Sony considering SELLING Spider-man rights back to Marvel?!

[@conradojavier7547]

Sony ruined the Villians, by making them Goodguys in their movie.

[@marktheshark7588]

And Marvel ruined Spiderman.So it's even.

[@jmferr2011]

Most of those villains would be great anti-heros.

[@DigiMyst]

@@marktheshark7588 Remind me, besides Venom 1, which live action SMU movie made money again?

[@MrAwsomeness360]

Says a lot about them when they glorify villains instead of heroes.

[@jayhayhay5124]

Sony didn't do that, marvel did, long long before the mcu at that.

[@mikenayers5981]

When the deal initially went south in 2019, Disney at one point offered to buy back half the rights, and put the spin-offs in the MCU, with Marvel having creative control. Sony stood to earn a lot of money, and they would just need to front half the budget while Marvel did the heavy lifting. I could see Sony revisiting this deal, as they’re out of luck if Disney stops making films for them.

[@freshlysqueezed-r3u]

I have speculated for awhile that Across the Spider-Verse required a lot of reworking behind the scenes and so now they’re struggling that much more to make Beyond.

[@ccateni28]

I could tell considering how Part 1 was removed from the title and something felt off about it.

[@MrRiley-Is-Not-Amused]

If Disney gets him it'll effectively be the death of the character for live action. But honestly, I don't believe Sony would ever sell him back.

[@marktheshark7588]

Facts.They're already ruining him by turning him into Iron-boy jr.

[@Chrismw81]

Disney has no idea what to do with Spider-Man. They could take the b-listers and make them household names with Avengers, but Spider-Man has been horribly mishandled

[@colin_in_sick]

Venom-verse failures aside, Sony has already made abot $20 BILLION from their investment, and considering that actual SPIDER-MAN movies are still making mountains of cash, I don't see them selling anytime soon. Why would they do that when they can sit back, do nothing, and continue to make a fortune through licensing and distribution?

[@alienclay2]

​@@colin_in_sickexactly, at best I expect that Sony may lease the rights back for the right compensation.

[@niksterfer6sir]

It means they would immediately make Gwen the main spiderman

[@jamesmetcalf5597]

Don't forget the mandatory female love interest she'd also have along with having less personality than a plank of wood.

[@jmferr2011]

@@jamesmetcalf5597 so cast sonequa Martin green as spidergwen?

[@bloodeagle6458]

Disney is chomping at the bit to replace Spiderman but they cant

[@jamesmetcalf5597]

@@jmferr2011 or some other diverse actress with less personality than a plank of wood not really any difference between them.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@bloodeagle6458 True. Miles Morales, outside of _Into The Spiderverse_ and his first comics in 2012, has NEVER been a popular character. People look at those two things, and maybe the PlayStation games (though I disagree about him being well written there) and assume people actually like Miles Morales. No; he's failed in everything else besides that because the writers try to make him a woke icon when he was written pre-woke era Marvel; just a couple years before it, in fact. Also, he was written in an elseworlds universe and was never intended to be canon or a replacement for Peter Parker; that's also the _only_ time people ever like Miles, or Spider-Gwen.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

If they didn't wanna focus on Spiderman, they should've just made movies about Agent Venom starring the guy who played Flash Thompson in Amazing Spiderman. It could've been loosley connected to that universe, then they could've even had him crossover with Venom.

[@jturner2577]

That would've slapped.

[@jturner2577]

I'd be okay with this. On 2 Conditions, 1.Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4 and The Amazing Spider-Man 3 happen 2. Disney does Season 3 of Spectacular Spider-Man.

[@anthonylogiudice9215]

Ain't gonna happen

[@gnarwhal7562]

As stupid as Sony is, Spider-Man is the one film IP they have left that people actually care about. They would be insane to sell the rights to Disney (and we also know Sony was the company keeping the MCU in check during Phase Bore). I don't see them giving up the rights to Spidey

[@mrbigglezworth42]

Really, it depends on how well (or poorly) Sony at large is doing. Their movie department isn’t doing great, and many of their projects in the video games department have also flopped. They might end up doing it purely to remain solvent.

[@theinsurance2450]

It just shows how bad Sony is. Except for the animation Department. All there live action franchises failed. Let go through them. 1. Resident Evil. It was never good even by early 2000s standards. You know one came out in 2020. Never even heard of it. That's how bad it is. Same with underworld series not even putting that one under a count. 2. Men in Black. At first it was great but they clearly had no version for this franchise and lost direction. Could have reboot with a new J and K. Could have had a new agent be a half breed. That would been interesting. 3. Ghostbusters. Close but nope. New generation was a good idea but badly executed. Travel to ghost world or maybe one of the members gets possessed and becomes the villain. 4. Charlie's Angels. This franchise would have worked if you stick to what it is. A male fantasy show. But can't have that post 2016 woke era. Had to woke it up and ruined it. 5. James Bond. Same problem. It a series for male fantasy keep it that way. Keep him cool not crying. 6. Jump street. The one thing they had that was good and they abandoned it for whatever reason.

[@gnarwhal7562]

@@theinsurance2450 James Bond ain't Sony, it's MGM (Amazon). Though I agree with what you're saying

[@theinsurance2450]

@gnarwhal7562 Sony never really own it but they co distributed it up to 2015.

[@PeRoXiDe608]

They are probably dumb enough to do it

[@fishjones4618]

Maybe Rothman and Sony see the way the wind is blowing and will take the cash and watch Warners and Disney go into a tailspin trying to revive the corpse that is the superhero movie genre unless it’s single character cottage industries like Wolverine, Batman, Deadpool, or Spider-Man.

[@superphi]

They should but no way in hell r they selling Spider-Man unless Sony goes bankrupt

[@trevonpernell0814]

0:27 DON'T TAKE ANYTHING SHE SAYS SERIOUSLY! AND YES, THAT IS A MADAM. IT'S ACTUALLY GRACE RANDOLPH'S BURNER ACCOUNT.

[@TheCrimsonRevenger]

Kraven should have been a layup win. Not for comic fans, but for Normies. All you had to do was have the handsome guy with great abs murdering LOOOOOTS of goons in spectacular displays of ultra-violence. Boom. You got your normie women and your normie men locked in. That's all they had to do, and they couldn't even do that right.

[@illapuproductions]

Thank god you're not making movies, such an idiotic statement.

[@ElVlogdeBob]

In other times I would think "That would be cool!" Nowadays I think "Oh god no!"

[@TevyaSmolka]

yeah I will believe that when I actually see it happen.

[@MarvinPowell1]

It's insane how extremely incompetent they are. How hard is it to just make a Miles Morales/Spider-Gwen universe? Or even Spider-Man 2099 or Spider-Woman? They just couldn't use Peter Parker (or rather, the MCU version of him) or the name of Spider-Man, but they were free to do anything else, and they managed to f-up this badly. This is made even _worse_ by the fact that Into The Spiderverse and the PlayStation Spider-Man games are _also_ owned by Sony! So it's not like they don't have access to competent people; they are just legitimately too stupid to know how to use them! Literally none of these executives at Sony should have their jobs; they're too stupid to even know how to hire people who know what they're doing, which at least the MCU got right in its first three phases with Favreau, Gunn, the Russos, and Perlmutter.

[@ScuffedF]

I really hope there isn't any weight to this because we all know Marvel would destroy the IP within a couple of years. Not to say that Sony should have it as they have shown their incompetence also. I frankly don't know what avenue to take, but neither seems like the best choice currently as they simply haven't given us any faith to show otherwise.

[@kal0247]

All the Sony villains' movies were trash,especially the Venom ones,who ever decided the Eddie and the Symbiote should be a comedy buddy team should be fired🤦🏽‍♂️

[@bobo577]

0:49-1:10 Ah, that’s explains the All-Black Sword in the MCU but no presence of Knull.

[@Grubnar]

No way! ... but then again, this *IS* Sony we are talking about. They are stupid enough to actually do this.

[@kamenriderovant9676]

Selling? No just relinquish them movie rights back to Marvel.

[@JurassicRod]

Disney will soon flush Spider-man away anyway and replace him with the ''diverse'' knock off.

[@rogercamarena1497]

I mean that's what Miles started off as until writers came in and actually did a decent job with his character. It was only until the Spider verse movies came out that people 180'd and started loving him

[@marqod1437]

Peter Parker is Spiderman. Miles Moralis is Miles Moralis. If you have any doubts, check out their figurines' packaging.

[@conradojavier7547]

Miles IS that Diverse Ripoff Marvel is looking for.

[@sicor94]

Thats what Miles is, why do you think he keeps getting pushed everywhere?

[@trevorrogers95]

Bob Iger and Larry Fink sure have a lot in common. Both CEO’s, same ideology, same early life background.

[@MATTY110981]

20 years ago Disney managed to come to a deal with Universal to gain ownership of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (Walt’s original creation). This involved swapping certain assets most notably the contract for sportscaster Al Michaels than exchanging money. I suspect Disney and Sony will come to a similar deal

[@trekadam30]

Sony: I want to sell Spider-Man back to you. Disney: Oh...we were kinda hoping you'd buy Marvel off of us. WOMP WOMP!

[@bola5671]

As much as I hate Sony, we don't want marvel to get Spiderman especially in the current production state of marvel. I think I'm happier with 2 incompetent failures from two companies because they at least get to limit each other to done degree

[@galenmarek888]

If they sell back the rights, it's the end of Spiderman and the MCU.

[@adelia-m6x]

Seriously, this video made my day!

[@wexwuthor1776]

Hate to be the Grinch, but best you can probably hope for is Sony stepping aside and letting Marvel do it all. They won't let those rights go, but maybe that's good enough.

[@JonesyTheFirst69]

Bro ur taking to a bot 😂

[@wexwuthor1776]

@JonesyTheFirst69 We're all bots.

[@mariokarter13]

The third Spider-verse movie was scheduled for this year, but then the writer's strike derailed it. The fact it doesn't even have a new release window at this point is concerning.

[@ccateni28]

I wonder if it was "woke" and that's why they got scared, even more so recently with the election results. I mean, why delay it NOW of all times? 🤔

[@leemastro9904]

As usual, a very well thought out analysis. I think you are right, about all of it.

[@Wolverine626]

Stranger things could happen, but I think Sony giving up the rights is about as likely as WB giving up DC.

[@jasonsantos3037]

I'm really Skeptical as well if Sony is really want to sell Spider-man back to Marvel one of the biggest iconic characters the biggest money Maker like Batman they really want to give up on their Cash Cow

[@jturner2577]

At most I see them being less hands on with Marvel.

[@saladinbob]

It doesn't pass the smell test. The MCU is already a damaged brand, why would they want to add to that damage by merging in another damaged brand? Disney needs to fix its own Marvel brand before taking on someone else's damaged goods.

[@jamesstewart8376]

In Marvel’s hands, Spider Man is a cash cow. They stand to gain a lot.

[@Nguyen-Frogboy]

I still don’t get why they didn’t make their spider universe movies just on POPULAR spider-verse characters. Imagine a PENNY PARKER movie inspired by the comics in the style of Evangelion. Or a Spider Noir MOVIE in the style of live action old black and white detective films. Limited cgi because it is using old cheap techniques from that era.

[@piccolo1906]

Sony just needs to sell their whole movie and tv division they suck

[@colt5189]

I still remember when John Campea said over and over again that there wasn’t a chance in hell that Sony would let Marvel use Spider-Man in the MCU.

[@Xamto7]

What Sony should have done with the spider man villain movies is make spider man the antagonist, basically a superhero movie from the villain’s perspective

[@jturner2577]

That would have been genuinely groundbreaking for the genre.

[@Isabel369]

Sony is just a dumb company all they have to do is make Spider-Man 4 with Toby and they will get a billion dollar movie guarantee

[@gordiebrooks]

The question is, can Disney afford to buy it?

[@ciaranmurren]

Even with the flops, the Holland movies far exceeds it. They're making billions and it's all Sony has.

[@mattimusprimal637]

The “source” is MyTimeToShineHello. They’re a known engagement farmer in regards to comic book content and has shared many incorrect 'scoops'. The user is banned from being shared on several Reddit channels for being inaccurate.

[@KickItToTheKing]

The rumor source is coming from someone who is NOTORIOUSLY dropping scoops that don’t pan out

[@davidgantenbein9362]

The longer I think about it, the more it’s imo obvious that following the „Maleficient formula“ (making a beloved villain a misunderstood hero that has to fight a boring villain instead) doomed most of these movies. I wonder if the old Universal Monster movie approach of Monster vs Monster wouldn’t have worked better? Morbius fighting Venom and Kraven hunting down Spider-Woman could have worked so much better imo.

[@jturner2577]

The Monster vs Monster formula would have worked so much better.

[@MarvinPowell1]

No. The writing was bad and acting was even worse, not the ideas. Sony would've messed this up no matter what approach they took because they fundamentally have no idea what they're doing.

[@jturner2577]

​@@MarvinPowell1True but still

[@MohamedMukassabi]

The Venom Trilogy was the only thing keeping the SSU alive as they were the only films which were financially successful (critical reception was bad though).

[@MinasTsambanis]

Pascal and the rest of Sony's morons had a lot of nerve if they thought they could build s cinematic universe with such weak installments.

[@biostemm]

Why hasn't Sony just stuck to stand alone cgi movies for ghost spider, spider punk, and so on?

[@captindo]

Sony’s batting average is terrible.

[@bloodeagle6458]

That would be the stupidest move in a long line of stupid moves

[@gfwinn]

Sony would be better off putting their spider-verse characters on the back burner until they got some executives and creatives who know what to do with them.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

First Spiderverse was good. 2nd one was painfully mid.

[@nicholase82]

They could have tried doing The Scarlet Spider, Spider Woman, or even the Green Goblin.

[@BrianPhantom27]

They also could have done Spiderman 2099

[@marktheshark7588]

If this is true.That will be the death of Spiderman.Cuz Sony already ruined him by making him Iron-Boy jr.Plus,Tom Holland's Spidey is trash.So Disney will just finish him.

[@WarioSaysSo]

Disney Marvel is not trusted. Disney have been a disaster since 2020, and IMO I did not like the D.E.I Homecoming movies either. All that race-swap on established characters killed it cpmbined with all its Avengers worship inclusion and high-tech suits further made me not like them. Sure the 3rd movie was best of them, but beside Garfield's Spider-Man, I was not a fan of having AGAIN Dr. Strange look/act like an incompetent fool. He was in the comics often regarded as a solid rock of knowledge and relyability. If Sony would sell its rights, then Universal seems like a better fit, or Lionsgate in 2nd pick. And the animated Spider-Man movies are now a freakin mess. To many characters and awfull mix of animation styles and all this multi-dimension skit is over-done. Just end this lazy plot tool. And no, Miles Morales is boring as heck. I would rather have seen Ben Reilly's Scarlet-Spider/Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2099.

[@tonyjunior-thefirstgentlem410]

Correction - "Spider-Man: Homecoming" did not make over 1 billion dollars.

[@gcwyatt]

Why buy the spiderwhen you already have access to the silk?

[@indarkestknight1]

Disney should trade Star Wars for Spider-Man back.

[@conradojavier7547]

Maybe Sony will Troll Microsoft for the Indiana Jones Game.

[@freedomwriter1995]

Universal would be the better bet. They wouldn't ruin it like Disney Marvel would.

[@jturner2577]

Universal will probably end up getting DC.

[@nunyabizness3866]

Universal could pay for it using Disney’s money from Hulu sale.

[@itsamekevin]

Universal would never get the Spider-Man film rights

[@mikenayers5981]

The license isn’t Sony’s to sell to another company.

[@fishjones4618]

Citation needed.

[@dash-ryan]

I foresee Sony trying one more Spider-Man movie before throwing in the towel.

[@heardofrvb]

Did Concord burn their pockets that bad?

[@mrbigglezworth42]

A big 600 million hole in their pocket isn’t something that goes unnoticed.

[@JCardo2502]

If you think Sony ruined Spiderman, Disney will just finish him off. This is no victory, this is the killing blow...

[@stephenwoodard7756]

Absolutely not. Sony pictures has practically nothing with the same market value of Spider-Man. They are all but nothing without it.

[@mattimusprimal637]

Also, Sony only spent half of Kraven the Hunter’s budget. So, they’re not as affected by the box office bomb as they’re making it out to be!

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

“Any character that made their debut in a Spider-Man book.” Wouldn’t that mean they have the rights to The Punisher? And arguably the modern, Emma Peel-inspired Black Widow?

[@baileym43ish]

i can see Rothman unloading Spider-man out of spite because that dude hates super heros so much.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

Andre pretty much listed my thoughts when I saw this rumour.

[@SpaceJawa]

Given Bob Igar's history of overpaying for stuff, I could believe Disney paying way too much to get 100% control of Spider-Man back.

[@MercuryAlphaInc]

Turns out Tom Rothman is subbed to Midnight's Edge and was waiting to see André's breakdown to see if his hunch was right. 😂

[@davevanhorn9741]

Andre, I agree with you on the spider villains being damaged property right now. How damaged, I believe, depends on how well Marvel/Disney does with the Fantastic Four. I for one enjoyed the first two FF movies. Michael Chiklis and Chris Evans had the dynamic between Thing and Torch dang near perfect. If Marvel manages to redeem the FF then there's of a chance of this becoming reality instead of rumor.

[@markfacebook]

Something not mentioned is the fact that Sony has been hemorrhaging money in their PS division, which is a big part of their business model, on top of the movies underperforming. At the same time, I could see Bob Iger thinking news of Disney getting Spidey back might be enticing to investors. I think both sides are desperate enough to do business with each other. Sony needs money now, and Iger and Disney need a press win.

[@jonasirw1]

Disney would forever destroy Spider-Man in record time

[@MrDEMarq]

It's bad enough Universal give the Hulk back, but "Current" disney would ruin Peter just like in the comics.

[@IstariAzul777]

I’d only be interested if it was Disney selling marvel .. none of this gets better till then

[@ensabahnur7657]

YES! YES! YES! FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WITH COMMON FUCKING SENCE!💣🔥💯📠

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Just finish the last Spidervese anime and then Sony can be as self-destructive as it likes. I am done with the MCU and DCU. I am so over it, I went and wrote my own superhero novel thank you very much Hollywood.

[@nickd6303]

They should've had a Spiderman(Peter Parker) introduced in Venom 2.

[@SapphireKnight675]

Sony doesn't really have reason to keep the Rights outside of Free Money, so that's honestly enough to keep 'em away from Disney, but if they do, you know their gonna be asking for a S'ton of Money

[@douglastyser5510]

I hope this rumor is true like they’ve been messing up besides the spider verse Movies and the first 2 Sam Rami movies

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

2nd Spiderverse movie was so mid though. I'd rather Sony keep them, since Disney already wasted a whole Spiderman trilogy in the MCU.

[@Chrismw81]

I'd rather see Garfield and Maguire continue on in their respective series. I am not a fan of Marvel's handling of the character. And yes, you read that right. I want two separate Spider-Man universes

[@jturner2577]

I do as well. Especially if one has a notably different tone than the other. Like the Raimiverse being the light to the Webbverses darkness. Raimiverse Peter being a dad with 2 Super-powered kids, possibly a Crime fighting Trio a la Renew Your Vows. Webbverse Peter being hunted by both the police and the criminal underworld.

[@donovanbradford8231]

In the long run I could see Spiderman outliving the MCU because for what 3 or 4 decades there has been both a consistent demand for Spiderman, in both film, television, cartoons, toys, games, and other merch. While merch is the biggest money maker for IPs film is a very close second if done well. So I could actually see Marvel telling Disney in the long run we need to get those rights back because remember why there hasn't been a Hulk or Fantastic Four film in the MCU until recently or never because Marvel didn't own those rights.

[@AlphaProto]

Nah, they are making billions with Spider-verse.

[@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd]

Anything to make Avi, Matt, and Amy look bad knowing how they messed up Spider-Man.

[@ramamaginge2965]

The death of Spider-Man is coming. 😢 just like they did to Batman in the video games.

[@coasterblocks3420]

There is only one superhero and his name is Luigi! FREE LUIGI!!

[@imakethesites3048]

The only hope is that they hire someone with no Hollywood taint to show how much they live Spider-Man

[@Hemestal]

Thats going from crap to crappier.

[@garygreen5670]

Like handing a child to a fiddle file to look after.

[@IdleWandering]

With Sony trying to grab kadokawa they really don’t need spider-man as there main ip they can use other anime and stories to bring to market now. Also since marvel have been trashing spider man for over two decades now in the comics the spider-man’s brand has become tarnished, the only bright spot they have is the new ultimate line

[@maverickman6486]

Why not use the villains as villains in spider-man movies? Seems like an easy win to me.

[@pedrolopes8]

Merch is where the money is...

[@steveb9713]

I’m surprised they didn’t try to make more spiderverse live action movies like 2099 or spidergwen. Why make villains the protagonists?

[@stanley13579]

Public service announcement: The SECOND Disney gets the rights to Spider-Man, they're swapping him out with Miles Morales. ☠

[@kevincampbell989]

What Sony could do is give Disney full production rights but keep distribution rights so Disney would have to let Sony distribute any new Spider-Man movie. But theyd probably be petty like with Universal and Hulk and just never make a Spider-Man movie again just to screw with Sony. And make Spidey a supporting character like Hulk. Only showing up in Avenger movies.

[@stevendorsey4850]

I'd be excited by the prospect if Marvel wasn't losing so badly these days with their MCU, and their comic books being in the gutter.

[@SunnyGkb]

I just given up on all hope of Spider-Man from Sony and Disney that I don’t even care about him anymore and dats a dang shame I feel like neither will ever do him justice smh

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

The value is in Spider-man's enemies being his enemies. Selling them back would be idiotic. What they should do is more Spider-man with his villains as villains instead of trying to make them anti-heroes. Morbius if anything should've been a villain out to acquire Spider-man's abilities. However if they really wanted to make them anti-heroes, they should've done the Spider-verse Totem story where each of them comes in contact with one of the animal totems and now Knull wants all of them to make himself stronger. But, this means no more Sinister Six as villains

[@smartgoku9048]

at the rate of flops actors may just end up avoiding sony, disney, marvel, star wars, star trek and any other movie or show that has all the red flags to cause those dei flops. well that's if the actors have any brains and for the majority of them that seems unlikely.

[@Flaris]

If the MCU was in prime form I’d be more excited about this possibility…

[@jessehaberle9094]

It’s not true, Sony aren’t interested in selling SpiderMan back to marvel

[@stevensum2011]

Never. They still in profit.

[@drehm1011]

While the rights allocation in regards to video games wouldn't change the licensing agreement they have with sony certainly would. The only reason they have an exclusive agreement is because of Sony owning the movie rights and using it as leverage to get a deal that is clearly unfavorable to marvel. Sony selling back the movie rights would result in the currently exclusive spiderman games release on xbox as well as the other titles they have in development once they renegotiate the licensing agreement.

[@topher9507]

Guess they finally figured out, without using spiderman they got nothing. I think instead of a cash trade they need to do a IP for IPs from aquired fox movies trade.