes from Classic being a very poorly balanced game, come TBC it gets a lot better (not perfect) as more classes and specs actually finds their place and are able to hold it.

[@Zoibek]

Grobbulus has a shitload of PVP constantly.

[@Zoibek]

@@MrGlennJohnsen also wrong, Prot Paladin is amazing in WPVP

[@wilddude4205]

imagine: when they are just here to do PvE content , and playing on PVP servers :PP

[@MrMagicTrading]

The RP stuff at the end was fucking insane, had a good laugh at it. Im a pvp player, so I could never play on a pve server because the risk of getting attacked in the open world is what makes it exciting for me. Probably would never be in the open world if this wouldn't be the case but classic is almost done, so its whatever I guess. Everybody should play/do what they enjoy the most, if its pve/pvp or whatever. Good video and hope you have more fun on a pve server :)

[@willichtenstein7071]

Given the effectiveness of NE priests at dispelling buffs, do you consider the burning of Teldrasil to be justified?

[@WillEmmo]

What is this level of reasonableness??

[@Moffattt]

3:35 i disagree, people do not remember. i saved an orc warrior from dying and he killed me 5 mins after, pos

[@DirkusTurkess]

No good deed goes unpunished.

[@knusperkeks2748]

What do you expect from Orcs? They tarnished their own planet with biological evil magic and their solution is to conquer other people's worlds instead of fixing their own. Orcs are not very smart. Orc honor is also whatever is convenient to them at any given time.

[@Emajenus]

Orcs are nothing but savage aliens. They deserve the sword, and nothing else.

[@mcfry13]

Maybe it was a different Orc and they all just look the same and all their names look the same to you. Now who's the bad guy????

[@Moffattt]

@@Emajenus rest easy, i ended up camping another orc in a cave, forced that fucker to spirit res

[@puffin-onehandedgamer1164]

I've been thinking same after getting 1-shot several times by level 60s while leveling. I don't understand people that gank low level characters, I really don't

[@mcfry13]

They probably got ganked while leveling, so this is just them returning the favor and getting vegence, even if it only makes the situation worse

[@booradley6832]

You really have to be insecure about your penis to want to attack people who cant possibly fight back.

[@BGgungame]

Back in the day I did it mainly for 2 reasons. 1. To people that disrespected me. For instance I'm fighting another max lvl in STV on tents and some 34 lvl mage casts frostbolts on me that miss and do nothing, but now that mage is a marked man. 2. Going to a low level alliance camp (like Goldshire) and raising hell in order to summon their mains or their friends with mains and kill them instead. Because it's fun to kick the ass of the one that came to he rescue.

[@timmy3441]

I don't get it either, but people one-shotting lowbies is really just the beginning. It's insane the lengths some people will go to just to grief people. My server has several priests named things like "cyalaterbuffs" which they levelled for the sole purpose of sitting in Orgrimmar outside the bank/inn to res up and dispell people's world buffs, and from what I hear it's happening on pretty much every pvp server. Like, incidental world pvp is one thing, but Classic has brought out a whole other level of premeditated griefing that requires a significant time sink to even set up in the first place.

[@carlos31389]

Because it’s fun

[@zachsutherland241]

I can see the appeal of PvP servers, but I've never rolled on one for a single, simple reason. I pay to play and have fun in WoW, and playing on a PvP server gives everyone on the opposite faction veto power over my fun on their terms, not mine.

[@vannomanno1]

I think you mean, choose the right class, and then kill them, and then they kill you when you're 25% health, and then you hearth and just go level in dungeons getting boosted or farm inside of dungeons. I've played on both servers, and I agree PvE is more fun, because people still actively flag themselves as PVP all the time on PVE servers if they want to PvP

[@arkeez1181]

@@Magetastic69 you are just lame bro

[@yusifagayev6337]

@@vannomanno1 Not trying to be rude, but aside from a few dead specs, most wpvp encounter results are determined by player skill. Most players are unable to reach the potential dmg output of their class, making most dps charts irrelevant outside of the top 1% of people playing the game. If you're really good at playing your class, you'll do ok.

[@eb5548]

@@Magetastic69 I opt in to world pvp all the time (play warmode on retail as alliance) but as expansions age world pvp is so much about gear and not gitting gud. First 2 patches are great and that's the end of the lifespan of fun world pvp. Ofc, most world pvpers are in it for griefing lowbies anyway.

[@zachsutherland241]

@@Magetastic69 That's not really my point. If the fun I want to have at any given moment is farming herbs or going to do a dungeon with friends or getting to my raid on time, that's the fun I want to have, but if you're on the opposite faction and the fun you want to have is to try to kill me, that's what we're going to do. My fun gets sidelined because you can force me to engage in your fun. Whether I kill you or you kill me is irrelevant to me. That isn't the fun I wanted to have and am only engaging in it because you forced me. Playing on a PvE server, I can PvP whenever that's the fun I'm looking for. I just join a BG. When that isn't the fun I'm looking for, no one can force me into it. I can always have the fun I want to have when I want.

[@yonahga5731]

"I think I can wait for TBC" is my classic experience summed up in one sentence lol

[@harjawaldaz136]

Riding PvP to the end of Classic, but no way in Hell am I running around Hellfire at lv61 with level 70s on Epic flying mounts in the sky on day 2 of release :P

[@RunicTitan]

I have never had a good time on PVP servers. Always ends up with me getting ganked and emoted on to the point where I log off for the day. Never a fair fight. People never seem to let you finish your mob and then attack. It's just never fair. I decided to never go pvp realm again after I helped someone in the other faction kill some hard quest mob. After I had helped him, 2 seconds later his mate arrives, ganks me and they both gravecamped me.

[@sorcshots1527]

Get rekt pver

[@WillEmmo]

Well damn, that's rough. Kinda funny in a way as well tbh

[@markxv2267]

Lol some people just cant handle pvp

[@mrgankface8687]

Seems like you suck then

[@RunicTitan]

@@WillEmmo It was a little bit funny, but then I got killed for the 10th time :p

[@architec7635]

Always have been a PvP enthusiast but decided to dodge it with classic and went for Pyrewood Village-EU (PvE).. Best choice I ever made for classic. (PvP at your own convenience with bgs and not at someone else's).

[@mrgankface8687]

Then you suck

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

kinda sounds like a bitch move m8

[@architec7635]

Thank you, enjoy your stress and bashing your keyboards.. doing well here.

[@ceciliam1313]

it appears epeen folks have overrun this thread. Part of me wants to level a tbc toon, just to see these wannabes in arena :D

[@tremorwolfgang8403]

I like how all world pvp examples are simply two giant groups clashing into each other and spamming aoe spells until everyone dies. Truly exciting gameplay.

[@youwalrus123]

Maybe like 1% since phase 2.5... far majority of world pvp now is small encounters of 2-6 people, and if thats your thing its great

[@youwalrus123]

“All” is just false

[@BlueLobster92]

yea most pvp encounters i run into on my palla, are either 1v1s out in world that most horde ignore since palla is a bitch to kill and im a near bis for all my specs so no matter what time of week im a hard fuck to kill. 1v2 or 1v3 is common and 5v5 is common in classic pvp when going from traveling to diffrent instances, strat,scholo,dire maul etc. The only time i ever saw raid group vs raid group was during phase 2 and early phase 3. Rankers wanted as big of a headstart a possible back then that led to wpvp ganking stations where horde were just waiting for unsuspecting allaince dungeon groups to land and get insta gibbed by horde. This behavior caused blizzard to actaully release bgs early due to people quitting the game in droves

[@WillEmmo]

Yep that's just mainly what I had footage of really. Also it is kinda fun, doesn't happen all that often.. not anymore anyways!

[@mrgankface8687]

Its wonderful.

[@LeystTV]

God video my dude

[@winterbreaksable]

After playing over a year in classic on a pvp server, i think open world pvp is terrible. Either you are farming and once you get low a rogue jumps you and kills you, or you get over run by a group of players. Unless you are playing a rogue or a mage open world pvp is just not enjoyable.

[@Tetter.]

yeah thats my experience so far too, hell i dont even kill the other side anymore really

[@SublethalCat]

You forgot to mention the part where the rogue continues to kill you, but only when you get to low health or have 1-2 mobs on you. Rogues are honestly some of the biggest pussies on the planet.

[@youtubefan5786]

Dont forget huntards!!!

[@olebrommm]

@@SublethalCat so true. The guy who whanted to play on pvp playes rough so that says it all

[@huppupappa1637]

Its Part of the game god damn it! Pve server is not normal.

[@SirMaxKnight]

That skit at at the end was really funny. Your delivery is on point.

[@xaphiste]

Welcome to Pyrewood Village! I moved here too not so long ago. Much prefer it. Also the skit at the end was hilarious! More of these please :)

[@joshuamercadel3114]

That role playing at the end had me giggling so hard. “This is PvP” god why do people find griefing fun?

[@sandeater8190]

cause its fun to ruin peoples parses

[@Presearing]

@@sandeater8190 Fun? More like pathetic.

[@yummydain]

Because they're teenagers and teenagers are notoriously stupid.

[@andrejcagalj4089]

@Ivan Not much of pve servers sadly

[@DIVAD291]

@Ivan If there is no possibility for you to be a bitch it makes you not being a bitch a lot less meaningful than if there is a possibility to be a bitch but you choose to not take it.

[@MrSardoc1]

I made the conscious decision to roll a PvE carebear server right from the start. 99.99% of the bullshit drama just stops existing.

[@zaywoppo9427]

Sounds boring

[@MrBergakungen]

@@zaywoppo9427 It isnt.

[@MrSardoc1]

@@zaywoppo9427 Well, certainly not as exciting as the daily flood of "halp they dispelled my world buffs!" threads on wow forums, but I think I'd rather have it that way.

[@rokko1020]

open world pvp is just that...inconvenient. because when you are in the open world, you are there for a reason.. X activity you want to do. and then you cant do it because you get ganked by someone 20 lvls higher than you or you get rolled by a group over and over. it was fun back in the day, i grew up on a pvp server so to say..but now its just annoying and tedious

[@kengurusafari]

Second that. I guess it was fun as a teenager, but those days are long gone, and I prefer enjoying the actual content.

[@huppupappa1637]

Butt Pvp server is normal. In my opinion. Ofc you can attack opposition faction.

[@AA-iq6ev]

Its fun if you got the right class and gear... I.e i.e some one jump you, when at low health and mana, but turn the fight around and beat his ass, thats a nice feeling. Myself trying to fish for fair fights in the wild, no point attacking some one in a bad spot to challange... Also back in the day when u know the top level on the server is was fun to meet in the wild geting some drama, but nowdays i think i agree with you, but maybe also becasue now due to not havbing that amount of time im not on top of the food chain far behind in gear

[@mrgankface8687]

I love open world pvp, breaks the monotony of leveling lol. Winning unfair fight is the greatest glory

[@ryans6309]

I leveled 2 guys to 60 phase 2-3 and it’s an exaggeration how much u noobs cry about 60s killing people. Acting like your Grey asses are worth more than nothing

[@Vhite]

Maybe it's the Stockholm syndrome talking from me, but I do love PvP servers because I get killed. A lot. I've never been a PvP god, and I rarely attack people first, but people who do are the content for me. Levelling through STV and avoiding all the vietrogues breathing down your neck is experience, just as narrowing escaping with your world buffs or grouping up to take back some resource controlled by the other faction. It's like playing a horror game or a roguelike.

[@mcfry13]

Pvp servers are best with friends. Started on a pvp classic server with 7 friends. Now its just 2 of us. We ran together for a month or 2, but then we quickly fell apart. Been regretting rolling pvp ever since. Pvp guilds are a good alternative, but i just dont have the time I used to in order to be active in a guild and make friends with strangers. Vanilla pvp WoW was definitely lightning in a bottle. Definitely rolling pve from now on.

[@ItsWezzel]

Yeah the dispell meta is prolly the most toxic thing ive ever expirenced in a game ever, makes me want to go play League of Legends to deal with less toxic players

[@warmspell7562]

You make very good points.

[@Shiirow]

My thoughts on PvP is that I avoided it like the plague. I rolled on Mal'ganis simply because I knew people there and I hated every minute of being out in the open world. I actually mastered the non-direct path and would find isolated spots to grind mobs for experience.

[@arcamean785]

My brother got me started on dentarg... it was fun from BC till wrath but by mid expac I was bored and honestly ready to quit. Moving to MoonGuard (yeah that one...) was the best choice for me, it gave the game so much more life. Sure it sucks when someone is camping an area but it's also nice because If some high level dude is farming I don't become his farm as well. :p

[@rednaxelaa7365]

3:15 Nice

[@toaster13666]

only reason i even rolled on PVP was that some of my friends wanted to play on a pvp server and i was the only one who was for a pve server so naturally i joined a pvp server with my friends. They all quit after about 3-4 weeks and i was stranded on a pvp realm, but i found a nice guild in the meantime so i thought ok, wont be that bad here. But if my server wouldn't have evolved into a 95% alliance server i'd transfered to pve a long time ago ^^

[@KingArah]

which server is it ?

[@joshuamercadel3114]

I’ve heard this story a few times of friends pulling someone to a PvP server than quiting. It happens a lot

[@saxxonpike]

In the end, you got a PVE server anyway, sounds like. :)

[@WillEmmo]

A story you hear very often! Though it usually ends with I quit/transfered off

[@trentsmith6749]

Same here, problem is I love my guild and it's the only thing keeping me on PVP.

[@loftus8660]

The first couple minutes described my experiences exactly! Played originally in pve, then when classic came around i gave in and thought i'd try the 'full experience' of pvp servers. Was really fun dodging enemy players, it added permanent danger to the world and the moments where you give someome a wave rather than gank them can feel really nice. Sadly i was enjoying the levelling process and taking it slow, when phase 2 dropped... while i was questing in STV. I got ganked by duos and trios repeatedly in fights that were physically impossible for me to win, and all it did was make every quest a chore. That pvp character of mine is still sitting in STV till this day, and i have a 60 version of the character happily in a pve server. I'm glad i tried it, but i think pvp servers only really work if you have the time spare to lose. For me, my gaming time can be quite limited on some weeks and so spending half of that time praying i dont randomly get killed by gankers or corpse running and waiting to res really wasnt worth it. No doubt it looks super fun having those big pre-raid showdowns, but i feel the benefits (i.e. being able to get more done per session & server faction balance) are just too strong for pve realms for me to ever look back.

[@sunderwire]

I switched to a PvE server the day xfers were announced, never looked back since! Love having easy access to world buffs, can still BG to PvP when you want (like never lol)

[@mrgankface8687]

You suck then

[@sunderwire]

@@mrgankface8687 Lol? Because I enjoy not being around toxic people like you? Get a life

[@mrgankface8687]

@@sunderwire You just suck at pvp, just say it.

[@cagatayyilmazer3908]

I have to completely agree here. For me, world pvp is a zero-sum game. I understand for many this is "just a game bro", however perhaps as a softie as I am, I feel slightly disturbed even when I am the one to kill someone. And the desire to gank somebody who has ganked me for "vengeance" or "justice" quickly resides when I know it simply is a negative feedback loop. My only reason for playing at wpvp servers is because they had been more popular in the eyes of the community and I had traveled to servers with bigger communities to interact with more people and do more cooperative content with them. I quite respect pvp players such as Arena Masters (Reckful R.I.P) but a fully decked pvp player ganking/griefing random people in Azeroth is not much different to me than an MMA fighter beating the shit out of random people on the streets. I know many say "well you should not have signed up for a pvp server then" but I think that argument heavily underestimates why so many people like myself did in the first place.

[@mrgankface8687]

You suck

[@J.Severin]

i had my best experience for pvp last week. i was farming herbs in plagelands with my rogue and a thunderfury warrier want to steal my herb. we battle and a lvl 56er hunter joins me in the fight. short Time after a lvl 58 shamen joins the warri. after a few minutes of battle a lvl 57 priest joins at my side. it takes for more then 10 minutes when finally the thunderfury warri i able to take the herb and battle ends. but beside this most of the good pvp experience happend in the levelphase a year ago.

[@thatsimonpeter]

The problem I’ve found recently is actually trying to find ANYONE out in the world while levelling. Not anyone doing alts, not new players, no one. I didn’t have access to the game for about a year so I ended up just stranded in an empty world and it really sucks. Thinking about just waiting for TBC and rolling a Blood Elf but who knows

[@AssassinGTM]

What server are you on? I meet plenty of people on whitemane leveling a new character and I'm barely returning

[@thatsimonpeter]

@@AssassinGTM Ashbringer EU

[@seanwilliams7655]

Not gonna lie, at this point I would probably wait. Population will probably drop off a lot after people clear Naxx. By the time you get to 60 people will be waiting on TBC.

[@voodoo1069]

Man when you said Jonathan it made me turn around thinking I was in trouble lol. I was playing a resto druid in classic for a bit and I had no chance of fightning back a lot of the times I would die in a single stun. All of my friends were like ya man pvp server is so much fun. I'm like I have to stealth travel every where or have lips/faps to run away because that is all I can do. It got to the point I never left the main city and just stopped wanting to even log in. I should had played on a pve server like I always do. I hate world pvp and just find it a time sink / annoying anytime a fight breaks out. I have a task I just want to complete it and don't care about anything else.

[@mantequillas1278]

I feel you bro...

[@wilddude4205]

dude druids are insane for openworld pvp .. u just shouldnt give up so fast.. thats actually your problem. if only thing u can do is run away (what is normal as druid, u call it kiting) while enemies gets no dmg. sorry but then u suck. and u just should improve

[@RedgeNumber1]

Druid is one of the best for world pvp, you just need to get better

[@SmHz7392]

yeah, i main a resto druid, can kill most mages by simply outlasting their nuking with swiftmend and NS, interrupting them with feral charge + bash. Entangling roots/natures grasp + faerie fire + abolish poison (for rogue blind) + travel form kiting can win u fights against most melee. Shadow priests are another story and I'd probs run too XD. But yeah, takes a bit more practice compared to other classes but is deff possible.

[@exertoins7084]

I have also decided to transfer to a PvE server. What server did you pick and why? And is the server living up to expectations?

[@saurlex1368]

Obviously it's all subjective, but I feel like PvP is a large component of WoW, it is a huge amount of content. The danger from others while leveling, questing, farming, etc. is what makes the world feel lived in and gives you a sense of danger. Without other players there is no danger in the world, there is never a reason to pan your camera around before doing something, there is also less competition for resources it seems, you just have to hit the node first you can't be cc'd off it. You are just a PvE god in a low difficulty world. Lack of world PvP is the main reason i can't get into other MMO's.

[@TrueCasualYT]

Nothing good feeling about getting 1 shotted by higher level dickheads. I don't even do that shit on retail.

[@alexcept1onal560]

Retail pvp maybe I could agree with this statement, but not classic. There is literally nothing interesting about being one shot by rogues while questing, or getting sheeped repeatedly, or just generally running into a player(s) 30 levels higher than you and having to walk back to your corpse knowing there is literally nothing you could have done to stop it. That is not enjoyment it's pure frustration. If I feel like it I can just flag myself and see what happens, but if I just want to quest and I'm being ganked repeatedly by people with ganking being their only goal, yeah hard pass on that bullshit.

[@saurlex1368]

@@alexcept1onal560 true, getting camped isn't fun, but I have only been camped maybe 10 times in like 15yrs of WoW so PvP positives heavily out what any negatives.

[@Maull013]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@Xathian]

Made the mistake of playing PvP from December 2004 to the last patch of MoP, corrected that mistake shortly after trying to do things on Timeless Isle. Best decision I ever made in WoW, really wish I had done this since day 1, lots of missed enjoyment. At least with these classic realms I get to somewhat relive the old game without 50% of it spent in spirit form.

[@Jaigarful]

My first WoW experience was on a PvE server, but I glad I was a Night Elf for the Wisp Racial.

[@beornyondur4594]

Don't worry about it WillE, Vanilla I was pvp server and when Classic came out I rolled PVE. It is such a better experience this time around you will love it.

[@mrgankface8687]

Its for baddies that make ally lose in BGs.

[@ceciliam1313]

@@mrgankface8687 you mean alterac valley? From what I understand, the other BGs are still roughly even, if not ally favored on EU, and you are an idiot if you go into AV unless you need some fancy stuff from there.

[@Emajenus]

If you're alliance, PvE is the only way. The population is so good and high. It's amazing.

[@mrgankface8687]

Thats why ally sucks at pvp cause people.like you.

[@mrgankface8687]

My server is okay, the other servers i gotta bg with arent lol

[@mikemcgovern1258]

Full time job and family don't mix very well with Pvp servers. I found that out in Phase 2.

[@mattd923]

I have noticed that on a mid-size PVE server, so much of the toxicity that seems to dominate other servers just isn't present. Absolutely do not regret my choice.

[@mrgankface8687]

You must suck

[@mattd923]

@@mrgankface8687 I mean, my raid team does ~2 hr AQ40 clears every week and killed C'thun the week the gates opened, but yeah, maybe we do suck. Thanks for your input Mr. Gankface, really helpful commentary.

[@mrgankface8687]

Lol pve is easier than pvp.

[@mrgankface8687]

Lol you suck

[@mattd923]

@@mrgankface8687 I'd like to thank you for providing the perfect example of the kind of toxic player I'm avoiding by playing on a PVE server.

[@melski9205]

I switched from PVP. I used to enjoy the chance of a pvp encounter while i was young. I just sort of did whatever came along in the game back then. Now days I want to do and enjoy what I need to get done. I still enjoy the PVP but when I choose to do it. I certainly feel a loss but its a net gain in enjoyment of the game.

[@mrgankface8687]

Disguising yourself as bored isnt the way to get better.

[@brandondavidson4085]

We would welcome you on BloodsailBuccaneers, WillE. The realm has some great raid gears too.

[@MsLucasrr]

So damn true 4:21

[@spk._]

well im new to the world of wow yet ive never had a bad pvp encounter, ive been ganked inside of orgrimmar but tbh every time i came across a player i never attacked first and tbh that got me a long way, people helping me farm a rare for a quest going as far as mind controlling me to heal me

[@booradley6832]

Good to hear good people are still out there.

[@wilddude4205]

@@booradley6832 well good things happen to good ppl . most ppl wonder why others killin em when they greef sb 2 min befor^^

[@SpookyFaceGaming]

I can completely understand your perspective here. I am also on Gehennas, but there is only one reason for that. My irl friend is there and he's the only friend I have on Classic. I dont mind bgs but the open world griefing has been horrible at times. I am torn on where I will end up in TBC but my hope would be to be able to have my hunter move from pvp in classic to pve in tbc and stay with my friend on pvp servers in tbc on my horde.

[@blakejohnson7373]

I used to wave at horde lowbies and show mercy. But after being ruthlessly slaughtered by ?? Horde players in contested areas, they dead on sight now.

[@booradley6832]

"Be the change you want to see in the world"

[@saitoh99]

That’s how war starts the ppl you killing are probably friendly

[@TheAckeePlant]

Yup I kill everyone, I know the level 20 I could spare will be the level 60 killing me next week, so no mercy

[@arkeez1181]

This is called toxicity. And you know what brings toxicity ? Toxicity. You are just not smart enough to break the circle :/

[@TheAckeePlant]

@@arkeez1181 if smart = being the guy who gets killed and doesn't get his vengeance when he can then i'll take being stupid for life

[@KGditto]

Overnight fix of wbuff meta: World buffs present as a one time use unique item. Now I can collect my world buffs for raid and use them once I'm zoned in. This frees up players from raid logging and eliminates the dispel wpvp meta. Also nerf them all by like 50%....

[@mrgankface8687]

Remove world buffa entirely is a better fix

[@Fourside__]

i disagree with you WillE here. PvP should not have to be "rewarded" so more people do it, PvP should be something you do because its fun

[@RedgeNumber1]

True! If people ask for rewards it just means they rolled on the wrong server type in the first place. I could do world PVP and BGs for hours just for the fun of it.

[@RedgeNumber1]

@@nephalos666 Not true, a lot of people enjoy PvP and do it for hours with no reward

[@kzpylj7729]

I'm on pve right now and was debating rerolling to pvp for tbc. I'm leaning towards staying where I am now after this

[@robertp457]

TBC is a much smaller area. And the choke points for getting ganked are plentiful. TBC also is where dailies start and doing them would suck on a high pop PVP server.

[@jonathanmaestas8080]

I've been feeling the same way for a long while as well. I shudder to think about what the PvP scene will be like in TBC. Those who don't think it will be bad, let me tell you something: WiLLE is right about one major thing in this video. Current world PvP has no other point except griefing and trolling. That IS the current meta. And it will only get worst. The possible ways this will carry on in TBC are many: Players hovering on flying mounts encircling Shatrath and around Netherstorm, forcefully dismounting others as they attempt to get by. Players constantly killing the NPC that sells flying mounts so the opposite faction can never buy one. Hundreds of players blocking the very narrow entrances leading to Kara so you die a few dozen times attempting to get in. Not to mention the fact that all of our servers are already massively over-populated leading to an insane amount of players fighting over nodes in the Outlands. It will be.... Hell.

[@frostdracohardstyle]

No world buffs, so dying to get in a raid literally doesnt matter.

[@RelvazPvP]

What are you even on about , you do realise you can just fly straight up and not get forced dismount right. All the other play can do is as much damage as they can with slow fall on or bubble , but most of the time you can just fly straight up and away. Flying mounts don't have collision boxes so this "encircling shattrath" and stopping people getting by is a moot points.

[@gishathosaurus6828]

Honor won't matter for jack shit in TBC, so what your saying is complete bogus. Sure, there will be crazy loads of tryhards, but those guys will be doing arenas and not ganking people in world pvp...

[@witchcult6384]

Best part of mmo's is that it suits so many personalities. All the power to you for going PvE Willie. Personally, the only reason i ever do Pve is to get gear so i can PvP. What retail doesnt have is the numerous gadgets, trinkets and engithingies that can make pvp go any way.

[@marcusklaas4088]

Haha the roleplay was hilarious. Well done!

[@Amoreyna]

I started back in TBC on a PvP server which at the time was around 2:1 Horde: Alliance [didn't know that at the time], which would eventually get bad enough that I lost most of my friends and guild and eventually made me go reroll to PvE at the launch of ICC on a server I've been on ever since. I will say that back in TBC the people out in the world were just so friendly on my server - I found a guild, help [I was a total nooblet to both MMORPG's and PvP in general], and a lot of support and friendship. More so than I ever found on PvE. Sure, I made friends on PvE but I never found that sense of community. It was definitely frustrating at times being out in the world but I had a full friend's list, an active guild, and had people come to help me. Later on, I would be able to return the favor and I have stories about logging on, finding out people had been camped late at night for over an hour and chasing said ganker over hill and dale just killing them over and over in glee. That being said - I had no want to roll on a Classic PvP server [or at the launch of TBC Classic which I do fully intend to be there for because hey - that's my nostalgia finally] because I knew the situation would not be the same and be more what you experienced. People have pissed and moaned about how flying ruined PvP, or how the queue system ruined PvP but honestly - the players themselves really ruined it. People don't want to pick fights that they might lose. A lot of the PvP was ganking lowbies, killing off NPC's at quest hubs, and camping 5 man entrances to make lowbies corpse crawl in. Once a higher level shows up, the ganker(s) flee and honestly, I only had people of my own level attack me if they had friends for the most part. It was a very rare experience for me to be attacked by another person at level questing in the same zone. Later on, it became camping raid portals to screw with guilds, which seems to be the mindset in Classic. I'm not surprised, though I am surprised how many people were sporting the rose-colored glasses so hard they became blind-sighted at what PvP servers always were. It does always entertain me when people boast about being hardcore since they play on PvP servers - you know, compared to "Hello Kitty Island Adventure". I always laugh, because at that point I just assume they're the ones killing quest givers and griefing lowbies, running away with their tail between their legs when a real fight turns up, and/or being unable to PvP effectively when a real fight showed up. I will say that you do develop a better sense of awareness playing on a PvP server and I always had world defense on so I'd know if I was traveling into a war zone like SS or Astranaar. I remember high levels just waving or the priests who MC'ed me to buff me. I remember all the times I went to someone else's rescue and all the times someone came for me. I remember all that far better than the times I was ganked but it's not an experience that's going to come back around again and I'm okay with that.

[@Lornext]

My guild will do it too for TBC, it is a little useless to change it for vanilla at this point though. Hellfire Peninsula will be the worst crapfest in the game's history on pvp servers, mark my words!

[@Quitarstudent]

why? all sane ppl will be in dungs from the first moment they step into tbc, hellfire peninsula, then bloodfurance etc, no one sane will bother questing, also leaving questing to lvl 70 will net you lot of gold, afaik its one of the strategy to get epic lfying just from questing and not farming

[@Lornext]

@@Quitarstudent Good luck.

[@deliriumzer0]

When I first played WoW back during vanilla & tbc, I was on a pvp server and uh. Yeah, I was "the content" as you say 4 minutes in. I was too casual to enjoy pvp, basically, I was ALWAYS underpowered compared to everyone around me and it just sucked. When I feel like doing non-open-world PvP i have a great time, but open world pvp was nothing but a nuisance for me, and it only got worse over time as getting ganked slowed me down & kept me from progressing the way I wanted to. Big oof.

[@xXRauLXx2010]

Well I agree that the lack of incentive is the reason why PvP is in classic the way it is. The only reason you'd engage in it is to see others suffer or show your big D (which is hard to do when people mostly raid log or go in groups) that's why the dispelling shit has come up. On the other hand you'd expect a dude that only plays midgets to like pvp xD.

[@saxxonpike]

I play on a smaller PVE server (thankfully not deserted) and it seems to lack almost all the problems that end up in these videos. Kinda wild, really. No GDKP, no dispels, hardly any boost services. We still have the WB meta but it's well coordinated. Despite the small size, we still got 15 guilds at 9/9 so it's not like nothing gets done. Big PVP vs backwater PVE is a massive difference.

[@phantomblade3740]

All world pvp is is a huge inconvenience. Whether you win or lose it’s a giant time waste in a game that already waste your time. Pve servers are the way to go.

[@feloremeta7472]

Having a FUN is not waste of time.

[@AlexKurilovMusic]

I regret not starting on PvE server myself. I wasted the first half of classic jumping between PvP servers trying to find a perfect faction ratio that I could find comfortable, instead of investing into a PvE server community from the start. Vanilla PvP used to be fun because everyone were noobs and it was new. Nowadays people knew exactly where to camp, which classes to use, which faction to pick. It was maybe fun during phase one, but then it just went by a landslide. I also wanted to play a support class, wanted to invest into being a holy Paladin from the start and it was not a good experience in the world. I transferred to a PvE server in the end but by that time I got burned out by classic and didn't get a chance to play. But I still have the itch.

[@LGP82]

When I want PVP I do battlegrounds. I prefer PVE servers.

[@DaHaranGamer]

So the only difference between a pvp and pve server is that in pvp you can attack anybody anywhere aslong as they are the opposite faction and in pve you can only do it in battlegrounds? :O Im new to the game.

[@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN]

@@DaHaranGamer Yeah, essentially. On a PvP server you get auto-flagged for PvP the moment you step outside the zones your faction controls, meaning the opposite faction is free to attack you anytime they want no holds barred.

[@DaHaranGamer]

@@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN I enjoy PvPing, I just want to get lvl 60 so I can start working on gear and ganking other players :D

[@PsyrenXY]

I don't blame you WillE - going into Naxx I can only imagine the grief-fiesta some PvP servers will turn into as their last hurrah to annoy and get in the way of folks who are simply trying to clear Classic's most difficult fights with all the tools at their disposal

[@absurd0000]

C A R E B E A R Z

[@gregorymcwilliams7493]

Same boat as you but what are you doing about finding a guild to raid with on your new server? Or the people you are leaving behind? Transferring all of your characters or just your main?

[@TheFancyKyle]

Rare Footage of WillE transferring from PvP to PvE via the Cannon Method.

[@RoxasMatheson]

I had a very similar experience with PvP servers on a WotLK private server I tried about a year ago. 99% of the time levelling I'd get ganked and sometimes camped (not always skulled enemies, but I was clearly ambushed/outmatched every time) but there was the odd time where I'd just see the other faction just stand from a distance, give a friendly wave and go about their daily business. That was just about the only time I enjoyed PvP, was when there *was* no PvP. Only other thing I'd say was interesting about it was how on your toes you had to stay, you couldn't just absent-mindedly wander about because you have to stay alert to other players. Yeah, I think I'll stick to PvE servers if I ever get into TBC

[@ceciliam1313]

interestingly, I enjoyed wpvp to some degree on private servers, mostly because they were either more balanced or smaller, or both. Even warmane's icecrown are de facto smaller than the more populated classic servers, if for nothing else, then because folks sit in the cities. In the three-four months of classic I played, the wpvp experience was running between the absurd, the ridiculous, the comic, and sometimes the fun. Big player numbers, weird honor system, faction imbalance, and the relative lack of other pvp content just overwhelmed the scene.

[@stevepeterson6070]

Really PvP is just for people with tiny peeeners wanting to attack people when they are not ready for it. They wait until you are attacking a world boss and you are down to 10 hp, then they attack. Really, those types of people are not really pvpers, as they'd never be able to get any kills in an even matchup. Gankers are just wimps.

[@Warcrafter4]

I believe the term for those type of pvp players are Vultures. They aren't Wolfs(Normal pvper) or Lions(PvP leaders/Challenge seekers) because they actively avoid fair fights and try to pick off the weak like Vultures do. Most open world PvP players end up just being Vultures and they tend to kill off open world PvP games due to constantly killing other players unfairly driving players away from said games.

[@cheetoh3149]

Your sentence structure is horrid. All pvpers are not gankers, but all gankers are pvpers.

[@Warcrafter4]

@@cheetoh3149 Read the word "Most". I also brought up Wolves and Lions(Yes those are proper player terms btw) who are the types of PvPers you see in most non open world PvP games. Its just that open world PvP games by their nature of being open world with hostile mobs to weaken people attracts a lot of Vultures who want easy wins.

[@Magepure6749]

Tbh, if you go to RP-PvP servers, they have slightly more honorable people (the non-vultures) over there. RP part seems to scare away the worst tools, most of the time. Or maybe I was just a bit lucky :V

[@cheetoh3149]

@@Warcrafter4 it was not a reply to you.

[@Mekose]

I had a really great PVP experience on Whitemane as alliance. This was mainly because I had a VERY active and competitive guild from private servers. My gf and I also played together constantly, so I was never without back-up in open world. We would coordinate world buffs with multiple alts for teleports, we would have many scouts and alliances for BRM. We never ran into problems with losing world buffs because we would have our 2nd raid team go in first as a PVP raid and clear out BRM first, then run in with our primary raid team; and swap on each raid day. Everybody was required to have consumes and sappers, we coordinated bubbles and HoTS with our mages to spam AoEs. We had many clips of 40-80 of us wiping 200-400 horde at BRM during the early months of release and P2. I heavily enjoyed the competitive nature of clears and speedruns on our server between the factions. We would camp other guilds and find out their raid times so we could wipe them and strip buffs so they couldn't compete with our clear speeds. It's kind of scummy, but this entire experience was extremely bonding for the guild. We all had strong goals to work together for and formed a strong community to be the best. Being outnumbered 30-60 made the accomplishments feel much sweeter. We even controlled world bosses which was extremely difficult and took the coordination of multiple guilds on shifts and fighting hundreds of horde. I can definitely understand PVP servers being frustrating, especially for the severely outnumbered alliance with horde being imbalanced with racials. I can see how griefing and not being able to do open world quests or leveling would make people not want to play. But it made the world feel a lot more threatening and it made people stick much tighter together to push through the horde. It formed a strong community for people to be able to do anything. The biggest problem is the massive imbalance between the factions. You can see that ALL the pvp servers are 40 ally to 60 horde or much much worse. Some servers have even turned into 1% alliance and 99% horde; it's a huge problem. If the factions were balanced or if there were faction queues 90% of the issues with PVP servers wouldn't exist.

[@alturius4]

"This is PvP Johnathan!" Nah mate, it's a lvl 60 bloodfang dekked rogue camping a lvl 12 human warrior is Westfall, teabagging or dancing on the corpse. Real mad skilllzzz

[@alexadam4339]

why is the lvl 12 human warrior pvp tagged in westfall tho

[@youtubefan5786]

@@alexadam4339 cuz its a pvp server, and low level pvp believe it or not can be quite enjoyable. although the real question here is why is a fully decked level 60 rogue in westfall.

[@Banana_Zach]

@@youtubefan5786 just pvp happening on a pvp server bro

[@youtubefan5786]

@@Banana_Zach never said it wasnt but i think we can both agree a level 60 camping level 12 is a bit scummy no?

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

Westfall is a protected zone but nothing stops horde from killing you over in duskwood or redridge.

[@AnEmptus]

I initially rolled on Grobulus Pvp-RP because I wanted the immersion and I was on a PVP realm back in Vanilla. Transferred to an PVE-RP realm during phase 3 after spending 2 days of play sessions getting ganked in STV and Tanaris, never regretted it. Good for you for knowing what you want and not letting "sunk cost" eat your fun.

[@patrickwhittaker5285]

“iTs a PvP sErVeR” - bis excuse for griefers who are bad at any actual form of pvp

[@DerortLightBringer]

I told my friend I wanted to go to an RP server because the communities are usually more casual and I like that. He said he wanted a PvP server. We decided to meet in the middle for that and roll on an RP-PvP server. He quit, I got stuck there by myself when people started reaching lvl 60, and ended up abandoning a lvl 39 mage to not deal with the bullshit that was going on.

[@anglogaming7071]

PvE is too boring. No excitement when your out in the world knowing your are completely safe. PvP provides life in the game for me. I raid to get gear to shit on horde scum. You raid do u can be better at PvP for me.

[@cashnelson2306]

I finally used Classic as my excuse to move to PVE servers after being forced onto PVP ones by my friends for years and absolutely hating it. Zero regrets.

[@mrgankface8687]

You suck then

[@cashnelson2306]

@@mrgankface8687 yeah dude takes a lot of skill to roll around with 10 people at all times to avoid the other 10 man groups

[@aimilios439]

World pvp is by nature unbalanced. And unbalanced games are by nature bad.

[@cheetoh3149]

Lol no

[@gabrielsanchez5030]

Love the classic pvp scene, I enjoy getting ganked by a lvl 60 rogue every 10 minutes while I try to level my noob hunter.

[@bucky7162]

LOL yurbuffsgone bit was like a peep show skit haha very funny ! :D

[@Kesobanan]

Rolled on PvP at launch because all of my friends wanted to. They were complaining about getting ganked despite knowing exactly what they signed up for, and a few months in - they all quit. There were some fun moments, but overall it was extremely frustrating playing there. Moved to a PvE server and I would never ever consider going back.

[@misalignedx]

I enjoyed PvP when I was younger and we all knew less about the game. This time around everyone is a tryhard with Engineering looking to grief and make content with a Linkin Park soundtrack and screen shakes of their sick ganks. I transferred to a PvE server after Phase 2 and don't miss being on a PvP server, at all.

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

PVP realms are only fun early on. After a few months, they fill up with ganking 60s. New chars become alts covered in the best gear/enchants so fighting them won't be much fun either unless you did the exact same shit. Meta gaming knowledge/guides also helps to ruin it as everyone runs the best classes/builds and knows all the valuable areas/items. Back then, no one knew wtf they were doing so you rarely found top quality alts and many players had bad builds. On PVE, none of that shit is a problem. You can enjoy the game at any point in the realm's life. Later players may have advantages but it doesn't take anything away from you. The only issue is lack of groups because low levels barely have anyone in them anymore. But as far as questing out in the world goes... you're still fine.

[@nimblelafitte1923]

:) good on ya man, imo too many people roll on pvp servers cause its like 'the thing to do' i play both pvp and pve servers, and i love them both, and honestly pve probably my favourite, you can still pvp, but you get to choose when you do.

[@matlabninja]

I was still leveling when Phase 2 dropped. I abandoned a Lv 40 toon on a PvP server to escape the griefing and started a new main on a PvE server. I recovered that toon via server transfer when they became available and made him an alt. Seemed like "PvP" at the time was either: 1. Be a pain and gank people 2. Get ganked while trying to level. Not fun

[@owfan4134]

My favorite memory in classic phase 2 is when I was nearby the path leading from zojamba village up into the Aeries that is most of the zone, and I look and see this level 54 paladin slowly dying to some mobs during that stupid chicken escort quest and he’s just totally given up the guy knows that the gig is up and is just waiting to see if he gets a retribution crit before death... when a level 60 shaman on an epic mount rolls up in BiS healer gear and dismounts directly at him But instead of earth shocking his ass I killed the mobs and helped him with the rest of the escort quest and it was great to just share in someone else’s experience of relief and victory And literally all I had to do is not be a mongoloid proto ape and start slamming all of my ability buttons simultaneously because they’re red and that means they’re bad

[@mrgankface8687]

Yeah I used to go help horde with their mobs, let em get full hp and when they think they safe, and are about to leave, I strike and kill them.

[@mrgankface8687]

"You can finish your quest, but your ass is mine"

[@Stormsong93]

I would go PVE on my classic character but my main worry is not being able to transfer back to a PVP server in TBC for arena since I imagine most of the arena community will try to be on a single server, likely a PVP one.

[@zorgar]

Im still trying to convince my friends to go pve in tbc one good thing with retail is that all servers are pve now and it was a godsend

[@robertp457]

I won’t be staying on PVP servers for TBC it’s a much smaller area and the farming places are also very small.

[@Sidorei]

This might just be some of your best work so far!!! KekW!!!!!!!!!!! I laughed my ass off... ----- Amaze - especially today of all days watching this, DMF just got live and the Nighelf priests are all over the damn place in Org....

[@smokinbonez420]

the best way to play this game is the way in which you enjoy it the most

[@Tom-wm6jr]

I'm leveling a warrior mostly solo on a pvp server. I'm having a lot of fun. Don't know why people get so worked up about it. The world is dangerous and sometimes you get aggrod by people you stand no chance against. Sometimes you do stand a chance. Sometimes you can get others to help you clear out annoying gankers that won't stop being aggro. The world is dynamic and unpredictable on PvP servers, and that's the point.

[@Truppe4]

A dude from a German PvP Server here (Dragons Call, Horde) I started my journey on Lucifron (A German PvP Server, actually our first, and our ONLY Server at classic release) Lucifron is now 100% Horde, and me and my friends saw it coming from the first week on, so we changed to Dragons Call which is 60% Horde atm. I totally understand your decision. I am pretty tired at this point. The Arkanite ores are camped by Max Geared, Thunderfurry wielding no lifes which will farm your ass if you dare to mine one ore. I wish, I as a "casual" player had the chance to farm anything. Its hard enough against bots and your own faction, so I would consider changing to a PvE Server too. But I cant leave my friends, and our guild behind. You know how it is^^

[@allantotti]

I get it... for me though, world PVP is one of the best things about Wow classic. It did get a bit toxic on phase two but now it is pretty leveled... Comparable to my initial experience in 2005.

[@paulhay8357]

BEST ROLEPLAY EVER!!!!! Ur not just informative but highly highly hilarious

[@abk5828]

Just an honest question. How do you like the PvP aspect as an Alliance Shadow Priest :D

[@haldir108]

I ONLY rolled PVE at the start, because my friend was butthurt about how PVP played out on nostalrius (i had a fine time there. No idea what he was talking about). However, seeing how different the communities are, i'm so glad i ended up here. Get buffs right before raid, fewer people buy gold so gold is less inflated, the majority of guilds are casual or semi-hardocre, the drama basically ammounts to that one guy who left the server with his thunderfury, and that was months ago. Colaborative environment regarding the buffs, with no ninja-poppers, and just a generally good community. I miss engaging in open world PVP sometimes, but absolutely love how much better my server is than the average reddit post makes it seem. Maybe i'll play on RP server next time, just to get even more of the same vibes.

[@timc1277]

Video is so spot on.

[@arcamean785]

Moving from PvP to PvE (RP) was the BEST single decision I've ever made in wow, it's lead to so much more general enjoyment from the game. Killing and being killed can be exciting but in the end it's usually some massively over geared players trolling lower geared or those without a group getting swarm camped.

[@po5tboy]

dude that RP bit was hilarious

[@Judgeharm]

That debuffer guy was fantastic 10/10