Sony a7SIII Overheats Before EOS R5, New Sigma 85mm Lens, and More | News Rumor Roundup

[@stopthefomo]

Heat soak vs heat dissipation: R5 is designed to absorb more heat and when it does, it takes much longer to dissipate while the Sony is the opposite - the camera body gets hotter faster in order to dissipate heat with better passive system. Unfortunately when ambient temps are high like in FL, Sony’s approach is affected as it requires cooler air temps to draw out the heat whereas R5 just soaks heat into its larger/denser body until it can’t

[@kalef1234]

Which also explains Cano'sn long recover time

[@piper6878]

A7siii is rubbish. Factually overheats and shutdown faster than the r5 based on observation. A total garbage camera system with expensive lens meant to burn and churn user's wallet so that the user become insecure of their investment and eventually become indoctrinated and clueless follower to protect their garbage from any criticism.

[@2800boy]

Piper you actually sound like the clueless follower lol. No one ever talks shit like this unless they’re a mindless fan boy of some brand.

[@alphaxfang]

@@2800boy pretty sure he is a certified canon fanboy... from his argument he will defend canon new toaster to death...

[@Lil_Lobo]

Actually the Sony A7SIII has a set of heat dissipating pipes that is unique to this camera and isn't available on any other model yet

[@ZaberAnsaryOfficial]

BOTH Cameras overheat. Nothing to see here folks. Go and concentrate on making content Now alright?

[@spycam111]

Kinda hard to make content if your camera overheats though lol

[@SPECTRA890]

@@spycam111 exactly!

[@shankhanilsarkar2161]

I don't know, why the hell you guys are comparing eos R5 with a7siii ...!! No photographers not even hybrid shooters are going to buy a7siii. a7siii is a very capable video centric camera. And R5 is a very capable hybrid allrounder camera. If you wish to do a comparison, then please compare R5 and a7riv🙂 I like your reviews but I don't expect this kind of thumbnail from you.

[@hankblack1]

100%

[@RiceCubeTech]

The riv and the r5 still makes little sense haha. Riv has ok video specs and dominates still image quality compared to the r5. And the r5 craps on it for video. nothing about that comparison is fair either lol

[@ashishlotia6724]

I must have seen 7 reviews from different reviewers and none of them said Sony a7Siii overheats. Rather they all said, Canon R5 overheats. Hmm, confusing.

[@Toni-xv9qz]

Don’t let a KZbinr make a decision for you. Let them find their findings. Sit relax rent the camera yourself and test it out

[@RBMediaLV]

Totally agree, Sony never overheated for 4k 60p at least, but these are pre-production models so, all i can say, everyone can test it at the moment and give different information because of different results they are getting but the true information will come out in september when we will get the real production cameras :)

[@parthsavyasachi9348]

Yes. It's basically some hurt canon fanboys who are grasping to whatever they can hang on to. Once the production model is out then we see how many people get it to overheat.

[@saudi4us]

@@RBMediaLV Sony A7s III is the 1st alpha camera that have 4K 60p ... However, before this camera non overheated since there was no alpha camera that had 4K 60p

[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

Hugh Brownstone (Three Blind Men and An Elephant) also found overheating in direct sunlight.

[@EhtashamAnwar]

My understanding is that sony is letting its camera to overheat bit more than Canon before it shuts down, as when heat gun was used, its was showing roughly 5C° more than Canon. How this will effect the reliability of the hardware in long run, time will tell. Their is no doubt that R5 needs lot more processing power to get video from 45 megapixel camera plus to me it looks like R5 processor is much more powerful than Sony's and that really show in read out times. This is another reason R5 is draining the battery faster compared to A7siii. We all know, more powerful hardware means more heat and quicker battery drainage but worrying thing for Sony is that it is getting more hot than Canon with less powerful hardware which makes me think that passive cooling from Sony is just selling stunt. People who have powerful laptops or desktop they know how those things are kept cool under load. Some of the high ends phones, which are weather sealed, have vapour Chambers to keep processor cool but Sony didn't mention any deatils about their passive cooling technology. I can't understand without vapour chamber how then can keep the sensor and processor cool in 5 inch wide body. It's weather sealed so it's definitely no air flow, they didn't mention any vapour chamber or anything similar. My understanding is that sony is using less powerful processor which only has to process image from 12mp sensor , slow storage card compare to R5 as fast readouts will produce heat as well. I am not a Canon fan boy and have cancelled my R5 pre order just to see that how production units will perform. I think best thing is to wait for good 3 months before spending your money and see how these two cameras production units will do and what these companies can do in terms of software update regarding heat management.

[@tqlla]

If the A7Siii is piping heat away from the sensor, it makes sense that the body will be warmer.

[@EhtashamAnwar]

@@tqlla its not a 10 feet wide body that its pushing heat away from a sensor and sensor is cool. Its has maximum of couple of inches of space on either side of sensor and it it is not using vapour Chambers, no way it can cool down processor or sensor. R5 and sony has used magnesium alloy in body construction plus they have rubber kind of material layer on the top, so both kind of managing the heat similarly if exactly not the same. In my understanding canon last a bit longer in direct sun only because its body is little big bigger so took it slighter longer to accumulate the heat.

[@tqlla]

​@@EhtashamAnwar Thats why the body temp is higher. The Sensor temp is going to be higher than the temperature in the body. If the A7Siii is designed to pull heat from the sensor/processors, then the body temperature would be higher. Do you know what you are supposed to do when your car engine is overheating?

[@EhtashamAnwar]

@@tqlla just wait for the production units, you'll understand then

[@randomgeocacher]

Ehtasham Anwar R5 only 8K and 4K HQ modes are 45MP. Line skipping according to multiple reviewers, so it isn’t using the entire sensor. It’s probably binning all pixels one the lines read since the artifacts are very limited, so I guess it’s something like 8K*2K (16MP) used in normal 4K video modes.

[@DavidHLee]

keep the vids comin. can't wait to see reviews of post-production models. Sony is definitely going to improve on some things before the actual release

[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

Hugh Brownstone (Three Blind Men and An Elephant) tested the A7S-III and found that there is overheating in direct sunlight. He did just simple 4k24p but the camera shut down after 23min. Cool down and continue shooting went pretty fast. To me, it looks like the A7S-III is getting the heat fast out of the camera but if the surface of the camera is very hot, this doesn't help. The R5 seems to be better isolated. This is usually a disadvantage but in some cases, it helps to keep heat out until the camera heats up from inside. In direct sunlight and hot conditions, the R5 might have an advantage between minute 20 and 35 of a shooting day. According to Hugh, the Panasonic GH5 and S1H kept running under this conditions for more than 2 hours and didn't overheat at all.

[@mastrorj68]

But then there are others out there shooting higher rate with no issues

[@SPECTRA890]

@@mastrorj68 does that matter? The reason this Information is so useful is because everybody has been seeing the. Camera as invisible, someone would have bought it, seen it that way also and used it for a wedding or something, carelessly with that false knowledge and will be stranded.

[@frankfeng2701]

I think A7s3 has a conductive body (with passive cooling) whereas R5 is more insulated (without fan or passive cooling). Since heat transfer goes both ways, on one hand it means it is easier for A7s3 to gain heat in hot external environment than R5, which prevents heat from entering the body; on the other hand, it's also easier for A7s3 to dissipate heat in most other situations.

[@robbyrazzer]

it soo good to see you back on yt my guy! love your vids and so informative

[@Tenkerman]

The heating from the bottom (dark plastic surface) may have influence different results. We can't know for sure, but I prefer real work comparison.

[@alexgpanda2012]

Your 135 didn't perform well? Must be the copy. It is the best lens I've ever owned. Fast, precise, sharp AFFFF

[@miguelflores7880]

Only 1 youtuber had a overheating issue with the Sony what about the other youtubers?

[@parthsavyasachi9348]

We are going to ignore 10 reviewers and say 1 has valid point.

[@miguelflores7880]

@@parthsavyasachi9348 lol 😆

[@dansz95]

Haha, this a review of the reviewer’s review. Most people would search for Sony A7siii and his title showing as if the review will be 1st, but the actual of a7siii talk started at 6:55.. anyway, clickbait successful.

[@deanjones2525]

Remember. These are pre-production models people are using, so maybe this one has a glitch of some kind. I've watched several previews about this camera, and this is the only guy referring to someone else's 'overheating' issues. He doesn't even have one to test himself.

[@marioslrzn]

Miguel Flores there’s 2 big channels now

[@AsianWithHat]

Let's also be realistic. If you're having to continuously shooting 4K 60/120FPS for more than 30 mins, you've done something wrong. A7s or R5 included.

[@AiringAustin]

Nobody needs 60p - 120p for more than b-roll. Lol

[@AsianWithHat]

@@AiringAustin exactly!

[@b.g.4277]

Will be interesting to see if the high temp setting on the Sony causes issues long term.

[@photographerjonathan]

I am excited about the new Sigma 85 art, I hope a new 50 f1.2 art is also on its way, and a new /105/135 art and hopefully they are all half the size and weight of there DSLR versions. but I won't count on it. Sigma has me wondering what is going on with the new 85 being small and light. its not typical of Sigma, there 35 f1.2 is huge and heavy. I just hope the new 85 has great image quality, even better than the old one. I kind of get the feeling it will just because it is also designed for the L mount.

[@chadrobertson1920]

Means AtomOS probably has new product coming out to handle 16-bit 4k120, FX9 also does 16-bit RAW output so I wouldn’t be surprised if a new recorder coming

[@elfenomeno24ify]

I have samyang 85 1.4.. And its amaizng on my a7iii highly recomended

[@robbiehanzmapalo2041]

In Jared's test. He was trying the highest setting for 4k60p which was the 6k converted in camera to 4k. Which canon has already anounced will overheat after 30minutes of record time.

[@JF..]

A new Sigma 50mm f/1.4 art is what i need bro ..

[@joeblack4026]

same here

[@GeraldBertramPhotography]

From looking through the comments on Dan's video there seems to be a large consensus that maybe he has a bad A7S3 since his testing results were so different than everyone else. I'm not defending Sony but you should always be wary of outlier results. He replied to me and said he has contacted Sony so it will be interesting to see what they have to say.

[@arthursese6068]

I live in Florida so I found the test helpful. There are a few others that said this too, three bind mice and some german. I won't be doing 4k 60 in extreme heat direct sun but I will be doing 4k 24 for weddings. I will also be buying an umbrella when I have it on a tripod in the heat and direct sun.

[@GeraldBertramPhotography]

@Sucko 78 Yes umm.. "Sucko" and by all accounts it appears they have addressed this with their latest cameras but who knows. Again, I didn't say this to defend Sony. As I said I am interested to see what their response is to Dan's results since they seem to differ from the results that the majority of other people that actually have the camera in their hands are getting. Personally I am camera agnostic and use whatever brand gets the job done for me so I have zero vested interest if the camera has a problem or not.

[@GeraldBertramPhotography]

@@arthursese6068 Agreed. What I will say is that I am not a fan of these companies pushing the technical abilities of their cameras at the expense of overheating. I mean as of right now if I need to shoot in any client situation for extended periods of time then I'm for sure still packing my GH5S with me.

[@arthursese6068]

@@GeraldBertramPhotography Yea luckily I've been good with my sonys and haven't any overheat on a wedding. I always have a couple angles so always have backup. Good to know to have precautions like an umbrella though.

[@digwillhachi]

so both over heat, but if you use them both properly and they are suitable for what you shoot I dont see it being an issue with either.

[@geoffreyenriquez]

How about a thermal imaging recording of the cameras in action? Dan had the right idea of using a temperature gun: maybe one camera company gives a warning/shutoff at a lower temperature and another company has a higher threshold. The thermal imaging would show us what's happening with the heat and where (if any) heat is leaving the camera.

[@BatAskal]

Here's my theory why it overheated - the ambient temperature is as hot as Sony A7SIII because the whole unit is a heat sink due to passive cooling. There was no effective heat transfer out to the environment when it was under the sun sitting on the plastic cover bouncing all the heat from the sun to the camera. The others who have tested this camera trying to overheat it doesn't have problems simply because the ambient temperature (including the human body like Manny Ortiz) it is operating could be lower enough for heat transfer to take place, thus no overheating. It looks like this is quite easier to cool so it keeps running as desired but I would like to see more tests on what factors would raise the ambient temperature that prevents the heat from getting out.

[@hickslightfoot]

first youtube review showing the Sony overheat... every youtube review showing the Canon overheating :) This reminds me when I was trying to convince myself that buying a 1969 Triumph was a good idea for my main transportation. 9 out of 10 mechanics told me not a good idea. But this one mechanic told me " It's a car, all cars break down eventually " That's all I needed to hear :) I loved that Triumph ! It broke down 3 months later when I was going to work. It was in the shop for a while. It broke down again... I loved that car and kept fixing it. a couple years later I bought a used Honda accord. It has never broke down and that was 13 years ago :)

[@drifter6870]

Yep, know this feeling, I bought a hard drive was only 1/100 reviews saying it was noisy, I was like maybe that person was putting it in a hot room or something, the thing was noisy. Always gota take the negative reviews serious. lol Especially when a brand has fanboys.

[@hickslightfoot]

@@drifter6870 so true

[@keithsmathers9815]

I own the 85mm GM but it is too slow for sports action. I am looking for a good fast focusing 85mm lens at F1.4-1.8 range. Almost ready to pull the trigger on Sony 85mm F1.8 but would like to see how the Sigma update performs for Sports Action. Still photography only.

[@hiwng]

wait for the 50mm f1.4 art new design mirrorless FE

[@joosepkink]

Overheating issue is maybe just this a7siii version problem. I have two a7iii and one of them overheats all time with same settings and same environment. Another a7iii camera I haven see one time overheating warning, period 2years time.

[@CO8848_2]

Maybe a7siii has more heat dissipation with the environment which implies it works better in cooler climate and worse in hotter environment

[@ramonbannister9498]

I haven't seen the guy's video you mentioned, but everyone else tested the camera at the highest resolution in 4k and it did not overheat. Jared Polin does an interesting test where he shoots his video in his studio w/ 3 cameras, and the R5 overheated while the Sony did not. I'll take a look at Dan Watson's video, but as of right now I'm skeptical of his results as you explain them here. But again, I need to watch his video to make a more educated determination.

[@robertm3951]

S1H is king. Active cooling wins every time. It is basic thermodynamics.

[@ladislavsvencik]

You mean king with cropped 4K60, noise from active cooling, subpar AF. Thats sounds exactly opposite.

[@spycam111]

@@ladislavsvencik The 4k 60p is also only 4:2:0. Still seems like a great camera though.

[@EhtashamAnwar]

I wish it just had a better auto focus like sony or canon. I sold my one couple of weeks back and now looking at these new cameras, I am regretting

[@IIC4NCELEDII]

Nice camera but many people don't care for it.

[@VyasAnand]

With bad Autofocus (which you need unless you have a puller)

[@kalali462]

Sony E mount's most underrated 85mm option: Tamron's SP f/1.8 Di USD for Sony A, retailing for $749, but which I got used, nearly like new, from Adorama for $318, with Sony's LA-EA3 adapter that I got from MPB for $134. (This adapter also lets me convert a Minolta "beercan"-the legendary 70-210mm f/4, which I got from KEH for $40-with auto exposure and manual focus, easy to perform on my α7 III.)

[@brthiebauth]

A fairly new subscriber... Been enjoying the content. FYI... Hugh with Three Blind Men and an Elephant also overheated his a7sIII with 4k60 (I believe) shooting around NY City as he normally would. The common denominator is it was also very hot and humid. Hugh got the same 23 minutes that Dan got in his first test. I know people have been questioning Dan's testing methodology and that includes Gerald Undone (in the comments of the 2nd video - the follow-up test). Gerald got the answers to his questions and stated he thought the tests performed were valid. Dan even tested using H.264 which is an easier codec to process and should generate less heat.

[@TheMacronical]

A level headed non fanboy response, thank you! I was about to go off on some people for saying Dan put the camera on the same plastic box as ALL THE OTHER CAMERAS!

[@RoniRocks397]

Didn’t Jason vong take his production model to a camp site and got lots of footage without it showing any sign of overheat? Same with ijustine who went to the desert who also got lots of footage with not issue.

[@MarioVisions]

4k 60....nothing compares to s1h..has a crop but never overheats.

[@marioslrzn]

A7siii: over heats in 23 minutes R5: hold my beer The irony is funny AF

[@mrMacMilli2000]

He did not choose the heat warning in options. Also he was comparing against cannon in Non 8k downscaled mode. So best case cannon lower quality and safe mode vs Sony.

[@theblizza]

Ace Mcloud no he did turn on the higher heat threshold in the 2nd test - watch the video

[@marioslrzn]

Ace Mcloud he shot both on 4k60fps, nice try though. Does it really matter? I’m getting the R5, cause it fits my needs, people that are getting the a7siii are totally different people. If you want to shoot with the R5 for video unfortunately you’re going to need an atomos ninja v to make it competitive. The standard 4k24fps looks really good on the R5 plus you can do 75 minutes with HQ or unlimited 4k60fps but you will need atomos

[@mrMacMilli2000]

@@marioslrzn yes it matters. Cannon two modes. HQ and line skipping.

[@marioslrzn]

Ace Mcloud Armando just posted a video of the 4k24fps standard non overheating, and I bet in real life you won’t be able to tell the difference. But the HQ mode you can tell on the frame transitions, it’s like a 3D effect. You can’t judge video on a still grab, you can only judge by motion. Nobody is going to stop a movie to see if there’s a 1to 1 or pixel binning during playback. All this arguing about a hybrid camera is getting out of hand. They’re both capable cameras for different markets every thing else is we can agree to disagree..enjoy your camera and I’ll enjoy mine

[@alexk7428]

Is any chance you can compare picture quality and dynamic range between 5DSR and R5? Thanks.

[@dericsanchez4081]

Is anyone going to be shooting for extended periods of time in 60p? I thought it would be more used in bursts.

[@bdogdaprince]

Can the sony A7siii give a better image then the BMPCC6K?

[@maxipadthai]

If a7siii uses passive cooling, then that means the body itself is the heat sink. I guess that could be the reason it runs warmer?

[@davidkatsmam]

I have the Sony 85mm 1.8. Excellent lens, light, beautiful results, but the minimum focus distance could be shorter.

[@ronflores7]

Completely out of topic, but what video capture do you use? I am looking for a setup to live stream my church. Thanks in advance

[@joeblack4026]

I have the 85 GM and its a marvel of a lens

[@Irene-bm1xw]

Get the S1H, it NEVER overheats, worths all the money😀

[@jeffrey3205]

Hey Danny, how good do you think is line skipping 4k 30 for weddings?

[@davva360]

I don’t have a horse in this race as I don’t intend to buy any of them but I will say if they are overheating in less than an hour they are a fail. They should be resolving issues like this before they release them and hopefully they can. You can’t use one of these cameras professionally if they are only good for 30 minutes and need an hour or two to cool down

[@jasonnowwhat5041]

Gerald Undone claims no issues and Potato Jet put his a7siii in a kiln at 104 degrees Fahrenheit and it took an hour to overheat in 4K 120 after an hour in room temps so who knows what’s happening

[@mythenkanacke2105]

The sigma lens is just a sign of what is to come from there "lenses that don't look ridicules on the sigma fp." line of lenses.

[@ThaimachineFilms]

iam crying .. why they dont release at the same time now .. so i can decided

[@00Phalanx]

It is not hard to decide if you care photography.

[@montanawestphotography6671]

The law of thermodynamics applied to cameras that utilize the camera body as a heatsink dictates that when the sun heats up the body the cooling is reduced. What this test reveals is that the Sony is better at thermal convection than the R5. The fact that inside at room temps the Sony rules supports the law of thermodynamics for a passive cooling system where the body is the heat sink. Conclusion: The Sony passive cooling system is far more efficient in thermal heat transfer than the Canon.

[@NONE2NONE]

So Ninja 5 won't do 120?

[@sirgigolo]

All cameras shooting at those high resolutions and frame rates will overheat, including the “invincible Sony”

[@stkuj]

I own the little bro FE 85 1.8. Personally, I love it. Best value in the line up. (BTW - I heard & have seen good things on the Viltrox). I want the Sigma (depending on price).

[@Roy88772]

Great you will test Viltrox. I want to buy first version. Waiting for your video 👌

[@raybeckon1235]

Dan probably got a dud copy? Most other testers consistently say they did not see over heating. Dan now figures this controversy is helping his views...but if it fizzles, it will hurt credibility going forward.

[@sizzlemann]

I have the Sony FE 85mm 1.8. Great lens. No need to buy another one. As far as the overheating, I think Dan has a bad pre-production model. If you've ever done any beta testing, pre-production software is still buggy! Hope Sony sends him another camera to re-check. Potato Jet got it to overheat as well, but he threw it into an oven! 😂

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Agree. I also have this wonderful portrait lens. Same sharpness as 1.4 G Master at 1.8.

[@joel.wuestehube]

Not really the kind of guy who needs a 85 but if that would change at some point my choice would be the Batis.

[@bdone3388]

I got to say, it’s tough to take anything serious while you wear an alpha hat.

[@kylemikel6395]

I’m curious what picture profile he was shooting when the camera over heated? Would that matter? Is there one over the other that would collect more data to create a camera to warm up?

[@gregzarkodimos9711]

I stopped at the 'nuances' bit, 'everything is not black and white' It is. The specs are what they are, or someone blatantly lied to you. It applies to everything.

[@IMDABROWN]

Get the insurance on the EOS R5, I’m sure you’ll make it melt

[@nandavenkat]

Pentax takumar 85mm

[@CKramburglar]

Kind of makes sense. The Sony is designed to passively move heat. Ideally that means moving heat from a hot camera to a cool environment, but if the environment is as hot or hotter than the camera then its going to cause problems. Good news is that you have a predicable fix, just get cool air on the camera. With as sealed as the R5/6 are, people have had issues cooling it down, even putting bags of ice on it hasn't been enough

[@boardriderz]

Chris K the Sony A7Siii is also sealed just like the R5.

[@CKramburglar]

Jimmy Barrett they are not sealed in the same way. The R5/6 retain heat, and are less affected by their external environment. The a7siii is designed for heat to be able to move through it, which allows it to run unrestricted in cool environments, but backfires in extremely hot environments

[@boardriderz]

Chris K the Sony is designed to passively move heat through the magnesium alloy body to the outside, the Canon seems to be designed to absorb more heat. But both cameras are environmentally sealed to the outside by rubberised seals and gaskets on all opening s and joins. They are sealed as all cameras are at this price so they can operate in less than ideal environments. Yes, they deal with heat differently, but they are most surely sealed to the environment.

[@TVe200]

I own the Sony 85 1,8 and I have just used it on my a6500.

[@TheMacronical]

Let's keep in mind Canon R5 was in 4k60, a non-HQ mode thats line skipped garbage! If it was 4k30 HQ mode, it would have lost easily. But even still, Canon ran cooler on Dan's thermometer test so maybe it's Canon just having a lower temperature threshold in the camera, not actually "overheating" anyway? Educated guess

[@_Doom_20]

Not sure why there is a discussion about these two cameras, R5 is a hybrid and the other is not, so of course it’s a far better option for those who shoot both, the R5 is better in the hybrid field. And I’d even say the 4K in the canon is better even if not in 4K HQ mode

[@aliendroneservices6621]

a7Siii is a better stills camera than R5

[@_Doom_20]

Alien Drone Services lol and grizzly Adams had a beard

[@deebea6364]

I had already heard the Sony gives an overheat message, but you have the option to turn off that warning and keep recording ; i am Curious if the extended temperature reduces the overall life of the camera 😬😬😬 if I was doing professional video work I would want a second body regardless of camera or brand

[@deebea6364]

Sucko 78 hmm that’s a little scary! If that’s the case it seems a bit alarming how everyone is just breezing over that 😅 curious what the shutter is rated to as well, they have excluded that rating from the full stats it seems!

[@XVisionsProd]

I want the RF 85mm 😍😂

[@Tsitris46]

I own the 85 FE 1.8. I’ve been thinking about going to the Batis or the GM because of the rendering and bokeh.

[@jeffreyhawker9042]

Any info on the Sigma RF mounts? Have the Sigma 85 and am going to purchase the Canon RF 85 1.2, but am interested in the Sigma RF in the 40, 105 and 135 primes and 100-400 zoom.

[@Alobaiidy]

Sigma stated that they will be releasing new rf glass in 2021

[@jeffreyhawker9042]

@@Alobaiidy thanks, I saw an announcement that with the release of the R5/6 they were going to proceed forward, but the didn't give a timeline.

[@TopFacts4U-w5y]

I'm gonna get R6

[@bluemarblemark]

it is going to be interesting...especially when multiple tests can be averaged...so far his looks like a one off...but we will see!

[@sosomelodies659]

Dan and Hugh had bad pre-production copies out of hundreds of other copies under review.

[@soreloser6018]

So cannon is actually a 4k camera.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Hobbled by too many pixels

[@BillyVerden]

That "one over heating guy" strikes again.. lol.

[@iDealMedley]

panasonic has always been superior in terms of temperature.

[@m0nztam0nk]

The overheating test is very misleading imo: it basically shows that canon is better sealed. He DIDNT test, how long after cooling the camera it would take to shoot again. A PASSIVE cooling mechanism needs some cool air around the camera moving in order to cool anything. The Eos r just has a sealed capsule that heats the whole unit. The difference is, the sony should cool much faster and be ready again. Also...i never (!) shot a project while resting a camera in the straight sun on a hot surface that was exposed to uberhot klimate. Who would actually shoot like that? And 4k60p for that matter was well? If he repeats the test with a tripod in blazing sunlight and the same results show up, then ill be interested...

[@ArguingMeadows]

He repeated the test with a tripod. Sony still overheated before the Canon. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml62coiEqqd2hK8

[@m0nztam0nk]

Jose Argumedo no, thats beraly any different. I want to see it used in a realistic way: set up on a regular sized tripod as you would actually use it. Not barely any distance away from a hot surface. Every other tester showed, the sony is less insulated, so that is an artificial test that has nothing to do with actual shooting. AND: why didnt he tell the time before each camera was ready again? Really dislike these kinds of tests, the create clicks but arent actually worth much...

[@ArguingMeadows]

S.H. Three Blind Mice and An Elephant did that, overheated at around the same time. (10:47 into the video) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHavd5lol8mNocU

[@m0nztam0nk]

Jose Argumedo thanks for that info. Will look at it. I really want to know, how long it takes until it runs again tho, as many others have stated after overheating it was much faster ready to shoot again vs. the canon

[@Leo-jd2ny]

A stupid test! In direct sunlight, all cameras (and also we humans) will overheat after a certain (similar) time. For me it is much more important that a camera does not overheat due to the internal heat development.

[@gunfall9618]

That was very low....you put sony a7s3 on first bt talked after halfway wow!! I subbed to you for a year but dnt do things like this. I dnt trust you anymore

[@JetBen555]

his A7siii was sandwiched between 2 overheating camera and one of them was an S1H blowing hot hair directly on the A7Siii ahah... cmon, this guy is a fraud.

[@mattc3510]

No Dan redid the test today on tripods it over heated again. He either has a bad camera pre production or the Sony A7S3 over heats in high humidity hot weather like Florida. The Sony recovered far faster after over heating, the Canon does not recover well at all.

[@Noparticularcontext]

Wouldn’t it be crazy if sony send out a dodgy copy of the camera on purpose, it creates a lot of debate and possibly makes people watch even more videos; after all these are preproduction models. Just a thought!

[@EverythingFilmmaking]

Dan has a dud camera..no one else had this issue and went way way longer🤷🏻‍♂️

[@KeangoDLuke]

One other KZbinr did...three blind mice or something of the sort is the name of his channel

[@stevenuseda6317]

Luke Keango watch the livestream with Phillip bloom on pro av tv. He tested the camera in hfr under a heat lamp with no overheating. Also he said the lamp got the runner hot enough to start smoking so he pulled the lamp back a bit.

[@KeangoDLuke]

@@stevenuseda6317 the problem arises with high ambient temperature coupled with baking the camera in direct sunlight.

[@NinhNguyen2]

I owned both the Sony 85 F1.4 GM and the Sony FE 85 F1.8 either I got an exceptionally sharp copy of the Sony F1.8, or the two copies of the GM I got were just not as sharp.... ultimately I returned the GMs and just kept the Sony FE F1.8. Which I thought was weird because I thought the 85 GM would have been sharper but it's softer and renders a dreamy look. The sharpest GM Primes I have are the 100mm STF GM and the newer 135mm GM That 100mm STF GM is so underrated, but it is criminally sharp. I have this unlisted KZbin video showing a friend just how sharp and detailed the older 100mm STF GM lens is - link here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/imKtmJanfKqDY9k

[@KgarsFUN]

Just because you wear a sony alpha hat DOES NOT make you anymore legit. I really think this video has hurt your brand as a valued source of camera information.

[@cmarentis]

Bad preproduction unit? Maybe?

[@theprojectionist1]

I think the R5's accumulative heat problems and awful recovery are a real dealbreaker. Sony MAY overheat in certain situations, but their cooling system will allow you to continue shooting long after the R5 has bricked.

[@JF..]

Exactly. I canceled my preorder on the R5 for the Sony A7SIII just because of that. What good is a device if it overheats and make you wait forever before it comes back on.

[@Roy88772]

I think problem with Dan test is he didn't mount cameras on tripods. They just sitting on some kind of flat surface that is heating with the camers from the sun. That extra heat it's probably the problem for A7S III.

[@ArguingMeadows]

He re-did the test on tripods. Sony overheated before the Canon again. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml62coiEqqd2hK8

[@Roy88772]

@@ArguingMeadows So this is more interesting. Maybe ambient temperature was to high for Sony to handle those heat exchange. Will see in time when camera hit the streets.

[@captaintendean4116]

Nobody notice yet? He's using Microsoft Edge browser.

[@ejpmusicandvideo]

It's called a bad copy of the camera.... Lol

[@CharlieVN]

I think I tracked down the overheating issue to the XAVCS codec explained here at the eight fifty mark: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ-zmqCmaZibiK8

[@themasonera]

I love Dan's content, but he's literally the only person on the entire internet that this has happened too. I'm thinking it's his unit. Cause there's a difference between consistent overheating across every unit and this one unit. Jared was in 93 degree weather and went well over an hour. So did Chelsea and Kai outside in very hot weather.

[@aregal]

Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions also had their A7siii overheat before the R5 in 40% humidity in Canada.

[@meowash385]

Nothing you can do to cool this two small body with a huge monster inside. If you want to shoot pro-video than go with the real video camera or you just wasted your hard earn money.

[@tecnolatino5552]

The cameras are too close in the test almost touching each other, looks like the Panasonic is blowing the a7siii with its extracted hot air. May be that’s why, I’m just expeculating...

[@ПітерАндрійХенфілдКолісник]

Hello from Kyiv Ukraine. Gerald Undone tested over heating and found no problems and Gordon Laing also did extended tests on this. Here is the link to Gerald Undone kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3iaanmhg5x4hs0 and Gordon Laing kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYTPZpZsdpeYbMk. I am actually very impressed with the specs and reviews I have seen thus far so this is looking like my 4th Sony A series body as I already own the A9, A7RIII and A7III

[@markm_fpv]

I own 85mm f/1.8 S lens Nikon😁🎬📸

[@ashstonk]

Dude that seem like rubbish. Check out ijustine she did a recent vidoe with no issues

[@justinholding02]

You've still got that bird poo on your cap

[@ashleygarvin7177]

Puts the Sony in the middle of two other cameras throwing out loads of heat in an extremely hot environment then proceeds to say it overheats. Why not give then spacing?

[@kalef1234]

7:54 S1H blowing hot air on Sony 🤔 Rigger Dan Watson. PAID ACTOR jkjk

[@oHeihei]

So it seems like the EOS R5 was thought to be this insane perfect camera when it was first announced with all the ambassador videos coming out, but after a bit the overheating concerns creeped in and we discovered the quirks of the camera. When the Sony was announced again, there was a ton of hype, but we're now also starting to learn more about the concerns and quirks of the camera. I'm sure the Sony is by far a better overall video camera than the Canon. I mean it's designed to be used for purely video, so that makes sense. But again, we overhyped a camera, got super excited, and now we're kinda stepping back down into reality. I don't think the Sony overheating will really change much, though. Those who are in the market for an EOS R5, aren't really looking at the Sony and vice versa. They target completely different consumers. Just hopefully the overheating controversy will die down because people are beginning to act like overheating is some new phenomenon. And with that maybe these camera companies will put more focus on a thermal cooling system on these small mirrorless cameras in the future with how much of a big deal this has been. It'll be interesting to see how they react.

[@hankblack1]

the sony isnt released yet so non of this youtubers have the final version so lets see, i saw tests from both cameras and everytime the eos overheated really fast compared to the sony (check jared polen) but yes this camera is not for the "normal" shooter

[@oHeihei]

No, the Sony isn't released yet, but there's not much they can change with the body. Any changes from now on will be within the firmware. But even then, with the extended overheat shutdown mode on, it still fell short when compared to the Canon in the sun. And Jared's video was mentioned, as well. I think in his video he said the studio was about 72 something degrees. So fairly normal indoor temps. What we're finding is that perhaps the Sony is very sensitive to it's environment. If it's in a cool environment it works perfectly, but as the temp rises, it struggles. Whereas the Canon... well the Canon just consistently overheats and doesn't care about the environment, which in a way is nice because it's predictable, but it still overheats which is an issue.

[@hankblack1]

@@oHeihei check the latest from manny ortiz, he used it outside

[@oHeihei]

@@hankblack1 I saw it. He made a point about how he doesn't like tests with cameras sitting in the sun side by side, and while I understand his point I don't necessarily agree that it's a useless test. He says it doesn't reflect real world shooting. Well... if your camera is sitting on a tripod, for a timelapse, or an interview, or anything where you need it stationary outdoors, that absolutely is a good test for those situations. For him, and his run n gun style of shooting, absolutely he'll notice less overheating due to movement and keeping airflow around the camera. But for me since I really appreciated the test because I do have my camera sitting on the tripod sitting in the sun to film performances at festivals or conventions. But again, as I said, it ALL depends so much on the environment. That means temperature, humidity, wind speed, time of day, etc etc. But the test does prove that overheating is possible at least in extreme conditions, which to be honest, is to be expected.

[@Rascallucci]

I am not going to take Dan Watson's overheating test as definitive when he is the only reviewer in the whole of KZbin that manages to overheat the A7S III. I have lost count on the number of reviews that says otherwise, Gordon Laing, Gerald Undone, Jared Polin, etc.