Sonic SatAM 30th Anniversary Complete Series DVD DISASTER!

NCircle really dropped the ball with this 30th Anniversary Complete Series DVD release of Sonic SatAM. Let's see how many ways they messed it up...
Outtakes: • Sonic SatAM DVD Rant O...
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Closer Look - Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic SatAM) The Complete Series DVD Collection (Shout Factory)
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My original review of the Shout Factory set from 2008:
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[@zaranyzerak]

Outtakes! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ2uhICif9yba5Y

[@allthelonely4287]

When I randomly clicked on this video I was not expecting a somewhat in-depth technical explanation on the advantages of Blu-ray but I must say I am pleasantly surprised.

[@zaranyzerak]

Happy to subvert your expectations!

[@beauwalker9820]

It's kinda sad that the 2000s decade DVD set was better, and had great bonus features, easter eggs, and neat menu animations.

[@marcuswalker3409]

I have that DVD box set!

[@ultimatefanboy4060]

Not to mention all the really nice fanart on the DVD cases, both on the outside and on the inside.

[@marcuswalker3409]

@@ultimatefanboy4060 This box set feels like a step backwards!

[@beauwalker9820]

@@marcuswalker3409 I wish I still did... My family forced me to get rid of most of my DVD collection, including many DVDs you can't get anymore...

[@jeremyriley1238]

@@ultimatefanboy4060 Amen to that, especially since it included fanart with characters not in the show (like Knuckles and Fang).

[@luckykennedy7364]

I really wish Discotek had done the 30th Anniversary released because they would have went above and beyond. All the previous special features with new ones along with improvements to the picture quality like they did with their Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog Blu-ray. Unfortunately we can't have nice things.

[@zaranyzerak]

110% agreed!

[@jerzeta47]

I completely agree! Discotek is incredible with their Blu-Ray releases. They would probably include all of the special features from the Shout Factory DVD including new features.

[@GamerBoy870]

​@@zaranyzerakoh and Kamen rider Black and RX I own them both

[@edgardeitz2784]

​@@zaranyzerak Even the "Shout Factory" releases were better!, and I only need "Adventures of Sonic" volume three to complete _that_ collection... EDIT - Yes, the Shout Factory version *SHOULD* be the basis...

[@derple8524]

Well that's typical for modern Sonic

[@AntMil2008]

One thing to add on with the fact that kids don't care about physical media: You can literally find these Sonic cartoons on KZbin, so even if they'd care about these shows, it's a no brainer that the adults should be who is marketed towards.

[@bleujae68000]

Literally saw this while walking in a Target. Really glad I still got the old Shout! Factory release from back in the day.

[@TheMantaBluRay]

It's flabbergasting how studios have not transitioned their standard definition shows into SD-BD formats. The obvious advantages from manufacturing less discs to making the shows nearly HD in appearance makes it a no-brainer. Imagine getting something like TMNT 1987 & 2003 on SD-BD's. It would make the lives of fans so much easier & preserve these shows better than DVDs ever could.

[@zaranyzerak]

It really is baffling, especially since I think it's safe to say by this point that DiscoTek has shown how much potential SD-BD truly has for content that doesn't have HD-ready masters available. We need to get out of the 90s with Physical media already, DVD is literally two generations old now!

[@GermanTribun]

@@zaranyzerak You know what's even more insane? Over in Europe using Blu-Ray for SD-only series is a common thing. Just looking onto my shelf, I can see Real Ghostbusters, Saber Rider and Galaxy Rangers, three shows that are only SD, in full-series Blu-Ray boxes.

[@zaranyzerak]

Yep, those German releases of a bunch of classic 80s cartoons were the earliest instances of that as I recall. Sadly no English audio options on those, but I remember thinking at the time that was absolutely the way they should go with SD content.

[@GermanTribun]

@@zaranyzerak Actually, the German releases of Real Ghostbusters and Saber Rider do have English audio as well.

[@zaranyzerak]

@@GermanTribun Oooh, good to know! I knew a lot of the other ones didn't, so just kinda assumed they were all likewise.

[@HalozillaEX]

Thanks for filming this video and uploading it when you did! i just canceled my order for the NCircle set. I might have put up with the barebones nature of this release, but if the video quality is negatively affected because they crammed all of the episodes on 2 discs? Hell no. At that point, I'd rather download the episodes online and burn them to blank dvds. At least then I could put the pilot episode at the beginning (like its supposed to be) and I wouldnt be giving money to a company that clearly doesnt care about putting out a worthwhile product.

[@zaranyzerak]

And that's really the best way to send a clear message to these companies that customers won't shell out their hard earned cash for just any lazy crap they shove at us. Hit 'em in the pocket book. Vote with your wallets, people!

[@jeremyriley1238]

Thankfully, I didn't need this set since I still own the Shout Factory set.

[@dannewnam2701]

This will definitely replace Ed, Edd +Eddy: The Complete (Incomplete) Series as one of the Worst Disappointment DVD in 2023 History.

[@dannewnam2701]

P.S: I bet Nostalgia Critic "Doug Walker" is going to be watching this Video Review on this for 21 Minutes (He going to be Super Upset and Angry as Irate about this).

[@GamerBoy870]

Sucks that the movie or Halloween and Christmas special aren't with the Ed Edd N Eddy Christmas special you'd haft to a single disc with episode

[@HydraSpectre1138]

Also, it is cheaper to cram in 26 SD episodes on one Blu-ray than on 4 to 7 DVDs.

[@user-sq5eg8vz6j]

Ever since the rise of streaming, the dvd market hasn’t been the same ever since. It’s almost all recycled, lazy dvds or blu-ray releases with bland menus with little or no special features.

[@Danbo22987]

At least with Ed Edd n Eddy that was releasing seasons 3-5 finally so there was something of value there. This has already been available complete before

[@Funkmonkv1]

It annoys me that some movies these days in the UK are just getting released on dvd, you then need to wait for labels like Second Sight to release it & give the movie the respect it deserves.

[@zaranyzerak]

Wow, really? That's awful.

[@fictionalmediabully9830]

"Cartoons are for kids" I'm annoyed that hasn't died off. X(

[@zaranyzerak]

You and me both! It's infuriating.

[@Shantae-June22002]

This is the one sentence that will make animation fans riot and want this reviewer who's shitting on animation to burn in the fiery depths of hell and rot where the rotten corpses rot.

[@GamerBoy870]

​@@zaranyzeraksame

[@christophermoore5007]

Those people clearly haven't watched shows like South Park or drawn together which are good cartoons that are not for kids.

[@StarwarsFannick]

Yeah no, cartoons are for everyone.

[@anthonysmith3415]

OH WOW, can't believe you're doing a classic styled episode, I'm beyond happy to see this old format return

[@andykishore]

Holy crap, me too.

[@josephfrye7342]

Um 😐 I think this one is just shit disaster you know.

[@jeremyriley1238]

And this is why I am glad to still have my Shout Factory DVD set of this show (which has the bonus features).

[@GamerBoy870]

How much does it go for

[@jeremyriley1238]

@@GamerBoy870 Nowadays, you have to pay a lot of money to get that set on KZbin in complete and new condition (on eBay, one seller is selling brand new copies of the Shout Factory SatAM set for the combined cost of $205.65, combined total being the item price with estimated tax added). My set, however, is not for sale.

[@Rych3rInLyf3]

It really sucks that a 30th anniversary re-release of a beloved show gets disrespected like this. I tried my best to convince Ncircle to at least consider blu-ray but theyre so arrogant in their reserved ways my advice probably got ignored. Its a shame cause every Sonic cartoon has gotten a blu-ray except SatAM and Sonic Undeground. I guess Sega or these companies ar biased against anything associated with SatAM cause even Archie comics gets ignored despite its long ass history.

[@zaranyzerak]

Yeah, the responses you got from that guy really shed a lot of light on just how out of touch some of these companies are. I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying we appreciate your efforts in at least trying to get them to see sense! And you were a lot more civil about it than I probably would have been lol. The Archie comics situation is complicated and just plain depressing. Over 25 years of comics locked away forever because of Ken Penders' ego trip lawsuit (google it if you don't know the whole story). Sadly we'll likely never see new compilations of those because of that mess. At least IDW had been doing a great job picking up the ball after they dropped it. Thanks again for posting those responses for everyone to see, it wasn't what any of us wanted to hear but it shed a lot of light on why releases like these are so lackluster.

[@jeremyriley1238]

I believe so. In fact, I have heard NCircle didn't release SatAM on DVD when they got the rights in 2017 due to Archie Comics having rights to the Freedom Fighters at the time.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

@@jeremyriley1238As a former Sonic fan, I know that the Freedom Fighters weren’t owned by Archie. SEGA does own the rights to the Freedom Fighters, however they don’t want to use them due to their disdain towards the Archie redesigns. Or it’s because SATam wasn’t really that important to them compared to Sonic Boom, or Sonic X, so they just ignored it.

[@thrashmetalfiend]

I had no idea this SatAM Sonic boxed set even existed, and from what you covered in this video, I'll be clinging to my Shout Factory DVD set from 2007.

[@WOLVERINE25TH]

If you're pissed off now, you should check out NCircle's upcoming re-release of Super Mario Bros. 3. The packaging includes Yoshi--from the FOLLOWING series (which tracks since their original complete series release featured cape Mario on the box art).

[@nathanielgilliland9939]

Chris Johnson: "SD is not helped in any way, shape, or form by being on Blu-ray." Avatar: The Last Airbender (an SD show) on Blu-ray: "Uh, my lossles audio would beg to differ."

[@Jared_Wignall]

You’d think those who are continuing to make shows and films available on physical media would do their best to make sure it looks and sounds as good as possible. It’s sad how releases like this keep happening, but it’s not surprising.

[@AkiraLionPilot]

I had no idea N-Circle was still in business. Watching this review, this definitely sounds like one of their releases, even down to the static menu screen

[@Launchpad05]

It's A shame Discotek didn't get A hold of 'Sonic SatAM' because N-Circle did A terrible job with this.

[@josephfrye7342]

Facts

[@thewackywarden]

I can't believe Bluray isn't the standard, even for SD stuff. I love my Diskotek Adventures of Sonic set because I can let it run for hours in the background and I don't need to change disks every 4-6 episodes. I consider that a HUGE benefit. If Bluray was the standard, I actually think physical media sales would improve, because changing disks is almost always at the top of most people's reasons for NOT buying physical media. Now you still gotta change disks, but bluray makes it so you have to do it about 75% less.

[@sonicmastersword8080]

Sonic SatAm is arguably the best made piece of Sonic animated media. Nothing comes close to the nuance and depth of the stories Ben Hurst and his team developed.

[@larrylaffer3246]

The only thing I can really say in the matter about why some media manufacturers still want to use DVD's heavily over Blu-Ray is that; They're cheap to make, and they're a format that has ridiculously wide adoption. I totally agree more people should do the Diskotech thing, but the nature of the beast is this: DVD's are just too dime-a-dozen to be gotten rid of anytime soon. It outlasted it's 2 replacements and it even somehow survived in the streaming age. Something that clearly should've killed it off, much like how VHS killed Betamax or Compact Cassette killed 8-Track.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Word

[@MichaelAarons1701]

I’m so glad you made this video and I stumbled upon it. As someone who _loves_ Sonic SatAM, and who has the original Shout! Factory set, I was surprised to happen on this set at the store a few days ago and wondering whether I needed to look into it. Thankfully I chose not to nab me a copy. I still remember the night I found the Shout! Factory one. My friend walked over with it to get my attention and I snatched it from his hand shouting, “Mine!” He laughed. Immediately looking at it, what made them think this was a good design?! The image of Sonic and Sally together looks like an action/adventure cover that doesn’t properly convey that emotion unless you’re directly familiar with the show. It’s clearly based on Sally hanging onto Sonic as he hightails it out of there. It’s unflattering for the depiction of Sally who is the second most important character (hero) in this show and an icon to this particular entry in the greater franchise to have the derp expression on her face. As much as I don’t care for Ken Penders’ art (I don’t hate HIM though), at least he knew how to create an image that invoked everything you needed to know about the show for the cover on Shout! Factory’s release. The back art is equally subpar and that’s on top of the fact that Antoine has his Season 2 outfit yet Sally and Rotor are in their Season 1 appearance (e.g. no blue vest) and Bunnie has the wrong arm roboticized. But if we use the recent AoStH release, there are so many hidden gems to unearth from SatAM like the original intro that _was_ animated or the original broadcast version of “Super Sonic” used on the ABC Saturday Morning Preview Special where Michael Tavera sings the theme song instead of Noisy Neighbors, or .pdf’s of the unproduced Season 3 episodes or something!😧 At least Shout! Factory understood how important SatAM was to the franchise compared to all other Sonic shows and media given the Archie comic was based off of it. And there are whole new interviews with the surviving cast who have become legends in the industry (Rob Paulsen or Jim Cummings) who could do whole new interviews for this set. This new one seems more like overproduced bootleg.

[@itsjoshua2508]

Why don't all studios actually put effort into their releases

[@briskdarthmaul]

I hope NCircle loses the rights to SatAM, Sonic Underground and the Mario cartoons and Discotek makes SD on Blu-Ray releases! NCircle truly made an half-assed release of one of Sonic's best cartoons! What a soulless cash grab made with no heart or love put into it while Shout Factory's OOP set are made with love and passion! Seriously! Discotek needs to rescue SatAM, Underground and the Mario cartoons from the greedy and lazy sweaty corporate hands of the money hungry cheapskates at NCircle and I hope NCircle and Mill Creek shuts down so we get quality releases of DiC cartoons again!

[@supermariof0521]

This actually feels like something SonicTeam would've put out.

[@silveramyknux241]

6:15 I’m a good example, I loved older media (specifically 90s stuff) for my entire life. And yet, I’m not even a legal adult in the country I’m in.

[@zaranyzerak]

Nice, that always makes me happy to hear when one of the younger generation enjoys and appreciates older culture and media. :) So many kids today don't know what great stuff they're missing out on!

[@realguitarthur]

I am blessed to have the SHOUT release of this from 2007. It truly is MUCH better. :)

[@susanfit47]

After the program's initial run, it appeared on the USA Network's Action Extreme Team block from June 1997 to January 1998. ABC did not replicate this, replacing Sonic with reruns of Free Willy. In September 2003, DIC revealed a new international package consisting of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog and the Sonic Christmas Blast special, titled "Totally Sonic!". The package would also feature never-before seen episodes, digitally re-mastered, color-enhanced versions of the shows with new contemporary music, as well as bonus director's cut "Secret Sonic" episodes. The package will also include Secret, new director's cut Secret Sonic episodes. The release of the Totally Sonic! package coincides with the new Sonic the Hedgehog video game, Sonic Heroes from Sega. It was supposed to be airing in local syndication as part of their DiC Kids' Network and international buyers in all major languages.

[@Anonymouthful]

Imagine if companies put as much time and effort into providing quality products as they do being antagonistic against their own legacy and fans. What a novel concept that would be.

[@mariofanboy15]

Just remember that DiscoTek this year came out with a complete series set of Sonic X a 78 episode anime that did justice to the set and that show came out in the 2000's!

[@SBaby]

They did a series set of Sonic X? Does it have dual language options? I only ask because while the first two seasons are fine to watch in English (for the most part; the Battle arc you might want to switch over), the last season absolutely MUST be watched in Japanese, because the dub loses that much of the story.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

​@@SBaby Unfortunately, it only has the edited English Dub that was put out by 4Kids Entertainment.

[@zaranyzerak]

@Optimegatrongodilla They put out TWO sets, both on SD-BD. One is the English dub, the other is the original uncut Japanese version. They couldn't do it as one set because the episode edits wouldn't conform to both audio tracks, they're different edits. Amazon links: Sonic X (Fox Kids Dub) amzn.to/3EUM6ch Sonic X (Original Japanese) amzn.to/3LDwfCI

[@zaranyzerak]

@SBaby They put out TWO sets, both on SD-BD. One is the English dub, the other is the original uncut Japanese version. They couldn't do it as one set because the episode edits wouldn't conform to both audio tracks, they're different edits. Amazon links: Sonic X (Fox Kids Dub) amzn.to/3EUM6ch Sonic X (Original Japanese) amzn.to/3LDwfCI

[@zaranyzerak]

Yes indeed! And sets of BOTH the English and Japanese versions! I still need to pick up the Japanese set, I have the English one.

[@sonicmastersword8080]

Physical media is not dead yet and likely will not die soon. I can still purchase a myriad of options of DVD and Blu-ray players, and stores still carry hundreds of DVD and Blu-ray options, especially Best Buys. As an addendum-all mediums technically require some degree of physicality. With this in mind, anyone with enough intelligence and the means and resources to do so could preserve digital media in their own physical forms. And it is not as difficult as it sounds. You could theoretically stream to a device and record the data direct from stream and then decompress and decrypt it as a means of making your own media. And for reference, this is permitted under the principles of timeshifting. (Recording media for later watching with any method of recording, traditionally VHS), so long as you do not attempt to profit off of it illicitly.

[@kelvinlion8839]

You made the Adventures of Sonic blu ray look so good that I just bought it.

[@zaranyzerak]

You won't regret it, it's a great set! I actually went and fired it up and binged a bunch of episodes after filming this video to cleanse my soul...lol

[@f0xshadow521]

Just putting it out there, if a pro-quality, fan-made DVD set is ever made, I would LOVE to contribute original/updated music for it! Loved the vid. A lot of us feel the same way about the lack of care put into these releases. It feels more like a last-minute, opportunistic cash-grab rather than a celebration, marring the entire event. Feels crappy. And it's right to be ticked off about it.

[@SoranotRoxas]

I'll stick with the old DvD set for sure now 😅

[@Mario_Sonic_Pro]

It’s crazy that they could’ve done so much better than this. Being reused art and misplaced episodes. Maybe somewhere around the 35th anniversary, they probably put more effort. Keyword: probably.

[@imakemloose69]

I agree 100% I hope Shout would go back and re-release all their sentai DVDs and power ranger dvds on blu. I'm not expecting NEW HD remasters just give me SD content on blu so I know this will be future proof and in a better disc format. I would re-buy all y old sets on blu.

[@hardnine]

You realy were the king of this type of stuff back in the day..as in dvd reviews of 80s animated greats...the depth and details you use to into was amazing and got me into collecting my favourites..spending a fortune on the bci motu box sets...would love for you to return to the subjet more often..would love to see reviews of the 80s animated shows been released on bluray given your stellar reviews

[@zaranyzerak]

Damn, thanks so much! That's quite the compliment. Rants are a special kind of video for me, I really only do them when a particular subject I feel warrants the added...ahem..."energy." But plenty more of of the old style MMC episodes in the works. Rants as the mood and subject matter strikes, Closer Looks, updates, likely going to do a new collection overview soon and hey - it's Halloween season starting in a few days! Already started with the spooky games this month. :)

[@Carter_Skull]

What is the Z-Rant Theme that plays?

[@codemonkeyattack]

I honestly don't think I've bought any new physical media in the past two years that wasn't a Discotek release, everything they touch is treated with so much respect. Hell I only just found your channel yesterday because I was trying to see which Super Mario Bros Super Show DVD sets actually had the live action segments to make sure I wasn't getting screwed by these cheap companies.

[@nicholascooney]

I felt like SD on BD was a good idea because of the storage I didn't know the codec was better. Informative as hell glad I found this video. I'm subscribed now.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

I bought the original series set second hand. Someone had signed it (the cursive is so tight I don't know who's name it is) but I was 100% satisfied because I got a fun series back. Plus a friend I knew had her art put on one of the jacket covers so I was happy to get that. Sad to see this looking so bad but the rerelease of the Super Mario Super Show was also lacking. I have a lot of the early Shout series release so it's amazing how those did so little when 10-15 years ago we got so much with the Shout Factory releases. Edit:....uh...did this Chris guy not see that even Blu-Ray is going down in price? You can still press a nice br set with some decent features and have it be a reasonable price so wtf? Hell, FANS are doing upscaling themselves on their own time for free so to say it's impossible is complete bs. They're missing out on a big cash ticket for series like this and here's the best part. Older fans INTRODUCE the younger gens to these series so having them in the best quality would be nice.

[@GamerJlee]

Hey, 12 years ago I found your channel on one of my original KZbin account during the video "Death of My Computer" I remember following your channel from there with the new PC and everything! Sadly I lost that account and forgot the name of the channel, but as soon as I saw this video, heard your voice and saw the background I screamed "THAT'S THE GUY!!!" I went back and watched those old videos and it was a great time, just wanted to say I am glad I refound your channel and that you made this video that came through my recommended.

[@zaranyzerak]

Hey, that's awesome! Welcome back!

[@Christolclear101]

I love this show, but I agree, this DVD release is pathetic. This release deserves SO MUCH MORE.

[@80sDisneyFan]

I find it weird that this set doesn't recycle the special features from the Shout release considering the fact that NCircle DID actually recycle the special features from older DVDs for their volume/complete series sets of the Mario cartoons, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, and Sonic Underground. Probably a side effect of NCircle being a part of Mill Creek now (who usually don't recycle special features from older releases of the movies and shows they release).

[@pacmancdi]

This new DVD from Ncircle has the episodes in airdate order rather than production order like the shout! set had them. The pilot episode actually did air at the end of season one on ABC. Makes more sense for them to bury it at the end of the season honestly since it's so radically different from the rest of the series.

[@zaranyzerak]

Makes no sense to have the pilot at the end, which places it smack dab in the middle of the series. So we have the "normal" show where everything looks properly on-model and has lovely story continuity, then suddenly go BACK to the janky look and style of the pilot? Nah, put it at the front, get that formative chapter out of the way right out of the gate, then the remaining 25 episodes have no interruptions in style or story.

[@pacmancdi]

@@zaranyzerak I meant that at that time it made more sense to stick it at the end of the season. Perhaps when they made that decision the show hadn't yet been renewed for a second season? I think shows should be presented in original airdate order whenever possible on DVD and streaming. I understand that's not always practical if a show was made for syndication or whatever but this version of Sonic was a network series.

[@zaranyzerak]

Airdate order isn't always the optimal order though, especially if a show is intended by the creators to have a specific flow or continuity to the episodes and the station/network airs them in a different order. Look at Firefly. Fox aired that completely out of order even airing the first episode literally last, and all the rest in completely random order effectively destroying the continuity and making it very confusing for first time viewers. Star Trek TOS was aired completely out of the intended order based on the network feeling that "monster episodes" should be up front to promote the show more as they felt the pilot was too "cerebral" for the average viewer. X-Men The Animated Series literally had episode intended to air earlier not aired until a season or more later, completely messing up the continuity. Star Wars Clone Wars also has a continuity order, the order the creators of the show have said multiple times is the order they would prefer people watch, that also spans across seasons. Sonic SatAM has a pretty clear continuity and intended order to view the episodes, which is absolutely NOT the same as airdate order. And as I said, just in terms of look and flow alone putting the pilot in the middle is very jarring and interrupts an otherwise very pleasant and logical flow to the episodes. Same as if you watched the Star Trek TOS pilot in the middle of Season 1, all the costumes are different, some of the cast is different, several characters have different positions on the crew, etc. It makes no sense placing it where the network did for the original airings. Fine if you want to "experience it the way the world first did," but that's literally the only reason to watch in that order. Airdate order is rarely completely correct. Continuity and intention of the creators of the actual show should ALWAYS take precedence over the often arbitrary airdate order mandated by the network/station. It isn't as sacrosanct an episode order as you might think.

[@pacmancdi]

@@zaranyzerak Fair enough. Season 1 of SatAM were all stand alone stories that could be really watched in any order. But the season 2 airing order works fine.... Although I think "game guy" makes a better introduction to the new season than sonic conversion in my humble opinion.

[@GamerBoy870]

​@@zaranyzerakdude I have the shout factory of Danny Phantom and I hate that the episodes are out of order it annoys me

[@zetamagnus101]

Sad to see something like this wind up being a disaster of a DVD release. Intro music was perfect for a rant video btw

[@PhirePhlame]

The fact that it's a DVD in 2023 said everything I needed to know. That's two generations behind the current standard and could likely hold it all!

[@retrogameraaron4778]

10:28 - Not just that we still have DVD in 2023...stores like Target and Wal-Mart only carry the DVD versions of a majority of their movies and TV shows. Imagine if 70% of the movies being sold in Wal-Mart were still VHS in 2007.

[@hauntman8771]

Wow. Good thing I still have my Shout Factory set. N Circle just made themselves look very ignorant, arrogant and lazy. Smh

[@SpeedSuperSonic]

This video made my afternoon, love the passion and so well done 👍

[@zaranyzerak]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@supermariof0521]

@@zaranyzerak I could've considered getting this for my cousin for Christmas, til you mentioned that the episodes were out of order.

[@billnumber3324]

I bought the Discotek Blu-ray set of Adventures the other day, both to support a more independent studio doing these kinds of releases the right way, and as a slice of pure nostalgia. Looking forward to seeing the episodes in AVC quality.

[@Chris_wizz]

Its infuriating that they didn’t even try, not even a little bit to please the fans,as a fan of the satam series,this is beyond disrespectful

[@Jaksolo]

I remember seeing your old video about the shout factory set it was the first I’d ever heard of this sonic show still have that dvd set to this day that I get to enjoy thanks to you

[@sonicguyver7445]

Damn, they did my crew dirty. I grew up thinking the SatAM cartoon was utter perfection because of how much I loved Sonic, Sally, and all the Freedom Fighters. I'm glad I got the previous DVD set, even if it has Ken Penders shitty art for its cover. Now I don't have to give those jerks my money. Let their shitty 30th Anniversary box collect dust for all I care! And I even own a DVD copy of the OVA! I wouldn't sell it, but I am curious how much it would go for now?

[@titantorre9798]

Did u get the 2003 tmnt complete series or 2012 dvd sets? I love the multimedia chronicles btw your background was always an inspiration to mine which I finally have

[@zaranyzerak]

I have not, mainly because there's apparently a ton of issues with the picture quality on the 2003 set, and I refuse to buy 2012, a full HD show, on DVD. If they put it out on Blu-ray, I'll snap it up for sure though. I need to look into the 2003 set more, I just know I've heard bad things about it. Might grab it on the cheap just to have the episodes I don't already have on the old sets.

[@Wheels8504]

I never watched this cartoon growing up. Only the Adventures series in the afternoon which I loved. Very happy to have that on DVD. I don't understand why these companies are dropping the ball so much these days. Loved the video. Glad to see this format again. As far as the format goes, I have a question that is off topic. Do you think we will ever see Mighty Morphin Power Rangers on Blu-Ray? Everyone says that the show was originally filmed on VHS tape which can't be transferred to Blu-Ray. This is the reason why I only buy TV shows on DVD. My collection wouldn't look right if I had all Blu-Ray but 1 DVD set. I guess I have OCD when it comes to that. Anyway, thanks again. Take care.

[@HyperSonicXtreme]

I still have the original I bought back in 2007.

[@sonicmastersword8080]

Hate to say it, but DVD artwork has been going downhill for years. DVD menus used to be creative and the boxsets had great use of the best of their series-now it is just basic modern, bland internet UI and UX. This is even noticeable in videogame menus.

[@02DooD]

Got recommended this video on my home page. Cool shit, the best videos on KZbin are people talking about something they're passionate about with the wits to back that shit up. Subbed

[@zaranyzerak]

Thanks kindly!

[@AntMil2008]

ULTRA FACTS!

[@chasformer3091]

I'll just stick with my DVD box set of Sonic Satam from 2007

[@Futuredynamo]

I agree with most of what you have said here. However, I think the idea of retiring the DVD format as a whole is a catch-22. When you look at sales data, DVD is still outselling Blu-Ray and even more so 4K Blu-Ray. With physical media, unfortunately, on a perpetual decline, and that gradually having greater and greater impacts (i.e. Australia no longer getting Disney physical media as just one example), killing off the dominant format - even if it is the most inferior from a technical standpoint - is only going to make things worse. People who still buy DVDs and never adopted BD or 4k BD are not necessarily likely to adopt those formats now in response to DVD going away. They may just do more streaming. And if such a huge segment of physical media is cut off like that, it could have a ripple effect on the other formats that could aid in killing them off as well. Don't get me wrong. I agree with you on the advantages of SD BD, and how ridiculous the response from NCircle was. But the sad reality is that if DVD were to end entirely, the result may just be some of these shows not getting released/re-released at all, and possibly physical media dying faster as a whole.

[@zaranyzerak]

I'm not saying just stop DVD overnight, of course that would be ridiculous and catastrophic. There should be (and should have been by now) a gradual phasing out, with SD content solely being moved over to SD-BDs over time. Have combo packs like they did with the two subsequent formats, so you could still have your current format while at the same time future proofing by having the next format ready for whenever you upgrade. It can and should have been done years ago. And to see those resistant and just plain ignorant comments about such from a person in the industry, was infuriating. That kind of attitude is literally holding everything back. Yes, DVD sells well because it's cheap and we're in a recession. Plain and simple. My point is the phasing out process should have started over a decade ago, in which case the present situation may have been very different. Greater adoption of the technology, in a time when streaming was still in its infancy, would have driven competition between manufacturers of the technology and media, driving prices down for consumers. Cheaper players, and with no more competition from DVD, cheaper media - Blu-ray players and discs would be at the price point of DVD now so the price argument wouldn't even matter, it WOULD be the cheap choice. We would be there NOW and DVD would rightfully be a thing of the distant past. Wal-Mart shelves would be lined with Blu-rays as the cheap choice instead of DVDs. Blu-rays WOULD be as cheap as DVDs are now. 4K would be the premium format for collectors. That's my point. The industry has been dragging its heels for so long, clinging to DVD for the cheap production costs (which would also have gone down by now if the tech was more widely adopted and pushed) and short term profits, resisting the very idea of SD-BD to a near ludicrous point, held ALL of that back and now here we are. In a streaming world, in a recession, and a nearly 30 year old format still lingering long past its welcome. A near 30 year old SD format while every other piece of technology we have in our homes for media and content has been full HD for nearly 20 years. Even VHS, one of the biggest and most successful home media formats ever made, was phased out in a proper timeframe. It lingered for a FEW years after DVD came along, then was appropriately phased out to make way for the new format. The same should have happened to DVD when Blu-ray came along, and ABSOLUTELY should have happened by now with 4K the new flavor. We shouldn't have THREE generations of home video formats on the shelves by this point. There should be no more than two. A cheap one and a premium one. With the streaming world on the brink of imploding under its own hubris, and physical media enjoying something of a small comeback as people become more and more disenfranchised with streaming services rotating out their favorite shows constantly and are finally seeing the advantage of actually OWNING the shows and movies they like on physical media so they can watch them any time they want and not be privy to the whims of streaming services, it's hard to say where things will go from here. But one thing is certain - they absolutely messed this whole evolution of technology up by letting DVD linger far too long. At this point, all we can do is wait and seeing how this whole streaming service bubble burst shakes out, see where this physical media comeback goes (and if it's anything significant) then go from there. At the very least, more companies NEED to start putting out SD-BD titles for SD content. That is long, long overdue.

[@tyrannozilla]

There's also a demand for bootlegs of streaming shows because not everyone wants to pay for multiple subscriptions for streaming services. So, in my opinion, physical media is not going away any time soon. I'd also like to recommend Retroblasting's two videos on the subject. The videos were a response to Disney's BS involving the Indiana Jones 5 soundtrack CD: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qX_QhXdmpr2mhLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5C0iZx-r5aIqs0 @@zaranyzerak

[@kenterminateddq5311]

Zaran, this is my first time watching your channel. I don't collect DVDs nor Blu-rays anymore but it seems NCircle are to Blu-rays as 2K are to video games (I'm looking at you, Madden series).

[@SwiftyStardust]

as soon as I saw the words "2-disc set" on the side of the case in the intro, I knew we were in for some shit EDIT: Hell, the entire series is already available to watch on KZbin for free via WildBrain's KZbin channel, which only makes the crappy NCircle release even more pointless. Because yeah, if kids, for whatever reason, want to watch old Sonic cartoons, they're not gonna buy a DVD set of a show they can already watch for free.

[@rayvenkman2087]

As if the Freedom Fighters aren’t being disrespected enough...

[@mythghost]

I love your rants. They are 100% accurate. Also how would rate Sliders SD to blu ray? I’ve heard mixed reactions

[@zaranyzerak]

Alas I only have the DVD, haven't got the Blu-ray yet.

[@mythghost]

@@zaranyzerak ah I’m looking to upgrade as I have the double sided DVDs and there starting to go to crap while playing back

[@zaranyzerak]

Oh man, I hated those flipper discs. Soooo many playback problems! Glad nobody really uses them much anymore. The set I have is the Mill Creek DVD set, which thankfully is at least all single sided, even if they put a bit too many episodes per disc and the packaging is horrible.

[@mythghost]

@@zaranyzerak I’m tempted to buy that. Except mill creek is notorious for not including any extras

[@zaranyzerak]

Well yes, it's barebones, but at least it's not flipper discs.

[@jacobkrehbiel8426]

Haven't seen a rant from you like this since the Star Trek Blu Ray overview! Love it!

[@zaranyzerak]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed!

[@sonicwatcher]

Incredibly well spoken Z, I have several SD-BD's and love them as products that deliver the best that can be done with older SD releases. After the release of the adventures of Sonic the hedgehog series on SD-BD I was really looking forward to the other Sonic series being released that way and it's very disappointing their licences can't make that happen 😢

[@1Soniccool]

N-Circle is giving the finger to the adult collectors who want to collect the shows on Blu-Ray so if they do this again then no one will get there stuff from N-Circle Entertainment

[@pierrelewis6819]

To have original or original-ish pictures on a Blu-ray. DVD collection, will be nice and also, to have all of the cartoon episodes in order, that would be fantastic and even if it was a lazy box cover, I say, put everything in order.

[@DontforgetPercyproductions]

The more unfortunate thing is sonic Satam is one of the better Sonic shows along with sonic boom

[@1983jcheat]

I loved that show as a kid. Urkle Sonic was great. 😂

[@zaranyzerak]

Agreed! I remember being so surprised when I found it was him him back in the day, but he really nailed the right attitude for Sonic.

[@josephfrye7342]

But not quite the case Michael j fox voiceing this particular Joseph the bat: they are just assholes

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Remember, if NCircle saw this and sued you, this video’s canon. No wait NCircle doesn’t own Sonic. Does SEGA even own the DIC Sonic Cartoons?

[@shardsoftime0952]

Sonic SatAM fans like me ar STARVING for content, we can't even have good re-releases, IT'S NOT FAIR!!!

[@shadowkirby2007]

Well said. I agree with you on this 100% A lot can be said on video games as well..these companies targeting the wrong audience.

[@PastelAfroMetalhead]

I’m born in 1999 (Just an Old Gen Z) I first watched this show in Netflix 2013 when I was 12 years old unfortunately. But I grew up with plenty of older Disney movies(40s,50s,60s,70s,) and mgm movies even Don Bluth films which I love it … I’m glad I found this video however. I’m very disappointed they haven’t put much effort on this . If only DIC did not sell there business out. Hell I was looking for special features at least. Not quite sure why they didn’t think of putting it in Blu-ray however ? But of course we would f****** want that!

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Thanks for the information, I’ll gladly stick with my 2007 DVD release.

[@txag007]

Proud dad moment, I have a 4 and a 6 year old and they love Sonic. We've been watching each series on streaming, but have been meaning to pick up physical copies.

[@heinrichfletcher6954]

90s child here. Despite I buy digital but I still collect physical media (I won't lie that I also collect DVDs because it may not have a blu-ray release.) and don't know why they think that. I find it nice to have them and it's because of people like AVGN and others that influenced me. How can us viewers post a pic of our shelves? Btw you got a sub.

[@zaranyzerak]

Welcome aboard! No real way to post shelf pics here other than to do a video and post it on your own KZbin channel, though we do have a "Shelfies" channel just for that sort of thing on my discord.

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Man SD-BD is such an amazing format with phenomenal results, but so many ignorant companies don't capitalize on it because they don't bother even trying. Imagine seeing Transformers G1 on SD-BD, or Thundercats and Voltron amongst many others. The possibilities are endless; yet instead of putting effort, they'd rather resort to outdated formats then giving the fans what they deserve.

[@spidertaz82]

I know this is off topic but thoughts on the live action Sonic films and the recent Mario Bros film?

[@alexashbourne6496]

I heard that NCircle will release the complete series of The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3. That set will contain 2 discs although, unlike Sonic SatAM, TAoSMB3 have all 13 episodes with 26 segments. The one thing that baffles me was why a Yoshi from Super Mario World appeared on the back cover (both as a image and a screenshot from said show)?

[@zaranyzerak]

Oh, did you never find Yoshi in Super Mario Bros 3? I loved playing with Yoshi in Super Mario Bros 3! Yoshi was my favorite part of Super Mario Bros 3! :P (I'm joking if anyone out there doesn't get it) Ugh. Some of their package art decisions are both baffling and lazy. It's like not only do they not care, they don't even know anything about the franchises they're tying up the rights to. So they split a single 13 episode season across two discs, but can't split a 26 episode season the same way? Wow. I mean, even if they had added ONE more disc to this set it would have made a huge difference. 8-9 episodes per disc would have been fine.

[@Monacomaverick]

I saw this for sale at Target and was taken aback by it. I was tempted to buy it again even though I have the original DVD set. After watching this, I'm saving that money for Sonic Superstars! WOOT!

[@WolfFreelandFalloutkid]

I got mines by the time it came out and the quality looked pretty bad and it does looked like its from an old VHS. Thank Goodness I have the Shout Factory DVD release of it. with a ton of features and take each time to make it looked better. Glad I found that show back in late 2019, even though I never grew up with the show. Anyway, the 2 disc set wasn't a very good re-release. I'll keep it just for the sake of a re-release. crazy I've been a fan of that show in early 2020. I knew N'circle should have release the show on Blu-ray and I was right -_- Don't understand why the companys has to be so lazy by making a type of release or re-release like this, It's Ridiculous.

[@MoltoRubato88]

"THAT'S NO GOOD!"

[@DennisTamayo]

Would you have get the original Animaniacs complete series DVD box set & the upcoming Dexter's Laboratory complete series DVD box set?

[@zaranyzerak]

Probably at some point, neither is a big priority

[@Tysenberg]

You’re wrong about no kids buying this stuff. I’m 14 and I have many friends both the same age, younger and older that’s into collecting physical media we appreciate this a lot. Me personally I only use streaming unless I absolutely have to, I always watch my movies from my dvd, blu-Ray, or 4k collection. If Ncircle did an actual decent job I would 100% buy this but from what I hear nah I think I’ll pass.

[@RandomBlackGamer]

Unfortunately you and your friends are in the minority, not the majority.

[@reap_25]

Glad you're supporting physical media kid. I applaud you and your friends.

[@sharksbean]

The one of SatAm I have is from shout factory with fan illustrated art on the slip cover, the cases and the FOUR count them 4 discs.

[@GeohToy]

slightly pretentious but point is valid.

[@fictionalmediabully9830]

What isn't pretentious these days? 😂

[@MathieuLeblanc1991]

4:46 Yeah AOSTH's home media rights are with Bohbot rather than Wildbrain, the former currently have a partnership with Discotek

[@SuperFalcon2579]

As an individual who was born in the year 2000 and who was practically raised off of cartoons from the 80s and 90s I gotta say this Chirs individual should be fired from his position at ncircle and replaced by someone who actually can give a crap

[@davidcallinicos1976]

DVD is an outdated format. "I don't want those filthy DVDs infecting & contaminating my beautiful precious blurays"

[@zaranyzerak]

"It belongs in a MUSEUM!"

[@realsonichedgehog4954]

as for myself, I love watching old cartoons to see how the show begins I know DVDs are outdated but remember I don't have a Blu-ray player in my bedroom I have a DVD player and a CRTV it's hard to find a Blu-ray if you have low-budget money like the good old days watching TV that's why some shows I pick up on DVD to enjoy and watch as myself I just want to watch the show and enjoy it without special features nothing just watch it if I want special features I will have a Blu-ray copy in case

[@HydraSpectre1138]

What’s sad is many popular HD-produced shows still get DVD-only releases. Bluey is a show with a massive following among both kids and adults. But it still gets only DVD releases, with no Blu-ray in sight. Despite being produced in 1080p. But even more adult shows get DVD-only releases. Fox’s New Girl, a TV-14 live action sitcom, only has a DVD release, despite being made in 1080p HD, but at least the entire series made it to DVD. And even more baffling is 13 Reasons Why, where only the first two seasons out of four got a physical release, and only on DVD despite being shot and made in 4K UHD, with Netflix streaming the series in 4K. I don’t even like 13 Reasons Why but it’s baffling they didn’t commit (no pun intended) to releasing the entire series on DVD, or maybe even Blu-ray. And the show is TV-MA, even when it’s also marketed to teenagers.

[@benpodvia5744]

they should just come out on both dvd & blu-ray.

[@HydraSpectre1138]

@@benpodvia5744 Yeah. And 4K Ultra HD too unless the show was only ever made in 1080p and wouldn’t benefit much from an upscale.

[@optimusprimegenerationone919]

I say this is fucking bullshit of N circle for not doing blu-ray shit.

[@user-tp4qq7fr2l]

once again I find the freedom fighters getting screwed over by sega. And this is why I don't pay as much attention to their products anymore.

[@andykishore]

Happy to see another one of these types of videos from you again. Indeed this DVD is garbage and especially insulting for an anniversary release.

[@joeykirkpatrick224]

I personally don't think it's THAT Bad, because at least it's the Complete Series and the Cartoon is how we remember it: I have it and I love it.