Sons of Liberty Gunworks 13.7"

[@johnnyringo8312]

Your Cutting diamonds with odd ball lengths 16in is ideal 95% of time for civi and Leo So …. why does it matter

[@SageDynamics]

Because not everyone agrees with your opinion and random percentage you included to make it sound more credible. Also LEO=Civ.

[@Jerkasaur]

there's still time to delete this comment lol

[@Ikem5546]

Can you please “pin” this comment so we can ratio this fool? LFG

[@slowmo7500]

It’s not an “oddball” length. You’re disregarding that there are functional advantages to more compact rifles. Which is..goofy.

[@williamd8867]

This lets you get as short a barrel as possible without a tax stamp. It’s not for you apparently, but that doesn’t mean it’s not for everyone.

[@Minutes-Mils]

Built out my own 13.7 for the reasons you mentioned. BA barrel, Midlength gas, with the nox. Threw in a high quality bcg and a good handguard, and have fallen in love with that particular combo. Definitely a great compromise for the times we find ourselves in.

[@ericdoubleu5390]

I have a 13.7 Hudson p&w w a sons BCG!

[@johnpelfrey2041]

I did the same but went 13.9 so I could utilize the Hanson Performance series. It has been a tact driver regardless of what ammo or grain I've ran.

[@tylertapp131]

Something else that works well with the middy gas 13.7 is a giessle super 42 braided spring with h3 buffer. My rig loves it, I shoot basically 100 percent suppressed but it seems to run just fine unsuppressed with it aswell.

[@zachgregory1289]

Built a 13.7 with roscoe barrel and warcomp and had a gunsmith do the pin and weld. I assembled everything else with Geissele parts kit and the super 42 spring and h2. Soft shooting system and my go to training larp machine.

[@johnpelfrey2041]

I used Tubbs flatwire spring and a heavier buffer, it is a night and day difference.

[@RyanF311]

I have an IWI 12.5 and I went this route. My local shop had an SOL 13.7 barrel so we did a barrel swap and pin and welded the nox! Runs like a dream! Barely notice the length added

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[@gregglass119]

Great video! Of all my ARs, my SOLG 13.7 is my absolute favorite. With a pinned WarComp, it gives me a touch over 16" in total barrel length. This setup gives me what I consider the perfectly balanced rifle that doesn't sacrifice too much velocity to get a highly maneuverable rifle.

[@Lightrunnerr]

Pew science says that the warcomp isn't that great suppressed with an RC2, as opposed to the 3 prong (or other SOCOM muzzles with labyrinth seal rings). Not sure if you've tried suppressing it. And I don't think any surefire muzzle device with labyrinth seal rings can make 13.7" legal without excess shimming.

[@kxkxkxkx]

@@Lightrunnerrthe .308 version warcomp is long enough if you use a threat adaptor 😙

[@nicholasdangelo8174]

I run a Sons 13.7 in competition and man she is a tac driver. Never had an issue with reliability, unless my ammo was acting up. I like to run a 3 port comp or a Turbo K suppressor. 500 meter hits are no problem and I love running it in small areas. She is fast as F man. Damn I love your reviews and thanks for making feel even better about my purchase.

[@VictorOGzz]

Did you have someone break off the original muzzle to replace it? I’m confused by the whole PnW rule. *Ran a SOLGW BCG on my last AR pistol build

[@nicholasdangelo8174]

@@VictorOGzz no I built mine so I didn’t have to deal with muzzle device issue. If you buy the barrel separately you get it without a pinned and welded device.

[@slowmo7500]

Good vid. I love my 13.7. My solgw is, by far, my favorite, most trusted, go-to rifle.

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[@joshjosh575]

Next atf ruling will be nothing less than 16 period, then after we comply like suckers, atf rules nothing less than 20 period. We need to stop this compliance.

[@tejas_verde]

Sad but true 😂

[@wood-wheel-wizard]

Exactly wut I been sayin! They don’t care about your licenses/permits and in fact rather you w/o. Build, don’t buy! Stop bootlicking yourselves into a registry! We must be united together for non compliance and complete defiance!

[@MrKlein83]

You act as if semi-auto rifles will still be legal for purchase in the near future

[@Raymo2u]

Better to sail through plates with

[@guntypesnlifegripes]

Go ahead and start something

[@svtpower03]

I built a 13.7 this year and I absolutely love it. Feels so much better then my 16in guns. 13.7 rosco barrel with a solgw nox.

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[@HatsuneM1ku01]

I’ll stick to 16 for that extra velocity since 556 is heavily dependent on velocity

[@svtpower03]

@@HatsuneM1ku01 lol ok 🤷🏻‍♂️ good for you. The difference is minor. Stop being a boomer. Go research the difference.

[@nickadkins7765]

​@@HatsuneM1ku01only makes a difference if you run 55gr M193. If you run 77gr (which you should) then I could pretty much guarantee the 13.7 running 77gr is going to outperform a 16 running 55gr in every aspect. Time to catch up with the times!

[@tomweaver7723]

@@nickadkins7765except in a SHTF or civil war type situation, you’re going to come across M193 more often than not.

[@woahdude3853]

13.7 has seemed like a perfect length for a do all rifle. Good GPR. just a grab and go. Cqb if you have to. Long range if you have too. A master of none type thing. Makes almost more sense than a 14.5,

[@Indye41]

More companies need to get on board with this

[@Indye41]

@Bro Jackson guess back when I built mine the selection was limited. Good to know 👍

[@austingarbett3996]

13.7 is fantastic. I competed with one in the 2021 season and won competitions with one. Was able to make accurate shots out to 300 yards.

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[@torranceparsons5216]

Love the 13.7”, def feels faster and more wieldy then the 16” with minimal disadvantages

[@martialbushcraft]

i appreciate your "competitors" rifle in the background

[@jeffpittman8725]

I built mine with the BA 11.3 and its been very dependable and accurate. I intended for home or car with a can. I have other setups for other needs.

[@Croak1]

I built a 13.7" BA Hanson with a pinned NOX last year on a BCM M4 upper with 13.65 Midwest rail, and JP SCSS. It's my go-to night gun now. Using a DBAL D2, since a MAWL just wasn't in the budget. :) ETA: A SilencerCo ASR three-prong will also get you to 16.01-ish, just needs a couple thin shims.

[@jimmybronco5336]

I had a Warcomp pinned a year ago on a 13.9 and its still the best thing I’ve ever had done to an AR platform.

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[@thad.actual]

Admittedly I'm a huge SOLGW fan boy because of the quality of their products and their outspoken stance on 2A issues. My Son's 13.7 has been my go-to for a few years now and I can't say enough good things about it. Just an incredibly versatile and capable rifle, performs great in a variety of situations. Everyone should own one.

[@davidhoffpauir1963]

Yes sir love mine as well. Switched out the barrel to a noveske 13.7 and kinda regret it. Sons barrel on the weapon had it perfectly gassed to a T. Now it's over gassed throwing brass at my 130 ton2 o'clock

[@sunnycat69]

I love that they support 2A Politicians like Dan Crenshaw and tulsi 🙄

[@collinb.8542]

I wanna get a SOLGW 13.7 like in this video but I doubt my local gunshops will ever have one. Sad times.

[@cerebralfirearms]

That tomahawk is my next full rifle. God I want one of those beautiful looking firearms!!

[@vegeta420z]

I'd encourage people especially Oregonians to support POF Arms, they make a great product and are actively involved in suing the gun grabbers who put this measure 114 BS into effect. Show support for a company that supports your rights. 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@nicholasemerson9852]

I do support local firearms manufacturers. That's why I run solgw. But I'd really like to get a PWS upper. The piston AR wouldn't be my "go to" but it intrigues me.

[@coltonscarbines7589]

I'm running a SOLGW 13.9 pinned and welded with the nox keymo. I absolutely love it. Its noticeably shorter when compared to a standard 16 inch. Not much, but noticable.

[@ParanoidWarpig1]

Even a 14.5 is noticeably shorter for me then a 16.

[@geebeaux]

@@ParanoidWarpig1 Because they end up 16" anyway....???

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[@hopewilliams6705]

Thanks I am excited to join you on Patreon after the first of the year and will be my only paid subscription.... It's worth it!

[@jollyroger9998]

One thing people forget about pin and welds on ARs is the barrel can be replaced

[@leroyjenkins4811]

Exactly. Barrels wear out or you might just want to put a different one on the gun. And it’s not even that hard to do. If you have a vice, a wrench for the various types of barrel nuts, and head spacing gauges to make sure everything is ok, you could do it yourself. If you live in a decent city with a good selection of gunsmiths, you can have one of them install a new barrel for you.

[@contractor556]

@@leroyjenkins4811 only had my AR for half a year or so… stripped it all the way down every part, barrel off etc only thing I didn’t mess with is the milspec trigger. It’s easy. Couple KZbin videos.. and obviously having the tools needed but I LOVE the AR platform and looking to build my next one… 13.7 lol

[@srvntotlrd]

Something some people need to keep in mind....a 14.5 and 13.7, 13.9, they are all going to end up being the same length, unsuppressed. Suppressed, the 13.7 saves a little bit of space and the muzzle velocities end up being suppressor dependent. The choice between 13.7 and 14.5 then ends up being what muzzle device you will use.

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

I have a solgw 13.7" patrol sl with a p/w nox, a solgw 13.9" with a p/w fcd 1215km brake, and a solgw 11.5" sbr thats going to get either a nox or a 1215km. I do find that the nox tends to overdrive the rifle negative a bit with strings of fire, but it is manageable. Excellent blaster!

[@michaelslisher4652]

One 14.5" P&W (carbine gas) and one 14.7" P&W (mid-length gas) here. I've been thinking about getting a Surefire closed tine and having one of my 16" barrels cut for a P&W with it. After shooting the shorter ones, it's amazing to me how much better they feel / handle / look than a 16" does. You wouldn't think that 1.3" to 1.5" would make much difference.

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[@nickadkins7765]

Imagine if you had the VLTOR A5 buffer/tube/spring and changed the carbine lwngth gas to the proper mid length setup 😉 I bet you'd REAALLLYYY be amazed at how it feels/shoots then

[@mghegotagun]

Perfect timing on this video. I was quite curious about 13.7's for a few days now when I was thinking "what would I use if the NFA didn't exist?" My priority is that it needed to have a midlength gas system. That only left me the question of 'what is the shortest barrel length for a midlength gas system that can run under the most situations, with the most loads, with minimal drama between suppressed and unsupressed'. At this time, we know 14.5 midlength works, but how much further can we push this envelope? I hear 12.5 can be finnicky, and IWI is the only manufacturer that comes to mind that may have done it right. Is 13.7 the least one would need for a 100% reliable midlength gas gun?

[@poisonouslead85]

Probably. Lots of people (myself included) are running mid-length 13.7" guns and the only problems I've had have all been magazine related. Don't leave pmags loaded lmao.

[@kevspss]

Love the setup on the table with the ctr stock. Sweet

[@user-ed5jh3ff6u]

Yo big A, not to get off topic, but I thought I would train with canted dot only so when I occasionally use LVPO I would be trained for using canted dot, it seems natural to shot canted, what do you think. Thanks man, see you on patreon.

[@SageDynamics]

I like canted much more than top mount.

[@SnapD24]

I'm glad you brought this up. I love my 12.5" Criterion SBR, but I was trying to figure out if a 13.7" (possibly pinned and welded for interstate travel) might be the ticket for me. I typically hate muzzle breaks for everything (even long-range/precision shooting). I was thinking about trying out the Nox though, which you have on a rifle in your video. Would you say that the concussive blast is anywhere near the concussive force one would experience with a muzzle break in confined spaces? Also, do the majority of your 13.7s have red dots or LPVOs?

[@shmike3775]

Ive shot my 13.7 solgw indoors and its nothing like a full comp. Slightly more blast than a flash hider but nothing really to worry about. The first time i shot it i was just amazing how flat it kept the muzzle without producing a ball of flame lol.

[@JimneyCriquet]

The nox is nowhere near the concussive blast of a normal brake

[@nmhockey5]

i love my nox

[@CallofWar5]

Nox is great but the concussion breaks the threshold for being uncomfortable for people next to you. And I would prefer my flash suppression than recoil control personally. A bit more flash and concussion, for a bit more recoil mitigation.

[@arikjohnson412]

13.7” has been my standard in all 5.56 rifles/uppers for a few years now.

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[@jenynce]

That’s a beautiful looking rifle

[@beardly0121]

Where can I pick one of these up? I'm in a state that will most likely face an AWB at the state legislature level in the coming term and I want something like this ASAP but I can never find 13.7" rifles in stock anywhere from any companies. I'm torn between something like a SOLGW or a Type A. I am also considering the Ballistic Advantage Hanson series 13.9 as it seems far easier to acquire. Any input from anyone in the know is very welcome.

[@EverythingisFire]

Are you opposed to assembling or having assemble a pieced out upper? Find a sweet barrel you like (BCM, DD, Criterion, Roscoe, etc.) in 13. something-14.5".

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

Big Tex Ordnance, Aim Surplus, Primary Arms, all have stock. Plus many other dealers.

[@beardly0121]

@@EverythingisFire I ended up going with a BCM 14.5 and honestly I friggin love this setup. Its a tad bit longer than 13.9 or 13.7 obviously but not enough to matter and with the BCM ELW barrel its extremely handy. I really, really like it.

[@davidcraft8524]

Love that Veil Solutions Tomahawk

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[@AJ-gk7bn]

Appreciate the interesting video friend. I previously only owned one AR, which was a 11.5” braced aero pistol. I refuse to register/destroy/turn in any of my personal property but still wanted something on the shorter side so I went with a 13.7” too. Super stoked for it to get here. It’s one of the new PSA Sabre uppers with the quad rail and FN cold hammer forged barrel. Figured you just couldn’t beat it for the price and all the quality components. What kind of optic/sight would you recommend on a gun this size? Was just using a red dot before but have been wondering if a lpvo or prism might be a better idea with the added range of the longer barrel.

[@davesbrewing]

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[@inahurrytooften3121]

I am initially wary of pinning and welding, but you make a convincing argument to it’s validity. I’m a Dead Air suppressor fan boy so would obviously go that route.

[@lucion511]

Dead Air has a fantastic mount option. As you are probably aware, they helped propel the industry standard HUB universal suppressor 1.375x24 TPI. So you can use their keymo mounts, with any suppressor company that uses a HUB rear end to attach the Keymo adapter.

[@Bender_B._Rodriguez]

Deadair is like q, lots of hype, not a lot of good performance.

[@timyang4710]

13.7” or 13.9” pinned&weld is the way to go! I went with a different AR company…BGdefense: TYPE-A 13.7” contractor. Can’t wait.

[@brinkofinsanity672]

Type A makes a great rifle. You will be very pleased!

[@aaronsarquist3382]

Aaron I gotta say I saw in your last video you spoke about the ratio of noise to signal in communicating and dealing with the comments. I didn't think it was such a big deal but after reading some of the absolute cancer coming from some people in the comments, I get it. It also convinced me to join the Patreon. Can't wait!

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[@tlee1982]

Love my Sons of Liberty Gunworks 13.7 AR. They are solid.

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[@bap2139]

Keep in mind the SOLGW 13.7 with their recommended A5 buffer set up won't run steel case in case the poors are listening. Of you can throw a suppressor on and it will run everything. Or tweak your buffer set up.

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[@CancelLuis]

If they can afford to buy a solgw I’m sure they can afford brass

[@bap2139]

@@CancelLuis SOLGW is not expensive.....

[@billydanzz]

Been rocking 13.9's since the last go 'round with ATF "opinion" letters about shouldering braces.... Never looked back since.

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[@rodneycook3674]

If you attach a huxwrx flash hider to this rifle and put their can on it wouldn’t it be the same OAL as 14.5 with same set up?

[@saleen12]

What's your favorite optic for the Tomahawk?

[@Maniac742]

My only beef with pinned muzzle devices is they are rarely the muzzle device I actually want. If I got to pick the device they attach to the barrel, it'd be practically a non-issue. I almost never change out my muzzle devices except when I first get the rifle. Once I pick one, I leave it on there until judgement day. If I want a different suppressor host, I usually build an entirely new gun.

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[@ssharma1384]

Is SOLGW's QC process as exacting as BCM's ? I find the later tends to run cheaper so even if they do indeed have similar QC processes BCM for me is still the better value proposition.

[@aaa3d473]

Better qc. Better warranty. Wayy better customer service from solgw imo. BCM has the better barrel in my opinion being chf chrome lined but that’s just my preference.

[@tx611]

Complete BCM $1300. Complete SOLGW $1900. Easy choice.

[@ssharma1384]

@Aaa3d Why do you say better QC? I'm not sure you realize what a huge statement you are making. BCM's QC is well documented, on Video . They have custom made devices to inspect every part of the AR. And they do inspect each and every piece, or nearly all of them. Where is the proof SOLGW does the same? Not statements but actual proof ?

[@nathankimbro2639]

Growing to love dedicated direct thread cans and have considered pinning a can to get that 16”

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[@Lightrunnerr]

Could you buy it as a pistol, and then get your local gunsmith to pin and wield the suppressor once it gets approved?

[@davidgaines8607]

Damn. Saved the best for last.

[@dcuffie1424]

How is working doors or vehicles????

[@DerrickCuffie]

13.7 is a fantastic lenth compared to my old 16". The maneuverability is night and day .. especially whje grabbing it while in my police unit. You get distance when necessary and csn still work cqb areas when needed.

[@makevelicustoms]

When is you’re review of that SBR AR10 you’ve been shooting for a while now coming out? Ps I’m going over to Patreon to support you bro you have some of the best content there is in firearms. Have a Marry Christmas

[@s.k.788]

Aaron, would like to hear your thoughts on direct thread cans - had a bad experience with keymo and started thinking maybe the way for me was to have a can each for my four rifles instead of messing with qa/qd stuff. Thanks, and see you on Patreon!

[@christoperdevore3617]

He has stated previously that is actually his preferred setup.

[@Aksbug90]

I am currently building a 13.9 myself. With a majority SOLGW parts. Are the receivers usually so snug you have to all but have to "hit it with your purse" lol. That's one of the reasons I got it because it was tight

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[@scott2228]

I have 2 builds in progress that will answer a question I’ve had for a while. What’s shorter, 13.7” with a NOX or 14.5” with Xeno with the silencer attached? Will know soon enough. Sierra-5 is in “jail.” Just need to make a trip to the shop and measure. Should be close!!

[@keithwolfington7013]

Outta curiosity what was the answer?

[@scott2228]

@@keithwolfington7013 the 13.7” is still shorter by 1/2”. So the question becomes: is 1/2” worth the drastic reduction in muzzle devise selection? Or worth any potential drop in velocity?!?! I’m undecided.

[@keithwolfington7013]

@@scott2228 I feel like the muzzle device options/weight savings might be a bigger consideration than 1/2”

[@pharmer92]

About to buy one. But I’ve seen reports of poor accuracy. In the 3-5 minute range. Shooter and ammo always make a difference. What has your experience been with their accuracy?

[@drewbaglin1632]

Since I couldn’t get a A5 system when I built mine I follow their recommendations of a blue spring with h buffer

[@arielfeldberg4770]

From the over 2500 fps with a 77 grain i understand it's a mid lenght, am I right? As everone now you barely increase velocity from 12.5 to 14.5, so have such a velocity with a 77 grain, over the average of what a 14.5 will give you - let me please ask you if you can make a velocity test video about 13.7 mid length vs 14.5 carabine. Pleae 🙏❤ (not everyone have so many guns 😂)

[@tarbo187]

I wish SOLGW would make another run of your carbine 👍

[@rjperez2617]

Not much a difference but because I like surefire products, I run a criterion 13.9” with a surefire warcomp. 13.9” core rifle with VLTOR A5 tube, A5H2 buffer and Geissele super 42 rifle spring. Shoots super smooth and flat

[@poisonouslead85]

13.7" is such a great middle of the road length. The downside to 13.7" is that it makes buying anything else from 11.5" to 16" pretty pointless once you own a 13.7".

[@benb50001]

I need to buy some of that IMI 77 gr. My go to factory ammo has been Defender 77 gr for accuracy and cost reasons, but it's 100fps slower than you chrono'd the IMI, even through a 16" barrel.

[@jbarres80]

Any word on just direct threading a Suppressor to bring to 16 is that a thing

[@jakelarsen17]

Since you’re P&Wing the muzzle device either way, what advantages do you really get out of a 13.7 vs a 14.5. I feel like 14.5 gives you more options as to what muzzle devices you can use to get to 16” and also a tad more velocity

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[@CallofWar5]

You nailed it, but the 13.7 is noticeably more handy when maneuvering. Had my 14.5 govt profile, then picked up my buddy's 13.7 hanson profile...and well, fell in love pretty quick. You really just need to try it.

[@jakelarsen17]

@BlowinLoud8799 I hadn’t thought about the suppressor mounting. That makes sense. Thanks

[@colemcd1806]

Built out a rifle with a 13.7 carbine gassed barrel a year or two ago, a few months before BA started producing middies. My luck! But it's still been a fantastic rifle and has seen training classes and comps. I agree that the 13.7 is noticably handier than a 16" rifle. Not to mention it handles the weight of my Sandman S much better than a 16" barrel for obvious reasons.

[@mrshort2379]

Awesome content. Personally I am wanting a 13.7 barrel so bad I can taste it. the problem I am having is I am a poor an just cannot come up with the money needed to purchase th3 13.7" I am after which is a Rosco 13.7" 223 wylde mid/patrol length or B.A. is m second choice which usually sell for right around $100 but when you are a poor it is just not easy to come up with

[@addict054]

The great think about the AR platform is that you can assemble it from pieces. Buy the parts over time as you get the money. It won’t take long.

[@peachfuds]

I'm definitely going to do a Vltor A5 on my new 13.9 build

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[@OPB81]

Love my SOLGW 13.7 set up

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[@TheDuppyman]

Sigh the last KZbin video. I will miss the suppressor ones the most.

[@ollyoxenfree4316]

What muzzle device and suppressor do you use?

[@frogchaser]

I have their 13.7" with the 13" geissele mk8 handguard and I'm looking to buy their other 13.7 complete uppers. Is this possible?

[@Some_dude773]

It’s 6 months in the future and not yet past Arron. Not yet.

[@kevf500]

What is the difference between M4-76 and M4-89 style ???

[@CancelLuis]

Is that the m89 or m76

[@ryanpatton5937]

With them coming after braces i wonder if i should just go ahead and sbr them

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[@ivindavis4071]

You gotta review a lwrc 12.7 rifle I haven seen many reviews on it

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[@5jjt]

Aaron, I'd like to buy a SOLGW rifle, but I'm more than a little bit concerned about the chamber and bore not being chrome lined because I shoot steel cased ammo, ie Wolf, Tula, etc, and am concerned non-chromed barrels have more case sticking issues when using steel cased ammo. In your experience/opinion, is this a valid concern? TIA.

[@1robertcourtney]

13.7 is just an awesome length period. No real sacrifice in ballistics from a 14.5 and definitely pairs much better with my RISII SOCOM rail than the 14.5 does. Hands down my favorite length and really the sweet spot for the mid length gas system. I don’t think you sacrifice on either end of the spectrum with the 13.7. Thanks for another great rundown!

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[@Lightrunnerr]

Also no sacrifice in ballistics from a 20" to an 18". No sacrifice in ballistics from an 18" to a 16". No sacrifice in ballistics from a 16" to a 14.5". No sacrifice in ballistics from a 14.5" to a 13.7". No sacrifice in ballistics from a 13.7" to a 12.5". No sacrifice in ballistics from a 12.5" to an 11.5". No sacrifice in ballistics from an 11.5" to a 10.3".

[@fabsenbmx]

Anyone knows, what that handstop is? Magpul?

[@Murderface666]

If you're worried about a pistol brace, just take it off and keep it in the safe, because if the worst should happen, nobody is following the rules anyway

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[@greyallred6159]

I have this setup and love it. Any further tuning recommended when attaching a Sandman S?

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As long as the “rifle” will be 16 inches after the pin and weld, what’s the value in a 13.7 vs 14.5 inch barrel? If the end product is 16 inches, more barrel seems better.

[@SageDynamics]

Because 16” rifles are 16.? Plus the length of the muzzle device. So 18” or more.

[@bombsaway6340]

@@SageDynamics was referring to a 14.5 with a pinned and welded device for a total of 16 vs a 13.7 with a pinned and welded device for a total of 16. If both are 16, would you still prefer one vice the other?

[@SageDynamics]

@@bombsaway6340 I’ve got 6-7 inches of suppressor to mount so the shorter OAL, the better.

[@texasranger24]

If you want the 16" including your muzzle brake, 16 minus the length of your muzzle device is the ideal length. And if the Dead Air flash hider gives you 2.3", so be it, a 13.7" barres is what you need. I do wonder however if it would be worth it to cut your muzzle device directly into the barrel steel. Would add another ~1" of actually usable barrel length until the actual flash hider starts, but you'd have to start with beefier steel to machine it. Would that be worth it? Say combined with the HM Monobloc barrels?

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[@poisonouslead85]

Faxon does that mainly for states that don't allow detachable muzzle devices. The issue is that there's no way you can have a suppressor mount and then there's the problem of fitting a gas block. Basically your integrated "muzzle device" can't be wider than the gas block journal or you can't assemble the rifle.

[@texasranger24]

@@poisonouslead85 that's why i suggested combining it with the monobloc barrels. They already have a built in gas block, made from the very same piece of steel as the barrel.

[@mattwalters6834]

Aaron, is there much difference in ballistic performance between the 13.7” vs 16”? I’m eyeballing one of these.

[@SageDynamics]

Not really. You can find comparisons by barrel length on line for velocity.

[@mattwalters6834]

@@SageDynamics thanks

[@mattwalters6834]

@@SageDynamicshow’s muzzle flash?

[@SageDynamics]

@@mattwalters6834 that depends on the muzzle device more than the length.

[@mattwalters6834]

@@SageDynamicsinteresting; most devices work for me but the A2 with 16” is always good.

[@Thisthat1234]

Running a 13.7 BA Performance series barrel (carbine length gas) with an Armaspec H2 recoil spring. Pinned the Dead Air Keymo Muzzle Device.

[@patriotperformanceshootingllc]

IS THERE AN ADVANTAGE TO A 13.7 PINNED TO A 14.5 PINNED?

[@seanbrando_7456]

I have a DDM4 that I replaced the barrel in....it's now a 13.7 SOLGW. Been shooting it a couple years, w/ 60 grain V-max I have tested over 10 loads at close to max velocity and ALL OF THEM shoot under an inch at 100yds. I have had more than one 18" SPR profile match barrels that can't do that. It's just not picky-- period. I gave up on the whole SPR concept as far as longer guns go. My 13.7 has a 2-10 trijicon credo scope w/ offset RMR sort of like yours. My cap blocks a tiny chunk of the corner of the RMR in my badger mount but it's fine really. I love it. I have stopped buying AR's.

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[@josiahb55]

Off topic but any updates on the latest Eotech Eflx?

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[@MAXimumEffort44]

Love my SOLGW 13.9!

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[@rickypickles2219]

Anyone know how these rifles do on cycling lower powered ammos?

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[@apocalypse1175]

How dirty do these rifles get when using them suppressed? I have stuck with a pistol gun due to shooting suppressed most of the time and not wanting to spend so much time cleaning the rifle.

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[@Ryan.S924]

I couldn’t take it anymore. The whistle from all the S words he SAID was driving me crazy!! SHIT lol almost as. As as granny and her dentures. Hahah

[@bigro4444]

Zero Group MFG makes really well made and sound rifles. Small shop. But good people.

[@jarrods5494]

How does the Sierra5 perform on the 13.7 vs an 11.5?

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[@chrissmithey4545]

That eye relief

[@camron1501]

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[@aaronburns7477]

So it looks like if I wanted to go with the new huxwrx can we’d have to go 13.9” to get to 16” with their “long” muzzle device. Any other thoughts on how to make that happen?

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[@lanceskopik2928]

I’m just glad Aaron made this video public. Quit bitchin about why he chose the barrel length

[@philclodfelter5994]

What caliber is your go to round?

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[@Ryan.S924]

However Aaron is right the 13.7 with the NOX is bar far my favorite. And his Sage editions are dope. But that Tomahawk one is sick.

[@mattwalters6834]

What’s the overall length of the rifle with the 13.7” barrel or did I miss it?

[@SageDynamics]

Non-NFA 16”

[@mattwalters6834]

@@SageDynamics thanks but I was wondering about overall length of the rifle; I’m assuming 32”-36”.

[@SageDynamics]

@@mattwalters6834 never measured it.

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[@Lightrunnerr]

@@mattwalters6834 If you get one with an A5 buffer it will add 3/4 of an inch to its length. So if you really really want smallest possible collapsed length you might want the carbine length buffer instead. Think the EX03 has a carbine length buffer