Sony FX3/FX30 Cine EI Mode - Full Explanation

[@nickfetty84]

I watched several videos trying to figured out Cine EI and yours is the only one that explained well. Thanks so much!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. I'm so glad to hear that this video was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!

[@adamdrakestudio]

Really good video. Easy to understand and a lot clearer than all others I’ve seen.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Awesome! Glad it was helpful for you and thanks for watching!

[@JohnnyMcPro]

Wow! thank you - I just swtiched from the Canon R5c to the FX3 and my head was spinning - thanks for making my life that much easier.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Here is my advanced user guide for the FX3 if you'd like to check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOxgKqLlrR4bpY

[@sohailahmad7012]

The way you explain Cine EI was superb man love it

[@Josh_Sattin]

Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching!

[@castmaven]

THANK YOU, I've seen several Cine EI videos but you explained it perfectly with examples so that I finally understand it. thanks so much man.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Glad the video was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!

[@RealMattCook]

Thanks! - your videos are very helpful.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome! Thank you so much for the support!

[@MarineX]

Great explanation. So I film in my garage purposely keep the lighting low. So sounds like I need to either pick 800 or 12800 and manipulate my aperture. I'll try this today for a video I'm filming

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks! Yes, exactly. Pick the base that makes the most sense and then adjust exposure with lighting, aperture and NDs.

[@arminbaldon5347]

I am currently using the GH5 and I’m looking to buy the FX3. I’ve never heard of Cine EI before and stumbled upon your video. Despite being from Germany and not speaking perfect English, it was my first time encountering Cine EI, yet I understood almost 100% of what it is and how it works! Incredibly well-explained! You’ve earned yourself a subscriber!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and for the support!

[@bigpicturemediacompany2412]

I made the same switch from the GH5 to the FX3. Still learning... but enjoying the new camera

[@SuperYachtCaptain]

Thank you for this video. A lot to learn.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@benjhaisch]

Also thanks for making this as there are always a couple of things here and there that I pick up when watching others go through all is the settings.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome! I agree, there are always things we can learn from each other!

[@xavierfiems3787]

THANK YOU sooooo much!! Finally, someone who can explain something clearly!!! You saved me so much time as I’ve just bought this great camera, and couldn’t figure out what was this cineEI thing… THANKS!!!

[@Jason_Hermann]

Great video Josh! I never heard of this mode until you told me about it with the previous firmware update video! Awesome stuff, and it's nice to know we have another way to use the FX3 for log shooting now. Like you said, a "race car" method of using the camera for video ;) Thanks for your efforts and looking forward to learning more, Jay

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome Jay!

[@Chatkufff]

Thank you so much for the explanation Josh! I just got the Sony FX3 and I’m so confused about the Cine EI mode. Even though I watched a few videos on KZbin I still don't get it. But after watching your video, it helps me completely understand the Cine EI mode. Much appreciated! 🙌

[@Josh_Sattin]

You are very welcome. I'm glad the video was helpful. Thanks for watching!

[@geodude4real]

15:16 - Are you saying that you lowered the exposure and just turned up the brightness?

[@Josh_Sattin]

I would recommend that you re watch the video. The EI is just a guide to help you overexpose or underexpose the image to shift the DR. Changing the EI does not change the actual exposure of the image being recorded. Changing the ISO will do that.

[@geodude4real]

@@Josh_Sattin It all just clicked. Right now. I'm so sorry for all the dumb questions I wrote on here. Let me know if you want me to delete them.. I'm brand new to this whole world, I'm yet to purchase my camera, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can while I decide which one to buy.

[@PhotoGearFun]

WOW what a great video! I just got my FX30 and had no idea how Cine EI works you explained it so well with great examples. Thanks so much!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks! Glad the video was helpful for you!

[@emmanuelpanaretos3554]

Hey thanks Josh. This video really helped me to understand the principles of shooting in Cine EI. Alistair Chapman confused and bored me but your video simplified things. Great work mate.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Glad the video was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!

[@davidclune1671]

Great Video, great help for someone new to FX3 - this was very useful and easy to follow. I would vote yes on "run and gun" set up for outdoor on the FX3,

[@Josh_Sattin]

Glad the video was helpful. Thanks for watching!

[@sergeypasternachenko3901]

Thanks a lot!!! Due to your video I understood what is CineEi is!! It was very helpful!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Awesome. Thanks for watching!

[@CTOLARSSON]

Very interesting video. So to see what you’re doing, you need the LUT on. But can you then see if you’re clipping highlights. Before you could set zebras to 94+ in SLog3 and then avoid a clipped file. Is there a zebra setting for LUT on which aligns with proper clipping in SLog3. I’m guessing that 100+ after the LUT doesn’t necessarily mean the SLog3 is clipping. Or?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks! There are many ways to use this camera now. If you are using Cine EI you can turn the LUT on or off. If you turn the LUT off, it will judge exposure like it did before the update when you were in Slog3 with or without the Gamma Display Assist on. The Gamma Display Assist doesn't affect the exposure tools like zebras, histogram, etc. If you are in Flexible ISO or Cine EI with the S709 LUT on, its 45% for middle gray or 41% with the LUT off. I personally don't use zebras for a maximum luminance value. If I am doing something without controlled lighting, I rely on the histogram to make sure I am not clipping highlights. If you don't like how Cine EI and Flexible ISO work you can turn log shooting off and set any of the picture profiles to Slog3 and the camera will work exactly like it did before the update. Hopefully this was helpful. Thanks for watching!

[@CTOLARSSON]

@@Josh_Sattin thanks man. Great answer. Will try it out!

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@CTOLARSSON You’re welcome. Thanks for watching the video!

[@DarenYoong]

Very helpful for a newbie like me. Thanks so much, Josh!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Glad the video was helpful for you!

[@w2weddingfilms65]

Best explanation so far!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks so much!

[@QZ_AU]

thank josh, this is helpful! also disabled the dial wheel like you recommended. I kept turning those by accident

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Glad the video was helpful for you and thanks for watching!

[@UnitedWeBrap]

Just sent a small donation to your PayPal because of the time you spent on this video. I found this tutorial/guide extremely helpful. Thanks for posting!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support and am glad the video was helpful for you!

[@shqipdonsalijaj]

Great explanation, thank you

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@dylanjohndickerson]

Well well well, looky here. I googled 'what is Cine EI and your video was the first'. So awesome to see, Josh! Great overview! That's interesting that the low base ISO of the FX3 is 800. On the A7SIII it's 640. I like the fact that it locks you in to the two base ISOs though. I rarely go outside that range in my A7siii. The thing that I'm not a fan of is how you're unable to change the S-Log3 settings. I've made a few tweaks to mine and it kind of sucks that that's not easily available.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Yo Dylan! That's great my video showed up in a Google search. Yeah it's weird that the base ISO is 800 in Cine EI but 640 in Flexible ISO on the same camera. Yeah, that is also weird how they took away the settings, but you can access those by turning log shooting off and setting up one of the picture profiles to Slog3 and you have access to all of the settings like you did before. It's a weird workaround for sure.

[@BrainDeadProductions_]

Great video, thanks king. Explained very well. I'll have to rewatch it a few more times for it to fully click but that's more of a me problem. Thank you!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@vonwolfersdorff]

Love it, it did a live stream without log and when switching back to Cine EI, I filmed bad clips which were underexposed. Not gonna happen in future any more with your help!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Glad the video was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!

[@Antitux]

Wow, great video! I've been wanting to set up my fx30 to start recording, and I found this extremely helpful. Thank you!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Glad the video was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!

[@erick.gazbel]

this is gold, pure gold. thanks Josh

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. I'm super glad it was helpful for you!

[@JulienLaurentfr]

Thank you! I was a bit scared of updating the camera but now I'm fully confident 😎

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Yeah, you can use the camera as it was before using Log Shooting off mode. Have fun!

[@carl0sC]

Bro! You just changed the game with these settings. Thanks for sharing. You the 🐐

[@Josh_Sattin]

You’re welcome! I don’t think that I qualify for 🐐 status but I appreciate the kind words! 🙌

[@LucasPradoFilmmaker]

The best video at the moment! Thanks Josh

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thank you for the kind words!

[@arminfatol]

That's awesome! Where did you learned all that good stuff?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Years of using cameras, researching, learning, etc.

[@rodrazvan9656]

Amazing explanation…. Well done. Thank you

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@croydonfernandes9593]

I am so glad to have found this - the Cine EI function kept throwing me off but glad i watched this whole video. Quick question - when would you use a higher EI value?

[@Josh_Sattin]

I mention this in the video, but you can increase your EI to give you more dynamic range in the highlights, but I generally advise against this because the FX3 does well in the highlights and very rarely you don't have a scene that doesn't have any shadows at all.

[@croydonfernandes9593]

@@Josh_Sattin understood - thanks again Josh!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@marionquesneau]

I've watched hundreds of video about CINE EI and yours is easier. But I still don't fully get why we can change our ISO (to 400 like in your exemple), if the camera will record in its 800 ISO base anyway. It wont change anything on the camera and in the final video. So why would anyone would change his ISO to see something else than the base ISO and what he will get in post? Should we not work from the base ISO without ever changing the EI with our four ways to correct exposure (lighting, aperture, ND and changing base) ? OR maybe when we say "remember the camera will still recording at ISO 800" we forgot to say that if we change the EI at 400 we are still changing a parameter in the dynamic range? I would be eternally grateful if you could answer me on that 🙌🙌🙌

[@Josh_Sattin]

Yes if you change the EI, you are still recording at the base ISO. I would recommend that you rewatch this video. The EI is an exposure tool to accurately over or underexpose the image to push the dynamic range to the shadows or highlights.

[@currogop]

Thank you for this great video!🙏🏻🙏🏻 very useful, thanks from a Spanish production company

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@elyselapalme7040]

Extremely clear, thanks! Just subscribed :)

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching and for the support!

[@gianniskontos9419]

Thanks a lot for the really detailed explanation of Cine EI, I’m new in cinema line category using my new FX30 and it was really hard for me to understand how cine EI works. Greetings from Greece😊

[@Josh_Sattin]

You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@fraserharrop]

Cracking video, Josh. You articulate yourself very clearly 🤙🏼

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thank you so much!

[@AJMac1]

I like you, man, you're a cool guy and killing these videos. I'm on my third one, I think I'm binge-watching at this point, and I don't have my fx3 yet 😂

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thank you for the kind words! Glad you are enjoying the videos!

[@AJMac1]

@@Josh_Sattin Hey there, how are you? Quickly, can I shoot in a Standard picture style, or must I continue in Rec 709(800) to keep these settings? I've been shooting with the settings recommended in this video. This is my first cinema line camera; I'm coming from a Sony A7. I ask because I'm in 8bit and want to retain optimum colors. Thanks for this video.

[@avopross]

Thanks Josh! It was much easier to understand new functions of 3.0 firmware. But I have a question not about it. Can you say please how are you recording screen menu from camera?

[@Josh_Sattin]

You’re welcome. I often use an Atomos Ninja V.

[@avopross]

@@Josh_Sattin Thank you!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome!

[@brunogustavokilian]

Quick newbie’s question from my side. Time 14:38 - When you changed the index, setting the iso to 400 and open the aperture to get more informations from the shadow. Is it the equivalent of saying “exposing to the right jargon”? Thanks in advance

[@Josh_Sattin]

Sort of yeah, but you don't change the ISO. You also can accurately judge exposure and get it one stop over by setting the EI to 400 when at the base ISO of 800.

[@andrewscot5204]

So question: why would you want to change the iso to make it look different on your screen when it won’t record that way? Or am I missing something?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks for checking out the video. I address this exact thing in this video. I would recommend that you re-watch it.

[@chromiqa]

we definitely need a vid on how to set up exp for outdoor shooting

[@Josh_Sattin]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGWslGRvmrVmbLs

[@Cinq1]

This is very helpful. Could you recommend a setting for quick blog?

[@fouadhazboun5717]

i tested the cine ei with my sony fx3 and i have tried the low base iso and its gives me the same results 100% with the dynamic range no difference between 200 iso and 3200

[@Josh_Sattin]

Did you just change the EI? If you only changed the EI and nothing else then the image will be identical. You are still recording at ISO 800 and everything else is the same.

[@mamadhormatipour1933]

Thanks Josh!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@cevahirsahin6636]

Josh, two thumbs up 👍👍🙏

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks!

[@rithhouroudom]

Thats what I looking for

[@benjhaisch]

Love this, I just had two custom modes that set me up for 24p & 120p S&Q. I’d always stick at 640 and then spin the back dial a bunch to switch to 12800 when needed. Just added the ISO switch to move between the two with the ISO button on top and it’s just 🤌🏼

[@LuisRomanRivera]

You`re grate man, now i can fly with my fx30....

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thank you so much! Enjoy the FX30!

[@BringYourOwnGuns]

Dude! Thank you for this video. You’re basically the only one who has given a explanation on this.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Glad this video was helpful for you and thanks for watching!

[@HighlyAkicktive]

Thanks for the great and detailed information!

[@thomasobrienphotography]

Thanks a lot from France

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@goncaloafranco_OLD]

Great video, thanks! So Cine EI is a different and guided failproof way to expose the image. On the background is basically doing the same as fixating the shutter at 1/50 (or 1/100, 1/200) base ISO at 800 (or 12800) and adjusting the exposure with Aperture/VND/Lighting recording SLog3 on a regular sony camera, only presented on a nicer way and aiming to MM0.0 instead of MM+1.7

[@vietuser7]

Thanks for the guide! I’m completely new to the fx3 and slog3. I’m a bit confused about exposing with and without the lut. So what I read online is that someone recommended to expose without the lut first, because having the lut on changes the values, so expose without the lut and then with it’s properly exposed, apply the lut. It’s not recording with the lut baked in, so it makes sense to expose without the lut I guess. Here you mentioned that having the lut on also changes the values, but only on screen, not what is recorded. So why then do you change the exposure based on the lut, if it doesn’t change the actual values that are recorded but only what you see on screen?

[@castmaven]

you change the exposure based on the LUT so that it gives a more accurate representation of what it will look like in post when you apply that LUT and adjust highlights or shadows. If you only expose the Slog without the LUT, but you want to view with the LUT, then the LUT image on screen will appear over or underexposed.

[@fwm-Alexanderforde]

Thanks for the explanation! I just want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly because the whole constant recording at base ISO/changing ISO just in camera is a really confusing concept for me. So are you saying that no matter what, in Cine EI mode the camera will always be recording at either 800 ISO or 12800 ISO (which I understand), but then if you change the ISO, the exposure you’re seeing is only on the screen and does not reflect the actual exposure that is being recorded to the file (which I also understand)? But the part that confuses me that I want to make sure I do understand is, the purpose of doing something like changing the ISO knowing it’s not actually changing the recorded ISO. The dynamic range value of highlights and shadows (shown on the chart) is dependent on different ISO values, but that wouldn’t make sense if no matter what your camera is being recorded at either 800 or 12800, that would make every other ISO irrelevant… unless what I think you’re saying is true, which is, it seems like you’re saying - that chart is showing the different dynamic range values you get if you simulate* a different ISO value and nail the exposure accordingly for that simulated ISO value (I’m using the word simulate because it seems like that’s what you’re doing when you change the ISO in camera since it doesn’t actually change the ISO of the final video file), resulting in the final video file (at the base ISO of either 800 or 12,800) being either over exposed or under exposed on purpose, resulting in you being able to get more information in either the highlights or shadows for your intended needs? Sorry for typing so much, I just want to make sure I fully understand this concept because it is really difficult to comprehend for someone who’s never heard of a technique like this…

[@Josh_Sattin]

You are close. When in Cine EI mode, you can not change the ISO from either 800 or 12,800. You can change the EI, but all this does is change how the image appears and the monitoring tools. This is an exposure guide to force you to over or underexpose to push the dynamic range into the highlights or shadows. You are not changing the image whatsoever by changing the EI.

[@howardshoots01]

+Alexander Forde You're completely right about this, I'm a bit confused too, but I think the bottom line is by exposing "correctly" for a simulated lower/higher ISO, you may be losing detail in the opposite end of the spectrum, but it's just the idea of gaining detail in the shadows by lowering ISO, or gaining detail in highlights by increasing ISO. But there is a risk of losing detail at the other end too of course, it's just a way of accurate exposure without actually changing ISO at all.

[@MrPaulandpeter]

"Depending on the EI set as you monitor images at the time of shooting, you can use the Catalyst Prepare Plugin in post-production to reproduce the appearance as monitored." I think the point of changing the appearance on screen is that you want to reproduce it in post. Done this way will produce better image than say applying those monitored settings straight outside cine EI mode (therefore, both as monitored and recorded). Not sure if my understanding is correct.

[@tobiolatunji]

you are right Alexander, check out this video that helped me better understand this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5TOe2iGgcakkLc

[@gladoscc]

Great explanation. Thanks sir. Can you do a video on best autofocus settings for the R5 C for interviews? Thanks

[@ryansulak]

amazing concise explanation. how do you load the S709 LUT into the camera? You use that LUT just as a viewing mechanism for easier viewing, because youll eventually apply a REC709 LUT in post anyways right? but really the camera is still recording in SLOG 3 flat profile? and yes! please do a video on the fx3 for run and gun exposure, thank you!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks. It’s already in the camera.

[@Josh_Sattin]

The LUT does not get applied to the recorded image. It is a viewing LUT. The image gets recorded in Slog3.

[@DancedZikrNZ]

Hi, yes great explanation. Please could you do the outdoor settings video. I watched the Cannon explanation but that used false color. I guess the sony equivalent is use LUT and set zebras to 75 but something better than guess would be good. Thanks again

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks! I am hoping to make a Sony specific video soon, but check out this video because it will be pretty similar. I don't use false color in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHSnkq1netycqMk

[@zacbaillie5266]

Thankyou very much, terrific video

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@sstteevveenn77]

Honest question: Even before this update I always shot at the two Base ISOs. Whenever I was in a dark scene I would just bump to 12800 and add an ND if needed or plat with aperture. How is this any different? I mean I understand the workflow slightly changes if you move your exposure index, but if you always keep it at Base, then its almost exactly like before when you would keep ISO at Base as well, right?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Great question! I was also wondering if there are any other differences. I'd like to compare the images and see if there are any subtleties. One thing that seems weird to me was that the base ISO before was 640 and now in Cine EI it is 800. Makes me think it was 800 the whole time so maybe something is going on there. Not sure.

[@TiberiousGreene]

@@Josh_Sattin I think we thought of this, maybe we assumed because zebras and such didn’t work below 640

[@ItsBerg]

The only difference, is that now you can set 2 settings.. which base iso u want (800 or 12800) and then which EI you want. When you go up or down in EI you are changing where your dynamic range is. You get 16 stops, but do you want more of them in the shadows? If so then lower EI.. if you have a scene with mostly highlights, then go up in EI and it will prioritize the highlights and give you more stops if dynamic range there. That is it, no more no less. It changes the normal model upside down.. normally we’d add iso in the dark. In this case, stay at base iso but the lower EI setting is what you want when you need to capture more shadow detail, and a higher EI is what you want when you want to capture more highlight detail. Done.

[@JohnnyMcPro]

QUESTION: In flexible ISO mode, if you manually set it to 800, is that essentially the same as using the base ISO? (even though it was a manual operation)

[@bzcrk]

Yes!

[@ifilm6746]

Wish they had internal ND capability. thank you for explaining its very useful.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Oh yeah, I wish it had NDs too. Thanks for watching!

[@od.skills]

Hey Josh! Thank you for the explanation, but does this mean no more ETTR in exposition process? I mean there is no sence if you use EI to expose ebove 0.0

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. ETTR is always a personal decision. You can still ETTR if you want to by lowering the EI. If you want to ETTR by 1 stop for example, just lower the EI from 800 to 400 and then expose normally. The EI is essentially an exposure assist tool.

[@bananasandbass]

It’s quite funny that they give consumers too many picture profile controls, and in more professional cameras (FS5,FS7,FX3,FX6,FX9) they limit a few things so you can’t do it wrong haha.

[@lukastemberger]

Because in non-cinema cameras, it's not wrong. It's only wrong for filmmakers.

[@geodude4real]

Wait, at 13:23 you just showed it properly exposed with the LUT off, but if when it records the file into slog it doesn't save it with the lut applied, wouldn't you want it exposed appropriately for when the LUT is off, so why did you change it back to 45?

[@Josh_Sattin]

I would re watch the video as I do explain this. The LUT is not baked into the recorded file. If you have the display LUT off then set your zebras to 41%. If you have the display LUT on then set your zebras to 45%.

[@geodude4real]

@@Josh_Sattin I understand the other two comments, but this one I'm still not quite understanding. When you set your zebras to 41% you are affecting what is baked into the recorded file right? If so, then lets say you turn the LUT off, and record the file and apply the LUT afterward. And then, with a duplicate / clone camera you turn the LUT on, change your Zebras, and then record the file. When you play back both those files, they should then look different from one another right?

[@geodude4real]

P.S. Your videos are amazing, your colours are brilliant and your lighting is out of this world. Not to mention, you're a very good teacher.

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@geodude4real The zebras are just an exposure guide. What gets baked into the file is the actual exposure that you control with lighting, aperture, ND, etc. If you set the exposure with the LUT off at 41%, don't change anything (lighting, ND, shutter speed, aperture, etc.) then turn the LUT on it will be properly exposed with zebras at 45%. Its just how the Sony camera applies the zebras. LUT off, set it to 41%. LUT on, set it to 45%.

[@geodude4real]

@@Josh_Sattin I really want to understand this, do you have time to jump on a call and I pay you for 30 minutes to explain to me?

[@bastilombardi9964]

Hi Josh, great video. One question: What is the difference between "S-Gamut3.Cine/Slog3" and just "Gamut3/S-Log3"? Which would you recommend for best quality. Thanks!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Feel free to check out this link for a technical explanation. I use S-Gamut3.Cine www.sony-asia.com/electronics/support/articles/00145905

[@safarhere3706]

Thank you

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@SethParker]

Am I correct in thinking that they removed the "Lock" on shutter, iris, and iso when in CineEI?

[@thomclhn4591]

thank you!!!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@Lisardust]

Thank you for the explanation! If you are shooting in the snow, do you recommend moving the EI to 2500 iso?

[@pedalandypedal]

Does the technique you applied to shifting the EI down to 400 for retaining shadow info apply to when you're shooting in low light at ISO 12800? I'm assuming that if the priority is to retain highlights, you'd just go the other direction on the EI index?

[@thegreatbambi42]

I have watched this video about 5 times now and am still terrified to shoot cine ei at some of these local sporting events I shoot. I just dont want to ruin my exposure. The lighting in some of these venues is always so terrible. I think im just going to go in with a base of 12800, I only have the 16-35 PZ F4 with a variable ND.

[@Josh_Sattin]

No need to stress yourself out. If you just shoot at 12,800 in Slog3 you will get the same result. Focus on getting the shots right.

[@DSvoboda356]

Thanks so much for this. Can you use AWB in FlexISO mode?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Yes you can.

[@GB_Studio]

great video

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks!

[@richardnayfilms2812]

If I am a 3 year old, what is the reason you'd want to change your exposure on the LCD if it doesn't bake that exposure in the file? What is the point of the exposure index if it doesn't change anything?

[@dannydirect]

Right?! 😅

[@faded_memory]

Would the same logic apply to shooting bright scenes? Shooting at 12800 iso and increasing the EI to gain more highlight dynamic range?

[@Josh_Sattin]

No. You definitely want to stick the the base ISO of 800 unless you are in a super low light situation.

[@halfbinz]

Cheers for the breakdown and info handy to know. I do have one part bit confused by the two modes. If place camera into ISO mode and Then test scene in cine ei Both same iso settings, shutter and aperture with LUT preview enabled the cine ei is dark and hard to see the image. Not sure why this is when matched exact same settings in controlled environment? Surely should produce sake image when viewing?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Is your Exposure Index set to the base ISO?

[@halfbinz]

@@Josh_Sattin yes correct, if I match exact same settings

[@Brandon4Weiss]

Does the FX3 have "My Dial" (or whatever it's called) customizations like the a74 and a7s3? You can set a custom button to trigger different dial functions while holding it down. You could keep the shutter as that front dial that way, but only when holding down whatever other custom button you have programmed for it. No more accidental shutter speed changes!

[@SelmoMediaProduction]

Is that a canon lens?

[@jackfisher7274]

Hi.. Thanks for the explanation.... Do u know why they greyed out the gamma display assist on the fx30 when in SLOG3? Probably the same story on fx3...

[@Josh_Sattin]

I'm not sure why exactly they did that, but now you have to just use the display LUT feature instead. If you really want to use the gamma display assist you can turn log shooting off and change any of the picture profiles to Slog3 and it will work like the camera did before the firmware update. Kind of a workaround and I don't think this is how they want you to use the camera. I find the display LUT on to work really well.

[@jackfisher7274]

@@Josh_Sattin yes I think you're exactly right... Thanks for the answer

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@jackfisher7274 You're welcome!

[@benmarkfilms]

Yo dude! This video was so helpful thank you! I just have one very bizzare question for you - my Sony monitor screen looks the same as yours with a different look to the battery percentage etc. Mine is exactly the same, the audio channels don't appear where everyone else's does? Why do ours look different to everyone else's? I thought I had bought a fake FX3 for a sec

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. That probably has to do with which firmware you are running on your FX3.

[@Soundwave857]

6:16 I wish my sIII had that menu. I would love to have iso on the front dial but i can only swap Av/Tv >_> Sony finally needs to bring all the cool new software stuff to the sIII. Even the cheaper IV has it

[@Coinsandtokenz]

do you have any specific ND filter Recommendations ? fx3

[@Josh_Sattin]

I like this one - geni.us/hvFBj

[@SteveRockstein2]

thanks much

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@hotel3sixty64]

Josh are the base ISOs different on the FX3 and FX30

[@Josh_Sattin]

Sort of. The base ISO of FX3 is 640 in Flexible ISO and 800 in Cine EI. This is super weird but it's been that way since V2 of the firmware. The base ISO of the FX30 is 800. They do have different sensors.

[@hotel3sixty64]

@@Josh_Sattin Thanks mate

[@impactx]

Thanks for this great video Josh. Did you by chance find a way to streamline the custom WB selection in Cine EI? I need to adjust my WB quite frequently, but can"t find a quick way to select it.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome! I use the WB button (custom button #2) on top of the camera to quickly access the white balance.

[@impactx]

@@Josh_Sattin Thanks Josh!

[@sharkerio]

Do you have a cineEI editing g video?

[@Josh_Sattin]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGWslGRvmrVmbLs

[@edi18912]

How do I set up continuous autofocus while recording video so its always autofocusing on the Centrepoint?

[@ZBSstudioBE]

great

[@birdnerdqc4028]

A bit late to the party, but thanks, firest video about CINE EI that I can actually say, I.. mostly understand haha, got my FX30 a few days ago, will try and fail probably, but I will try ! Thank you

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@danfarmer_photo]

Wow! Great video. Could you possibly do a similar video on SLOG3 exposure with the grey card using the A7siii with the ‘normal’ firmware? Thank you.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks! You would do it exactly the same way, just set the ISO to either 640 or 12,800. Adjust the exposure with lighting, aperture or ND.

[@danfarmer_photo]

@@Josh_Sattin True. The purpose of my question is really about my next camera buy. Another A7siii, or the FX3. If I can get the same outcome, I’ll get the A7siii. But (and I hope you can clarify), the FX3’s advantage now is I can essentially “buy” dynamic range in shadows OR highlights (not both at the same time) with moving the exposure index to suit the scene. Whereas, with the A7siii, I am limited to lighting, ND’s, and aperture. Is this the main advantage? (I hope I have asked that correctly).

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@danfarmer_photo Yes and no. In reality I don't recommend most people changing the EI on their FX3. I do say this in this video. The main advantages of the FX3 are the XLR handle, different buttons/controls and having a fan. Some people would rather have an EVF on the A7S3. Shooting in Cine EI is probably most helpful for pairing the camera with FX6s and FX9s. A lot of people are happy about the custom LUTs too. You really can't go wrong with either the FX3 or A7S3.

[@danfarmer_photo]

@@Josh_Sattin Thanks again Josh. Very much appreciated.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@diegovalverde6787]

Hi josh , quick question , is this the actual way to shoot on cine ei? I read the alister Chapman article about cine ei saying what you said but on the KZbin Sony official page they say you just change the ei without changing lighting or any exposure tools . I’m confuse about this please help

[@THELIFEOFCB]

When I’m out doors and it is dark how do I over expose, having an issue with his especially as I’m running and gunning the values are always changing

[@Josh_Sattin]

Use a faster lens, add light or use the second base ISO.

[@AlessandroCurzi.]

Dearest, I follow you from Italy, thanks for your work. I can't help but notice the enormous noise in every one of your videos. Don't move do the basic iso. Why? Many youtubers say that Sony recommends lowering the low base ISO or the high base ISO to reduce grain, why don't you do it?

[@jean-yveschantoiseau3110]

Thanks mate. You rock :)

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@lucasoldwine1130]

Hey Josh, really enjoying your videos. Would you go for the FX3 or C70 for run n gun documentary when you need best quality with best convenience?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Both are great cameras and can't go wrong with either, depends on what you are shooting and the other gear involved. This could be a whole video. Pros for the C70 are ND filters and better battery life. Pros for the FX3 are size, extreme low light and IBIS. Both have XLR inputs.

[@lucasoldwine1130]

@@Josh_Sattin Is it true that the C70 has a creamier, more pleasing way of rendering images than the FX3? Maybe it has to do with the softness or the DR. I have the sense that it's easier to get beautiful images from the Canon but the FX3 does more for the price (FF, low light, autofocus etc). Would you agree? Appreciate taking the time to answer.

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@lucasoldwine1130 They both produce great images. I own them both. It's personal preference.

[@RandumbTech]

I was considering an FX3 instead of an A7S3, but man this camera seems so complicated. I have an A7iv and really need uncropped 4K 60/120. Which option do you think would make more sense? I like the idea of having a dedicated video camera but am concerned there is no EVF. First world problems for sure 😂

[@Josh_Sattin]

I wouldn't let the new update concern you. You can turn the log shooting setting to off and it acts just like the A7S3 and the FX3 before the update. You can't go wrong with the A7S3 or FX3, it really depends on what you need and prefer. If you want an EVF then get the A7S3. If you want the ergonomics, buttons, tally lights, xlr handle, etc. get the FX3. Same image.

[@RandumbTech]

@@Josh_Sattin Thx Josh!! The audio features are fairly important so perhaps the FX3 is the better option. I’ll have to head to my local camera shop and see which one prefer. Thx again!

[@Josh_Sattin]

If you prefer the A7S3 and only need the xlr inputs some of the time you can always get the XLR-K3M module.