Sound Couple - Outdoor Bar Gig 6/11/21

[@DeanKWilson]

Lots to learn from you in this video. Thanks for taking the time to share with us.

[@thesoundcouple]

You're welcome...and thank you for the comments!

[@m.ballardmusic5570]

i really appreciate your response!!! i want to love these speakers but im a little conflicted on wether to keep them or look elsewhere! thank you so much

[@thesoundcouple]

If your expectations are realistic with them, you should be fine and I would just use them if you like the way they sound, etc. We have dozens of videos showing them being used in all kinds of applications, from small weddings to larger street dances. They have been fantastic and very versatile for us.

[@markhurst4889]

I’ve watched a few of your videos. I’m very impressed with the presonus subs after listening on my home system. 1000 watt boxes. 135 db max. Pretty impressive! Great videos. Love the real world approach

[@thesoundcouple]

Thanks Mark - the subs definitely work for us. To be honest, we have seen some EV subs lately that were disturbingly loud! We don't need (or want that), but the point is to find the gear that works...and the CDL subs with their form factor, etc. are serving us well.

[@prproductions51]

Been watching a couple weeks really like you guys, I dj and do sound for 20 years, keep up the good work

[@thesoundcouple]

Thank you! We got more videos coming soon!

[@ega0117]

Sorry to see not a big crowd dancing 💃 🕺 danc awesome sound and awesome band 👍

[@thesoundcouple]

That happens sometimes! Gigs are more fun with more people but we always focus on our job for the people that are there...they matter just as much!

[@octaudio]

not sure Rick.. using that many little speakers array inside those boxes hmm.. sounds a bit washy on the mid-highs to me..prefer a coax design

[@thesoundcouple]

Each speaker design has it's pros and cons!

[@MrMotoden]

A suggestion to bag the sand bags. 2 or 4 of those helical dog tie out things with short ratchet straps to the top of the legs. A little longer to place, but obviously much lighter and probably more secure. Cheers.

[@thesoundcouple]

Cool, thank you for the input!

[@EstudioMantraChile]

Nice videos! Please upload a better quality of image so we can see some detail... Keep them coming!

[@thesoundcouple]

Thanks for the feedback- we’re always learning!

[@CarlsOpinion]

Hey just sub'd to you guys, as I'm doing research on the cdl12p's(budget friendly). What do you think of their 18 inch subs?? I know your cell phone is probably doing some compressing, but I'm not hearing a lot of the low end. With the Four cdl12's how far will they reach? 200 feet?? Less?? What is your experience? Thanks for doing these videos, especially while you are in the middle of setup. Have a good one. Carl

[@thesoundcouple]

My experience with "low end" is not only subjective (to taste and perception), it can vary drastically by location and placement of the subs (ground stacked, on the stage, speaker positioning, room acoustics/reflective surfaces) and the type of music (live vs. pre-recorded). With all of these factors into play, I find that pre-recorded music allows for more consistent results (easier to manage the environmental factors since the "mix" part is done for you), whereas with live music, it seems to vary more based on location (PA and band). Ultimately, with limited resources (we can only carry/set up so much), we can provide up to 4 CDL subs and 3 additional ai subs. In just about every scenario, I find this to be plenty, and if for some reason it's not...too bad. I just saw a video posted by the same band with a different production company that provided 12 subs (6 per side) at a comparable outdoor event...wholly crap!! Really? to me, that to me seems way overkill and unbalanced with only two top mains. That will never happen in my world as there isn't the budget and resources to support that. Interestingly enough, we were recently able to reposition the kick drum mic (he did have mounted inside the kick drum) to a stand and positioned the mic closer to the outside port and the results were very noticeable. We are using their mic packages and I am a Beta 52 guy and missed it up to this point terribly. Now I understand it was more about mic placement and not the mic and we achieved much more low end punch with less eq'ing to make it happen. I realize that this is way beyond your question, but just wanted to make it clear that there are so many more factors besides the cabinets that play a role in this. IMO, the CDL subs do a fine job in what they are designed to do, especially when you consider their footprint, which has proved to be very beneficial to our pack as they are more compact than others in their class. The only way you can guarantee you are always going to get plenty of low end is to simply add more so you can hopefully better control the environment to make it do what you want it to. In our case, we cannot supply endless subs, so we are more dependent on all of the other factors to hopefully support us and to deliver the results we are looking for. I do not regret the purchase of the CDL's to help us with that. They are quality made and pack a good punch...but remember, they are just a single 18 sub, so each one can only do so much. I wouldn't expect 4 subs from any brand to be pounding your chest at 200 ft, but you can hear them and felt them say from up to 50 feet. That to me is well within expectations. Dave Ratt has some interesting videos on sub placement, I would suggest checking them out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKiveWqwhZt_rdE

[@samuelhernandez109]

Idk if to go with those cdl12’s or some QSC KLA12’s

[@thesoundcouple]

Hopefully our videos can help with your decision!

[@m.ballardmusic5570]

love your videos!!! im having trouble with the speakers hitting the limiter pretty quick. Have you had this issue?? any advice?

[@thesoundcouple]

Yes...we do find them hitting the limiter sooner than we feel they should as well. Just our opinion, but they seem to be a bit too cautious and we look at it as we are getting into yellow...not red. We have used these thoroughly over the past 3 years through some tough gigs pushing them hard and we have yet to have any problems....so we will keep doing what we do. You can check out a video here where we started our journey with them and we talked about this a bit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3yQiHtmrNqYpa8

[@dalexsoundonyoutube]

sounds amazing this presonus is my next sound sistem! right now im selling my old QSC equipment to buy these one!! greetings from el paso texas

[@thesoundcouple]

Good luck with your new investment! They have been working well for us!

[@keepitrealentertainment8884]

All that effort to put together a kick arse system for a small handful of people! They should have stuck to the small stage!! 😂. Nice work though guys

[@thesoundcouple]

Completely agree...not sure what the expectations were on this one.

[@newmeutube1]

This band is pretty good 👌

[@thesoundcouple]

Yes they are! They are one of our favorites to work with!

[@karyn_davidcuellar6128]

I just recently started my own small sound production. Have y'al ever show up to an event not having enough sound

[@thesoundcouple]

Always! Just kidding, but I can only recall a couple of times where I thought this was the case, but will not own that issue. During the planning stages, there are plenty of opportunities to address, but the budgets ultimately do the talking and we provide a lot for what we are getting paid. If they need more, the organizers need to step up and pay for it.

[@chrisharris1139]

Hey guys nice setup. Do you have an issue with the cdl 12s hitting the limiter?

[@thesoundcouple]

If we are pushing them...yes, but we don't get too concerned about it. We have pushed them very hard for some gigs and they are holding up and continue to sound great at all gigs.

[@paulschmassmann1282]

Sounding good.

[@thesoundcouple]

Thank you Paul! We try!

[@markprincemolina7548]

Nice setup, nice sounds too 👌🏻

[@thesoundcouple]

Thank you!

[@markprincemolina7548]

@@thesoundcouple what stage monitor are you using?

[@thesoundcouple]

@@markprincemolina7548 In this video we are using a PreSonus 328ai as a center fill. This band is on in-ear monitors, but we use the 328's for stage monitors for other bands. Unfortunately, they have been discontinued.

[@marsalis17]

What lighting trees are you using for this performance and how many do you think I should carry on my at a time?

[@thesoundcouple]

We use Ultimate trees. We only carry as many as we have lights we could potentially use. In our case 5 since that’s how many bar mounted lights we have.

[@chromemusic4401]

What do you charge for 3-4 hours for that set up? Most of the bands in my area have their own Sound system

[@thesoundcouple]

Thanks for watching! I don't really want to get into pricing here, but yes, carrying a system is a good choice for some (I did in every band I played in). Personally, I think that carrying a system can be a burden on some bands as its overhead that some groups don't want to deal with. Another factor is that at least in this area, the clubs that are left, mostly have a house systems. Back in the day, not so much. So between either house systems, or production provided events, bands that can hire us to handle the other 3rd makes good business sense. Otherwise, they may have a PA sitting for long periods of time. The band in this video carries a small system for their acoustic show.

[@shawnwilke8129]

hey what are you using for your center fills??

[@thesoundcouple]

We are using a PreSonus 328ai cabinet. You will see these frequently in our videos as we use them for stage monitors too!

[@m.ballardmusic5570]

how are you setting your crossover?

[@thesoundcouple]

We use the Worx Control DSP software for the cabinets...I believe we crossover at 100 Hz.

[@m.ballardmusic5570]

@@thesoundcouple we just bought 8 of these cabinets! having some fun! Really enjoy the videos!

[@thesoundcouple]

@@m.ballardmusic5570 Wow! OK, if you got the "P" series, I believe the settings are controlled right on the back of the cabinet.

[@globaltracking7169]

Hey are you using the CDL 1,00watt or 2,000watt 2 way speakers

[@thesoundcouple]

The cabinets only come in a 1,000 watt configuration. Were you thinking CDL12 versus CDL12P? If that is what you meant, we are using the CDL12's. The 328AI are 2000 watt cabinets. You can see the the specs for the CDL's on their product page: www.presonus.com/products/Live-Sound-Reinforcement

[@rocksolidentertainment6060]

@@thesoundcouple what's the difference between the two (CDL12 vs CDL12P)? The specs are identical, not the price?

[@uxrocket5956]

@@rocksolidentertainment6060 I'm also interested in understanding the practical difference!!

[@foodstampz]

@@rocksolidentertainment6060 FROM WHAT IVE NOTICED the boxes are different but identical audio minus the dante and ethernet on the cdl vs no dante on the p"s, that is a biggie for some companys, not for me so ill go with the cdl12p

[@ConcertCultureSound]

@@foodstampz can you let me know if you liked them? I’m thinking about buying 4 of them, but not sure if I should get 4 of these or the jbl SRX835 please let me know if you liked them or not :-)

[@derrickmitchell8306]

What board did y’all use

[@thesoundcouple]

We used a PreSonus 32R rack mixer for this show.

[@markprincemolina7548]

For the amps gtr and bass, did you mic them or direct lineout to mixer?

[@thesoundcouple]

It depends on the set-up. Typically for bass, we always go direct with a DI box (or built in DI on bass amp) and mic guitars. With this band, we do both on guitars. One player has more traditional set-up so we mic his amp. The other guitar has a Kemper profiling amp, so we go direct out.