SORT OF RECAP OF SORT OF WC MATCH GAME 6

[@Jona-u8z]

"Don't force White, who seemingly wants to make a draw, to get a big advantage." Hilarious

[@alexeyprofi3951]

Дин: пытается играть на ничью Гукеш: избегает ничьей ухудшая свою позицию Дин: - Ничего страшного, я исправлю И всё равно делает ничью

[@lennypinskiy6598]

This is a pretty funny commentary. Thanks for being honest with us Mr. Kramnik.

[@jamesbond-lb7se]

I agree with Kramnik. Ding had so many real chances and he had squandered it away like a birthday present to Gukesh.

[@Truthtellers]

He had chances because Gukesg gave it.

[@prabhatkiranmukherje]

Thank you so much for covering this despite not wanting to! I believe it's even more important to have honest thoughts about such an unusual game. Although only other recap I saw, was also honest that he didn't understand at all the decisions taken by both players and Magnus would win 90% of the time as White after Rde1 against anybody.

[@armandsarmands]

I saw Hikaru recap first too - yeah it feels like Ding doesn't want to play - he was offering a draw like 3 time in the game. There might some reason for it that we don't know, who knows. Games are super short compared what happened between Nepo and Carlsen, they did 7hr games almost every game. Maybe I am remembering it better than it was, but this year they are barely reaching first time control before setting up for draw. It's not even about how high are percentage for Magnus to win it, he would 100% push the position till the last piece.

[@danjeory3659]

BRILLIANT!! I too was blown away when he played a3 instead of Kb1. And then Gukesh taking on h5 instead of playing Kg7. Very strange decisions. This match is more like the quality you'd expect of India vs China at the FIFA World Cup.

[@Caillou_da_goon]

Good video, these championship contenders wouldn't stand a chance against prime Vladimir Kramnik

[@santeriojanen8479]

One gets a feeling they wouldn't do good even now. That is if they keep that level ...

[@Anon_581]

The glazing is unreal... peak Ding was a threat even to Magnus and had the longest unbeaten streak in classical until Magnus eventually overtook him. Kramnik doesn't hold a candle to him; not now when he's losing OTB even against players like Jospem, and neither back during his prime. Even against Gukesh, Kramnik has no chance even at his peak. Let's not forget Gukesh is only 18 years old and already current world #5 while all of Magnus, Fabi and Hikaru are still active players in the rating list.

[@jonathangarcia273]

​@@Anon_581nah, peak kramnick its to much for gukesh and this Ding and its not even close

[@System.Error.]

@@Anon_581peak Kramnik actually defeated the Legendary Kasparov in WCC… you should be consistent with the comparison

[@santeriojanen8479]

@@Anon_581 But this Ding is a shadow of what was once....

[@garamiglm2026]

A refreshing commentary by GM Kramnik. Greetings to Kramnik from Chennai. It is always nice to listen to his honest opinions...thanks

[@Ayatron34]

When you use engines so much, you end up trying to play like one.

[@ethanguo4219]

Love the honest opinion. Very entertaining to watch too.

[@doyoustropez8015]

It had to be said! Thanks Mr Kramnik

[@Schattmania]

Vladimir and Garry agree: It's not a World Championship match! Not even sure if Ding really wants to win...

[@ethanguo4219]

He's doing fine in the match even if he's not trying. Gukesh is playing badly too.

[@hmmm3210]

He's trying his best to draw the classical games so he can whoop Gukesh in faster time controls. A bit cowardly to force draws when you're winning but whatever

[@willardstaton]

He wants to not lose more than he wants to win

[@shumbuk4383]

Lol..imagine if the same microscope is used to look at each game from Tal-Botvinnik 1961..which had 15 decisive games...would that also be judged not a WC..I don't agree with the expectations, players have their strong and weak sides, make errors..such astronomical beliefs would unmake every champion from the past...

[@sathishkumar8654]

Sour grapes…..

[@sonalipriyadarshini7354]

It's getting interesting only.. Everyone is undermining gukesh but he got here by winning matches fair n square. Ding is also trying his best. I have watched live streams of all the 4 games of World championship this year. Next game would be interesting for sure. Gukesh doesn't want any more draws. Ding probably wants a tiebreaker to win so he is pushing for draws more often. Let's see.

[@Truthtellers]

Correct. Thanks for understanding. People here dont think that Gukesh was worst because he doesnt want a draw.

[@chesswithsamarth1004]

Exactly! Gukesh is trying his best to get a sharp game even if he is in worse position , seems like he doesn't care about that.

[@kevwalshe7065]

Always great to see another V Kramnik review.

[@robertbalazsi]

Thanks for the recap, GM Kramnik. Others who analyze it heavily rely on the engine, I'm glad you did it purely from a human's standpoint.

[@sathishkumar8654]

At such young age Gukesh is incredible. One must appreciate that instead of mocking his moves. Easy to pass comments once someone becomes Dinosaur.

[@PR_13007]

Thanks for the recap, You're right the position where Ding spent 50 min in making the move you would think Ding knows he's mildly better and play rook D1 instantly to get the game going and pressure Gukesh but yet again like the trends we have seen Ding is looking for a bailout option again and again. It is very frustrating to watch as a viewer.

[@thelegend7406]

Kramnik you can increase board size on lichess right bottom corner yesterday was small

[@fundhund62]

Very interesting recap! Thank you!

[@usernameused3]

I sort of subscribed to your channel and I'm sort of thankful for your sort of a recap, Mr. Kramnik😂😂 Jokes aside, I love that you don't use engine during your recaps, please keep them coming💪💪💪

[@L0g1kk_]

Totally agree; the level of play so far has not been impressive.

[@Кукеш_Д]

Владимир Борисович. Так ведь всё очень просто объясняется. Ни у одного из соперников фамилия не начинается на К (см. Капабланка, Карпов, Каспаров, Крамник, Карлсен). Потому и уровень такой.

[@martinsitar9238]

ну Вам, дорогой КукЕш, что мешает пополнить стройный ряд?...

[@Кукеш_Д]

@@martinsitar9238 Мне Владимир Борисович не разрешает. Говорит, что это окончательно разрушит статистическую теорию вероятностей. А если еще добавить Корчного, Карякина и Каруану, то совсем капец :)

[@kazimirmalevich6712]

@@martinsitar9238 вторая буква в фамилии мешает, должна быть «а»

[@Chess_with_Debilych]

@@kazimirmalevich6712 Потому что КАисса!)

[@nuwandalton]

@@Кукеш_Д Khalifman and Kasimdzhanov became FIDE World Champions, too ^^

[@chookchookflea]

Give that position to carlsen and hed win it 9 out of 10 times

[@jaedong1957]

(c) Hikaru

[@Anton314100500]

Yeah, for both sides lol

[@MrFootofDavros]

Depends if he was playing Fabi...

[@PDSeverus]

It presumes that the opponent would have played same moves against Carlsen.

[@skK-xk3yc]

Nah Carlson classical is weak , he'l hold and draw 9 times out of 10 until the rapids only then destroy his opponents..

[@janegansey7442]

Когда видишь такую нестабильную игру, ставится обидно за стабильных топовых игроков, которые имели реальные шансы бороться за корону. С такой игрой шахматная корона обречена каждый чемпионат прыгать из рук в руки … после Магнуса об абсолютной доминации на ЧМ речи не идет…. Владимир Борисович, спасибо за обзор и потраченное время!

[@Craftworld_patriot]

Поэтому после ухода Магнуса болею только за Каруану:)

[@alexeyprofi3951]

Янчик бы хоть как-то потянул

[@VBKramnik]

​@@alexeyprofi3951уверен, осилил бы обоих,жаль

[@aarambh9788]

What i think is the takeaway here and correct me if i am wrong mr.kramnik is saying that if someone has focused too much on calculation, there is holes in his/her understanding of the position Nice to see the "tradeoffs" which constitute each unique player

[@postmasterpez]

I think both of them are pretty bad at positional chess for being top players, and especially comaired to someone like Kramnik that is one of the best in history of the game. Also I think Ding just want to make a draw in any position, If he dont think he is up 2+ or something. And for Gukesh its the opposite, he will play on in a wors position if possible.

[@Academiculysses]

i dont know what is happening every time i subscribe to the channel i come back and see it has unsubscribed again

[@VBKramnik]

🤷‍♂️

[@polos7714]

These are great vids. Very instructive for an us amateurs

[@janbilek367]

На этот раз я не могу согласиться с Владимиром Борисовичем. Более глубокий компьютерный анализ не выявил никаких нарушений! Конечно, алгоритм выбора ходов у современных молодых игроков, как правило, совершенно иной! Они играют в основном «ход за ходом». Я знаю это сам, воспитывая детей и подростков в течение нескольких десятилетий (разумеется, на гораздо более низком уровне, чем чемпион мира, хотя я воспитал и нескольких гроссмейстеров). Мы знали, что шахматы - это (по определению Ботвинника) «неточная математическая задача». Если бы мы (гипотетически) знали лучшие ходы в позиции, то нам, конечно, не нужны были бы такие « коридоры», как план, стратегия, законы, правила, инструкции. С другой стороны, я бы оценил в Гукеше то, что он решил продолжить игру с худшим временем. В этом смысле пресс-конференция заслуживает внимания.

[@UAdair]

Thank you GM Kramnik for this recap.

[@БрокколиМэн]

It is hard to lose a game when it looks like your opponent doesnt want to win... I hope Ding is only waiting for some real no-brainer chances.

[@Alain9-1]

100% agree with world champion, i got sleepy after move 20

[@aarambh9788]

Sir what do you think is the issue here, why in the last two world championships quality of play has gone down, even though in normal tournaments they have done well in the past

[@sanyasyniushkevych1868]

Who cares of these two amateurs? Anything new on the real chess genius (Naroditsky)? :)

[@fairchess779]

Enjoyed the commentary. Only one thing. It is one tempo and two tempi. Tempo singular. Tempi plural.

[@kramnikstudentc24]

Game 6 :( Back to Chess com :((

[@evelynn4273]

But.. but.. it's common knowledge that chess players today are MUCH better than players from the past. How can you be disappointed?

[@VBKramnik]

statisticaly its opposite,to your knowledge

[@arondevan5785]

Keep up the good work sir! Thankyou for your efforts.

[@siddharthb2633]

Kramnik thinks this is low quality. Imagine what he thinks about our chess.

[@MahendraKumar-xj2cj]

I don't know why senior players still think they have better understanding of the position than these young players who have been preparing with much stronger engines and different playing style, now a days these players are playing more like engines than human like Gukesh played the move gxh5 no senior player will play that move. So probably we should not expect a lot of human line from this young generation.

[@nuwandalton]

Understanding of the position has little to do with engines. There's no reason to believe that the digital generations (roughly Carlsen and younger players) play better chess than say Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik... Obviously, Carlsen is their peer (he's of the Capablanca, Smyslov, Karpov lineage), but the other ones? I'm not so sure. Incidentally, the owner of this channel is the player with the best classical record vs. Carlsen. A mere -1, being 15 years older, is no small achievement.

[@ethanguo4219]

Stockfish doesn't like ding or gukesh either. It rather agrees with what kramnik said here. Gukesh refuses draw and gets himself into troubles is not engine based. Ding throwing away a win is disappointing stockfish greatly. It's nearly 0.8, stockfish would win this 40% of time against a 3600

[@ethanguo4219]

Engines' style is very aggressive, unforgiving, and patient. It's always putting maximum pressure on opponent, and would be willing to play hundred moves for a slight edge, even if it's playing a stronger engine. Certainly NOT the style of these new players you suggest

[@mrkkdc6592]

Keep up the good work!

[@destinys_child]

I will ask you this doubt Sir, even the games between magnus and fabi in 2018 were equally boring with both players playing out draws with very solid chess. World championships are supposed to be like this right? Can players really play at their peaks in such an event? I always thought that a wc is just about playing better than your opponent as you only have one opponent throughout unllike other events where you have multiple opponents.

[@VBKramnik]

Not solid chess, strong chess,therefore many draws but games were MUCH more interesting let along another level simply

[@destinys_child]

@@VBKramnik Fair. But do you think that in a wc players dont play at their peaks as you prepare player centric as you have only one opponent throughout about whom you know atleast 6 months prior?

[@VBKramnik]

​@@destinys_childI dont blame them just seemingly their best at the moment is not at the level of WC match

[@destinys_child]

@@VBKramnik I hope that changes going forward because we definitely love your longer recaps :). Upto Ding and Gukesh now to ensure we get a longer and more insightful analysis from you :)

[@janbilek367]

This time I cannot agree with Vladimir Borisovich. A deeper computer analysis reveals no wrongdoing! Certainly, the algorithm of move selection of today's young players is usually completely different! They play mostly 'move by move'. I know this myself, having raised children and youngsters for a couple of decades (at a much lower level than the World Champion, of course, although I have also raised a few Grandmasters). We were aware that chess is (Botvinnik's definition) 'an imprecise mathematical problem'. If we (hypothetically) knew the best moves in a position, then 'crutches' like plan, strategy, laws, rules, instructions would of course not be needed. I, on the other hand, would have appreciated in Gukesh that he decided to continue the game with a worse time. In that sense, the press conference is worth a look.

[@tomsmith4452]

You are wrong. Not playing Rd1 is an obvious mistake. Also Kc2. Engine confirms this as well. Black can still hold with a perfect play but white is much better. Kramnik is right.

[@amaynez]

You are not considering that neither are machines, thus the advantages that both Kramnik and Magnus see are human advantages, if you give Magnus white he would have defeated anyone in the world. I believe even maybe Kramnik himself would have given us more fighting chess.

[@ГоранВујадиновић]

...certainly, the game looks very strange...непонятно почему Динг не мог припомнить что у его проходные...скажем ц4 вместо х5 в эндшпиле...?!

[@LudwigDeLarge]

Sort of first comment here

[@ГоранВујадиновић]

...ну...что ж...уровень шахмат напоминает вторую половину матча Карлсен - Непомнящий...

[@achmadardiansyah4223]

good luck master london opening (according from magnus, 2015 rapid blitz tournament)

[@kazimirmalevich6712]

Ding should invite Vladimir to his team!

[@PDSeverus]

Looks like the way chess is looked at has changed. Other reviewers don't seem to be as disappointed as Kramnik . Others could even find something interesting in the game.

[@whitegoldsilver]

One should bring chocolate to Ding‘s nose to smell and become sure it is a chocolate. Then one should put the chocolate in his mouth to taste. And of course try to help him to bite and eat. Ding got three games with play for winning but the result of all three games was draw. If real Champions were on the board would have three more points.

[@siliconmalta2349]

totally agree

[@dariovelasquez3982]

I share your general opinion. This match will be decided by psychological factors and not purely chess factors

[@khodion]

Why is the D file more important than the open G file where the black king is?

[@dark_magician_sdy]

Good stuff 👏

[@mohamedmonhair2025]

u cant be hiding like a coward if u wanna win a championship ding needs to step up

[@sergeyc8971]

It's not even 2300 🙈

[@davidcorcoran1715]

I think take take take needs to bring Vladimir Kramnik on the show.

[@kirby7489]

This is a championship match in name only.

[@alexeyprofi3951]

У Дина слабое ментальное состояние, и он всё сводит к ничьим чтобы не перенапрягаться, не волноваться и т.д. Его стратегия в том чтобы играть максимально безопасные игры, т.к. он не может перестать быть чемпионом не проигрывая

[@timespaice]

Absolutely no interest in this game. Why Carlsen did resign from WC ? he had no reason to resign or fear anything even unprepared he would win this.

[@ethanguo4219]

You never know. Nepo, kaiyakin, fabi all gave him a hard time, and that is with him working hard and preparing. Losing would be very bad for his reputation, and nowadays it's more about i prep an opening idea to trap you rather to play chess

[@abirbhavchakrawarty4356]

Magnus is old now. Difficult to sit and calculate for a five hour long classical game. That's why he likes to play speedchess now. Actually Magnus would most likely struggle against these youngsters like Arjun, Gukesh, Abdusattorov. Prime Magnus was truly unbeatable.

[@jayantpriyadarshi9266]

@@abirbhavchakrawarty4356 you are wrong. magnus will beat them even now

[@emsagro12]

Good take as always. Magnus would have won this with white 80% of the time.

[@JahacMilfova]

Good game

[@adityajangid3528]

great recap

[@pochtet]

Computers play on pure calculation and outplay any human. Why are we then surprised that the best human players are just slow computers playing on pure calculation?

[@ethanguo4219]

Engines are much more focused on intuition actually. Its a neural net having seen billions of billions of games. It then intuitively chooses candidate moves, plays them out and assesses the resulting position based on its intuition.

[@pochtet]

@@ethanguo4219 Classical Stockfish without neural networking (NNEU) was only 250 elo points weaker, as stated by Stockfish site.

[@williamdewit5432]

Love your comments.

[@jayantsingh658]

Gukesh destroyed every one in the olympiad. He deserves to be here 100%

[@nuwandalton]

What is the link between the Olympiad and the WCC?

[@MrSupernova111]

hello champ!

[@Chess_with_Debilych]

Даже не 2300?))

[@МАРКГАНДБОЛОВ]

Шахматы не сказали за себя, удивительно

[@joylife428]

Guys outside these two players are making comments as if they were gods. Magnus made 12 draws with caruana in 2018 i guess.😂

[@AlexanderYaremchuk]

they had about 100 pct accuracy both! probably you better be kinder :)

[@VBKramnik]

101 to be presice

[@chessllermo]

At least, they do not seem to be cheating.

[@cognakthkrathk1027]

Team Kramnik f the cheaters

[@rtymbrt4175]

Vladimir Lramnik why do u post Kasparov phot on every video?)

[@VBKramnik]

He was quite a player

[@rtymbrt4175]

@VBKramnik yes,and you too,we are both legends ,thanks for everything u have done in chess❤

[@Truthtellers]

We know black is loosing after qh4 but please support Gukesh at least he is trying to fight instead of just draw. Dont think you are better because of 18 year old you were not even close to world champion. Bloody haters and bloody Kramnik

[@nuwandalton]

That would be because the chess world had a serious selection system back when VK was 18. Not some f*****g circus where you can become candidate in a 10-round open tournament and challenger in 24 games. Zonals, Interzonals, Candidates matches. Those were the days.

[@jsj297]

So it’s not online “player bot vs. player bot?” Odd 🧐 Not 3500 elo moves? Not any 98% CAP? What was their CAPS, Champ? Might be an interesting research. 🤷‍♂️

[@abirbhavchakrawarty4356]

Honestly, it feels like neither of them want to win.

[@superneenjaa718]

Don't take everything Kramnik says at face value. There were quite a few small errors in his evaluations especially regarding black's chances.

[@kimgysen10]

@@superneenjaa718 l followed the live stream, actually to me most if not all is correct from what I saw. There are two evaluation bars, one from the 'real engine', and one from the engine based on the human factor. White was better most of the game. Which is the move that was incorrect here?

[@superneenjaa718]

@@kimgysen10 Kg7 when Kramnik suggested had no potential at all. It had a chance two moves earlier, but it loses a pawn and wasn't clear why it was winning unless you spend at least 5 mins calculating. Also Kramnik suggested Gukesh trade the queens earlier than he did. Doing so would have only hurt Black's chances of surviving according to engines.

[@VBKramnik]

​@@superneenjaa718thank you for clarification 🙏

[@b00071027]

Second comment Sort of

[@akramsalim9706]

Frankly

[@steliosioannou4996]

this is the most accurate World championship,so?

[@VBKramnik]

Its not by far

[@steliosioannou4996]

@@VBKramnik by Stockfish analysis it is.

[@RaineriHakkarainen]

Weakest was Spassky versus Fischer in 1972! Spassky played so badly! Fischer his moves were many times 3th or 4th computers Best moves!

[@VBKramnik]

​@@steliosioannou4996 it is not, dont repeat nonsense after somebody else 😊

[@TheGrandmasterMan]

28. c4 and then Stockfish forces win. These guys are playing like engines, based on their accuracy scores, so how come Ding didnt give c4 a go and advance the pawns? I suspect he is going for the playoffs where Gukesh is not at his strongest

[@KemosabeTBC]

I like watching your videos but come on. You just deleted my comment because... you didn't like it? What the hell? Is this how you deal with everyone you don't agree with?

[@VBKramnik]

Only with arrogant people

[@KemosabeTBC]

@VBKramnik And how exactly was I arrogant? I even admitted I'm not good enough to understand the nuances as you do. I merely pointed out something that is in all likelihood not a coincidence.

[@VBKramnik]

​@@KemosabeTBC also whe people write nonsense, dont remember what category was yours, sorry

[@KemosabeTBC]

@@VBKramnik That's fine but, if you don't mind my suggestion, why delete anything at all? I genuinely don't understand the point. If was arguing with someone, even if they were being completely arrogant, I would not want to delete anything. The only way to get to the truth is via discussion, in the end I do not care whether I am right or wrong.

[@VBKramnik]

​@@KemosabeTBCI do not want nonsense in the comment section nor lack of basic culture My channel my rules,sorry

[@steliosioannou4996]

In Greece we have a proverb: (From outside the dance-circle, you sing a lot of songs) Meaning: It is easy to talk about something if you do not do it yourself! Easier said than done.If it is so easy and you would play in a World champion level you can play again clasical chess and win the World Champion easy!!You can be critical but you were tough!!Come and play and do it!!take the World Champion!!it is very easy as you say!!Nobody knows the pressure the players have!!

[@VBKramnik]

Didnt I? 😂

[@steliosioannou4996]

@VBKramnik Every time it is different.Anyway,it is so easy with all those bad player's who are not in a world champion level,you must start again and regain the world championship

[@albeback5234]

😮 so there are chesscum 🤖 in Greece too ?

[@steliosioannou4996]

@@albeback5234 ???

[@TheTeacherMan_TTM]

I just subscribed hoping you make more and more videos. Would like to hear some real chess stuff. Of course NO CHEATING chess stuff, i.e. without engines.

[@TheTeacherMan_TTM]

Спасива мр крамник

[@Atheist1306]

3rd comment. Sort of

[@bobkreme2175]

Boring

[@jgrimaldo011]

Hikaru agrees with you

[@انت-صلي-عالنبي-بس]

I wish you would play this finale Mr. Kramnik 💜🤍💙 Big Respect for you ❤️