Sonic Adventure 2's LOST E3 2000 Prototype

[@ClassicBentobox]

I love that intro. If you clicked on the video you already know the game so I appreciate not wasting our time.

[@StillTheBest1973]

holy shit yes.

[@pinkyoshi9339]

I personally think shadow was still gonna be playable, but just wasn't shown off in early trailers to keep him more mysterious and they were still gonna reveal him later

[@The1SunshineFeeler]

That’s a theory I always see, but he does appear at the end of the E3 2000 trailer 🤔

[@FlamingFoxProd]

​@@The1SunshineFeeler Well sure, he *appears,* but he's not named at all. You get a glimpse at an "evil sonic!" to get your mind running while they purposely leave as much about him vague as possible, thus showing zero gameplay.

[@Bowling4986]

@@FlamingFoxProd hell even in one of the demo trailers he's never referred to by name, just as "the ultimate hedgehog"

[@Rishi123456789]

I think Rouge was originally called 'Nails', if I remember correctly. And I loved watching the SA2 trailer from E3 back in 2000 mostly because of the cool music. But it's a Sonic game, so cool music is guaranteed.

[@SpeedyTheSonicChao]

Knuckles as a "neutral" character would not be that far off from his character in SA1 and before. He used to only care about the Master Emerald, and he was regularly (at least twice!) fooled by Dr Eggman into going against Sonic. Maybe they were planning on having the same dynamic play out again instead of making Knuckles just be a part of the heroes' team. It would be a bit boring compared to what we got in the final release, but I can't help but wonder about this parallel universe where Knuckles not only plays a bigger role in SA2's story, but potentially isn't even considered one of the "hero characters" in Heroes and beyond!

[@spartanq7781]

Everyone: "make Tails playable!" Sonic Team: "Eggman clone it is." Everyone: "son of a......."

[@730Flare]

That might explain why Tails has one less level and power-up than Eggman.

[@ExodoPics]

You can tell Shadow and Rouge were always planned for the story. Shadow due to the text saying Ying and Yang, Fake and the actual black and white logo..and Rougue you can see a pink text screen.them being playable is up for debate. They probably didnt want to show too much in the 1st trailer.

[@CHMernerner]

second this

[@victorhale]

Pink text could imply amy actually

[@divinedoodoo]

So the video was actually used at the end of the dreamcast demo disc. I don't believe the other characters weren't planned but I believe they were unsure of the game scope and didn't want to over promise.

[@A_Different_Name]

I can only assume Shadow and Rouge were not playable in the Demo because they weren't ready yet. Perhaps they had bigger ambitions for the two? I also heard Amy was going to be playable, possible as a return of the Stealth stages from Sonic Adventure 1. I have a theory that Rouge would've been Amy's rival, it would make sense for Rouge to go through stealth stages anyways given that she is, in fact, a spy.

[@SaykredCow]

No it seems you were supposed play character stories like SA1 instead of hero/dark. You could select Sonic, Knuckles, or Eggman. All the levels made for SA2 were just for those three characters. Once the silly fan outcry about Tails hit they just gave Tails Eggman levels to shut the fans up. Gave Shadow four of Sonic’s levels and half of Knuckles’s levels to Rouge.

[@fabianugalde3789]

I personally wouldve thought that a cool way to have Amy playable would be with some platforming/stealth stages. Her counterpart would be Metal Sonic, and she would have an arc where she becomes more independent and realizes the burden she can be when forcing Sonic to marry her. Just a thought, but could have been a cool addition to SA2

[@LeUberTroll]

While the footage is clearly from an early build, it doesn’t mean that it’s on a disc. It could’ve been loaded onto an old dev kit so that they could capture the footage on a computer for editing the trailer. It’s probably a debug version where they could place characters on maps for testing. Sad thing is it probably also got written over with the next dev build

[@shardsoftime0952]

I was looking at old sonic Stadium posts, and found an interview of yuji naka, saying that tails wouldn't appear, as his story was over

[@Naruku2121]

2:10 this may indirectly explain why in frontiers a cyberspace level based on Sonic's memories included sky rail. Well maybe not entirely, wouldn't be the first time Sonic Team gave Sonic a Shadow level (Generations 3DS). Still an interesting note.

[@skunkface_]

If Yuji Naka had the only copy, then it was probably confiscated by the cops when they booked him

[@cryptocsguy9282]

😂😂😂😂

[@Takato]

That's not how it works, bro lol

[@Blankult]

1:37 Little fun fact for ya, it says on the text that that character is "Crucules, Kunckles' younger brother", it says that Robotnik manipulated Crucules while Knuckles was on vacation. That's gotta be Tec Toy making up some shit lmao

[@lonecom685]

lol Reading this broke me into pieces XD I stopped the video hopping for some interesting insight only to learn something about "Crucles"

[@Blankult]

@@lonecom685 I mean, now we both know Crucles is a thing apparently lol

[@elaymm4]

During the development of almost any game there's a stage where it's not really completable, but somewhat playable. What that means is, this version of the game could very well not have any story or progression at that point, technically wise. All that could've been there were a bunch of levels, some more polished than others. Same for characters. "How this trailer was made then?" - well, that's an easy question. When you're developing something like this, with multiple levels and/or progression, you will need a quick access to any content from the project almost instantaneously. Without finished progression (a way to transition from one level to another, and etc) you might not even be able to access everything that is in the game at that development stage. So there are usually developer tools, debug options, to quickly manipulate the game. Want to launch a specific level? Open debug menu and select it from there or launch game with specific set of bootup arguments (remember level select from the very first STH?). Want to test gameplay as specific character? Similar deal. I'm not saying it was like that, but it makes a lot of sense to me, as that's a normal practice in development. They could've just launched game at specific stage, with selected character and record gameplay footage, that then would be edited into a trailer.

[@Blonder_Studio]

this feels like an extremely (EXTREMELY EXTREMELY) similar case to Devil May Cry 1 which was released EXACTLY a month after SA 2, if you look at the reveal trailer for DMC 1 it is soo much different than the final game much similar to how the SA 2 prototype discussed here is

[@Sonicfan721]

I just met this channel and I’m all starting to love this guy ❤

[@RedStreakX]

I believe that it was Sonic,Knuckles,Shadow,and Eggman. I think they just wanted to hide shadow for suspense. They might have not had anything done on him. Rouge and Tails were not a thing in the trial but shadow was.

[@eastbeast1379]

As a big Sonic Adventure 2 fan, I'd be interested to what the prototype would be about as it could be a lot different with the story and stages, or maybe similar. The fact it was just Sonic, Knuckles and Dr. Eggman as playable characters, it does seem like that would be the case to be more different to the final game. SEGA did release the early version of Sonic Adventure 2 music on their KZbin channel. So maybe they do still hold the prototype of the E3 Sonic Adventure 2 game, but who knows? It might not of been backed up or be currupted on disks or hard drive. Then again, things from the 2000s like the disks and the hardware like the GameCube or the Dreamcast has lasted well. Same with the Xbox Original HDD and the Xbox 360 HDD. So I can't imagine it'd be the case that it be lost entirely. Might need to look through the credits in the manuel or in the Dreamcast/GameCube/HD port credits itself.

[@someonecalledrichardthehuman]

Pretty cool video, SA2's development is pretty interesting nontheless. PS:Thanks for taking my suggestion, INNER PEACE LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!

[@davidslogoarchive5116]

Two words. Hidden Palace.

[@davidslogoarchive5116]

Hidden Palace has the power to track prototypes previously thought to be unreachable. So it's up to them.

[@drgabi18]

It's theorized the City Escape level is actually a test level, at least TCRF suggests so.

[@HeavyRaiden]

Whaaat? you are telling me that the best designed level in the game was just a test?

[@eastbeast1379]

It could of been a test level in the E3 trailer? Not sure if I believe that though as there is an actual green coloured test level to access in the final game, with slopes, stairs and grinding rails.

[@gabrieleduardo7304]

I want to thank YT random algorithm for recomending this channel, anyways. 1:37 I decided to translate the text in English [the best I can, I believe is 100% readable] since I know what this text is saying, but what in the world is this, Brasil Sonic lore is different or something, since it is the second time I see a weird description translation in some Sonic related stuff. " Crucules the echidna is Knuckles younger brother, the guardian of chaos emeralds. Crucules is strong, smart, and can use the same skills as his brother! While Knuckles is on vacation, Dr Robotnik tricks Crucules and makes him think that Sonic and Miles [ Tails] Prower is after the chaos emeralds, now your objective is stop them".

[@thodds68]

I am pretty sure tails shadow and rouge were planned very early on to be playable just not show off in this trailer to build hype and speculation

[@brycetheoddball]

This footage you’re showing is the same trailer from Phantasy Star Online. It came with an SA2 demo disc that had City Escape playable and the Japanese voice tracks with no English dub. But this footage plays after you beat City Escape in that demo.

[@blacksunshine7485]

Ah, this is the infamous 'Steve-O Build' owing to the fact that Jackass' Steve-O and another Jackass guy played it for MTV at that E3 event and called it 'Rad'.

[@laslosermcuseless1574]

Oh that's why shadow has only four levels

[@Lightwork1307]

I was introduced to your channel a couple of days ago, and while I expected very little in terms of quality, I was incredibly intrigued by the premise of the video (your one on Sonic 2). I was incredibly taken aback by the impressive quality and quickly hooked on your channel. This has been an inceedibly humbling viewing experience. Never have I seen such quality from such a new, small channel. I did read that you worked on some of your videos for over a month and then uploaded them, but even with that in mind, the thoroughness and pacing of your videos are excellent. Job well done, sunshine feeler.

[@phd3709]

Thanks for making an amazing video

[@RedRevenge10]

we also need to find the sonic 06 e3 2006 demo

[@eastbeast1379]

Yeah I could imagine it'd be interesting with the E3 Sonic 06 demo as it look like it could of been different. Think I heard somewhere on the internet that they had to restart because the storage got currupted. Could be wrong though.

[@RedRevenge10]

@@eastbeast1379there is also another theory that sega lost the files of the e3 build and had to downgrade to an earlier build

[@user-p421]

I also heard, that Maria was an actual ghost! But it was probably before trailer, like Terios.

[@TraversalKnife]

there is a playable sonic adventure 2 demo for the sega dreamcast floating around on the internet somewhere. I know this because I played it as a kid on my real official dreamcast. what I also remember is being able to burn the entire image onto a cd-r blank format disc. if you don't know, cd-r discs are typically able to hold 700 megabytes of data. this means that the demo must have been around 700 megabytes of data, which isnt too far off of the original file size for the finished rom of the game. i remember the regular sonic adventure 2 rom being OVER 700 megabytes and so me being a little kid, I kind of just assumed that you couldnt burn the image as the game just barely exceeded 700 megabytes. I was wrong and I know know that. despite this, I burned the demo image onto a blank cd-r because the demo image was below 700 megabytes so I assumed it should work. anyways, sorry for the long and autistic ramble. I'm questioning whether you could maybe find some stuff if you data mined the demo rom of the game. there might be some interesting un-released content hidden away in the disc image

[@koga7582]

You make good videos

[@GoldenFoxDev]

ANOTHER PEAK VIDEO LETS GO

[@RedRag684]

Katt williams wasnt kidding when he said all truth will come to light in 2024. Never before seen footage of heroes adventure 2 and 1 i believe already.

[@JitterBob]

We want SA3 goddamnit

[@icloudkkk3925]

I laulft so much at the crucules joke

[@tmntphan]

Wake up babe, new Sunshine Feeler video dropped

[@UltraCenterHQ]

Scrumptious

[@b0xE_]

Pretty sure Shadow was MAAYBEEE???... playable but definitely didn't have his name yet lol.

[@thiscat9712]

What happened to the Saturn prototype video

[@The1SunshineFeeler]

It’s back up!

[@Change51]

Good video!

[@hippaman2435]

Why would a disc based game be harder to find than a cartridge based?

[@Frank_Erz]

I assume because a disc is much easier to physically damage and cause the contents to become permanently lost.

[@hippaman2435]

@@Frank_Erz Oh, that makes more sense, I think you’re right.

[@ECartmanist]

Like the Monty Python nod

[@lonecom685]

1:36 Why is this in Portuguese? And why is it mentioning a so called brother of Knuckles named Crucules? 😂

[@deslardesslok]

2:39a.m. 1/15/2024

[@om4gaa]

Good video

[@Realshifustarcodedragon]

hi we back from the 2001 and 2000 version

[@haimarrrr]

Good work, i will see more of your videos.

[@MrConnman123]

Pretty sure Knuckles was supposed to represent neutral which fits considering his role in the story is purely self-motivated and he barely has anything to do with Sonic and Eggman's conflict. I kinda wish they stuck with the original plan and just had Shadow, Tails and Rouge be unlockable extra characters to just play around with in other characters' stages.

[@subculturebith1616]

my headcanon is weapons bed was originally supposed to be shadow's stage before being given to eggman

[@JohnCenaIsMyDad]

The game already tells you what Rouge's role would've been 'without her connection to Knuckles' she's not in the game solely because of Knuckles, maybe you need to go back and play SA2 again and figure out what the hell Rouge is doing because it tells you lol

[@Vantoxify]

cool video man

[@Kyuubert]

Here before this blowsup

[@LYB4]

what happened to your video on the saturn version of adventure? its gone (this video is great btw)

[@The1SunshineFeeler]

It’s back up. Idk what was going on.

[@oscarwildin9803]

Good video 👍

[@PilaCiu]

Sanikku!!

[@OutFreak28]

A yes, mocking cybershell

[@Atomiky-]

What happened to the SA1 video?I swear there was the video a day ago or I'm just hallucinating,lol.

[@matcastagnani1070]

Rip sa1 video

[@Atomiky-]

@@matcastagnani1070 Yeah.:(

[@The1SunshineFeeler]

It’s back up!

[@Atomiky-]

Nice

[@matcastagnani1070]

@@Atomiky- wow ok

[@axelprino]

I've always been bothered by the fact that due to fans' demands they changed the game's structure in order to make Tails playable. The way the levels are organized in the final game is awful, I never liked being forced to constantly switch gameplay styles instead of having a more coherent set of campaigns like in SA1, it completely throws any sense of difficulty progression out the window. We could have gotten a much better game if they had stuck to the original plan of only having three playable characters with the rest limited to the multiplayer mode. It's not like it was necessary to have the main antagonist/rival being playable, neither Metal Sonic nor Knuckles were playable in the games they were introduced, Shadow could have just been a post-game unlockable to play through Sonic's levels after beating the game and have his debut as a proper playable character in the next game.

[@PikachuGamerSMT]

I have the disc but not the console lol

[@safeenentertainment8566]

Wait why was the sa 1 prototype video deleted?

[@deslardesslok]

1 DAY LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@moonhead9282]

i love you

[@zarbaboiarchive1680]

here at 1k subs don't care

[@gmangothedango]

2nd time asking Can you make the next video about the dark and disgusting fandom and their weird ass shipping?

[@The1SunshineFeeler]

No offense, but that topic’s been gone over a billion times 😭 I also avoid that side of the fanbase as much as possible, so I wouldn’t exactly know where to start with a video like. And while I often put a lot of criticism into my videos, I try to be as positive about it as possible and I don’t like making my videos be nothing but negativity :D

[@gmangothedango]

@@The1SunshineFeeler maybe next video about Adolf hitler?

[@Silverlink28]

I think you have biases towards the 3D games

[@SurAuvers]

What are the plotholes?

[@mysteryperson1958]

Guessing you ain't a fan of SA2

[@48hourrecordsteam45]

That would have been better.! Those stupid other characters ruined the game .! All we wanted was to play as Sonic with helper characters following him. Nothing else.!!