Sonic Superstars is... fine, I guess

i played sonic superstars! well... it sure was a game.
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[@toob4858]

lego knuckles

[@yaggo]

yeah

[@YourMomsHousehold]

yeah

[@fraggysituation]

yeah

[@igordalloglio]

Yeah

[@LinkRammer]

Lego knuckles

[@LamestLameOK]

It's funny because I can remember back in 2017-2018 people in the Sonic community were worried that this exact thing would happen. That the Mania devs wouldn't return, and Sega would half ass a sequel to one of the highest rated Sonic games in a long time.

[@astrotrain3332]

It's incredible. Sega couldn't make a good Sonic game, they finally admitted they can't do it and hired fans to do it for them. Then they didn't properly pay those fans and basically forced them to leave. Then once again Sega's arrogance takes over, and they prove they don't know what they're doing. It's just sad. All they had to do was properly pay the Mania Devs, and I'd still be giving Sega money. But Sega hates money I guess so, skipping this one.

[@musixroxs5792]

@@astrotrain3332dude no the mania devs went to go on and make their own game they even confirmed it didn’t end in bad blood and this games level design is really good

[@GenWorldTV]

​@musixroxs5792 they ended cause Sega didn't want to give US what we wanted. Pixels and COMPLETE 2D Sonic.

[@joaquindiaz3621]

@@GenWorldTV no, people wanted a illustrated artstyle for the new one

[@RameNoodls]

@@GenWorldTVwrong pennys big breakout was in development before superstars

[@GMast_]

Sega... never let Jun Senoue near a Genesis soundchip ever again.

[@Bathtub_Sodium]

I'm never gonna get over the fact that this game partnered with lego

[@Jaknife101]

I'm assuming it's just a reverse part of the collab they did with Lego Dimensions years ago. Makes sense honestly, sonic in one lego game, lego in one sonic game, blahblahblah...

[@personguy2262]

They put them in Sonic Forces Speed Battle (that multiplayer mobile race) too, I dunno how to feel about their faces

[@Qoobon_]

​@@Jaknife101or MAYBE a promotion of the new Lego SONIC theme??

[@Wantsomechips]

​@@Qoobon_or for Money and to expand the sonic brand for little kids

[@creeptrap3104]

I distinctly remember in Alpharad Gold's video that Alpha and Jo constantly got stuck in Pinball Carnival Act 2 because the coasters were weirdly bugged, and that the camera would constantly focus on the character falling to their doom (Although tbf they were stubbornly trying to pass without the coaster) Oh also iirc in the Mario Wonder video Alpharad mentioned there were alot of bugs in the main video he was making on it lego knuckles

[@weebcraft6829]

So unfortunate that this game came out so close to Mario Wonder, a game that is getting rave reviews for being experimental

[@CrazyDoodEpicLeaves]

Sonic Superstars looks pretty mediocre either way, probably wouldn't have ended better even if they released it long before or after Mario Wonder

[@cameronshephard9466]

They should have delayed this game just to make it come out further after wonder

[@MacenW]

​@@cameronshephard9466hugely agreed

[@challengerjakku1943]

The game would have been mid regardless, if you have to delay your game because it looks bad compared to your competitors then the game is bad.

[@St1ckyGrape]

​@@NoCash19 brother i played as princess peach the entire game, perhaps i'm mistaken but i don't think she needed any saving this time around? (also, though admittedly a bit pedantic, mario doesn't wear an elephant costume, he literally transforms into an elephant) as someone who's honestly not a big fan of 2d mario, the game really surprised me with how fun and interesting the worlds and levels were. practically every level in the game had some meaningful enemy variety, new mechanics, and a wonder flower which radically altered the level and always left you wondering what was gonna happen after you pick one up. on a personal note i really liked the other new powerups as well, the bubble flower and drillshroom were neato. idk man, i thought it was great. granted i didn't pay for it, but i don't pay for any of nintendo's games. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, since it's clear you DID play the game and that you know what you're talking about.

[@Anths_art]

So basically it's a "New Super Mario Bros" situation. Not bad, but bland and very samey?

[@litapd311]

the first new super mario bros wasn't bland or samey, there were a lot of different things they included to differentiate from the nes games. the wii and wii u versions though were absolutely bland and samey

[@Anths_art]

@@litapd311 oh i know that. Ds and Wii are my favorites in the New Soup series. 2 and U is more of what I meant when I commented that. Wii had enough to make it stand out from DS IMO

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

​@@litapd311 I disagree. The Wii U version is the only one that felt repetitive at that point. The Wii Version is like the 3D World to 3D Land of the "New" series.

[@kevin_kevinson]

My Game crashed right after eggman flipped the hourglass on the last level. I thought Egg finally won he broke reality.

[@vicctretamaj]

We need to move past the “good enough” standard for the latest sonic titles. They need more polish

[@mr.sentryanddispenser]

Sadly Sega doesn't want to give sonic team enough budget and time for that,which is strange considering Sonic is their most popular franchise

[@suedonnym]

they rly saw mania and were like yeah let's regress

[@gengargamer5657]

No, not really

[@brandonadam7167]

@@gengargamer5657 yes really. This game was supposed to appeal to a more nostalgic audience who favor the 2D side-scrolling formula. Except they missed the mark by a mile.

[@gengargamer5657]

@@brandonadam7167 Yet it's selling really well and has an 8.9 in audience reception

[@kaobunn]

​@@brandonadam7167i think its moreso sonic fans hyped this game up far past what they were meant to

[@iantaakalla8180]

So then, we are to take for granted that Sonic games will never be good and that Sonic 3 and Adventure 1 were flukes?

[@Scott...]

I know it’s called CLASSIC Sonic for a reason, but I wish they would do something completely new with Classic Sonic, and Superstars COULD’VE been that game. Before Superstars came out I wondered what a big budget reimagining of Classic Sonic would look like, and now after Superstars is out… I’m still wondering. This could’ve been something great, but instead they tried to succeed Sonic 1 for the fourth time.

[@LobotomyTC]

I'm going to assume you think New Super Mario Bros. Series somehow isn't also exactly this, when it objectively is to an even worse degree.

[@butterfreedom5357]

@@LobotomyTC New sups are functional games without a thousand bugs and sections where your character plays itself for 10 seconds so Idk. They aren't exciting but do their job much better.

[@lukebytes5366]

​​@@LobotomyTCthe first two weren't , and who mentioned that?

[@invisibleloki26]

@LobotomyTC bruh stop it with that crap. The NSMB games get critiqued by fans who even GREW UP WITH THOSE GAMES. these nsmb fans who think they are perfect games, are they in the room with us now??? boy what a desperate argument, especially when the nsmb series is officially retired, and a new 2d mario game just came out that addresses the criticisms of those games. Like im sorry, it must be really frustrating that some middle aged plumber has been upstaging sonic since the gamecube era, but making up strawman arguments is embarassing copium.

[@M0mazosMissy]

​@@invisibleloki26hello that's me what do you want?

[@reklem2]

When everyone raged at ign for saying the game was too slow in the first playthrough, no one stopped to think that this indicated sonic 1 level design instead of 2 and forward... And here we are

[@Jdudec367]

Eh...nah it's really not too slow.

[@StaticBlu2]

That's the thing about the soundtrack for me the lack of consistency between many acts. In most Sonic games the acts would borrow elements from the previous acts whether it the melody or even the hook. Doing so always made the level feel more cohesive and like the player was progressing through the level. It would change but stayed familiar. And the less I talk about the boss music the better. The soundtrack is by no means the worst but there are a lot of sound design decisions that are holding it back from its true potential.

[@bramteunissen1841]

It's so sad we're never getting a full new Sonic game from the mania theme. Looking at how amazing Press Garden and Studiopolis were for example, a full game of that calibre of creativity would be amazing.

[@derple8524]

Honestly, it's best if Mania is a one time thing. The developers already are working on Penny's Big Breakaway and it looks amazing, both Mania and that shows what they could do in future projects onwards as independent developers. As for Sonic it's best for Sega to keep Arzetz, for their first 2D Sonic game they did pretty good, best to keep them around and have them improve with upcoming 2D Sonic games. Let's Sonic Team off from doing them as they need to focus on redefining 3D Sonic thanks to the feedback and Spin Dash from Frontiers

[@Mafon2]

Sega Japan can't stand that Americans do better Sonic games.

[@kathy444]

as a huge fan of sonic 1 and CD’s slower more precision and momentum focused gameplay i fucking hate this game, superstars being compared to sonic 1 hurts my soul because superstars is actually terrible while sonic 1 is a beautiful game with so much depth, all superstars is at face value is a compilation of old zones but with worse gimmicks, bottomless pits, and five million dash panels. It genuinely insulting and it’s officially broken my trust with sonic team (having trust for this long is insane if you ask me), also the game does fang so dirty it’s ridiculous, the other characters are characterized poorly as well

[@samcandles]

theres so few bottomless pits in this game though

[@kathy444]

@@samcandlesbottomless pits exist in all 2d sonic games it’s just way more of a problem in superstars, It’s really bad it’s dare i say almost close to sonic 4

[@lupinthenerd439]

you have never playied this game lol

[@CanaldoZenny]

The only thing wrong about this game is the price tag, otherwise it is exactly what they advertised: a new classic Sonic game made by one of the original creative minds. As a veteran I can attest the level design is really good, but more reminiscent of Sonic 1, 2 and CD, where Mania's is S3K. After more than a decade of automation and boost to win game design, it is nice to have a Classic Sonic game that is not afraid to not hold your hand, like the Mega Drive classics. This game is old as it gets, there's no hand holding. Speed has to be earned and maintained through good gameplay and mastery of the game's physics and level design. I found Sonic Mania way too easy and didn't much to offer to a veteran besides nostalgia - which had zero effect on me because I never stopped playing Sonic games. However, releasing it for 60 USD was very stupid. This is a 30 dollar game at best.

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

having just done a marathon prior to playing the game, Sonic 1, CD & 2 have far more fun level design.

[@lupinthenerd439]

With the exception of forces, the new 3d games are not boost to win, hell the game punishes you if you brainlessly push the boost button

[@joaquindiaz3621]

@@lupinthenerd439 just like Sonic CD

[@internetguy7319]

so the game is not fun unless you play it several times, and it's barely worth playing once good game design (and ftr, this is also a jab at the original Sonics besides 3K, they're not very good either)

[@lupinthenerd439]

@@internetguy7319 if you don't like them then why are you here?

[@samuffert]

Dude you have 0 idea how busted local multiplayer is, i dont know if it was an issue with my friend's pc or with the steam port but we encountered a shit ton of issues during our full playthrough it was hilarious -For the eggman fight in the carnival stage if you skip the cutscene you can't move your character and you need to wait until eggman finally decides to hit you, i had more than enough time to play the "Standing here im standing here" video on youtube, on repeat -The camera freaks out whenever there is anything pinball related going on and cant keep track of a "party leader" to get the hell out of the zone -If you get outside the screen for even less than a second your character despawns and you have to wait like a second to spawn again -If the tails player decides to fly he will pretty much inmediately take camera priority -Speaking of camera priority sometimes you can go faster than the "party leader" and despawn from being too good at the game -If you fall off the road on the boss for the voxel stage then the other players will be teleported towards the hole and everyone will likely die (tails and amy can save themselves with the double jump or flying) -The final boss' looping arena sometimes cant decide how the fuck it should scroll and just blinks in and out of existance, sometimes even despawning people and killing you because it also affects the controls -The game constantly running at a pretty stable framerate but in some setpieces shit falls to around 20 making it almost unplayable The final boss was so poorly designed for multiplayer that our strat to beat it was literally commiting suicide so our pal could finish the bossfight without the jank, it was hilarious but holy fuck i wouldn't have payed 60 dollars for that

[@ANoobInvoid]

Basically their development of bosses are extremely poor for both singleplayer and multiplayer

[@DaBwownGodthiwa]

this game was apparently made by arzest aka the same people who made yoshi's new island and balan wonderworld so i hope that sort of puts things into perspective

[@shaunj66]

Wow. That comparison at 6:47 💀

[@brandonwilliams6119]

>Reusing the Mania Level Clear Jingle Superstars really is just Mania 2 but Monkey Paw’d in certain aspects >Not all of the music is good to some >Levels are either hit or miss with their design or gimmicks >Bosses drag on for an eternity Those are some of the few examples.

[@MrLedhed123]

most levels do their job that I argue is definitely not the issue but the bosses and some music especially at its worst I say it's boss themes.

[@derple8524]

Bosses are 100% a problem in this game, they are a snooze fest

[@brandondyer6546]

Most of the game is too slow paced and having to wait every 15-30 to land an attack on a boss is very stressful.

[@joaquindiaz3621]

The bosses had multiplayer in mind, that's why they drag a lot, the levels seems to flow better with one player or 2

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

​@@joaquindiaz3621 That's a problem.

[@joaquindiaz3621]

@@user-be3qc7re9o yes that's what i said, i said the problem and ways to go around It

[@ANoobInvoid]

Even more so is the fact that you can even trivialize bosses simply through the emerald powers.

[@lupinthenerd439]

Use the powers

[@Butwhythough881]

It’s funny how Frontiers’ post launch updates showed how important it is to give constructive feedback and not just snuff it out as “fans being ungrateful.” Now Superstars came out, people provided constructive criticism and folks are snuffing it out and have just completely forgotten Frontiers’ updates fixing criticisms.

[@Soniman001]

Update 3 is like the most disliked sonic experience in a long time

[@Fresh_YT]

​@@Soniman001 I loved it

[@maverickREAL]

It's because it's 2D. 2D games can apparently do no wrong.

[@arkamkage7718]

⁠@@Soniman001because of skill issue and knuckles delay😂

[@e1iteyoshi998]

That's the Sonic fandom for ya. You're better off playing the game for yourself and just ignoring all reviews until you play it.

[@rayminishi689]

It's safe to assume Sega is keeping Sonic on life support with as little insurance payments While splurging all on the Yakuza series

[@KatZEdition]

That's not how game budgeting works, every studio has to pitch their own ideas internally and then the studios have to ask the head company for funding on these projects. When asking for funding the studio might be presented with requirements by the head honchos such as deadlines, changes in the game, etc basically the funding of Yakuza has no impact on Sonic

[@hyperstarman6848]

For the music, the only place I think the Genesis instrumentation would be fitting is in the mechanical levels, but even mix those in with some modern instruments

[@jgn]

1:49 that's... literally every single quality arcade game ever made and the MO of sonic even then you only need like 2-3 runs to fully enjoy a stage

[@supersonicplushworld2956]

It literally is 💀

[@elliotmcknight433]

Have you heard of or tried Freedom Planet 1 or 2? They're very close to 2D Sonic games, just with a bit more combat which is decently fleshed out. Very good level ideas, character movesets and music, would highly recommend them if you haven't

[@derple8524]

I played 1 and thought it was okay, still waiting for 2 to come to Switch

[@rofidel178]

The 2nd game main campaing lasts forever but it's still fun

[@mrbox9654]

Saying its fine describes it perfectly

[@JordanAdventure1]

If sega adding freaking denuvo on everything wasn't enough. They added bloody EOS. Thanks sega very cool....

[@pinktrutle1490]

They took out the epic thing

[@JordanAdventure1]

@@pinktrutle1490 can you show me an article or something that indicates sega did it to indicate its true? Just to be sure

[@SilverSpireZ]

@@JordanAdventure1It wasn’t taken out. They just moved the login prompt to the Battle Mode screen.

[@personguy2262]

I’m familiar with Denuvo but what’s EOS? I know that term by other games End of Service, and it is horrifying

[@JordanAdventure1]

@@personguy2262 epic online service

[@kelshnoob1566]

For that same 60 bucks you can get freedom planet 1&2 which is like quintuple the content and really good quality. If you see this please show them some love

[@SilverSpireZ]

Freedom Planet 2 is such an awesome game, and it sucks that by the time it released, it got completely overlooked. The original is also really good, but 2 fixed every single issue I had with 1. Genuinely one of the best 2D platformers I’ve played in recent years.

[@kelshnoob1566]

@@SilverSpireZ Frfr, I'm hoping with the console releases, it'll get some more eyes on it

[@cliffturbo2146]

​@@SilverSpireZ For real. People are missing out on such a great game.

[@Sundrey438]

Or you can just buy the best 3d sonic since gens

[@ANoobInvoid]

Freedom planet is really great and very underrated for the sonic fandom!!

[@jaredtherock5692]

I'm okay with safe. But I think I'm numb knowing damn well we weren't gonna get that high of quality the moment Christian Whitehead wasn't in on it, and just helped them get the Retro Engine going. It's competition is honestly what kills it the most. I knew damn well we were not gonna get another Mania the moment it was announced. Once I grabbed the feel of the controls, I knew it was gonna be like Sonic 1. And Trip's campaign is actually nice considering that most levels felt better than most of the original campaign since the level design is actually centered around her moveset and the fact you have all the Chaos Emerald powers. Press Factory can kiss my fucking ass, dude. And for the love of God, they gotta stop forcing Jun on limited instrumentations.

[@sezunemizuhana3870]

Sonic has been "safe" for so long though, pretty much since 2010..... They should finally do something bold again.....

[@Butwhythough881]

Playing it safe would’ve been a reasonable thing to call it if this was back in the late 2000s or early 2010s, but it’s 2023. Sonic has been playing it safe since Colors and Generations. SEGA flopped their own Western reboot Sonic Boom which made them play things even more safe. Now that Frontiers took a bug risk, and it paid off thanks in part to the updates, playing it safe isn’t as effective because we see what’s possible, especially when it comes to letting folks give constructive feedback. I can pass Superstars off as a small and easily forgettable misstep, but saying that it’s ok to play safe at this point in the ball game is null and void.

[@jaredtherock5692]

@@Butwhythough881 I'm okay with safe because I know they can not pull off a good game without some steep asterisks. This is the same company that greenlit updates that turned Sonic Frontiers from a solid 7/10 game into an optional 5/10 game. Sonic Frontiers paid off, and still managed to become a mess of a game a whole year later. It's honestly a miracle that Superstars came out the way it did and it's because Evening Star basically confirmed their Retro Engine is at its foundation.

[@gapfmmadeira8339]

​@@jaredtherock5692why do you think the updates ruined sonic frontiers? In my opinion it made the game a lot better

[@jaredtherock5692]

@@gapfmmadeira8339 It got over ambitious and the bugs and design flaws show its rushed state. The pop-up is worse due to the bloated level design, and exploring went from being fun to now a large chore with character specific routes. Some characters feel like a poor imitation of their previous counterparts or are oddly tonedeaf (Amy invalidating one of Knuckles' most well known traits is hilarious and bad.) The game wants us to truly "master" their janky combat system where the cracks of it really show by the end of the Koco challenges, which reminds me that in addition to that, plus their form of "challenging boss fights" is dodging a barrage of cheap attacks that will kill you due to the lack of invulnerability frames when getting hit with rings. Like, the only positive I can say is that the story is kind of cool? But it ain't enough to keep me bearing the unfinished product that they promised was gonna get updates to presumably fix some of that. Instead, we got a new section of the game that shows the cracks in this game's design more than ever before.

[@nezzedmeg4856]

You offended me. But you were right with the bosses😢

[@mentaldisability9413]

I haven’t played this game nor do I plan on playing it. But it’s rather sad on how Sonic as a franchise has just become okay at best and only been made recently to have sells. Really shows how AAA greed destroys some games.

[@menstesticles]

It's nearly always been okay at best since sonic 3 and knuckles

[@mariahanover9335]

Sonic Mania is literally the only Sonic game that is better than just okay.

[@menstesticles]

@@mariahanover9335 and it's one of the only ones that isn't made by sega 💀

[@arichenry4573]

​@mariahanover9335 That's the case if we ignore every mainline game on Sega consoles except potentially CD, Unleashed, Gens, for me personally Black Knight, Frontiers after all the updates, and Superstars. And probably more I forgot.

[@MelonHoard]

@@arichenry4573 The Sonic Rush trilogy is actually pretty fun.

[@Orangekhoi14]

I never really used the Chaos abilities outside my second play through or Trip's story mode. That emerald mini game straight sucks, and is a bad time. Dispite it's faults, I had a good time with this one. Collecting badges for metal character parts is also a good incentive to keep playing through parts of the game. For those sceptical, give this game a wait until the price drops, then give it a try and maybe get the Lego dlc. It's worth it in my opinion, plus watching the characters move as Lego characters is funny and made the game more enjoyable.

[@shu7429]

The people who say this game is better than mania need to be locked up

[@jensennwong]

One step closer to Lego Mario and Sonic at the Lego Olympic Games.

[@milomumbles]

lego :D

[@yaggo]

lego :)

[@darky1677]

imagine releasing this shit the same week as another ACTUAL 2d platformer and spider man 2

[@lupinthenerd439]

Imagine calling a game bad without playing because a youtube said it was mid in his disingenuous opinion

[@darky1677]

@@lupinthenerd439 yeah i didn't play it because i'm not about to spend 60 on mid. i've seen plenty or reviews even of mega sonic fans and they say it's not the best. whether your bar is so low that you like it,you have to recognize that dropping it that week was a bad idea.

[@lupinthenerd439]

@@darky1677 imagine lecturing people by calling their standard so low while admitting you are a sheep following blindly what other youtubers says. I guess now 75 on metacritic and forming my opinion by just playing the thing is not good enough anymore

[@thekingslayer2178]

Trip’s story really emphasizes all the game’s problems. Every level feels like Metropolis Zone from Sonic 2 with the slapadash enemy and spike placement. Bosses have been given twice as much health, and there were a few that took me over an hour to beat. The final boss of Trip’s story is literally the hardest thing I’ve ever done in a video game, I’ve put in over four hours of attempts and I STILL can’t beat it. It’s honestly ridiculous, and it makes the main story seem so much more fun in comparison.

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Them reusing the mania stage complete song instead of making a new one feels very cheap

[@PVZ_SunRay]

personally, I love this game. the new chaos emerald powers are a welcome change, the zones (for the most part) are pretty good, the music in most zones are decent (Bridge Zone act 2 😩 though), the visual style, in my opinion at least, looks clean. maybe not the best in places, but I quite like it the special zones are ok and the bonus stages..I still hate them i can agree with most of the bosses being pretty meh as well tbh I know alot of people think this game is just okay, or mediocre, but I really like this game and It’s probably my favourite sonic game (i like my simplicity and sometimes its just nice to have a chill experience) HOWEVER, the price tag is definitely a bit much, i think £25-£30 is the most it should be, anything higher is kind of a pisstake thats just my opinion though, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions ofc

[@corywashington9580]

Yeah, I'm shocked at the negativity. I'm having a lot of fun with the game (more than mania honestly). It feels good to control and has more new things to offer than mania did. Also, since when did rewarding second playthroughs based on branching paths in level design become a bad thing? Sonic isn't about going fast, it is about speed being a reward for good play. At this point I feel the fanbase won't be happy with anything Sonic does and only appreciate it later after another new game comes out

[@elmemearana]

Definitely agree, but Bridge Island Act 2 music is pretty good lol

[@WuhHuh]

I acknowledge how samey/boring the “faux Genesis” songs sound, but you gotta admit that Press Factory’s music slaps, or at the very least Act 2 does

[@PVZ_SunRay]

@@WuhHuh cant really disagree with that

[@PVZ_SunRay]

@pvz-kangaroot pvz gang

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

@6:53 StudioOpolis Zone 1 boss + Tails+ that Music= BADASS FAVORITE MOMENT OF THE GAME. So cool!

[@Skibidicumlord22]

Lego knuckles makes the 60 dollar price tag worth it

[@jordanwhite352]

It's interesting that you said how later on the game becomes more claustrophobic and slower pace like Sonic the Hedgehog 1. Considering that one of the reasons why second went for a rest in the first place was for Tashima sonic creator who was big on Sonic 1 and Sonic CD so that at least checks out.

[@charleston1848]

i be wanting to play the game but it’s so expensive for what i’m seeing about the game, even when it’s on sale it’s too much

[@GELTONZ]

8:33 oh wow so THAT'S why that day 1 patch was so big! I got it on Switch and yeah, none of those things happened to me. But I did grab the patch and was baffled at why it was so huge.

[@radu9944]

day 1 patch. it destroyed the last hope for me for the game

[@Caliber30001]

True, this game feels kinda unfinished and have a lot of room to improvement hly fk someone tell Jun to not fucking touch again a genesis synth for the sake of god

[@GengarGuy999]

6:53 Hi-Spec Robo Go is such an absolute bop, easily my favorite Mania song and one of my favorite songs in general. Thank you for giving it the love it deserves ❤

[@slumburger1145]

I had the same opinion honestly. Ironically despite Frontiers being just as all over the place quality wise, I have much better feelings about it and i honestly find it to be the better game over all. Frontiers at LEAST felt like Sonic team were trying something new and wanted to apologize for the meta era by replacing Pontac with Ian Flynn, and that's games music is fantastic imo. Superstars is just so bland and corporate comparison. It's funny too, I knew the game was going to be mid the moment I saw them reusing Classic Sonic again but i got tons of hate on Twitter for even remotely being skeptical of the game. I'm so tired of Classic Sonic nostalgia man, I just want a new 2D Modern Sonic game with new playable characters and mechanics.

[@ANoobInvoid]

Sonic Superstars was co-developed by Arzest.... Creators of Balan Wonderworld🤮

[@iantaakalla8180]

@@ANoobInvoid And yet, this is the best game they have put out, simply because they probably needed to put some effort in because it is a Sonic game. It is ironic that I can claim that, but somehow Sonic has staying power and that garners some respect no matter how little it means.

[@GameAW1]

Modern Sonic outright cannot do Classic Sonic style. At all. They are two wildly different character and video game styles. And yes I know its coming so let me nip this one in the bud: The Sonic Advance games played NOTHING like the Classic era in the slightest. Classic Sonic was all about getting through obstacle courses using only moving, jumping, and maybe a spindash here and there. That's it. And with this very limited moveset, you can do incredible things. The levels were all designed to focus on platforming first while allowing you to (with skill) coast along them seamlessly. Sonic Advance completely eschewed the platform focus and instead was all about going fast and your reward for playing well was not dying, punishing you with unfair deaths if you weren't skilled. Not only that but you had a plethora of different tools in your kit (save for Advance 1 sort of) to get you there, from tricking off of ramps to boosting to using your partner in 3 for all sorts of mobility advantages (where classic only had Tails and even then only if he was player 2 as a sort of co-op bonus than anything.) The two are night and day. And that means the only way we're getting simple games focused less on story and more on simply being a video game is with classic Sonic who is the poster child for that sort of thing. You cannot have a game play like a Classic Sonic game and use Modern. They tried that twice already. Its called Sonic 4.

[@pengil3]

If you're wondering, the shitty genesis-like tracks are 100% Jun Senoue. It's literally just sonic 4. We all know what he's capable of, he just needs to back off from the shitty instruments.

[@piranhalettuce]

The sonic game of all time, sonic fans sure are eating, something.

[@_cloverking2032]

I disagree with alot in this video tbh. Also, I feel you hold mania up way to high tbh when its got quite a bit of problems that you keep ignoring. Its an alright game for sure, but it's half original in stages and the content is lacking even more than superstars by a bit tbh. Superstars isn't a perfect experience and i do think some of your critiques are fair and make some sense. I also think others are the opposite entirely. But thats just my 2 cents.

[@ANoobInvoid]

60$ price with underwhelming music is the most painful thing that the game gave me.

[@Tom-jw7ii]

I disagree about Mania. While the small amount of truly new and unique things is low, everything else about the game is an improvement over the classic games. The controls and level design are better than any other game in the series, and the graphics and music are also much better than the originals. That’s why it’s so disappointing that Sonic Superstars is just OK. It should have been so easy to take Mania and turn it into a new game with all-original levels, but they had to do it the hard way and make it 3D just to get worse results.

[@woah8921]

⁠@@Tom-jw7iiwhy does making it 2.5D have any impact on the quality of the game? It literally is just the physics and controls of mania but with more original stages, youre talkin like thats not exactly what it is

[@Tom-jw7ii]

@@woah8921 It takes a lot more work to make 3D graphics look good than pixel art. And that’s work that Sonic Team doesn’t really seem equipped to handle, as their last game wasn’t much of a looker either. The end result honestly just looks cheap, which is ironic because it probably took significantly more work than it took to make Mania’s pixel art to get it to look as good as it does.

[@woah8921]

@@Tom-jw7ii so your only problem with the game is the visuals?

[@abderahemanenejjam1094]

If anyone’s fit to review sonic, it’s none other than yakko himself

[@plabcentral630]

I hate to say blown out by Mario but dang sonic really needs to give me another mania or colors to get me back

[@Comeonfhqwhgads95]

Personally, I love the game (besides the price, shoulda been 40)

[@TheNoiseRator]

Jun senoue made those sonic 4 sounding songs

[@dogonit1936]

oh god poor sonic fans :( feels like they never get a break

[@Limbogummy]

if yall want a polished fun and charming sonic game than play pizza tower

[@ANoobInvoid]

Mastapiece game with garbage fandom

[@Comeonfhqwhgads95]

Pizza Tower is nothing like Sonic besides the speed factor

[@bababobo5067]

Sonic “fans” whenever a new Sonic game comes out that isn’t exactly like the original trilogy: “I don’t like it, and you shouldn’t like it either”. I think there’s just a subset of people who really want to dislike anything made by Sonic Team. To try and make some sort of point or whatever. Because there was no innovation or evolution in Mania, yet that doesn’t seem to bother this guy.

[@internetguy7319]

because mania was good and this game wasn't good it was also $20 and came out first

[@bababobo5067]

@@internetguy7319 Who decided this game wasn’t good? Your favorite KZbinr? Can’t think for yourself? I thought Mania was bland and boring. Since you listen to other people so easily, shouldn’t you listen to me now? And you just proved my point that this video is bullshit. This guy doesn’t care about innovation or evolution of level design or whatever else. He just wants more of the same.

[@kelshnoob1566]

@@bababobo5067 it was I Lord of all sonic who decided it was bad, yakko got his opinion from me

[@bababobo5067]

@@kelshnoob1566 I can believe it. He definitely seems like the type who listens to whatever negative stuff other people say.

[@kelshnoob1566]

@@bababobo5067 grow up dude, criticizing media is important in letting the medium improve, people are as much allowed to hate a game as you are to like it, and to be honest i think he was being nice all things considered. There was no mention of how frequent the game crashes on a stable, consistent hardware like the switch, I can still consistently recreate crashes with the day 1 patch out, and the fact that this shit's tied to Denuvo, which tanks the games framerate, and also needing epic games to use the multi-player for no good reason. I still have a lot of fun with the game but it's by no means a good game, especially with the 60 dollar price tag.

[@memey822]

Nice edition to the “Play Sonic Mania instead” genre

[@dagoon6326]

Honestly you hit my criticism right on the head with this, can’t wait to see what the modding scene puts out there in the coming months.

[@baval5]

Its just so mind numbingly mid. Like yeah its kinda fun but I dont want to replay any of the stages or anything because none of them felt fun to go through, even with super. They were either hold right to win or exceedingly tedious stop and go. AKA Sonic 1, like you said.

[@epic_sans8229]

Read your comment again, it’s contradicting itself. The game is “kinda fun” but “none of the stages felt fun to go through”? It’s either one or the other because you either liked the game enough to finish it or you didn’t. It’s why people hate when someone says the word “mid” because it’s barely an opinion, and sounds like the person didn’t even play the game.

[@baval5]

@@epic_sans8229 Its not a contradiction at all. There are points in the game where I had fun, but the levels all overstay, have annoying gimmicks, and are one way runs. There was only a couple of levels where I thought "man I never want to play this level again" but there wasnt a single one where I thought "that was so much fun I want to do it again". There are plenty of levels I love playing in Genesis Sonic games and Mania, and go back to load a save just to play them. The game is completely fine to play through once, its not frustrating or boring enough to want to quit but its not enjoyable enough to want to play again. Thats mid. Sonic 1 is the same way. Everyone loves Green Hill, but then you get to Marble and its like "oh yeah, the rest of the game is like this".

[@mikdan8813]

-are you having fun? -for $60, I have to

[@TheFallenStar64]

I get the reason why you're complaining about their only being local co-op but could you imagine trying to play through a Sonic game with lag and no real way to communicate which way you're going

[@A_Windmill]

Mannn, why can't they just make a PC game that plays off of the Advance series. Those games' gimmicks were rarely bad, it was just the tiny little screen that made Sonic's gameplay loop (heh) less viable.

[@AlphaZeroX96]

Considering that the comment you chose to pin is "Lego Knuckles," I don't know if I can take you seriously. Please don't take that as an offense. Anyway, what's wrong with having local multiplayer? It's become a rarity in modern games. I feel that online multiplayer did more harm than good. As for the soundtrack, well the ones you considered bad were done by Jun Senoue using the Sonic 4 sound style. Which explains why those songs weren't as good as Mania's.

[@jeandeasd]

I heard that Trips campaign on this game is one of the most difficult things sonic has released in the past few years, have you tried playing it already?

[@dariuscox3576]

Yeah, the Chaos Emerald powers in this game is the textbook example of a “gimmick” that doesn’t do much to enhance the gameplay. The only ones I found quite useful is Avatar and Bullet (and Super Sonic, of course). The other ones are either incredibly situational or borderline useless. And those “prompts” that show up at times in random and specific spots just kills the pacing and momentum of the game. Also, I kinda hate that once you get hit if your Emerald Power is in activation, it goes away completely, and have to wait until you reach a checkpoint. Like, wouldn’t it be better if you can still keep the power even if you get hit, and just let the timer goes down as normal for the power to deplete.

[@chuckecoop4082]

Got a Sonic superstars ad for this

[@M0mazosMissy]

I'm tired boss

[@neothetorch5021]

"Only being enjoyable after putting a lifetime speedrunning practice" Yeah, you can ask your own Pizza Tower review about it.

[@greatdevourskeleton7685]

this video and few others have made questioned, is there any sonic game that has consistently good bosses

[@LinkRammer]

No

[@emperortoho]

rush adventure it accomplishes this by shortening the wait time between attacks and removing s from bosses in exchange for them getting more health

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

Sonic Generations

[@mrpro538]

Sonic Unleashed, Generations and (somehow) Forces

[@XavierClanck2]

3 & Knuckles, Mania

[@ToxicAtom]

The thing is with the Press Factory/Genesis-esque instruments is that they're the same instruments they used in Sonic 4. Yes, _that_ Sonic 4.

[@e1iteyoshi998]

I personally thought it was an 8/10. It's not trying to be like Mania and i honestly feel like that where a lot of underwhelming views came from. Superstars isn't trying to be like Mania it's more so doing its own thing and experimenting with some things working and others not.

[@BRKsEDU]

We have very, very similar opinions. So brace yourself, because my opinion pissed off a lot of people 🤡

[@ericf.a8623]

jumpscare do Edu do nada kkkk

[@zer0vini]

Ala o cara chama o jogo de decepcionante por puro clickbait e depois não quer tomar lapada na internet KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[@thefastcommenter7774]

Hating

[@starclysm]

Não esperava ver o Edu num vídeo americano

[@apersoniguess_]

You guys think it’s gonna piss people off, what’s really gonna happen is that all of a sudden people will copy your opinions word for word and put down everyone else who thinks otherwise because God forbid anyone form their own opinions

[@Sithedd]

Thanks for spoiling the 5th character. Real cool.

[@Comeonfhqwhgads95]

I mean it’s a review of the game you should probably expect some spoilers for it

[@butterfreedom5357]

I feel like the only good "go fast and mantain speed" game is Pizza Tower. Levels aren't boring until you memorize the layout. They are fun the first time and ends up giving you heartattacks the tenth one. Never felt that with a Sonic game.

[@mr.sentryanddispenser]

Spark 3 is also pretty good,but in 2d platformers Pizza Tower is truly a king of speed

[@shiina4826]

KNUCKLES WITH THE LEGO?

[@LinkRammer]

lego knuckles

[@prisca7766]

Im pretty sure this thumbnail is from Archie sonic tree puns section

[@AlphaPHK]

When he was mentioning other 2D and 3D platformers, I was waiting for him to mention Freedom Planet 2… Them I remembered that he was talking about incredible 2D/3D platformer games 💀

[@derple8524]

Dang

[@woah8921]

Its super weird to me seeing people be like “this game isnt innovative enough” and using frontiers as comparison, like werent yall asking for more classic sonic after mania? Werent yall hating on frontiers a year ago? I just feel like too many sonic takes these days are cynical, only to completely flip around after like a year or two

[@DonutSwordsman]

Ur like, the first easy level let's me go fast, but the game gets harder and I have to get good to go fast in the later levels... cmon now.

[@Rubes-be7qd]

Truly the “dark souls” of Sonic games 👍

[@dunderbruh8160]

fucking xd dude 😂😂😂😂

[@Sundrey438]

Sonic frontiers: the final horizon is the dark souls of sonic

[@Sundrey438]

I just realized that It was a joke

[@Comeonfhqwhgads95]

This game really makes you feel like sonic

[@zalgo694]

this game looks like it was made in game builder garage

[@Worstfreelancer]

.... when did yakko make a second channel?

[@killakira346]

The music...its music alright 🧍... (Why did jun do this to us 💀💀, the rest of the ost is pretty damn good)

[@CameronJettLamb]

I just wanna know why it is $60? Like in what world?

[@raulrojas9253]

Sonic has been downhill for me after Unleashed, yes Unleashed was a good game. I never understood the appeal of 2D sonic I just found then boring so I didn't even bother to try Mania.

[@ANoobInvoid]

The appeal is the momentum based speed gameplay, building up the speed and manually turning sonic fast through the actions of momentum makes it incredibly satisfying to play the 2d classic sonic games. Trying atleast sonic mania would atleast make you understand what makes it fun. if you choose not to play it, its fine not to understand it, as long as you don't say that it is part of sonic's downhill.

[@mobster503]

The game may be pretty mid But you can play as Lego Knuckles, 10/10 its a mastapiece

[@ANoobInvoid]

Lego knuckles

[@shawntorres6262]

I think too many people expected SS to be like Sonic Mania or Sonic Frontier in 2D style. If anyone don't like classic 90s 2D Sonic games style then this game isn't for you or anybody. But i expected this game to be old classic Sonic so I'm not expecting anything out of this world mind-blowing but with few new bells and whistles. I guess people got spoiled with Sonic Mania that they forget or no longer care of Sonic 1-3&K style games. My only gripe is the price point which is a quite pricy. Sega should have started with a $40 price point. Mario Wonder can get away with a $60 bc the games are A+ consistent quality with very high replayability. But i will be adding both to my library but Sonic Superstars i will wait til at least $40 at the most to jump in. But least try enjoying this game bc we probably won't see this style game or Sonia Mania style for a very long time.

[@castform7]

I'm with you on the music. What I liked about 3 and Mania's act 1&2 tracks is that they would be different tonally but have the same...progression (I'm not good at music terminology). A perfect example is Hydrocity. Both acts have different paces but but still feel connected. I'm only half way through the game so I could be wrong but the only zone I felt did this was Bridge Island. The others feel not necessarily bad but diconnected or from 2 different zones. And imo the Genesis-like tracks are low 6/10's at best and feel like Sonic 4 got it's 3rd Episode. Sonic usually gets no complaints from me in the music department but Forces and Superstars are mixed bags and while I'm still not super far into Frontiers, anything that isn't the boss music has just been okay so far.

[@zeroshadeslayer3000]

I gotta agreed price opinion, was too much if added others stuff into maybe but 59.99 was just too much

[@BobzBlue]

sonic soup

[@kyperactive]

Mods, crush his spinball, thank you.

[@junebop1571]

I'm still stuck on the final boss of the game because i fell through the floor 10 TIMES

[@Frustratedartist2]

The years is past 1994 and a Sonic game is mediocre? Who would've thought? Me, on the day they revealed this game, that's who.

[@LobotomyTC]

"I felt like I was just playing the Genesis games again". Yeah, that's the entire point. Glad you picked up on that one, it was super subtle. Blink and you miss it.

[@internetguy7319]

thats a bad $60 product in 2023 the idea for the game is just bad

[@LobotomyTC]

@internetguy7319 then don't buy it. New Super Mario Bros., as a series, is what Superstars is, but much more creatively bankrupt, and nobody complains except for me. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

[@AchanCham_]

Wait, you have had a second channel all this time? Well, I'm glad I found it. Thank you for this video! I hope you have some great fun with the upcoming 2d games you mentioned.

[@derple8524]

Same, I didn't know either till after the video I was like "his voice sounds familiar" then I saw the icon

[@Mr.Hyper1222]

But why didn’t you put a spoiler warning. I can tell this is a cool video, just looking out for the people who haven’t played yet considering how new the game is.

[@deslardesslok]

I JUST GOT THE PLATINUM FOR SONIC SUPERSTARS 2 DAYS AGO AT 4:51p.m. 10/20/2023 AND IT IS CURRENTLY 1:00p.m. 10/22/2023

[@Sebboebbo]

Da king is back baby he neva miss