Audyssey Room Optimization - Part 2 Advance Set-up (MultEQ App)

Phil Jones and special guest, Jeff Clark, Director of Software Engineering at Audyssey discuss advanced setup and how to make adjustments via the MultEQ App.
Audyssey MultEQ Editor app (Apple App Store)
apps.apple.com/us/app/audyssey-multeq-editor-app/id1210584625
Audyssey MultEQ Editor app (Google Play Store)
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dmholdings.AudysseyMultEq&hl=en_US
Denon Receivers
usa.denon.com/en-us/category/receivers
Marantz Receivers
www.us.marantz.com/en/category/marantzna-avreceivers
#Audyssey, #MultEQApp, #Denon, #Marantz, #calibration, #receiversetup #SUAV-techtips

[@thepiecesfit5049]

Please add manual numerical frequency entry of the curve and decibel in the MultEQ app. It is nearly impossible to make accurate adjustments with a finger in the app.

[@KillerSneak]

4 years later and we still don’t have this option….

[@drivingnirvana5164]

This training program and Phil has convinced me and now I cancelled NAD receiver order and going with Denon instead. These training sessions are very valuable for me to decode what the receiver and its software actually does and I now feel confident I can set up a nice system, thank you!

[@robpiper4002]

This and the previous video are fantastic. Thank you for being so informative in an area that many think they know about but clearly dont. This is really useful

[@RXP91]

Thanks for the public info - it's been much needed and really appreciate you guys uploading this.

[@CriPPleR_HD]

Great info. The info on calibrating to the personal sweet spot was informative. Going to run Audyssey again with this info in minds.

[@jmmontegnies9311]

It's possible to use the app on a PC and on a bigger screen than a smartphone. Install an Adroïd emulator as Bluestacks and it will run on W7 or W10. I've done it and it works great. It's much more convenient than on the little touch screen of a smartphone.

[@xander2753]

I watched all your Audyssey learning videos, and I really tried to do my best with carefull setup and tweaking. Results for movies and audio are just amazing. And I use Marantz Cinema 50 with 5.1.4 setup using B&W speakers. So it is ok setup with really capable speakers. Still Audyssey did make all corrections just great. My advice for all that do not get good resutls is few simple tweaks - Reference EQ for movies, Flat for audio. Speakers cut off at 80hz, and that midrange dip to off. Do not use to wide area, and do not messure area like you have a cinema space at home. Messure you exact position. Awesome product, Sound United did great job also with new Marantz series. Only thing that I would say i based on flow logic from past is midrange dip. I would just remove that part form software.

[@glaflamme]

Such a great information load! Every question I had was answered, thank you both very much

[@stigeriktangen1288]

Audyssey is great - however, adjusting the target curves is ... difficult. There should be something like parametric EQ, where you can input frequency, Q and level as numbers. That would be great. Please also add a library of different target curves as well, as none of the default curves will sound good. A downward slope on the target curve is usually preferred by most listeners.

[@SuperSteamengine]

110 %

[@raymondgranda201]

Thanks guys. Reaffirms my choice of Marantz devices.

[@iampuzzleman282]

Thanks, nice vid. BUT, why not redo test to see if adjustments yield a new curve for comparison to ‘predictive! Curve. Kinda a let down.

[@getdealtwithquick]

Been really impressed with Audyssey XT32 for music. I can confirm though that the high frequency rolloff and mid-range compensation don't work for me in my space. 1) Klipsch RP tweeters are directive and 2) even after removing roll off, I have to raise the curve above 4 KHz a bit because with treatment, the highs are too muffled, if I limit treatment to 4Khz, they're too bright.

[@hj8607]

Is the Audyssey app available on windows PC . (lest be honest, a cell phone screen is absurdly small and I DO NOT want to waist money on a MINI computer .)

[@scottb721]

So if my correction lines are still jaggered does that mean the speakers are crap?

[@wbean8802]

I used Audyssey room optimizations and speaker tones are way off when checking with a decibel meter why?

[@bme7491]

Why, when I look at Room Correction Results, the before and after look almost identical??

[@larry9079]

Hi for some reason when i run the calibration from my receiver avr x6500h it sounds better than when i run the calibration from the app and send it to the receiver with the same settings is there a way i can download the .ady file from the receiver and then import it into the app to tweak on it any ideas what i could be doing wrong should i try running the app from a different phone

[@koki123]

Please Dear Audyssey and Sound United Team, let us deactivate the Surround Boost of Dynamic EQ, sitting on a back wall couch the surround and rear heights are awful loud that way!

[@1165mac]

The surround boost in Dynamic EQ is WAY too hot regardless of room layout in my experience. I don't use it at all for this reason.

[@nickmaddalena985]

We really need more than two presets. Two is not really enough. Ok for a b testing but 3 or 4 would help for ab testing and keeping a reference. Otherwise, I have to create multiple files.... I mean if you can do two you can do more. Could this be a future update? Or is there not enough memory in the receivers?

[@paulwary]

Is there any other way to adjust Audyssey filter curves? Eg Denon has a control protocol which you can telnet into, but I can't find any settings for multieq other than mode selection. Is there a back door to Audyssey?

[@rkumarblr1]

Post measurement will changing the subwoofer curve alone to say a Hartman curve with a +10 dB base increase and gradual roll off after 100Hz cause the sub level to change accordingly. Doing so does not reflect any change on on the curve editor, hence the question .

[@AADmrstangerbanger]

Is sending back my AVR8500H to upgrade to HA worth it? I have LG c1 oled and run xbox straight to TV and run ARC to receiver. Is the upgrade going to help sound quality at all or is it just hardware upgrade? Thanks

[@rodgerkempisty4721]

Please fix the app it keeps crashing when looking for my AVR

[@stijnzwijn]

Where can I find the IR codes for changing the speaker preset? I would like to control this with my Logitech Harmony.

[@uprajsingh]

Hi Phil and Jeff, An example: When I play audio in lets say pure direct, I enjoy that sound. When I turn on Audessey the sound is processed its likeable and good. I want to Eq my speakers to sound like pure direct for example. How can I achieve that. How do I capture the sound coming out from speakers in Pure direct and then tweak the audessey eq app to match them? I do not even know where to start from but I know what type of sound I am after :D, Any help is awesome. And thanks for 2Khz correction tip, it has taken the in your face vocals away - good good relief :)

[@matsudakodo]

Regarding the high-frequency rolloff, doesn't the home entertainment mix created for streaming & disc compensate for the transition from theater to home?

[@wondergames6894]

First time with this app since yesterday, what I don't understand is: am I suppose to make changes in the curve editor trying to mimic the room correction results for each speaker?

[@rindershow212]

When is phil gonna show his home theater. That's all I wanna see!!!!

[@davethestalker]

How are we supposed to run Audyssey when using multiple subs on Y splitters? Such as 2 subs on Sub 1 and 3 subs on Sub 2? Set the volume for each individually or both (or all three) at the same time being careful that the bass is balanced on that particular line? The reason we do not like Reference is because it KILLS the high frequencies! Couple that with Cinema EQ on, I thought my tweeters were DEAD!

[@SoundUnitedTraining]

Hi Dave, I asked Jeff Clark and here is his response: "That is correct -- any subs on a single Y splitter should be level balanced BEFORE Audyssey calibration. Ideally they would also be equal in distance from the primary listening position. Finally, there might be benefit in some cases of those subwoofers sharing a y-cord being of the same make/model. Audyssey "Reference" is specifically a replacement for "Cinema EQ" or other forms of "theater compensation" and the two should never be used together. Furthermore MOST discs these days are remixed for home listening. Since these vary by studio, it's down to personal preference disc-to-disc as to whether "Reference" is appropriate. I would say it is likely not appropriate to most discs these days. Early DVDs often had theatrical mixes. That is what "Reference" was designed for." Then there were "THX" discs that had THX "Re-EQ" (Lucasfilm/THX's theater compensation) pre-applied. It was appropriate to use "Flat" for those discs. I'm still working out whether Reference is more appropriate to the new IMAX Enhanced content."

[@davethestalker]

@@SoundUnitedTraining Reference would be great if I still had my Def Tech towers. They were incredibly bright (front/tweeters) and caused listening fatigue after a half hour or so of music listening. I now have a 20yr old pair of Paradigm Monitor 90p v1. Unfortunately, I know they don’t match the rest of my Def Tech system. But, they are less harsh on the ears and Audyssey does a fair job of EQing. I’ll be running Audyssey again tomorrow when I don’t have to worry about family walking around upstairs.

[@rkumarblr1]

Great video and thoughtful coverage. Make it so much more clear on what goes on behind the scenes. Does the Marantz 8805 allow for the use case you setup on the demon ? where in the sound preset can be saved one for a measurement of individual listening position measurements and another for a wider listening position like family measurement? I do not see the speaker preset in the audio options but the remote does have smart presets. Not sure setting two different measurements one after the other and savings as smart preset 1 and 2 will actually save the EQ filters as well as in the cases a dual speaker selection option. If so that would work ?

[@stephenperthwa]

Hello, do you have access to or point me to a simple description or explanation about how to read and understand what the graphs actually mean on the Multeq Editing App from a novice’s point of view please. For example, is there a manual or video that explains what the after graphs mean if reading from right to left.

[@SoundUnitedTraining]

Hi Stephan, Sounds like a great topic for a new video, we will try to do a step-by-step walkthrough of the app similar to what we did with the MultEQ-X software. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3umloZvdqiKh5Ysi=4AOvimMFT2KYsUCA

[@stephenperthwa]

@@SoundUnitedTraining that would be fantastic. Its just that I look at the graphs and don’t really know if what I am looking at is good or bad, or just leave alone. I understand that the room and speaker layout is very important but I can’t really change much for my room. I don’t know anyone here in Perth Australia that can tell me what each graph means for each speaker where the problems if any are and what if anything I can do about it in more detail. Perhaps I can send you my graphs for your video for an example (only joking).

[@chrishunt9675]

The measuring of 2ft from the original position thing, why such a small area? I measure from the head on position of the receiver to different areas of the couch but 2ft doesn’t make it to my off axis listening area. So I probably get worse sound than everybody 😂

[@juanvenegas278]

Hi. After running the app, it gives me a value of 250 Hz for the subwoofer. Should I limit it to a new value, as I did with the other speakers with the MultEQ filter frequency range ?

[@jmmontegnies9311]

Hallo Philip. I have a question. I find the Audyssey app very nice but the only way it works for me is via a PC with an Android emulator as Bluestacks or Nox and to handle the computer directly from the PC (Windows 10). With an Android tablet or phone, it always crashes. I've contoled everything and fixed all possible "weaknesses" of my internet at house and the modem: everything is OK. Do you have a suggestion? A connection with cable is always better than WiFi. Why does Denon-Marantz not propose Audyssey for PC too?

[@juanmillaruelo7647]

The more convenience and flexibility the better for the user. You've just proven you can use the app from a PC (with emulation). Audyssey app should definitely have Windows and MacOS (with "dual" Intel/Apple silicon versions) to interact with the system through your computer if that is your main device.

[@juanmillaruelo7647]

How about more than two presets? Why not three or four? Shouldn't be too difficult to code.

[@nickfarrow8794]

hi im currently running a 5.1.4 set up with a dennon avr 4500 amp and I've ran the audssey app but am so confused about all the settings and how to adjust them ? its a minefield of info and I wondered if I send my calibration details to someone the would be kind enough to have a look and help me please

[@FOH3663]

The question as to what frequency cutoff point is correct for EQ'ing; the answer is within the minimum phase region... which occurs from the transition region downward. EQ'ing above the minimum phase region is an exercise in chasing your tail. Any EQ change made is only applicable and valid in one single point in space. Either way, EQ'ing above the room's transition is tricky business. Hell, small room acoustics is tricky business.

[@ronalcasid3844]

How does the average lay person determine cutoff frequency?

[@FOH3663]

@@ronalcasid3844 Depends on room dimensions... typical room sizes it's likely above 100hz, and below 300hz. It's best thought of as a region... whereas the behavior transitions from distinctly clear resonant behavior (big peaks/dips), toward an area whereby the resonances are so tightly packed they're indistinguishable.

[@johnsagraves14]

I have an 8500H. Why do I not have the 2 different presets as an option?

[@edlawrence268]

I have an Android Phone & and Apple iPad, can I pay $20 to download on one device & use the App on both my devices or would I have to pay $20 (2x) to download the App on Both of my devices?

[@rindershow212]

Pay one time that's it.

[@paulwary]

Does Audyssey itself make this app? Doesn't seem to have great reviews or very frequent updates for a reasonably expensive app.

[@davethestalker]

I REALLY wish you would fix the app to make it compatible with my $3000 AVR-x7200WA.

[@liamcusack5475]

Hi Guys, thanks again for a fantastic webinar. Phil, in general should the EQ in audyssey be set to reference or flat? Also would it not be better to have the mic with 50 feet of cabling as in general it is way to short. I would prefer to pay extra to have a cable I can use instead of not being able to use the audyssey mic. Sorry for being long winded.😊 Your input is much appreciated, thanks again 👍

[@TylerStout]

Honestly the cable length is pretty decent imo. If you did need more you could probably get a male to female extender cable to put between the mic and the avr.

[@liamcusack5475]

@@TylerStout Hi, Thanks for your reply but not everyone has their amp in the same room. I actually did get an extension cable on Amazon and it works great, but it is extra hassle and not everyone knows that you can do that.😊

[@rkris9]

can audyssey demonstrate each step in a test room and prove the results

[@BoyGenius-1]

Does the Audyssey app adjust for phase differences, and can this be adjusted?

[@SoundUnitedTraining]

If a wire is wired incorrectly it can't fix it but Audyssey measures phase. The system automatically correct minor phase issues via the time domain (delay). Note: Audyssey will somethings state that a speaker appears "out of phase" during setup due to the wiring of a speaker's internal crossover. If the speaker is wired correctly you can ignore this warning,

[@tomkohman4620]

I have Audyssey X32 in my Denon AVR 4520. I know, old stuff, but I can really say that the improvements it provides in clarity and imaging are amazing. My main concern is that it always seems stingy with the bass. I have to turn up the subwoofers to get a good level. Looks like the phone app can provide hours of fun experimenting to get a desirable bass curve.

[@davidcrandon2329]

@@tomkohman4620 This is the one thing that is making me upgrade from my old Denon which cannot use the app. I want more bass!

[@mutatedgenome]

Once the room correction file has been uploaded to the receiver in Preset 1, what do I need to check in the receiver Setup Menu to make sure it's gtg? Just make sure Speaker Preset 1 is selected in the receiver? Do I have to make sure MultEQ XT32 is turned on and set to a specific setting in the Audyssey menu (i.e. Flat vs Reference)?

[@rindershow212]

Once you send the final results to your receiver, it will be saved under whatever preset you chose. Audyssey will always be tuned on at this point and the new calibration will be under the" reference " option. It will never be sent to" flat " setting. The only way to know if it's gtg is if you go through the receiver menu and check on some changes that you made in the app. Like for instance Audyssey for some reason will always set front speakers to " large" or set the crossovers differently. So whatever changes you made in the app should show up in the menu of the receiver once you go through the settings in the receiver. Hope this helps.

[@DrAdd1999]

very informative thanks. i could not find where to switch presets. you showed us. that was great

[@SoundUnitedTraining]

So glad the video was helpful! If you ever want to attend a session live, you can register at www.soundunited.com/webinars

[@DanielNilssonSe]

Toggling midrange-dip for a speaker affects its target curve and hence EQ calculations, but if you change the detected crossover point (I don't want my mains to play down to 20, but Audyssey detects them as large..) - the target curve is NOT affected - Audssey will still try to achieve a roll-off based on its _detected_ crossover point instead of the one I changed to (in the case of my fronts, no rolloff - in the case of my surrounds, a too high rolloff). Why? And on the subject, why would it even try to achieve a roll-off - that's up to base management to provide based on crossover settings. Shouldn't Audyssey rather try to achieve flat (or whatever the target curve is changed to), down to maybe the XO frequency and maybe another half or whole octave? I.e. don't try do do what bass management already does, but also don't apply useless EQ way below XO point (speakers) or above 120Hz (subwoofer, LFE goes up to there regardless of XO frequency setting).

[@AR_ZACK91]

Is the s650h compatible for this app?

[@J.R.Hernandez73]

Great info video! How does Audyssey MultEq X32 differs from YPAO R.S.C. with 3d multi point precision EQ?

[@SoundUnitedTraining]

While we didn't do a direct comparison with YPAO, we do cover Audyssey MultiEQ X32 in detail in the web sessions below. Please check part 2 which covers MultiEQ app. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpWlhHeJdriIpM0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJDahGSYfMR5mNU

[@bonscott3291]

@@SoundUnitedTraining I just purchased a Marantz AV 7706. I ran audyssey and it put all 7 of my speaker levels to -12db. Ran it again same thing. Using XLR cables. Emotiva Amp. Was using Denon AVR with preout with rca cables. Should I leave all the levels at -12db?

[@BennyKsBandwidth]

@@bonscott3291 No, you can use use an spl meter after to set correct level to 75db for all. Running the eq is to set correct delay. Run your receiver at 0.0db and put the SPL meter facing up and make sure all speakers and subwoofer are set to 75db. Then you're done

[@kingsongokuu2224]

Hi I hope someone can help me with this My curves (green & red) look almost exactly the same Why won't it be like in the video where the red curve is very different ?

[@derekmaynard5619]

Possibly your speakers need upgraded or your room is to open.

[@oceanicsound2891]

is the audessy app available only for marantz recievers

[@paulgyro]

Select Marantz and Denon receivers, you'll notice a Denon was used in the video

[@fred215]

any plans for audyssey app supporting Marrantz sr7010?

[@oreon2007]

I don't think so because of the hardware limitation of the 7010 and that sucks. I have the same model & sold it. I'll be getting a compatible Marantz unit and get this app.

[@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS]

Why not ask him why they charging us after we bought an expensive receiver

[@justme...]

Better after calibrated with the app

[@kuttycrew]

Current rating on this app is 2.9, not very impressive. Price doesn’t seam to be the issue.

[@tazoriginal]

Why don’t you use a better microphone like other companies?

[@hj8607]

YOU are really missing the point of multiple testing positions. Audyssey is taking an average . PLUS many users ARE NOT interested in a BORING theatre arrangement BUT instead a comfortable 'Living area' experience . PLUS you can switch between 5 different ' sound translations' LIVE and select the optimum . There is a point where the 'pro' opinion becomes purely anal . (when someone 'believes 'they are being purely 'scientific' they have , in fact, become purely romantic . (objective looses out to subjective)

[@arsenalfan1776]

Mid range compensation is terrible.

[@bommareddybrijendrareddy9301]

No, it is not. Definitely not from non exotic speakers around. For instance, my KEF T205 speaker setup has that dip naturally seen in the green curve. Just my thoughts based on what I experienced with my KEFs.

[@josephfranzen5626]

Those after graphs are entirely far too enthusiastic.

[@rkris9]

👍

[@GunnyPhillips]

Sorry but Audyssey has really let it's customer base down compared to competing technologies such as DIRAC and ARC Genesis. Phil fails to mention that this app only works for newer Denon and Marantz products. Instead he incorrectly states that it works with any of their products found on your network. It's time for Marantz to abandon Audyssey if they want to retain high end customers.

[@FOH3663]

Agreed There was a time that Audyssey seemingly possessed more relevance and greater forward momentum. Perhaps they have something in the pipeline but it needs to be an order of magnitude better ... yielding a significant advancement. Exciting times for DSP, so bring it.

[@mischugo]

I'm sorry, but the app is a pain for all non-audio-tech freaks. you go through it step by step. Then you have a result with which you are not zufriden and do not know what to do. No real help that a normal customer understands right away. Extremely many videos on the net that are far too technical. I did not want to become a sound Ingenieur. I had briefly tried a NAD at home and Dirac. Well, that fit right away. For TV and film. Here I can partly everything only endures if I use the setting Multi Ch Stereo. And nothing has really been improved on the app. Error fixed? What? Everything about everything - weak. Sorry