Sony FX3 vs FX30 is it worth it?

[@DDangBee]

one of them is a cake.

[@jayrey7]

😅😅😅 cake

[@SpaceLike9]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Hyped007]

Underrated comment

[@lanolinlight]

Younger shooters tend not to realize that "full frame" is a 35mm still photography concept and APS-C sensor sizes are closer to the traditional 35mm and Super 35 cinema frame. Full frame mania has thankfully kept APS-C prices down for a decade now. We budget filmmakers who know how to light and expose by hand are grateful.

[@snaphappy7530]

Wait is that right? Wasn't video film also 35mm? Not talking cinema medium format imax or super 8 just standard film.

[@TheDeltaMoo]

​@@snaphappy7530 35mm film is oriented differently in cinema cameras. Full frame camera is 36x24mm while in film the size is around 24x18 or 22x16ish if audio is included

[@mautissera]

​@@snaphappy7530 it's the same film but oriented vertically, that's how the chassis works in a film camera, resulting in a much smaller frame.

[@kennyadvocat]

I'm glad apsc users have been keeping m43 prices down. 👍

[@Crlarl]

Funny enough, the term "full frame" is also in the cinema industry, meaning .980"×.735" (24.89mm×18.66mm).

[@nanolog522]

Full frame doesn’t require more processing power. More pixels do. The FX3 has 12 megapixels. The APS-C FX30 has 26 (both for stills). So the FX30 actually needs more processing power.

[@robertolsen6797]

Exactly what I thought... When I heard "full frame requires more processing power" I was like "what?"...😅

[@nanolog522]

@@robertolsen6797 It’s just an empty phrase when he doesn’t have anything else to say. Possibly comment bait to get interactions up.

[@josephchristoffel]

so, videography doesn't need a lot of megapixels like photography?

[@gitnjur]

​@@josephchristoffelphotography doesn't need many megapixels either, 26 is overkill for 99.9% of use cases.

[@lucasvivante8988]

​@@josephchristoffelyou need 8Mpx to get a 4k in 16:9 approximately. Higher count if for oversampling or for photography. The fx3 has 12mpx because it's a 3:2 sensor but only use the 16:9 portion of it for video. The 4k120 use no oversampling hence the 1.1 crop, it uses a true 4k portion of the pixels

[@rico5818]

Keep in mind the 4k 120 crop is cumulative with the crop factor of the sensor size

[@CheefyArbiter]

Does this 4k 120p crop actually crop the usable space on the sensor, therefore reducing the available light even more and have even worse low light peformance?

[@rico5818]

​@@CheefyArbiterYes, but at the point of 120p, low light performance is the least of your worries as the time the sensor has to be exposed to light is minuscule anyways. So the low light performance isn't really the bottleneck

[@harrison00xXx]

something i see as advantage. I have acceptable 4k60 uncropped and superior 4k60 (1:1 pixel readout) in crop mode giving another 1,4x crop on top of the Canon R7s APS-C crop. Also we have to keep in mind most lenses you will pick on the effective focal length they have on the given camera, so in fact you can even make out of a lets say 17-55 aps-c lens (28-88mm on canon crop) another about 40-120mm with the crop video mode.

[@LeonardEisen]

Exactly! a 35mm on an aps-c is already a 52.5. add in another 1.6 crop factor and it’s an 84. cropping a 35mm lens to an 85mm is ludicrous. mind you, this also is a crop on the aperture. a 35mm 1.4 becomes roughly equivalent to an 85mm 3.36

[@CheefyArbiter]

@@LeonardEisen wait what? Can you explain why there are 2 crop factors in play?

[@outdoorlife_nature]

Full frame doesn't need more processing power, processing power depends on mega pixel and the use of pixel binning or sub sampling. And FX3 is less mega pixel among them.

[@harrison00xXx]

dont mind his nonsense he is mostly trash talking

[@blazingcurent2504]

The larger sensor doesn't mean for processing power. It just costs more to produce.

[@dawsonrpowell]

Man, this guy has no clue what he's talking about. Both use the same image processors (the same as all of Sony's cameras since the a1, BIONZ XR) and the FX3 has less than half the resolution of the FX30. The FX3 has a larger full frame sensor, but with a faster readout, which increases it's production cost. Also the FX3 is bundled with the audio top handle, while it is an optional $400 accessory for the FX30. The price comparison considering that should be 2100 vs 3900.

[@AlexSilvaCastillo]

That crop applies to every recording, not only 4K. APS-C is very similar to Super 35 so it will be easier to select focal lengths if you come from traditional cinematography

[@ags911]

I don’t think so. There’s already a 1.5x crop in normal use, but I think there’s an additional crop using 4K 120.

[@AlexSilvaCastillo]

@@ags911 you're right, I seem to have typed my reply too fast, before checking specs 🤦‍♂

[@selevideos6253]

1.44 million dots should be a crime on such an expensive camera

[@raveliogyt317]

With that kind of budget, they probably won't need it and go with external

[@selevideos6253]

@@raveliogyt317yeah true

[@Crlarl]

Yeah, that's not even 720p.

[@PRHeli]

Display resolution being different is simply Sony things. Latest camera gets a slightly better screen. They have been edging us with a slightly better card slot, slightly more versatile screen etc for years… and it unfortunately makes a big difference in convenience

[@rizzo-films]

Each has it's purpose for different professionals. I used to shoot aps-c and loved it. Full frame is my jam now but if i ever buy b camera to go with my fx3 itll probably be an fx30. You do get other advantages with the smaller sensor including a sharper image than the fx3, a closer zoom with your existing full frame lenses and better digital zoom with its higher resolution sensor.

[@bobbyfilms.mp4]

I love my fx30! can’t beat it for the money

[@muravey251]

What do you recommend to buy? FX30? there are optics for crop 16-55 f2.8G or save up and immediately take fx3 ?

[@chr1staki]

What are you using it for?

[@yukiseki-somionka6782]

Bare in mind employers love asking for only full frame as they think the camera makes the photographer

[@cbflazaro]

Never seen a pro with hundreds of events experience shooting on a apsc dlsr with 18-55 kit lens. Kit doesn't prove the skill, but likely someone rocking fx3+fx9 will potentially be more experienced than someone with a a6000 and 18-50 kit

[@josephpbrown]

​​@@cbflazaroYou have a good point, but I think that's beside the original point. Plus, sensor size hardly has anything to do with quality in the age of 12800iso camera bodies - the APSC trash-talk came from a time when 3200iso was an "artistic endeavour" and produced nearly unusable stills and video, and camera manufacturers have been selling the snake oil ever since. The main reason you'll see a professional use a FF cam like the FX3 is because their existing kit is all FF gear. This is usually because they were starting their professional endeavour anywhere from 10-30 years ago when the extra image area and larger pixel pitch of a FF sensor _DID_ make a visible difference to the final image, and they still want to use their existing lens set as they always have, without any cropping. Plus, the main draw of a higher-end video-focused body is ease of use. Something like a Canon DSLR, especially the APSC ones, were designed with stills in mind, and the video capability was hardly a concern and often got thrown under the bus, with rare exceptions like the later 5D models. At worst, you have to install 3rd party software (Magic Lantern) to even unlock the video modes on some older EOS cameras. And even then, they lack most of the video controls and UI elements that are so useful on these FX cameras, which is why they exist. The music production world has this all figured out. The end-user listening on their TV speakers won't notice the difference between a song mixed on a £2k Behringer mixing desk or a £200k custom-built SSL desk, but the main difference is _ergonomics._ The Behringer has all its functions and controls hidden away in menus, all 3 or 4 button presses away, with a proprietary button/menu layout only ever used on that specific console that was released in 2012. The £200k SSL has most of the controls mapped to physical knobs and buttons that are repeated for each audio channel. Those knobs and buttons react nearly identically to the same knobs and buttons laid out within a few mm of the SSL desks produced since the 1970s, that have mixed the majority of the music recorded in the last 40 years. The £198k difference pays itself off in the minutes you save each recording session not having to dig through menus to dial in the exact sound you want.

[@poti732]

@@cbflazaroyes. Gear does not make you a better filmmaker but when you start to know what you are doing and know the basics of it gear elevates your knowledge if you learn how to use said gear. There are scenes that you simply cannot record the same way without an Fx6 forexample. Just lets do a basic test. Record a scene in a dark cave and the camera is on a slider or dolly , panning from the dark cave and following a subject that leaves the cave. Your sky will be overexposed. You either have to manually turn a VND while following a subject ( which is gear ) . Or use a camera w an built in electronic ND filter to compensate. You can raise the iso in the cave and mid shoot turn it down but thats gonna look nasty because the toning is not gradual and it would create a lot of noise in the dark scene.

[@poti732]

Or you can tone it down in post but oh wow thats another “gear” because you would need some kind of raw format to be able to really compensate and thats gonna either cost you an atomos ninja or a very expensive camera that can shoot internal raw.

[@risla-prods2001]

@@poti732 You say a lot of nonsense, for the case of the cave it is true for Sony cases but not for all brands, a Lumix S5iix for example manages it like child’s play, the automatic management of exposure is hyper fluid and progressive.

[@Pompez_]

Both looks beautiful and Im sure they are!😊

[@mihaiserbanescu8676]

What I don't like about the FX30 is that it's nowhere near as good as its bigger brother in low light. The dual iso is stepped differently and it's so much lower. You absolutely have to control every aspect of the lighting or you will get a bad result. Meanwhile the FX3, see's through darkness like no one's business.

[@valerio_c]

Fx30 6k downsampling.. more detail and sharpness

[@TienTran-io8ue]

are you joking?

[@samlasiter866]

​@@TienTran-io8ue no he's right

[@RobertJBareIII]

The screen difference can also be attributed to the fx3 coming out years before the fx30 lol

[@Harvardsons]

Might also be a deliberate choice because the envisioned FX30 users (more beginner) might not use an external monitor.

[@ags911]

@@HarvardsonsOr battery life drain could be increased from a higher res brighter screen on a full frame camera. And also because it’s more likely to be used as the main screen as pointed out above.

[@FreshSqueezedLightning]

They're both great cameras, I've used/owned both a ton

[@davidward6162]

Which is better for motion pictures?

[@FreshSqueezedLightning]

@@davidward6162 I mean, it depends on your budget and what you’re doing. The FX3 is superior, but the FX30 has some use-cases as well. If you want to see examples, I have some comedy short films shot with both on this channel I’m commenting from. “Home Sweet Home Invasion” and “Attack of the Chipmunk” are both shot on the FX3. “Call of the Creep” was shot on the FX30

[@TALMANBABY]

Which is better for short films?

Why would the full frame need more processing? It do have a bigger sensor though. And considering the price of the lenses the customers may have deeper pockets too.

[@Mac0SXTutorials101]

it doesn't. this dude is talking out of his has. the fx3 has half the megapixel's as the the fx30.

[@creepyloner1979]

bigger photosites = higher useable bit depth = numbers with more digits = longer calculations to process them.

@@creepyloner1979 Seem to be 16 bit raw for both. I was too lazy to check the number of pixels for both when I wrote the comment but there was 12 vs 26 megapixels on the FX3 vs FX30 so more pixels on the smaller sensor.

[@creepyloner1979]

i was speaking in general.

[@berkyberry]

Noob here, so the APS-c has 1.5 (35mm) x 1.5 (4K@120) so a total 2.25 crop factor if I understood correctly. What about the FX3 in 4k@120 is it only 1.1 crop factor or 1.5 like the FX30? It’s confusing.

[@hell-bentfpv]

I have an FX30 and I just realized that there's a 4th visual indicator that it's not an FX3. 1 is the logo, 2 is the "Full Frame" text, 3 is the extra circle in that front sensor group, and I've just noticed that the 1/4 20" holes on the FX3 are bare metal whereas on the FX30 they are anodized black. The more you know...

[@pitrochied]

they both look beautiful

[@jakubkamas8547]

there is different size of fullframe sensor that you are applying a 1.1crop rate?

[@Andyrewk]

Do the lenses not work on both? Like I have a canon r10 it’s an apsc with the RF-S mount. However my camera still uses regular RF mount lenses they just have a crop.

[@albertszabo5289]

Fx30 4k 100-120fps low light performance is not that great reason, the crop factor. Without crop is quite good 👍 Software is unstable, be aware it can crash/ reboot...

[@pipsasqeak820]

I know companies have approved cameras for there productions, I wonder if FX30 is on thag list?

[@Tobirama_isHimju]

If you're making a film, 4k 120 isn't a factor.

[@SamRielly]

How is it not a factor. Have you never seen a film with a slow motion sequence? Why was 4k 120 an option limited to only cinema cameras like red until recently?

[@poti732]

@@SamRiellyhe heard somewhere that film is recorded at 24 fps and his math is not mathing. He does not seem to know that when you slow down 24 fps it becomes a slideshow so actually we slow down 120 fps to 24 when we want slow motion footage.

[@Lil-Britches]

I don't understand any of this. But my interest is peaked now. 😮

[@JurassicTrance]

All that and no 6K open gate hard pass sorry Sony

[@adletkassym9600]

The bigger sensor does not require more processing, the pixel count does. The more pixels, the more processing u need to do.

[@surajbanerjee6850]

Sony has a 1.5X crop. Only Canon has a 1.6X crop

[@JeanBenoitLesage]

You are right, but he is describing the crop in 4k120. Both cameras have a 1.1x crop from their standard sensor size. 1.0 -> 1.1, 1.5 -> 1.6.

[@petrpohnan875]

No. For 4k/120 the APS-C Sony has crop 1.6. Learn before you write.

[@GregoryFariss]

@@petrpohnan875so a 1.5 crop for aps-c then an additional 1.6 crop? If so, that means a 35mm will be 84mm ff equivalent.

[@skrobie]

You added in the crop of the sensor which makes no sense in this scene

[@nordfilmcompany]

That 4k 120fps crop on fx30 comes in addition to the already 1.5 crop on aps-c sensor?

[@GROGU123]

You forgot the Full Frame Fx3 will give better BOKEH for the same equivalent focal length and distances. This is especially important when filming dramas and trying to create more subject seperation.

[@jr-vd9bi]

Just rub off the 0 on the FX30 and boom camera upgrade

[@Ra-Hul-K]

Help! I accidentally upgraded my camera!

[@Ra-Hul-K]

I cannot afford full-frame lenses yet. Oh! the horror.

[@SeaIsForCookie]

So it’s not full frame?

[@KnifeGuy_]

Had no idea the full frame had a crop. I thought a 35 would be a 35 on it.

[@askers81]

only for the 4k120 mode not while shooting 60fps or 30/24fps

[@thomaspalmer5098]

crop is 1.5 not 1.6 (canon's apsc is 1.6)

[@mr.tarkovish2587]

Full frame does not require more computing power if it’s the same resolution. However fabricating a full frame sensor is way more expensive.

[@creepyloner1979]

yes it does. larger sensor equals higher signal to noise ratio equals higher useable bit depth equals more digits to process.

[@asierallika1773]

FX3 sensor is faster even is a full frame camera. Look at rolling shutter tests. The dual native ISO, 800 and 12800 in the fx3 vs 800 and 2500 in the fx30. The Sony FX30 is a great camera for the price tho, with active cooling, suport for user luts, 4k dci at true 24fps intraframe and cine ei mode.

[@pennysteam]

Well use a smaller lens, crop lens point doesn’t make sense.

[@creepyloner1979]

makes perfect sense, you're just slow.

[@bojangbg]

it's not a 1.1x crop... only if you Turn on the Act ibis

[@lidiatheblackrose7798]

As a macro photographer APSC all day. Cheaper, smaller, lighter, less post cropping

[@GDvisualARTproduction]

You don't have to crop if you use the right lens on a full frame camera, and the APSC cameras are not smaller and lighter, for instance, look at the comparision of the FX3 and FX30.

[@lidiatheblackrose7798]

@@GDvisualARTproductionAn actual macro photo is 1:1 or higher. If you put an ant on a APSC sensor it takes up more sensor space than if you put it on a full frame. You have to use more magnification on a full frame to get the equivalent as APSC. I mean I use a loawa 100mm 2x on a APSC camera and I still crop. It's actually why I'm going small to 4/3 sensor. And sure there's cameras you can point to that are just as small but is that true overwhelmingly across the board? As someone who shoots at 4x I know how hard it is to reach that. So I wouldn't want to have to shoot at 6x to get the same shot. Just ask yourself why dedicated macro photographers use APSC or 4/3 😅

[@lidiatheblackrose7798]

@@GDvisualARTproduction I forgot to mention the effective focal length between sensors sizes. A 60mm crop is equivalent to 90mm full. Smaller lenses are lighter and ... smaller. I'm sure you can scour the internet and find edge case lenses but they cost more ... Just to reach equivalent.

[@Yodd]

Screen resolution has nothing to do with it being full frame. The screen on fx30 is better because the fx3 is 3 years older.

[@Africanewsnet]

What camera you use don’t really matter….its what you’re capable of producing 💁🏽‍♂️

[@BryanElliott_]

GOT BOTH AND THEY ARE BOTH AMAZING!

[@Ineshishere]

U rich homie

[@Frogsplash27]

Y

[@Malficion]

Why? Anything the FX30 can do, the FX3 can do better. You can even use the sane lenses.

[@btconnergaming]

@@Malficion Why not? Why would I buy 2 fx3's and spend 8 grand when I can get an fx3 as an a cam and an fx30 as a b cam and save 2 grand?

[@valerio_c]

@@Malficion why better? in daytime with fx30 you have more detail... starting from a 6k recording.. down to 4k..

[@pouranan]

Can someone explain to me the 4k cropping on APSC?

[@J27.Official]

more of these plz

[@ryeu8154]

Both cant afford

[@archiebrown6407]

Biggest issue is having to change all the lenses down the line if u go for fx30

[@GDvisualARTproduction]

You can use full frame lenses on a apsc camera

[@casco3683]

Getting FX 30

[@harrison00xXx]

you missed the point where the 35mm isnt just becoming a 50-55mm, but its because of the additional crop factor in 4k120 up to like 80mm not even close to your number you mentioned. This heavy crop can be an advantage or a BIG DISADVANTAGE whoever use the camera.

[@MrDrunkenMoose]

Using million dots as a metric for screen resolution should be a crime..

[@GDvisualARTproduction]

It needs that precision to see if the image is sharp or out of focus.

[@MrDrunkenMoose]

@@GDvisualARTproduction I don't think you understood what I was saying. Generally horizontal and vertical count of pixels is used for screen resolutions. Million dots is just a way of hiding shitty low resolution screens

[@truthkeeperfilms]

Man… at $3900 you can get a full frame Nikon Z8 that’s a phenomenal video and photo camera. Shoots 4K and 8K RAW in numerous formats: NRAW, BRAW, ProRES RAW, and then it has its H.265 for 10-bit and 8-bit video.

[@poti732]

The lens options are they key factor here. Sony has a lot and i mean a LOT of cine glass.. nikon has ? Zero… sony has a lot and i mean a lot built in ND and sony E to PL adapter like kipperties , nikon has? Zero… sony has XLR handles , nikon has… nothing. This is not saying that the nikon is not a phenomenal photo video camera , i think it is . But 8K is only important when you want to crop in and pro res raw can be recorded w a sony and atomos ninja. The gear around sony wins for video production. If nikon steps up their game and allows a lot of third party manufacturers to make lenses for it , cine lenses!!! Than we will have a talk about this. Not until than.

[@GDvisualARTproduction]

Nikon Z8 is 45mpx which is good for photography but not so good for video. Sony a7s III is only 12 mpx which is perfect for video and has amazing performances in low light

[@poti732]

@@GDvisualARTproduction the a7Siii is quite okay for pictures too if you are not aiming to photograph something that will be printed on the side of a building. 12mpx is enough if you dont crop in or print it on a huge sheet.

[@truthkeeperfilms]

@@poti732 - Yeah that's because Sony was first, but with Nikon acquiring RED, that'll quickly come to a close. So the cine lenses, codecs will expand for Nikon. As for normal lenses, Sony has NOTHING that competes with Nikon's primes. You either spend $1300-1899 for a good 50mm or $250 for a total turd. The Nikon 1.8 Primes are the best of any manufacture in price to performance. The optical quality of a Nikon 50mm 1.8 S is quite close of a 50mm GM and you can get a like new Nikon 50mm for $400. The same goes for 24mm all the way through 85mm. Nikon is focusing on amazing features at a VERY competitive price and its really paying off. The best selling brand in Japan for much of 2023 was Nikon so they're on the up and up. Can't wait to see what the RED acquisition will bring

[@truthkeeperfilms]

@@GDvisualARTproduction - Z8 is phenomenal for both, but at low light it'll struggle. But truth is, Sony's baked in NR in the A7S III make it seem a lot better than it actually is. It could go either way... just depends on use

[@gofilmyourself7919]

You forgot to mention the different sensors and the lack of 12800 native iso for the 30. That’s a huge deal.

[@hankypanky4u]

He mentioned the sensor size.

[@boxoffisa]

So why does Zv-e10 and a6600 exist when fx30 is also there? Someone make video about that?

[@kuros85]

Is a6600 still manufactured? I guess not, cause they have a6700 now. a6600 is 3 years older than fx30: a6600 released in 2019, fx30 in 2022 - and it's hybrid camera with viewfinder and mechanical shutter, which fx30 does not have, that's primary meant for photo, but also can do video. I own a6600 and A7III, a 6 year old camera, and am pretty happy with them, no need to upgrade yet

[@boxoffisa]

@@kuros85 you are right. Actually should be a6700. I think of a6700. If you look through, there is no big reason to upgrade from what you have though you can in a year when another camera and upgrades from Sony have been made.

[@kuros85]

@boxoffisa a6700 has exact same sensor as FX30, but other body, that has mechanical shutter and viewfinder, but no fan and no additional threads for accessories. And only 1 card slot. I think there are a lot videos comparing these in youtube

[@boxoffisa]

@@kuros85 mechanical shutter, dual cards, view finder and price tag should be the biggest difference as I can see. A6700 because I like taking photos and also making videos. But FX30 for video. Though I heard it overheat. Not sure.

[@HagaishiSama]

ZV - e10 is for vlogging The a6700, a6600 and a6400 is for pro work

[@evi1ways]

nice presentation

[@0ninetyseven97]

Thanks bro for this info

[@gwop827]

Honestly you could have just said this is an APSC sensor and this is full frame and the price difference is understood

[@Herkulez1981]

Yeah it sucked that Sony used their 1.44 m dots sceeen for so long , has nothkng to do with procesiing power just sony that cheaped out on them

[@bananabear009]

I never know there is a crop factor for FX3

[@numbersix8919]

What kind of dork would choose a full-frame system?

[@trimotionmedia5487]

lol nice one buddy

[@numbersix8919]

@@trimotionmedia5487 Why, thank-you!

[@Shokkwavez]

I'm so high I thought they where red dot sights.

[@itsROMPERS...]

He said a full frame sensor has a crop of 1.1. I thought full frame was 1 by definition.

[@milesl.2740]

The fx30 has raw recording. The fx3 does not. Thats a huge deal breaker for me

[@LoiteringReaper]

Like how you use sticky notes 👍

[@LaveaFirmis]

We need to stop using the millions of dots marketing BS these manufacturers use. Millions of dots sounds amazing but when you look at the real resolution it means a lot more. Eg. Nearly a million dots, sounds good....while 640x480, the true resolution sounds rubbish. (old example but you get my point)

[@Despolitizado]

a diferença é pouca.. a unica diferença mesmo é no preço... mas tudo depende do que vc quer... nao adianta nada investir numa camera fx3 e nao recuperar o investimento depois.

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

uuuh you got some thigns very wrong here mate. A full frame sensor doesn't require more processing power based on its physical size... if anything, the FX30 needs more processing power because its 4K video is downsampling from a 26MP sensor while the FX3 is only 12MP. Then you completely messed up the crop factors : you completely forgot that the sensor already had a crop of its own of the FX30. So if you record at 4K120 with a 35mm lens on it oyu'll not get a 56mm equiv... you'll get a 35 x 1.5 (sensor crop) x 1.6 (4K120 crop) = 84mm equivalent

[@creepyloner1979]

not downsampled, they just read 4k worth of the sensor's photosites.

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

@@creepyloner1979 I usd the wrong term. The FX30 is doing oversampled 4K out of a 6.2K images downsampled into 4K. That's a little confusing. Even more so for the camera since it needs to process that 6.2K video into a 4K one, and that's much harder than simply reading out 1:1 4K on the sensor. This is what the FX3 does (kinda) What you're mentionning however is either pixel binning or line skipping, which the FX30 doesn't do.

[@mercedes600brabus]

I don’t know, when i will have so much money

[@pcfreak1992]

1.1x crop is full-frame? 🤨

[@creepyloner1979]

google pixel binning.

[@Zozzo984]

Full frame always now. Always

[@cassijoanna]

Apsc sucks in low light. The a7iv is way better than the fx30. The 4k60 crop is even better in low light

[@rowanstothard6758]

We should start talking about field of view when referring to crop factor. A 35 still has all the characteristics of a 35 when put on an apsc camera. It has the fov of a 53mm lens but performs and looks like a 35 in every other aspect.

[@harrison00xXx]

The look might differ noticeable. Just keep in mind, to replace a 50mm 1.8 lets say, you would need a 35mm F0,95 lens to keep the low DoF.

[@rowanstothard6758]

@@harrison00xXx incorrect again. The DOF doesn’t change with sensor size. If you put the subject the same distance from a M4/3 sensor and a full frame sensor they would look identical apart from the subject appearing larger in the frame on the m4/3. An f0.95 lens will look, perform and keep all its characteristics no matter what sensor you’re using.

[@harrison00xXx]

@@rowanstothard6758 No, you are wrong. To get the DoF and FoV of a 50mm 1.8 on FF with APS-C you need about 35mm F0.95. you know… shorter focal length also increase depth of field, and so you have to use a bigger aperture.

[@rowanstothard6758]

@@harrison00xXx I think you need to do some more research and learn about this subject.

[@harrison00xXx]

@@rowanstothard6758 i am 100% sure you have to

[@fofopho]

Looking at the 4k 120 crop as a 1.6x is goofy lol literally the same level of additional crop as the fx3 It’s not like it was magically a full frame camera at 24fps and now a canon equivalent crop sensor at 120fps. It goes from 1.5x (Sony apsc standard) to 1.6x (Canon apsc standard). That is such a negligible crop that most people won’t even notice it.

[@SamRielly]

Don't understand what you mean here, it's seen as a 1.6x crop because it is. It's not really negligible at all, it effectively gives you a micro four thirds image and removes the wide end of any of your ultrawides.

[@danielsamile878]

i thought it is red dot for a second.

[@EdoHDpro]

How about that 240 fps

[@Moriarty2007]

Rolling shutter - main difference!

[@Tobirama_isHimju]

FX30 fixes it in September I believe.

[@Moriarty2007]

@Tobirama_isHimju It's sensor readout speed, camera CPU. It can't be fixed by firmware update. Ony new camera will fix it. But Sony Catalyst app can fix it on post.

[@prathamshenoy9840]

@@Moriarty2007 what's the news about the rolling shutter? I thought the fx30 had a new sensor and had lesser rolling shutter??

[@Moriarty2007]

@@prathamshenoy9840 No news. FX3 - rolling shutter not noticeable (8.7 ms). FX30 - visible rolling shutter(15.9 ms).

[@ValugaTheLord]

This video is proof why people who only care about gear dont understand anything about hear.

[@subarusensei3685]

Wait a 1.6 is just canon apsc crop...

[@hotfootrabbit]

The 1.6 he's talking about here is what the 4k120 mode does on top of the normal Sony aps crop of 1.5.

[@subarusensei3685]

@@hotfootrabbit oh my ok makes sense.

[@VideoAssociates]

Apsc okay in most instances

[@auroraflash]

Funny I chose the ZV-E duo 😂 the 1 and the 10

[@akachris11]

Actually, the size of the sensor matters a lot! 😅

[@robertolsen6797]

Good luck getting people to understand that...😂

[@creepyloner1979]

you gain a stop worth of lower noise but most of the time you lose it to full frame requiring a stop smaller aperture to get the same dof, and therefore a stop higher iso.

[@Bleats_Sinodai]

Meanwhile I'm having a blast with a Nikon L330 lmao

[@svyatoslav.karlin]

Nice, but i buy A6700 with tilta fan) AI autofocus - is BEAST

[@dct124]

🤦🏾‍♂️ its not the sensor size for the millionth time. It's the photosites on the sensor 😅 this is why an Arri Alexa 35 has far greater dynamic range and low light performance than any full frame, medium format or large format sensor. Bigger eyeballs and better circuitry.

[@komay]

Larger sensors will always have a light advantage over smaller sensors ignoring pixel density.

[@daesong1378]

@@komaywhy?

[@komay]

​@@daesong1378Take two lights with the same intensity, and the larger one will always be ''''brighter'''' than the smaller one because it covers a greater area. The same is true for the size of a sensor. I imagine the Alexa 35 is the case of a camera with a LOT of money put into its sensor and circuitry design, so it can't exactly be compared to cheaper FF cameras like the FX3 given the money they have to play with. If you were to apply the Alexa 35's technology to a larger sensor, the larger sensor will absolutely outperform it. That's why OP's comparison isn't a good one.

[@GROGU123]

Sony A7SIII is made for video, it's a full frame sensor with only 12MP.

[@2pacisaliveee]

Idk why I got recommended this short, I don’t know crap about cameras 😂

[@CristoforoBonissone]

If you need to do video choose APS-C. If you need to do photography choose Full Frame , How difficult is that ? Hybrids suffer all of a lot of compromises.

[@Trippp550]

Can I have one for free? Thank you in advance. I really need a camera

[@bunyaadi]

There is already 1.5 crop in aps c. Generally full frame means no compromises.

[@creepyloner1979]

there's always a compromise.

[@Davidh741]

Speed booster for 1800 problem solved

[@DeezBMemes]

No more talking crap. Both are overpriced

[@Aurelio_-uo9dg]

Micro 4/3 camera 🗿🗿🗿

[@12ccathey]

I got the fx30

[@johnny6510]

Just buy a fuji

[@ethelquinn]

Whats difference between a7siii and fx3. Your wallet and tally lights, trash colours and trash Log file is a bonus 👍

[@PPhase]

Full frame makes the price not the lcd screen resolution 🤦‍♂️

[@GDvisualARTproduction]

a7s III is cheaper than the FX3 and pretty much the same thing