Sorry Kids, KISS Are Important to Metal

In Ep. 3 of #50YearsOfHeavyMetal, we explore the all-important influence of #KISS on metal's development, despite how much you kids hate them. Just hear us out, okay?
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[@scottmorgan2947]

I remember when our church tried to tell us KISS stood for Kids In Satan's Service and I was like, "no way, they helped Scooby-doo and the gang solve that mystery in the haunted amusement park!" Probably how I started to really question the so-called authority figures.

[@stevew6910]

Ahh the old Satanic panic years,,,,

[@martinkuliza]

yeah i remember that Except i was told it was Kids in the Service of Satan LOL... it was the day that i realize a lot of adults were fucking idiots because I KNEW i wasn't in the service of satan

[@jackyflowers7159]

Why would you listen to church people anyway. The ''god'' they worship has doen pretty evil fucked up shit to those he do not like!

[@technobat8601]

@@jackyflowers7159 cringe

[@andrewbloom7637]

KISS was also thought to stand for "Knights In Satan's Service".

[@stevedonahue7956]

I don't think ppl hate KISS.....I think they hate Paul and Gene.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

So basically KISS.

[@stevedonahue7956]

@@TH3F4LC0Nx lol KISS as the brand yes....KISS as the band hell fucking no

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

@@stevedonahue7956 Paul and Gene ARE KISS. That's why they want you to forget that Ace and Peter were even born. So hating them is basically hating KISS, at least nowadays. You can retroactively hate them and still like the old stuff without hating the band as a whole, though, I guess.

[@stevedonahue7956]

@@TH3F4LC0Nx true but my main point is that gene and paul are the reasons the band gets so much shit

[@KCDW83]

You're right. I dont hate KISS, I hate their music.

[@eldergeeks7301]

The Best Quote I ever heard from them. (probably paraphrasing) Paul - "People accuse us of selling out. We did. We sold out every night!"

[@streetguru3054]

One could argue that they did sell out in the 80's and tried to be a metal hair band like Twisted Sister, Poison, Motley Crew

[@jasonlieberman4606]

@@streetguru3054 they went metal before those bands even existed. They delved into some harder sounds right at the tail end of the 70s, and took off their makeup shortly after Vinnie replaced Ace in '81. The earlier part of that foray into metal is not to be dismissed. Creatures of the Night, Lick it Up, and Animalize had some wicked old school bangers with a sound more akin to Scorpions than to Poison, whose scene was barely beginning to get respect from the industry. If there's a time they betrayed their own creative interest in favor of selling better, it's when they put the makeup back on over a decade later. .. But metal Kiss is vastly underrated.

[@cs292]

Like I haven’t heard that from all the sellouts.

[@Gurra88]

Didn't Metallica say the exact same thing?

[@suttybuddy7273]

I think it was Gene that said that on their documentary KISS: Beyond the makeup.

[@Tommyskylarr]

“Whether you hate KISS or not, you’re still influenced by KISS.” This.

[@Pemon]

or the doors also

[@danielpaquet3963]

the only way ive been influenced by kiss is to know what not to listen too,

[@oscarovenden4641]

Alexander Greeley but no one hates sabbath

[@slanderous8794]

@@oscarovenden4641 yes there are people that hates sabbath, but not me

[@osbaldohernandez9174]

Naw Not really

[@luvittodeath7031]

Kiss was the first band I really got into this music. I was a kid, and I got obsessed with them when I first heard Shout It Out Loud.

[@gabifrancis7414]

Snowblind I first heard Detroit Rock City when I was very very young when I started listening to them

[@Green-cd1np]

I been listening to kiss since I was a kid, they were just so different with their look and attitude, I’m only 20 and I feel like I’m the only guy my age who really appreciates kiss for what they’ve done for the rock and metal scene

[@luvittodeath7031]

Gabi Francis nice. A few years back years back I heard Shout It Loud on a Kiss and Scooby Doo show when I was in 3rd grade or so. After liking a bit of Queen in 4rth grade, I bought Kiss’ Greatest Hits and fell in love

[@luvittodeath7031]

Green I agree with every word

[@One_Proud_Papa]

BTW, great name, Snowblind. Ace's solo album was the best. Still listen to it.

[@ErikStone1]

I love KISS, but once I heard someone call them "Boomer Juggalos", I can't stop laughing when I think about them! LOL

[@ASM881]

Erik Stone that’s super funny.

[@herculesbrofister265]

i don't know what a "boomer juggalo" is, but regular, old fashioned juggalos are pretty cool kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp2waHaDotGqosk

[@jaym8808]

@@herculesbrofister265 Juggalo and cool don't fit together in the same sentence.

[@putridabomination]

Oh shit that is pure gold 🤣

[@DMSProduktions]

Anti semitic?

[@zakur0hako]

I feel like in the 70's KISS (along with Black Sabbath) were playing straight-up ahead-of-its-time heavy metal (Parasite, Detroit Rock City, Love Gun, I Stole Your Love and etc). Even Judas Priest started having 'metal' sound only in later part of the decade

[@johnharris6676]

100,000 years is a great song! Ace nails this, Stanley’s vocals were great. Just a great freakin song!

[@johnharris6676]

There are some excellent songs on sad wings! Victim of changes, Ripper just too name a couple!

[@zalien6]

I said this today hahaha I was listening to kiss alive and had this very same thought

[@Deucealive75]

@Jerome Lund Sad Wings came out in 76.

[@metalocalypse2011]

You are very wrong about Judas Priest, just saying....

[@demonicsweaters]

Nobody can deny that KISS ALIVE is one fantastic album. Probably the greatest live album of all time.

[@jensenroark8491]

Dude, I grew up loving kiss! I didn’t grow up with internet, I grew up with records and tapes and kiss everything I love that band!!

[@scourge34]

I still have a lot of KISS vinyl. Even had some 8-tracks back in the day. Hated those things. Cut off songs in the middle.

[@maureenwagg5305]

Same. KISS was a real new thing. People (adults) were terrified of them. Not my parents. They got it but many were looking at them like they were minions of the antichrist.

[@jensenroark8491]

Kenny the G now that’s awesome, for me it was my mom with kiss and Def Leppard, then some good ol mtv

[@jakeanderson9893]

I personally don't like kiss, but nobody can debate the influence they've had on rock and metal.

[@AngelofAnguish]

LIKEWISE!

[@pronstorestiffi]

Same not my thing. Don't hate them just because of that.

[@yashbhatt8624]

Were they Rock ?

[@jhutt8002]

You know why young people don't really appreciate Kiss? Because their album sound has been so lousy and thin through 70's. If you only focus on studio albums, their eponymous album (that came in 74, of all things) sounds nowhere near as innovative or stylistically important to hard rock and heavy as things british bands had done in previous 5 years.

[@jhutt8002]

Also to follow: Destroyer probably was the biggest influence in terms of metal, but again it came same year as Sad Wings of Destiny, Virgin Killer, Rainbow Rising etc... Looking anachronistically, it makes them sound dated at the time.

[@joerich1629]

“Regardless of what you want to say about KISS musically or otherwise, their was no one more determined or worked harder to putting on a spectacular show than KISS. That was good to for us to see.” Geddy Lee

[@IlIlIlIllIlIllI]

this x100

[@coxscorner]

I went full circle with Kiss, loved them in the 70's hate them, and love them again (the original Kiss anyway). Kiss is not pop but their songs are catchy, they are not metal but their riffs are heavy. Most important of all their songs are fun to play.

[@lexbeltran1354]

I like the old Kiss, Peter, Ace, Paul, and Gene

[@FrostedSeagull]

Lex, T hats the only KISS ! POST Creatures of the Night KISS is referred to as KISS inc.

[@bigdaddybuster9494]

Same

[@isaiahcano01]

Same

[@MichaelWH]

@@FrostedSeagull Well said !

[@Rockin_Ross]

Agreed. While it’s great they’re still going, the sound is just “different” than the line up long ago.

[@vinylcity1599]

Kiss got me into heavy metal! I bought "animalize" after seeing "heavens on fire" in '84 , and it was off to the races! People hating kiss is nothing new! I remember having to defend them from day 1!

[@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017]

"People hating Kiss is nothing new" proof the title of this video is bullshit as many adults hate Kiss and their need to compensate for their lame softcore "glam metal" by putting on gimmicky face paint

[@shanerobinswpr7027]

@William White have you even listen to them mate...kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYS6p2Sfi7eoZ68 this is not Metal you say???? i disagree

[@shanerobinswpr7027]

@William White Not even going to bother if your got such a narrow minded view on what is metal and what is not.....i assume you would say Sabbath not metal cuz they are blues based band....or that Deep Purple not Metal cuz they got Keyboards.....i was around when it all started and back then mate they all where considered Heavy Metal because there was nothing else like it......it was the beginning and everything starts some where...

[@KombatRealm]

@William White I'm a big kiss nut but I have to agree here. Kiss arent "metal" per say. they're a rock band that have dabbled in a little but of everything. They've done metal songs, disco songs, pop songs, etc. But at their heart, they play rock.

[@Deucealive75]

@@KombatRealm Yeah they had some variety on their albums but mainly heavy in concert. I never walked out of their shows saying "not heavy enough". Their songs were always heavier played live. Even their so called disco song. It sounds weak, poppy and disco like on the album but has a heavier sound to it live.

[@brutalnecrodude6667]

Dude I fricken love KISS. They actually opened my eyes to a world of Rock music. And props to them, they’re a big influence on my band. Long live the Shock Rock Legends

[@trippywolf6154]

Same

[@cellblocknine5385]

post videos of your band.

[@denislavdochev3783]

Nobody needs to convince me to like KISS - I do like them so much.

[@BruceWayne-mz9xu]

I never like KISS, but try to deny the influence on heavy metal scene... that's impossible

[@CincinnatusPublish]

That's fair. Someone can dislike Rush, but they can't say they're not great musicians. You can dislike Queen, but you can't say Freddie couldn't sing.

[@herculesbrofister265]

look at the corpsepaint. they're the original black metal band.

[@misfit2022]

Bruce Wayne I deny it

[@misfit2022]

Hello There Queen had heavier songs than Kiss Flick of the wrist, Stone cold crazy, Sheer heart attack, Face facts Kiss are not a metal band and nothing wrong with that but I stole your love has more similarities with The Beatles than Black Sabbath. I am knocking them I like 70’s Kiss and even liked their Wings cover which was surprisingly good.

[@KnozLo]

@@misfit2022 No one says that kiss IS a metal band. But they've been a huge influence on metal musicians.

[@mrbobsshow]

Love the music but hate Gene. Kind of like love Metallica but hate Lars

[@austinfailz]

mrbobsshow "Gene $immon$" is a dickhead character. Gene Simmons, born Chaim Witz, is a decent guy.

[@pavelm.gonzalez8608]

Why do you hate Lars???

[@markcreemore4915]

I love Simmons BECAUSE he's an asshole.

[@AreEnTee]

@@pavelm.gonzalez8608 Lars is seen as a danish douche

[@Omar_E11]

@@AreEnTee For no good reason.

[@aneyeforcapitalism6531]

Two words explain the absolute necessity of KISS to the history of rock. ACE. FREHLEY.

[@ryemill7787]

I like Kiss because most the bands I like love Kiss.

[@ve8578]

And I like this comment.

[@dmg7111]

Motorhead covers 'Shout it out loud'.... ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWLVlXZ3nZKqeas R.I.P Lemmy !!!!

[@needlesinmyeyes7272]

That's a stupid reason

[@DankoHidalgo]

A pretty shit reason to like anything

[@brianreed1859]

@@needlesinmyeyes7272 - no you're just an idiot who doesn't get it.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Ah, KISS, the people who gave us the immortal line, "I wanna put my log in your fireplace!" That's pure poetry, people.

[@LoudwireMusic]

"It ain't a crime to be good to yourself"

[@sal9014]

Just a few more to add to the amazing lyrics KISS has created, “Put your hand in my pocket, grab on to my rocket” “She’s been around, but she’s young and clean” (as well as the rest of Christine sixteen) “So if you please, get on your knees. There are no bills, there are no fees”

[@ElectronJohnSA]

Craig Gass

[@afrocoolio25]

Nah, the best is the opening lyric "Take Me." *"Put your hand in my pocket, grab onto my rocket."*

[@Dropsy517]

My favorite was "Squeeze my lemon, until the juice runs down my leg..." Oh wait, that was someone else. ;)

[@MarioSaboni]

KISS is one of the reasons why we have anthrax, pantera, mastodon, ghost, and way too many more. These guys inspired all of our favorite metal bands.

[@munchenonyou3774]

Doesnt mean i have to respect them or their shitty opinions lol

[@Skelly5962]

@@munchenonyou3774 Don't have to respect you or yours either.

[@sotis1756]

My favorite metal band were here before KISS haha :D

[@barbaravance6774]

If you listed all of the musicians that said they were fans of KISS as teens and kids it would be pages and pages long! If it wasn't for me discovering KISS, I wouldn't be here today! Their music was fun and my escape from the Hell that my life was growing up.

[@MarcelGomesPan]

KISS was really what ”started” rock n roll for me in 76 when i heard ”Destroyer”. They where really the only band that counted to me during my childhood.

[@kw9801]

I'm too "young" to have grown up with kiss (born 1985). Me and my friends we loved, loved, loved the movie Detroit Rock City as teenagers, though (came out in 1999). I recommend this movie to any Kiss or Metal Fan 😊. 1999 was also the year I got into Slipknot and have been a huge fan ever since. I remember learning about Kiss in Detroit Rock City and thinking to myself "they are the Slipknot of the 70s. Back in the day I would have been a member of the Kiss Army for sure." 😊

[@alabamahebrew]

You are correct! KISS was the Slipknot of the 70's, they came up with whole hidden identity thing and for almost 10 years they were able to keep what they really looked like a secret, of course the media actually was playing along with them lol. I mean, they never hid their true names or where they went to school or who they hung out with so when you think about it, somebody had to have a yearbook picture of them, a concert picture of them from previous bands. In fact drummer Peter Criss was in a band called Chelsea and Chelsea made one album and on the cover of that album there was Peter Criss (Crisceolo, however he spelled it lol) without any make up. Wicked Lester, Paul and Gene's old band had flyers all over NYC with their pictures on it. So now looking back we can see that the media was not interested in showing us their true identities because it was all part of the show, part of the game. Lol in today's world the media would reveal their true identity so fast it would make your head spin.

[@The_Fat_Fury]

I was 13 years old when I kept seeing this commercial on TV for a cd titled 'The Very Best of KISS' and it was just so intriguing. Well, I bit the bullet, bought the cd, and now, 18 years later, KISS is still my favorite band and it's not even close.

[@SniffHeinkel]

7:20 Shots like this are unnatural. It feels weird watching someone talking to the audience when they aren't looking straight into the camera. I've never liked when they did this shit. The only acceptation to this is when you're interviewing someone who is sitting beside you. Don't film the narrator from the side. It doesn't make the shot look cool or edgy. It just makes it look like the camera man has no idea wtf they are doing.

[@thomasmcnutt1863]

Kiss were actually one of the first bands I got into

[@Wheresthepepsibismol]

Journey was the first band I got into they are way better than kiss Steve Perry is a better vocalist that Gene Simmons

[@MeatbagYourBuddy]

Me too

[@rafaelsatriatama]

Me too kiss is still one of my favorite band of all time

[@chriswalsh4118]

Kiss are absolute legends

[@SandraPokorneyCmonDude]

of course they are, they influenced all our favorites in some way or another.....

[@jenniferembry1654]

What's great about them is that they're loved, hated, but never ignored. And every band they opened for or opened for them got blown off the stage, nobody and I mean NOBODY came close.

[@Saje3D]

Never got KISS. Listened to the same music as my parents as a kid, still have my favorites there, but my introduction to hard rock I LIKED came from Heart’s Barracuda some years after discovering KISS. Then it was Pat Benatar. THEN it was Black Sabbath. Now Pat and her husband put one one hell of a show. And Heart is also a legend. As for influence? I guess the best thing about KISS is all the kids who listened to them and thought “hey, I can do that at least as well as they do” to actually discover they were right.

[@Rangerman69420]

@Tom Ffrench I wouldn't say, people dislike their music id say, people, dislike that they made a career off of being a gimmick and while actually excepting to be taken seriously. Sure they paved the way for the worst era of rock besides Nickelback and also inspired more flavor in concerts. But other than that they haven't done anything to get all excited about. They have even acknowledged that their songs are boring and tasteless.

[@PippyPopsSelfHarmMonica]

i dont think its that people dont like kiss... just Gene Simmons

[@jamesrawlins735]

Oh no - there are a lot of people that just didn't like the band at all - thought their music was rather simple with makeup and theatrics cover up for rather so-so songs. Yes Gene gets most of the heat, but there are lot of people that hate everything about them.

[@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017]

Kiss is just a boy band with glitter and make up. Without Kiss there would be no Backstreet Boys.

[@PippyPopsSelfHarmMonica]

well geez was i wrong

[@TheTrollslayer69]

I think this is more true than false. Yes, the band has always had it's fair share of critics and detractors... but its Gene's asshole personality that really created the powerful kiss hatred lol. Especially in the last 10 years.

[@PyroMessiah86]

They still have billions of fans and sold out arenas and stadiums so a few haters doesn't do shit. I worked on Gene's tv show and his larger than life, say what the fuck I want persona? It's just for headlines and works every time he opens his mouth. Guys a marketing genius. Oher than that? Off camera he's one of the nicest rockstar I've met. Really intelligent too.

[@lion-dm4wc]

KISS is such a GREAT band, their 80s and 90s albums are so underrated.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

You mean the albums that KISS themselves won't even play anymore?

[@CincinnatusPublish]

@@TH3F4LC0Nx Once they put on the makeup they decided to focus on their 70's stuff. It had nothing to do with whether or not the 80's/90's stuff was good. CREATURES OF THE NIGHT still remains one of the best rock albums of the 1980's.

[@tomcampbell5186]

@@TH3F4LC0Nx they play a lot of songs from the 80s and 90s including look it up and their disco hit they play all the time and reason to live

[@Knight-RaveN-Rollers]

They are underrated because of the lineup changes and the crap music they just rammed out period on top of copying Alice cooper

[@jonathondenton3376]

TH3 F4LC0N Paul can’t sing them anymore. The 80s was the peak of his vocal career.

[@nicknoleff4587]

I will never feel as confident as I do as much as I do when listening to KISS.

[@fredflinstime6676]

The album Animalize is worthy of respect.

[@jasonlieberman4606]

You my friend have taste 🙌 Every watch the Animalize Tour concert video with Bruce on guitar?

[@fredflinstime6676]

@@jasonlieberman4606 did not see that, but I recall listening to this album and noticing how cool it was with lots of chops and killer drums and catchy hooks. I didn’t respect kiss as a band till Animalize.

[@dennisperin2989]

Gene ( Demon ) Simmons made you look back in 76’77’ Ace kept you there! They were a rolling freight train. Alice started it, Kiss perfected it. Remember kids, they didn’t have a fan club, they had an Army!

[@bds_mguydasic9293]

My father took me to their "last" show

[@dirtyrotten2648]

But I want to their last tour kiss alive 35

[@Tortorella87]

You don’t say which one?

[@weirdowilliams3723]

I love kiss, metal wouldn't be the same without them. For sure my ease into metal.

[@southweststrangla420]

ask a lot of rock bands who their favorite bands were growing up and most of them if not all will mention kiss

[@keithberns5]

Well yeah, look how many metal artist/bands they’ve influenced.

[@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017]

Kiss is just a boy band with glitter and make up. They influenced so many pop stars Without Kiss there would be no N'Sync and Justin Beiber.

[@shroomzwestside]

@@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017 Dimebag Darrells spirit will piss on you tonight

[@Rekko82]

@@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017 Backstreet Boys and Poison were like KISS - they used synchronized stage moves in their shows. Very influential band. Spice Girls and Britney Spears stole idea of selling pens, T-shirts, wallets etc. And what about Mötley Crue and Steel Panther? They became even more popular than Kiss. Kiss is Village People of rock music.

[@beckhamroth1148]

Chafing cake seriously? Anti Monkey Butt Powder?

[@tomcampbell5186]

@@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017 without you there be no AIDS

[@renzocarlosarroyogarnica5045]

Kiss inspirated to lot thrash's bands from 80's

[@raynwolfsbane2084]

@@samkinison2375 Is that why Anthrax and Megadeth covered "Strange Ways" from Hotter Than Hell?

[@handel1111]

Pantera are members of Kiss Army

[@gabifrancis7414]

Back in 09 Metallica actually recommend for KISS to be in The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame

[@Tommyskylarr]

And Death covered “God of Thunder”.

[@davidvansteemburg2714]

I got into KISS in 1976. They were my Beatles. My parents and teachers were hoping it was a faze, sorry it wasn’t. I’m still love them as much as I did back then. Love live KISS.

[@mihaildosev6811]

Every single musician I've talked to, or followed on social media in some way shocased how much influence Kiss had on him. And most of those are metal musicians.

[@JTPrimal]

KISS is cool. A lot of the metal bands we like so much look up to Kiss. Other than that, cool:).

[@ThesharkStrangler]

Kiss Army for life🤘🤘🤘

[@ThesharkStrangler]

😂Sam Kinison😂 umm that’s comparing apples to oranges buddy

[@SirForcekin]

FKN SLAYER

[@adamaksoy4169]

John Spence Alice In Chains> Claude Debussy

[@adhamsherif9126]

KISS ,my biggest obsession and they got me into metal. HEROES

[@tornokthegreat]

My mom's favorite band, KISS she went to 22 shows back in the 70s.

[@Rangerman69420]

You're probably related to Gene 😬

[@DenniWintyr]

Gene: I will be a Demon! Paul: I will be a Star Child! Ace: I will be a Space Man! Peter: Can I be a kitty cat? Saw an interview with Gene years ago, where he said something to the effect of: "Kiss are like a carnival, you come along, you have a great time, but sooner or later you realise you're being ripped off"

[@smokesletsgo2374]

Peter had the cat makeup because he had so many accidents and brushes with death that he was thought to have 9 lives like a cat, which makes it a bit less lame in my book. Pretty badass actualy

[@gabifrancis7414]

smokeslet'sgo yep in his book he talks about how he got his hands beat open been to the hospital a lot and him vs a dog

[@thekrrib]

Love Kiss. Been listening to Kiss since I was about 5yo so they are part of me .. but, yeah, Gene pretty much sumed it up there.

[@chris_2714]

Kiss was a gateway band for my metal addiction!

[@metalheadpatriot]

Same here!

[@lordythegreat88]

The gateway before Metallica maybe?

[@JUSTICE971]

for me it was Metallica but Kiss was incredible

[@XAL-sz5yo]

wearing an iron maiden shirt while talking about Kiss? ballsy

[@borisnikolic3694]

What a nerve! Imagine the disrespect! :D

[@chrisridenhour]

1977- Star Wars, Farrah Fawcett, KISS, Evil Knievel, Close Encounters, first video games... you had to be there.

[@nokturnalmortum4763]

Grab some popcorn and Wait for the comment section to go wild🍿🍿🍿

[@jasonhawken871]

Nah not really, just pointing out the obvious, "it's not for me but I understand their influence" and "We just hate Gene"

[@nokturnalmortum4763]

@Zamza huh wtf🤣

[@user-ei9ns9hq6b]

@@nokturnalmortum4763 OK boomer

[@lehtokurppa7824]

Ghost being called the Kiss of today hurts inside. Ghost came, played their music and got a following because as James Hetfield said, they were like a breath of fresh air in today's rock and metal. Ghost is one of the nicest and most humble modern bands and their gimmick actually fits the music. Kiss on the other hand, well they had an entirely different setting and it's no secret that Paul and Gene are quite far from humble and nice.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

They really were a breath of fresh air, considering they actually had real melody and catchy hooks and an actually decent singer. Ghost are like a slightly heavier, devilish version of Queen. They're one of the few bands nowadays that I won't turn the radio off if they come on.

[@shaynewest8757]

To me they sound like Blue Oyster Cult with a twisted satanic vibe. At least they stand out.

[@brucifer0]

I saw KISS in 78 it was a twelve year olds dream come true absolutely amazing!;Musically I stopped listening at age 14 and started liking AC/DC ZEP ect.. From age 8-12 I was a KISS fanatic

[@vladdrakul7851]

That sounds about Right.If I had been 8 to 12 when Kiss came out I might not have hated them so much. But for me at 14 their bubble gum glam shite was an insult t the music I LOVED after the Beatles, Doors and Led Zeppelin!

[@bearbuttnaked8384]

I'm a 42yo metalhead, love Extreme black metal, death, trash, heavy.... and I'm a big KISS fan. catchy songs, great shows (great live experience, as much as Iron Maiden). and their influence on the metal of 2020 is huge, even the cheesy part, even the sometimes ridiculus too ;), love them because they are bigger than life, like a great action movie.

[@tomcampbell5186]

Back in the 70s when I was in third grade I bought the Kiss album to show and tell to show the whole classroom one of the first metal bands I listen to

[@MetalKellerRecords]

KISS ruled in the 70's, Kiss were great in the 80's and to see the reunion tour in 1996 was awesome, they should have retired in 2000 and not keep going with tommy and eric

[@gabifrancis7414]

TwistOfMetal I am not a big fan of Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer I only have one album that they are in Sonic Boom and they don’t sound like the old KISS

[@MJForever1999]

Tommy and Eric ain’t as bad as people say tho. Tommy is a solid replacement (Definitely not better by any means but still pretty good) and Eric is a nice consistent drummer who provides excellent background vocals

[@MJForever1999]

Feral Human For Gene yes. Paul on the other hand.... You can tell he loves what he does

[@raulrodriguez5073]

@@gabifrancis7414 hate to burst your bubble but Ace wasnt Ace on some of the recordings...Thank Rick Wagner and Bob Kulick...

[@raulrodriguez5073]

@@MJForever1999 Tommy is what Ace was meant to be...

[@kkaiser.8521]

“Sorry kids” are you sure you want me to listen to you.

[@redphoenix298667]

I love KISS, every song they do live sounds amazing

[@saswatidhar3278]

Two words: Dimebag Darrell

[@Rekko82]

One word: Dead!!!!

[@saswatidhar3278]

@@Rekko82 That's very disrespectful and an immature act on ur behalf. Delete it as requested

[@Rekko82]

@@saswatidhar3278 Are a Pantera fan? They would you know that Phil said The Trend is DEAD!!

[@mattc8723]

@@Rekko82 Nice grammar.

[@spacecase7504]

@@Rekko82 Duh

[@chocolategatto8616]

I never got 'Kiss'. I never got the merchandising and the dressing up like them. I don't think you can call them metal. More hard rock too my ears. That said, I like 'Detroit Rock City' and ' Strutter'. Those are good songs despite me. I guess you're all talking about the theatrics with the show. I don't associate that with 'metal'. I just think of Sabbath on stage no frills when I think 'metal' and the origins of the sound.

[@DJ_Force]

The line between hard rock and metal is blurry, and changes with time. But KISS was much more "metal" than, say, Aerosmith, Queen, Pink Floyd or even Led Zeppelin. Those were their contemporaries in the 70s. Even in the 80s, they were just as Glam Metal as Poison, or Dokken, or The Scorpions.

[@DJ_Force]

@Tom Ffrench Half of the Metal scene from the mid 80s fits that description.

[@eternalsourceproject]

For countless kids during the late 70s, Kiss was their introduction to rock and roll. It was comics, monsters and superheroes all rolled into one, so that drew you in. The music was simple yet heavy for the time. You started with Kiss then began to explore other bands. Unless you were of that age during that time, it's hard to fully understand their impact.

[@TheDarkRodent]

You weren't even pooping diapers when I first hated kiss.

[@jphi1000]

I love KISS. They are the reason I picked up guitar, they are the reason I got into music. I'm not blind though, I understand why some people wouldn't like them. Thank you for doing a really good video showing the importance of the "Hottest Band in the World!!!"

[@robertashton8069]

We all play first because we can, then because we love it, and last because inspiration keeps you going. KISS was a big part of me keeping going!

[@UKSportsFan]

My only problem with KISS is that they had their "Farewell Tour" in 2000...and I went to see it, because it was history and nostalgic. NOT!!! Bastards were out touring again THE VERY NEXT YEAR! And fir 20 years after that. That was a big F-You to everyone who saw them "for the last time" only to be played for fools. I have been done with them since.

[@lustar3232]

It was October 1998, and I remember it was supposed to be their farewell tour which was the only time I saw them for the exact reason you gave. They are playing this week at Staples and I was offered free tix(private suite/meet&greet) and said: "Pass".

[@bombnom]

It was a farewell to the original lineup.

[@Pensasneuvostoliittolainen]

@some random guy The fact that kiss isn't the only band to do it doesn't make it less of a dick move. The anger is very much justified imo.

[@n3Cr0ManCeD]

@@Pensasneuvostoliittolainen True but.... How many times has Ozzy "retired"? Everyone still seems to love him though.

[@omgvague]

Motley Crue doing the same thing

[@pheonix5597]

No mention of David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust and Diamond Dogs performances? And, for that matter, what about The Tubes "Quay Lewd" show? .. . seems EVERYBODY fails to mention THAT in these discussions on outrageous theatrical stage presentations.

[@ersturdevant2831]

Bowie was a darling of the art school crowd, had no mass appeal until his post Stardust, " Let's Dance" era.

[@pheonix5597]

@@ersturdevant2831 He had some HITS prior to Let's Dance though, like Fame, Changes, Rebel Rebel, Space Oddity and Heros.

[@jayn481]

They are important! They influenced bands like Pantera. End of story. They are apart of rock history. Gotta pay respect

[@eggyness]

I was waiting for a Rammstein mention ... *That's* theatrics - while still making good music 🔥🔥🔥

[@danielpaquet3963]

king diamond

[@A-Man79]

When people talk about First Wave British metal they mention the (Un)Holy Trinity of Sabbath, Zeppelin and Purple. No one can talk about First Wave American metal without mentioning Kiss.👅

[@morgellon9449]

They were not a metal band. Neither are Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple. Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly and Steppenwolf were around half a decade before Kiss, but they're also not metal, though I think they were more metal than Kiss, musically. Kiss kinda became metal in the 80's when they changed their sound and took off the makeup. I can't think of a legitimately metal American band before Van Halen, who get to be metal by default of being exactly what metal became for a while.

[@Deucealive75]

@@morgellon9449 That's your opinion. KISS were described in the mid seventies with the words heavy metal in one connotation or another by the rock media. Billboard said in a review of their Vegas concert in May of 75 that KISS "unleashed controlled chaos in visual heavy metal" with a sound that rivaled "nuclear detonations at nearby Yucca Flats." There was another one with a British reporter who used the words heavy metal when reporting on the first KISS visit to England in early 76. In 2020 it's easy to say KISS weren't metal but in 1975 you couldn't. Also. KISS was one of the few bands back then that would actually call themselves heavy metal. One of their early (maybe 1973) concert announcement posters that they made up read "Heavy Metal masters KISS".

[@LzCoda]

@@morgellon9449 Interesting analysis, though not one i can entirely agree with. First of all, many fans would laugh at the suggestion that Van Halen is metal. I think they are, but they're really a different kind of metal than say Iron Maiden. But before VH there was Blue Oyster Cult, Mountain, Iron Butterfly, Montrose, among others. But let's face it, "heavy metal" as a genre has been twisted and sliced and smashed into a bunch of different sub-genres. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple all can make a claim to playing metal, although both Zeppelin and Purple wanted nothing to do with the term. Fact: Geezer Butler is quoted in Tony Iommi's autobiography "Iron Man" that Zeppelin was the "heaviest thing around," and their goal was to be heavier. Zeppelin was clearly heavy. It was a bluesy heavy, mostly, but a handful of songs off LZ I and III, along with Immigrant Song from III are heavy metal-esque. Zeppelin was compared to Cream and Hendrix in those early years ('68 as the New Yardbirds, '69-70 as Zeppelin). Sabbath added the "doom" to the metal sound. At the same time, Purple, Mark II with Iam Gillian on vocals, added technicality and speed to their new metal sound. So... heavy metal: bluesy for Zeppelin, doom like for Sabbath, and technical virtuosity and speed for Purple. All metal. But wait! Right around this time two other bands came on the scene (more than two, really, but bare with me). They were the Scorpions and Judas Priest. Listen to those old Scorpion records with Uli Roth and Michael Schenker on guitars. '72s Lonesome Crow, Fly to the Rainbow in '74 -- that's metal, baby! And nothing like the Unholy Trinity, either. The Scorpions, and in '74 Priest as well, followed the metal of Hendrix, who happens to be American. Read KK Downing's recent autobiography. He says it straight: Priest's biggest influence was not Sabbath, it was Hendrix. Downing says that metal started with Hendrix. It's right there in his book. (Great read BTW.) And, Downing adds, that between '74-'78 only one band was playing the kind of speed driven, riff based metal that Priest was playing and that was the Scorpions. Of course, Uli Roth married Hendrix's girlfriend after Hendrix died. Ahhh, the Hendrix-Scorps-Priest connection. Around this time...'76... Blackmore teams up with Ronnie James Dio to produce what many (many many) critics say is the first true heavy metal album, Rainbow Rising. I don't agree, but for the type of metal the critics are referring to...maybe it is. Anyhow, my point is that heavy metal has tons of beginnings and off shoots. But there's lots of metal, even Zeppelin (whether Page and Plant like it or not). Oh... I watched a KZbin video where Pete Townshend makes the claim to have started metal. Now that's something I can't agree to! I love the Who, but they were never metal! Punk, edgy hard rock...but metal? Come on, Pete!

[@grimtraveller7923]

@@Deucealive75 Well said Deuce. The NME in England in 1977 described their music as "recycled heavy metal grunge." Zeppelin, Purple and Butterfly played heavy metal though not exclusively. Like many bands of their time, they were varied in their music.

[@grimtraveller7923]

@@LzCoda I'm with you on this, Bob. Truth is, right from the late 60s heavy metal was actually full of sophistication and variation. That made early metal interesting.

[@robbieh1899]

People forget... Back then, life was VERY different. 0 "instant life" like these days. It was new, exciting and LOUD. For a 70's kid...that was heaven. They were pioneers.

[@woutwout8398]

If you don't like KISS, you don't like kick-ass rock 'n' roll.

[@BorisRDeyanov]

The moment I heard Detroit Rock City on Paul Blart Mall Cop when I was a kid, I knew that song was special even though I didn’t understand anything then. It must have been very much the first moment I got into music.

[@milobroth9212]

Problem with kiss is that, that they are no longer a band. It becames some kins of creepy corporatiom selling lietarly everything. "Kids" wants to esperience rock'n roll power, not to watch some cringe commercial happening on stange

[@shawnfuton6746]

What product have they advertised on stage?

[@eternalsourceproject]

Kiss have ALWAYS been that, and have made no bones about it. They wanted to be the biggest band in the world, and for a few years they were. EVERY kid (abt 13 and under) between 1975 and 79 loved them.

[@danieltravis5082]

This. It doesn't matter if they don't pretend to be anything else. Kiss coffins? Kiss condoms? Gtfoh

[@fredriklarsson9415]

Every band have merchandise.

[@raulrodriguez5073]

Your comment makes no sense..u must be new to the scene..their theatrics have alway been there!! Always!! They beat every band to the punchline...name one band who doesnt sell T shirts..posters...

[@CaptRich-bi3gp]

1977 at 14 years old I was blown away in Dallas TX my first rock concert KISS changed my world.

[@theevilpinkkitten6345]

proud soldier of KISS ARMY since 40 years.I just love their music

[@mikephlegm7400]

It's no dispute they were massively influential to the metal genre as a whole. Dont have to like them to admit that.

[@jamesrawlins735]

Absolutely. Metal has a lot of influences that aren't necessarily liked by metal listeners. Whether it's the Beatles' song Helter Skelter, or even Jethro Tull's Aqualung (No Tull is no way a metal band, but there were a few songs that definitely had an influence on the sound of the genre), or even a Zeppellin song like Kashmir - you kind of mix in a number of influences to create something new - and there's a lot of Kiss in metal.

[@alex.ann_der]

Kiss is important to human history. It's not a band that I like that much, but I trully respect them, and consider them amongst the greatest bands in history without hesitate. If you don't like them, it's ok, but saying crap about them is stupid.

[@goobersquad6008]

Crap about them

[@needlesinmyeyes7272]

Crap about them

[@needlesinmyeyes7272]

Damn dude talk about brainwashed....human history? Are you serious?

[@alex.ann_der]

@@needlesinmyeyes7272 Of course. There will be folks in the year 2873 talking about the rock bands of the XX century. They've changed the way of music forever.

[@needlesinmyeyes7272]

Kiss sold their image more than anything, if they were the first to do anything and stand out from every other band in history and leavevtheir footprint behind then that's selling their image more than anybody else.

[@Spongebob-lf5dn]

Dimebag Darrell, Chuck Schuldiner, James Hetfield...all big KISS fans. That says enough.

[@Jakevrana]

I’m 37 years old, and a lifelong metal fan….. I thought I didn’t like KISS, but after seeing a great KISS tribute band I realized KISS has a lot of songs that I enjoyed but didn’t know it was them🤷‍♂️ I believe they are an important band to hard rock whether you like them or not. I’m pretty much repeating the video…….

[@troyhiett1885]

I only have one thing to say 100 million albums sold.

[@ASM881]

Troy Hiett 100 million albums that suck.

[@DKM977]

Do you know who else has sold over 100 million albums? The Backstreet Boys.

[@The_Mimewar]

John Robison, an autistic gentleman, is the guy that rigged up their guitars with smoke bombs.

[@jhay3966]

"Whatever Paul Stanley is" LMFAO so accurate

[@brunobailly7013]

It always strikes me how influential and popular this band is in the U.S... While here in France (and judging by Hansi Kürsch's words here, I think it's safe to say in much of Europe...), they don't seem to have gained much popularity. I've lived here for over 40 years now, and I've never met or heard ANYONE admit they liked or even listened to Kiss (EDIT: a friend of mine has mentionned them a few times on his Facebook page and he admittedly likes them... But he's like 15 years younger than I am, a history teacher and a 70's metal fanatic). Most people will have no problem saying they like Queen, David Bowie, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, AC/DC or Aerosmith... OF COURSE ! But Kiss... Nope. I've seen a few teenagers wearing Kiss T-shirts in the past 10 years... But they were only girls. And anyway it's only in recent times that I've noticed these T-shirts. I must admit the same goes for Boston and even RUSH (strangely overlooked on this side of the Atlantic...) or Lynyrd Skynyrd to some extent. Bad Company and The Sparks are also fairly unkown 70's bands here... But that might be more of a generational thing. Anyway, I think all the "over-the-top aspects" of Kiss (which are probably the reason they are loved so much in the U.S.) are what makes them so unpopular over here. Which is kind of odd... Since Rammstein is VERY popular here. Go figure !...

[@Play3r21]

Only here cause I’m waiting on new info on Ghost

[@davidj.7227]

They're kinda important to my little hometown area. We're the only ones on the planet with a monument dedicated to them for an insane few days when the band took over the town and high school.

[@alabamahebrew]

You are from Cadillac ehh? I lived most of my adult life in the Ludington/Scottville area and even there KISS was a huge deal because of what they did in Cadillac! My ex brother in law attended school in Cadillac and he was there when KISS showed up. He always tried to tell me that the school really hated KISS but they were paid to act like they loved them. He even said the kids in school were paid by the band to act like they were fans lol. Yeah, he hated KISS but I bet you anything at the time when KISS was at his school, Old Joe was probably excited as hell and probably wore the make up as well!! His name is Joe Mowry, you familiar with him? He passed away 2 years ago now though.

[@davidj.7227]

@@alabamahebrew I was in second grade in a school district bordering Cadillac and lived in Cadillac since 1985. It was a huge thing to the area for years after. I know a few of the football players from that season and it was definitely not staged by the band especially considering the city council at the time would not have allowed the band to come if they felt it could bring any bad press to the area. Cadillac KISS visit was just something that happened because the coach pulled it off and was put together in a short time that could never be pulled off again. We have the KISS visit, you all have Maynard James Keenan and his dad teaching HS in Ludington. I would have rather known Maynard growing up. Scottville should put a Maynard monument up.

[@rev_lost_soul]

It doesn't matter if you like them, love them, or hate them. They left their mark, sold millions of records, have a "KISS ARMY" (how many other bands can say that), and most importantly they've been around for almost 50 years. 50 YEARS!! They must have done something right.

[@batmanhelpingspider-man2342]

People who hate on KISS or think that they’re overrated, should watch the video of Tom Morello inducting KISS in the Rock And Toll Hall of Fame.. The BEST Hall of Fame induction EVER!

[@jayjaytee9944]

Kiss was probably the first ever band to call themselves Heavy Metal, as it was used on their early flyers as far back as 1973. While the other bands of the 70s didn't like the term, as they saw it as derogatory.... yes including Sabbath and Priest. Who both only eventually embraced the term because of the NWOBHM movement.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

KISS were more influential in the theatrics department than actual musical innovation. They started out as basically just a dirty, sleazy hard rock band with a unique image. Other than Frehley, they aren't really renowned as either masterful musicians or vocalists. Still, they've earned their place in the annals of rock and metal, even though they did sell out basically any time the musical landscape changed.

[@nipulkradmsinatagras8293]

1:07 Phil: *"How do you like that?"* Me: *"HELL YEAH!!!"*

[@bladerunner6662]

When Ace Frehley, got electrocuted at a KISS gig in 1973, Gene Simmons called Ken Schaffer, who had invented a wireless guitar system. Schaffers system allowed KISS to utilize elaborate stage setups, go wireless, and not get electrocuted. He told Schaffer "Ken, we are a brand, not a band"

[@laurenrocker75]

Kiss is and will always will be my favorite band. Even got my almost 5 year old nephew into kiss.

[@Jezballz]

"Shout It Out Loud"

[@laurenrocker75]

@@Jezballz rock and roll all night and party everyday

[@soulcrusher807]

That is child abuse.

[@ktabobbyblanco4055]

I freaked out when I found out they were in Tony Hawk for ps2 lol

[@rodneyprill4618]

Underground

[@trort2714]

I interviewed Kiss in 1974 for a local newspaper. And then saw the show with Rush opening. After Rush blew me away, I don’t remember much about the kiss set.

[@davenhla]

You drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy You keep on shouting, you keep on shouting I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day And you drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy You keep on shouting, you keep on shouting I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day You keep on shouting, you keep on shouting I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day Oh yeah, there are also 5 other lines to the lyrics, but one of those lines is repeated also. Look, KISS might be an influence, but every song is just one or two lines repeated for 4 minutes to the same melody even. I can't listen to them anymore, 25 seconds into the song and you have heard the entire thing already. I guess they have some wild make up though.

[@croakhilleburg9155]

9:42 Kevin James’ long lost twin.

[@MeatbagYourBuddy]

Croak Hilleburg love your mister bungle picture

[@jamesvelasquez6118]

Kiss has been my Favorite band for my entire life. I can understand why people hate them.

[@CoopDVille-rx3hp]

"I've got posters on my walls......My favorite rock group,Kiss.... I've got Ace Frehley,and I've got Peter Kris...... waiting there for me,yes I do!" Seriously though, I can't stand Kiss. I just love that Weezer song. Dime loved Kiss. That,if nothing else, validates their existence for me.

[@TakeDeadAim]

It's the younger crowd can never understand just how big they were. I grew up in the 70's and remember when KISS Alive came out. We were all blown away. They were EVERY where. The iconic Farah Fawcett poster was often found right next to the bi-centennial KISS poster. There were KISS comics, KISS movie. It wasn't just the music but the mystery of who they were and what they really looked like. I even gave up on them after Dynasty though. No real use for anything after the solo albums besides Alive II. Oh...and the BIGGEST reason; OUR PARENTS HATED THEM!!! They literally thought they were satanic. The whole "Kings/Knights In Satans Service" (KISS) thing as well helped!