Sora's Smash moveset vs the original games 2

[@StickmanSham]

the original video received many corrections and ideas of where these moves may have come from, so I rewatched the gameplay demo and came up with a couple more connections to the original games

[@raisylvaine8398]

Ngl, Sora’s downthrow kinda reminds me of of the Failsafe RC in the same way the Morning Star one does, he throws the Nobody into the ground with his left hand; it’s just not quite as fast. Pretty good connection nonetheless, thank you!

[@Murilo_Bolzani]

I think his backthrow is based on that Winnie the Poo minigame from KH II lol

[@ChrisRolands]

Up tilt also reminds me of Chain Rave, from Re:coded. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp7KnaCZeap2sNU

[@Aniqqqerz]

So the legends are true, you did read our comments.

[@VeldWolf]

During the Sephiroth sequence you can actually see Sora's dash attack, it's , fittingly, KH1's Sliding Dash.

[@lucylu3342]

People who haven't played KH yet are gonna be in for a shock when the gameplay clips go from fairly normal Kingdom Hearts 1 to batshit insane deflecting a dome of lasers in Kingdom Hearts 2 at 0:45

[@sonicj.shadow5072]

it would be more insane if they even get KH2 and KH3 form ...for me just Final form from KH2 get in the Smash would be broken everything.

[@SlabOfSteak]

@@sonicj.shadow5072 Kh2 or Kh3 Sora would just dominate the entire roster. It wouldn’t be fair

[@harrisonjacobs2594]

@@SlabOfSteak still wish it was in :(

[@thegamewin100]

@@harrisonjacobs2594 he would have gotten insanely nerfed he even has reflect in kh2 which is busted

[@secondbestjojo1300]

​@@SlabOfSteak Kirby?

[@littlecasserole3052]

lmao the jump from kh1 in traverse town to sora fucking shit up in kh2

[@K1NG-R3X]

goes to show how much the boy has grown

[@brandonwilliams6119]

The jump from KH2 to KH3 is even greater in that Sora doesn’t need to sacrifice Donald or Goofy to achieve his transformations.

[@daseal1479]

@@brandonwilliams6119 That was only ever a gameplay aspect before as well, but nobody ever talks about it. You can see Sora still in said form when cutscenes begin, though like you said it's irrelevant as of 3.

[@DorkAndFriends]

@@daseal1479 Idk man i miss forms. Not saying that removing most of them for keyblade transformations was the best option, but tbh i would've loved to see what sora could achieve with valor and master respectively.

[@daseal1479]

@@DorkAndFriends It would have been nice to at least have an option for Valor and Wisdom, like how 2-style has it's own dedicated forms in 3. Though i could pass on Master and Final, for various reasons.

[@RooneyDUNX]

Up throw also seems pretty close to Sora throwing the first Larxene upward. The way he turns the keyblade during his final smash reminds of several of his KH1 summon animations

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

*ptsd of tinker bell maleficent cheese...*

[@Brieg_Skald]

Summoning Simba or Mushu. :)

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

The laser dome scene is still STILL one of the most badass moments in video game history period.

[@onii-chain]

honestly i still think kh2 is one of the best games ever created

[@egg2520]

I swear to god I've never seen Sora turn it like an actual key until Smash

[@PredictableEnigma]

He does for the summons

[@munitz3740]

I think the up tilt attack can also be seen in the Neoshadow reaction command and Subzero Impact in the Sköll fight.

[@nightcaller92]

Pretty neat how the Smash game-end is a mix of the KH2 hit-freeze and the KH1 whiteout

[@Redxan600]

The up throw is actually him using an item.

[@Cri_Jackal]

YOOO that's a good catch!

[@zemom.a.8171]

I think the aerial combo im smash resembles KH2 soras base air-combo more than KH1 soras air combo.

[@VeldWolf]

Theres two different ones depending on if you start with NAir or FAir.

[@Marshallchandra]

@@VeldWolf NAur and FAir?

[@DorienTheHeroOfTheArts]

@@Marshallchandra Neutral Air, and Forward Air

[@MaxxusDrago]

True. Nair is more akin to KH2's basic aerial combo while Fair is closer to KH1's aerial combo.

[@jonathangp65]

It's cool to see so many details packed into one fighter here.

[@CrownedJulz]

For the pour souls who have NOT touched a single KH game, please know this man did a good job to correlate the original moves. *From: an '01 OG KH fan.

[@simple_npc8320]

Do love that Sakurai and team put a lot of detail from a lot of his moves from the series. Its so nice

[@Davey-lm1qq]

Honestly surprised they didn't give him a comeback mechanic with a second keyblade at high percent.

[@jonathanwilson1539]

Or Anti/Rage From.

[@ImmaNort]

I thought Sora's throw was from the mini game where you Pooh gets stuck in a pot.

[@SuperMarioSwagger]

Isn't the up tilt attack, the reaction command against neoshadows ?

[@brandonwilliams6119]

It could even be an upwards Prism Windmill

[@pokespartytv8086]

@@brandonwilliams6119 lol

[@Namikazesora]

Yep, Wild dance, its so rare though to see it as they usually die too quick haha

[@AwesomeX]

@@Namikazesora The actual name is Wind Dance. Wild Dance is the reaction command against those water enemies Demyx makes

[@definitelynotasquid]

no its timeless river when you fight the tugboat box and u deflect the trash upwards i promise u its an exact match

[@Dekomlev]

LMFAO why is Sora in his default idle stance in the air like that on the last clip💀

[@reddodeado301]

Floaty game, unplayable/10

[@raisylvaine8398]

Since he was in the air during the finishing blow, he must’ve returned to his basic stance for the scene to play; tbh I can’t say this for sure, just a guess

[@mikepalmer1676]

Sora's version of TF2 Soldier's chad A-pose 😂

[@rocketdog734]

the trinity break attack's always been a little wonky when you finish some battles with it lmao

[@edgiest-edgelord-that-edges]

I noticed this in some KH2 videos lmfao I think finishing with certain attacks midair make you default back to the standing pose for a few seconds if you finish the battle with it Sometimes you'll notice him suddenly snap to his falling animation before the screen fully fades like "OH WAIT SHIT I'M FALLING"

[@Friendly_Neighborhood_Qrock]

You know theirs something very wrong if Sora can still easily defeat Sephiroth to this day-

[@brandonwilliams6119]

The Larxene throw does look very similar to the forward throw or was it the back throw? I wonder if his down throw will be Fail-Safe, he did it against certain nobodies.

[@djimonmcdonald9085]

Assassin

[@yakov9903]

Yeah, no. His side smash is DEFINITELY his KH1 counterattack animation.

[@stevez2158]

Might be Muscle Strike from Coded

[@VeldWolf]

Damn u right.

[@jassiemjackson3437]

It somewhat looks like Upper Slash to me

[@Cri_Jackal]

No, counterattack in KH1 is an upward slash, he literally uses the exact same move in smash with his counter.

[@yakov9903]

@@Cri_Jackal No the fuck he does not. Check it again fucko, you're literally just straight up wrong. In KH1, the counterattack animation plays as him recoiling back and using that momentum to do an outward spinning slash. You can literally watch Sham's last video where he compares his smash counter to his source counter and see that they're completely different!

[@КонстантинПаршуков-о6б]

2:10 Sephiroth tried to Royal Guard but failed.

[@BluntmanEXE]

Leave it to Sakurai to nail every single detail of every character he adds.

[@WalkerVA]

Up tilt is Zantetsuken. It's repurposed and styled differently but they're the same 2 motions. Twirl the keyblade and then a reverse grip slash

[@orangeapples]

So wait, was the move showcase linked to the clothing option? I would say the ending for stamina mode is more similar to KH1 since Sora doesn't need to use a finisher. The camera movement and blurring effect was more KH1 than it was KH2.

[@ultimaboi2950]

Tbh I thought Sora's up-thow is based off the animation of him using an item like potions.

[@nesoukkefka1741]

Also the move he uses to finish Cloud remind of Sonic Blade's Last Hit.

[@daseal1479]

It is, lol. It's his side B.

[@Lanoman123]

Because it literally is Sonic Blade bro

[@melvin7086]

0:54 when u pause at the right time *back break*

[@dogesec]

Another down-throw example would be the reaction command from that assassin nobody from kh2

[@ShirouBrando]

Up throw is also the same animation for when sora uses a item

[@slateoffate9812]

When Sakurai used Sonic Blade to finish that one fight, the Kingdom Key looked more like the Kingdom Key D?

[@stevez2158]

The side smash heavily resembles Muscle Strike from Coded

[@tsukiiyomii1232]

imo I think f smash is like upper slash in kh2, but I see where ur coming from

[@FlyShyGuy007]

Sora at 2:21: “I alone will stand at the top.”

[@TheAzulmagia]

Sora, you can't just launch a Fire spell into a woman's bosom.

[@metuos.3651]

Amazing chest ahe- wait no fuck wrong game NO

[@meevil24]

Bruh that slowdown at 0:47 was so cool

[@IkanaCanyon7]

I think Sora's down throw might pull more closely from the Assassin's reaction command. Also as many have mentioned the up tilt seems to closely resemble the Neoshadow command the most.

[@ElickFlash]

Someone else caught it the final smash was a reference to the Marluxia kill

[@Nosfera22]

Wow, he takes a lot more from the other games than I thought he did. Obviously Sora's entire appearance is mostly based off of 1 but its cool to see stuff from 2 & 3 as well

[@Funnemuffin]

Down smash is one of his combo finishers from KH2

[@jinx1987]

I just knew it was mainly based around Kh1 Sora just by his jump animation

[@waynesanvictores7770]

I can't be the only one who always finish sephiroth with trinity in KH2

[@TheBaldingPied]

something else to notice, ftilt 3 hit combo uses slap shot, that jump slash from KH1 is used for f-throw

[@SDSXellan]

I swear when slowing down the laser part looks like they reflecting nothing

[@VeldWolf]

It was designed for PS2 resolutions on older screens, so obviously they omitted the details in such a busy scene. Doesn't make it any less awesome or iconic.

[@dr3ad698]

seeying sora defeating sephirot still brutally epic

[@Lightpaladin720]

Ready for round 3 Sephiroth, we didn't meet when Kh3 came out or the dlc

[@kingarthurpendragon134]

The forward smash looks similar to slapshot from KH2, with the way sora puts his one foot forward and does a sweeping upward motion with keyblade instead of it being a normal horizontal swing

[@arthur1050]

his first aerial looks like the base kh3 sora attack when locking on to an enemy below sora

[@jorgecardenas3026]

I think his back throw comes from kh3 with goofybommbomer

[@jexusdomel5194]

A person said this in the last video, and I think it's more correct. His up tilt seems closer to the start up of tornado from chain of memories

[@CrystalHakurei]

One that I didn't see in either is that I'm pretty sure the single hit f tilt is slapshot

[@lilliegant73]

obama gaming

[@ruccsacc]

Isn't the final smash a reference to sealing the dtd?

[@blackastranyx6532]

How to tell when a person haven't played kh before. Watched this video.

[@SlyJMan]

I thought back throw was more a reference to the reaction command to those Nobodies who suicide bomb and Sora throwing them into the floor.

[@Gray137]

Final smash and sealing the world in KH2 use the same hop and Keyblade twirl

[@primepikachu5]

The up tilt is also the blade charge finisher in bbs without blade charge

[@newnengates3764]

Now we just need Riku for Smash ultimate and then the whole video game is perfect!

[@xeno4693]

This is the only accurate one I’ve seen thus far

[@demi43505]

I personally thought his down throw came from the Fail-Safe reaction command that he uses on the Assassin nobodies.

[@orangexlightning]

I think the Up Throw is actually more reminiscent of using an item.

[@caelumCh]

Yes, original movement is important.

[@sphereShots]

His fSmash looks a lot more like kh1 Counterattack, ngl

[@RoryRenee24]

Not you showing the laser fight for his uptilt 💀💀

[@TwilightKeon]

Kinda sad people don't realize his side tilt is slapshot.

[@FullSpiritTv]

Did i watch this despite knowing all his moves yes. Because I’m a simp for kh.

[@Coolio_Ash]

Omg the final smash is a com reference???

[@ShadowCurito]

His final smash is him sealing them in kingdom hearts itself if im correct

[@KaimArgonarEyyyy]

Every single move gotta be converted to vertical, since horizontal stuff has a less of a chance to hit-

[@KaimArgonarEyyyy]

@Tyler Davis Why have all of sora's moves be vertical focused then?

[@KaimArgonarEyyyy]

@Tyler Davis I don't, I'm just using my eyes. Attacks that are vertical moving in KH games have been changed to move vertically.

[@VeldWolf]

@@KaimArgonarEyyyy For example? His moves are pretty much exactly as in the original games. Aerial finishers are taken from KH2, which is a vertical strike.

[@KaimArgonarEyyyy]

@@VeldWolf Literally the first example. He swings upwards. diagonally, but still up.

[@VeldWolf]

@@KaimArgonarEyyyy As another commenter pointed out, Sham might have made a mistake there. Due to that exact diagonal angle you're complaining about, it looks more like KH1's retaliation move Sora uses after a successful Guard. It's not entirely clear but in that case the move would have the exact same trajectory as in the original game.

[@xephonian]

The up air looks nothing alike.. unless I'm missing something

[@sylvir48]

Isn't his f-smash kinda like Upper Slash from KH2?

[@Curious963]

No Zantetsuken as side smash saddens me

[@Cri_Jackal]

Would've been too slow for what they wanted for Sora's playstyle, but then you have to ask why they didn't go with Blitz? Probably because it would pop him in the air like the Finishing Leap inspired down smash, but they could've just used Explosion since they already pulled up smash from KH3's Magic Flash. Really, I think Blitz should be down smash, and Guard Break should've been forward smash, that way you have a different finisher from each numbered game.

[@TimothyGod]

@@Cri_Jackal they could have sped it up what you do with a lot of moves from the original games that aren't as fast as they could be there's definitely a few

[@snurgles3952]

i wanna own a switch now even a lite one is fine

[@matthewwysong644]

I still think the final smash should have been Ragnarok.

[@SimK64]

1:05 D4C?!

[@MegaFredification]

i think his back throw is more like kh3's goofy bombardier?

[@dyavie]

lmao damn this whole comment section is filled with kingdom hearts experts.

[@wyattwilkerson768]

So sham are you gonna do the Super Smash Bros experience?

[@Konobono7]

Hopefully

[@Redxan600]

And we have to watch him making us look like trash again with his skills.

[@OGSpaceMarine]

So Sora is OP then lol

[@heylookitscesco8698]

Sick

[@FuukauvvuJan]

I like

[@thepersonahunter..6260]

Ye

[@roybusiness6929]

Am i the only one who thinks his ultimate is pretty weak, like it must have been the trio move from KH1

[@izukazephoenix]

If they took it from CoM then maybe. Cause doesn't trinity normally need Donald and goofy?

[@loghh]

@@izukazephoenix Sora has a solo version of trinity too ^^ Its the move sephiroth is finished off in this video.

[@roybusiness6929]

@@izukazephoenix I actually expected Donald and Goofy to be in his final smash, like Shulk's, Joker, Ness, Lucas... But i guess it's too much to ask to Disney

[@dave9515]

@@roybusiness6929 Sakurai and the devs had a rule where characters that did not originate from games can't be repped at all in smash so no disney characters heavily referenced makes sense and its perfectly fine. Idk how long this rule will be around but i kind of like it honestly.

[@Brieg_Skald]

Sora > Sephiroth.

[@moondoor9031]

Sora is a badly written character but he's very fun to play with. That's all, a fun character to play with many combos and magical attacks

[@Lightpaladin720]

He isn't released and your already saying he's fun to play with

[@moondoor9031]

@@Lightpaladin720 Well in all of his game he is, so...

[@Lightpaladin720]

@@moondoor9031 wait until the 18th to play the moveset by yourself

[@ma.2089]

I like how Micah has legit no problem with u saying he’s a bad character, just that you shouldn’t proclaim something is fun when he’s not even out I agree with Him. As for the sora being a bad character, he’s had decent characterization I think the big issue is whether the characterization is good or well written, but whether they’ve remained mostly consistent in said characterization. Which isn’t the case. Sometimes they develop backwards lol I think we should all just be glad KH has some competent writing from time to time lol

[@Lightpaladin720]

@@ma.2089 He isn't it's just that I didn't feel like arguing

[@nopenopenopepikachu5206]

I love that Sora is gonna get in, but for a dlc character his moveset is kinda bland. Other than the lack of Disney I wish they would have been more creative and not have given him a counter. I would have loved that fire key move from the trailer. I believe it's a reference to kh3. It would have been a bit more creative.

[@VeldWolf]

His Guard + Retaliation is kinda key to his moveset in the original games, so while I get your point I don't think it's much of an issue. I'm a little bummed his Final Smash isn't Ars and that Strike Raid is missing entirely, but overall he's pretty well represented imo. Most of his gameplay will revolve around aerial combos, so it's gonna be just like the original games, which is awesome.

[@daseal1479]

@@VeldWolf They maybe shafted it to not overlap with Pyra's side B.

[@ShadowCurito]

His final smash is him sealing them in kingdom hearts itself if im correct