Soteriology | The Doctrine of Salvation

[@melissasmind2846]

Never heard of it! Excellent

[@melissasmind2846]

You made it seem easy breaking it down and it's super hard. Well done 👏

[@bookclub5291]

Thanks, glad you found it of value 😀

[@melissasmind2846]

@bookclub5291 it was!

[@melissasmind2846]

This is great! Thank you!

[@melissasmind2846]

You have tact. Hehe. You sat it nicely.

[@bookclub5291]

Glad you liked it! 🙏

[@melissasmind2846]

I realize now it was 4 days ago. Listening now

[@alchemygal3285]

You sound Daoist. Your views and beliefs are Daoist. This is a core theme and belief in the Daoist faith. It happens to be one of my favorites:

[@bookclub5291]

I am fond of the Tao Te Ching, and also have some other Daoist texts and biographies. Maybe I am. 🤔

[@alchemygal3285]

Kung fu panda is a child’s movie but it teaches Daoist Doctrine. There is no secret ingredient. Also when Po teaches kung fu to the villagers, he does something different for each villager. Learning kung fu is a metaphor for learning the way. No river looks the same but all rivers lead to the ocean. This is a quote in a Daoist text. I’ll link some of the videos. But this doctrine you are preaching is a core doctrine of the Daoist faith. Each tree such as a peach tree or a cactus tree requires a different environment and different sustenance to survive, these represent different paths. But each path does share core themes required by all trees. This is a metaphor for different paths and religions. This is why the Taoist canon includes Confucius texts, Mozis texts, and even atheist Daoist texts. The doctrine has many and no one Daoist uses the entire Daoist canon. They each of them use what necessary. It’s very nature is also a synchronic religion, it is made to synchronize with other traditions as you see fit to help you find the way as according to your individual needs.

[@bookclub5291]

I love Kung Fu Panda. Such wisdom in a kids movie 🙏

[@alchemygal3285]

25:00 the nature of Jesus is disagreed upon. Some say he is god, some say he is all human but a perfect human, some say he is half god half human, some say full god and full human, and more… as well as the Jews having their own ideas and the Muslims with their own ideas. It’s all over the place lol. It’s the source of much division. But to likewise make a belief claim that it is all okay will also lead to a division. Not all will agree, and many will question how can you know that? Or some ppl will try to create a synchronized version that try’s to tie together the many different views of Jesus.. but just like above, belief claims just don’t work to solve this issue.

[@alchemygal3285]

I disagree with the universal idea that all paths lead to the truth. I also disagree with the idea that only one path leads to the truth. Both are fallacious. The universal idea that all paths lead to the truth is a dangerous notion that only sounds all cozy and good at first but it allows bad doctrines and paths to thrive. It is a relative fallacy. The reality is that many paths can lead to the truth but there are paths that cannot… otherwise, just do whatever you want.

[@bookclub5291]

Well said. I would agree with that. But ultimately it’s up to each individual to decide..

[@alchemygal3285]

As for the bahai faith, their attempt is nice but it doesn’t work. I’m not saying that that path can’t lead to the truth but that path cannot unite the different paths that exist in this world. Nor can it create peace. That type of method is the same method that has been tried time and time again to no avail. Likewise, traditions like atheism (anti theism) or abrahamic faiths etc that try to attack and eliminate traditions cannot work as well. It only strengthens the divide. Both types of ppl cannot create peace or unification. Even the idea of unification itself has issues equal to the issues of division. Unification doesn’t understand anekantavada.

[@bookclub5291]

I’m glad that you have opinions about this! I look forward to discussing this with you 🙏

[@alchemygal3285]

@ well, has it created peace yet? We live in a world that creates multidimensional ppl. We don’t live in a world that creates ppl who think the same. Therefore, no belief claim made by any person will ever create peace for everyone. Jesus tried, Mohammed tried, mahavira tried, Guru Nanak tried, the Buddha tried, Baháʼu'lláh tried, Richard Dawkins, Gurdjieff tried etc etc etc. They all use the same method. It cannot work. Otherwise, we would have had peace a long time ago. They also divide within themselves. They all form into sects, denominations, etc. nothing ever stands unified. They also have a issue of turning into cults. The bahai faith is know for being a cult. This isn’t an opinion. This is an observable fact. Or can you explain why you believe a belief claim can work? There is possibly another way, my secret until I get it out around ten years from now. I have a lot of reading to do. The funny thing is it’s quite simple.

[@bookclub5291]

I’d love to hear about your secret! Maybe over in WhatsApp? I just think it’s a noble pursuit, but like you say, much of me believes it’s an impossibility with the state of Human Nature… be interesting to discuss this with you. 😊🙏

[@alchemygal3285]

@@bookclub5291 I think it’s possible. I’m just stating that repeating the method of using a philosophy or religion or science and reason to achieve this is not possible. If something isn’t working, it’s erroneous to continue to try to alleviate the issue through those same methods of philosophy, reason, or religion. I cannot know whether what I do is possible but I think it’s great. Only time can tell… however, I can know that what I do is not the same method of utilizing a philosophy or a religious movement. I make no utopian claims for the world, I do not teach ppl the way. I do not have the answers. I am not a prophet or saint. If a guru is a darkness dispeller, I am a dispeller of light. I exist in the void. My position soaks in other ppls lights rather than giving light. My advice is this… if you want to help change the world and or unify the divisions of our world, you must try a method that doesn’t use a belief/truth claim. Try to innovate something that is alien to all that have come before. I’m trying my own thing. And I’m all for you trying as well. But it’s just important to understand what cannot work. Don’t get me wrong though, creating a new philosophy or religion can and will bring peace and help to likeminded individuals, but it cannot become a permanent universal lvl of peace on a grand scale as large as the entire earth.

[@baronbullshyster2996]

The religion is just a finger pointing at god. People seem to worship their religion and not what it is pointing too. So they have created an ego out of the religion so they can hate other religions. The world is nuts sometimes 🐿️ but that’s good if you’re a squirrel.

[@bookclub5291]

I agree with all that. Every religion across the world has split itself up into factions. This is due to what you state above, the worship of the religion, and not the source of the religion. 🙏