SOUNESS vs JORDAN! 🤬 Graeme and Simon CLASH over Daniel Levy’s part in Tottenham's lack of trophies!

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Жыл бұрын

Tottenham Hotspur beat Bournemouth 2-3 on Saturday in the Premier League. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Graeme Souness discuss!
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@Themunkeymac
@Themunkeymac Жыл бұрын
Jim sits there buzzing away, dropping the odd extra bit of petrol in to keep it going. So funny.
@Oldgregg02
@Oldgregg02 Жыл бұрын
Taking his glasses on and off for added effect 😂
@MALEXI10
@MALEXI10 Жыл бұрын
😂 He loves it.
@shredder9536
@shredder9536 Жыл бұрын
Well put lol
@atourdeforce
@atourdeforce Жыл бұрын
His little smirks every now and again just before it's going to get good are legendary 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@hmu05366
@hmu05366 Жыл бұрын
Haha Jim is a legend man it’s good stuff
@kaypakaipa8559
@kaypakaipa8559 Жыл бұрын
“The Grim Reaper”😂😂 Simon hired 8 managers in 10years 😂,
@andytoon11
@andytoon11 Жыл бұрын
Tbf Simon didn't sack all 8 a few did leave for other clubs
@iangreen1719
@iangreen1719 Жыл бұрын
What's the time Simon?
@asapcharles_3555
@asapcharles_3555 Жыл бұрын
“You make Abramovich look like a saint”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Andrea-jm6xd
@Andrea-jm6xd Жыл бұрын
Deep down Graeme knows Paul Pobga is behind all this, somehow 😂
@hellalive8973
@hellalive8973 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@spek888
@spek888 Жыл бұрын
facts no cap 💯
@sibusisoenockcebekhulu9318
@sibusisoenockcebekhulu9318 Жыл бұрын
You guys will never let it go 😂😂
@mikebobbings9601
@mikebobbings9601 Жыл бұрын
Was he wrong about pogba though ?
@tino532
@tino532 Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@willmk4042
@willmk4042 Жыл бұрын
Keane has Richards Neville has Carra And Souness has Simon🤣
@liamwithers6208
@liamwithers6208 Жыл бұрын
I saw something different in this video 🤣
@lilbaz8732
@lilbaz8732 Жыл бұрын
Which makes it entertaining. Which is what they want.
@Elijah-qx3qn
@Elijah-qx3qn Жыл бұрын
More like Simon has Souness
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
Souness was laughing at Jordan and Jordan went red with anger. What did you see?
@jimc8609
@jimc8609 Жыл бұрын
Sounds wants to leap across the desk and have at Simon
@sibusisoenockcebekhulu9318
@sibusisoenockcebekhulu9318 Жыл бұрын
“don't be looking at him (pointing his finger..) for back up...” 😂😂😂
@bafanakaione9534
@bafanakaione9534 Жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣 White from then on was afraid of looking in Jordans direction and kept looking up. Divide and conquer💪😂
@christophermaginn5131
@christophermaginn5131 Жыл бұрын
@@bafanakaione9534 v5gtvg55f⅘tf55tgctgv5gtt⅚5f⅘5f fgv
@MDP112
@MDP112 Жыл бұрын
The joy in Jim’s face throughout this. He loves every minute of these arguments 😂
@monkeytennis8861
@monkeytennis8861 Жыл бұрын
He's the human incarnation of the Sun
@martinlaceyphoto
@martinlaceyphoto Жыл бұрын
@@monkeytennis8861 truth. Second rate, one trick hack.
@kmc7876
@kmc7876 Жыл бұрын
It's all to make idiots like u watch ..emotions gets humans every time
@djpaullawrence9993
@djpaullawrence9993 Жыл бұрын
And there are people that come in and get the club eliminated. Leave Levy alone. Liverpool won it after 40 years.
@djpaullawrence9993
@djpaullawrence9993 Жыл бұрын
It should not be hard to defend what you wrote. The problem with a manager wanting more is that, they blame the previous player they bring in on the chairman. And 2 not many chairman owns 25% percent of the club they are in charge of.
@donaldwavington108
@donaldwavington108 Жыл бұрын
I’m not a big Souness fan at all, but he’s got a point when he says one league cup in all that time is extremely poor
@hehatemefrisbee
@hehatemefrisbee Жыл бұрын
But everything else he says is based on nothing but his weird opinion
@donaldwavington108
@donaldwavington108 Жыл бұрын
@@hehatemefrisbee agreed!!! Calling Casemiro a ‘steady eddy’ was WILLDDD
@mintywebb
@mintywebb Жыл бұрын
@@hehatemefrisbee an opinion formed as a world class footballer and pretty successful manager, whereas Simon didn't play football and failed as a director at a football club.
@nathanking596
@nathanking596 Жыл бұрын
Simon and Greame is the best duo in football punditry. They wind each other up every single segment. One clip Greame looks like he wants to punch Simon and in this clip Simon gets triggered. I have a feeling Greame enjoys this more than Sky because he is naturally confrontational.
@virupakshawalla5734
@virupakshawalla5734 Жыл бұрын
Sourness wants to punch most people he sees.
@sibonisoduma5878
@sibonisoduma5878 Жыл бұрын
This is gold.
@richardlewis7498
@richardlewis7498 Жыл бұрын
yep both quite intelligent which makes it quite refreshing for talk sport
@firasmassadeh5131
@firasmassadeh5131 11 ай бұрын
​@@virupakshawalla5734only those who deserve it 😂😂😊
@virupakshawalla5734
@virupakshawalla5734 11 ай бұрын
@@firasmassadeh5131 he should start with the guy in 5he mirror then 🤣. Fekin yob. Rangers fan but yirs grannies stool could have won the trophies in Scotland with resources he had. (Not talking about a wooden backless seat either. ) signing Mo was only good thing he really did as thstcwas well overdue by a century or so.
@mauromatos3124
@mauromatos3124 Жыл бұрын
Souness is starting to make Gab Agbonlahor look like a genius.
@khumoetsilemonthe3004
@khumoetsilemonthe3004 Жыл бұрын
That's a scary prospect 🤣🤣🤣
@livewireredb.9953
@livewireredb.9953 Жыл бұрын
😂
@simonnewton1840
@simonnewton1840 Жыл бұрын
Gabi gabbles garbage! The most irritating man on the radio…..
@jftt42
@jftt42 Жыл бұрын
so you think daniel levy has done enough to help spurs reach their potential? nonsense.
@jonlcfc1
@jonlcfc1 Жыл бұрын
Gabby will never look like a genius regardless of any comparison. I could compare him to a flea, the flea would win a debate every time.
@tolulopeoduola6291
@tolulopeoduola6291 Жыл бұрын
Jim is the best part of these arguments. The way he just sits and watches both of them go at it with a smile on his face is gold!!!
@cullyx2913
@cullyx2913 Жыл бұрын
💯 😂
@wolfmancool
@wolfmancool Жыл бұрын
Souness: “How many managers have you had in ten years?” Jordan: “As many as the same number of jobs you’ve had”. 😂😂😂
@leedsunitedoldschool2837
@leedsunitedoldschool2837 Жыл бұрын
Quick 💥
@lifestyleschannel8508
@lifestyleschannel8508 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@mozi3051
@mozi3051 Жыл бұрын
You dont get it. This is the part 2 to an argument from afew weeks ago.
@leedsunitedoldschool2837
@leedsunitedoldschool2837 Жыл бұрын
@@mozi3051 is it?
@bulliboyz
@bulliboyz Жыл бұрын
Souness ruined him here. Jordan has had an easy ride for 3 years, and poor Jim is constantly licking his lips with tension
@BenDPB
@BenDPB Жыл бұрын
When Graham said "Dont be looking at him for backup" I couldn't stop laughing!
@tylerwilson6561
@tylerwilson6561 5 ай бұрын
Jim’s just a middleman really
@leithdavis5082
@leithdavis5082 Жыл бұрын
Graeme Souness: what a load of old waffle!! 🤣🤣🤣🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️💯💯 Priceless.
@alphamentality5802
@alphamentality5802 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 cracked up!
@leithdavis5082
@leithdavis5082 Жыл бұрын
Absolute gold bro🤣🤣
@davidplayle5674
@davidplayle5674 Жыл бұрын
As a Spurs fan myself, I think Tottenham have struggled in recent years simply down to one man Daniel Levy. Every club we have faced in recent years like Chelsea and Liverpool and Manchester City in Final’s have had quality on and off the pitch. They have had really good managers in the past..Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp, and Poch. They couldn’t win anything and that’s really saying that something isn’t working at the club and i blame the Hierarchy. I honestly think that if we get rich owners like Man City have things will change.
@dinodinosaur2930
@dinodinosaur2930 Жыл бұрын
⚽ Agree, When Levy does spend, he gets flops, Sissiko, Gino, Tanguy, Lucas, Reggy and Royal
@kmdreacts
@kmdreacts Жыл бұрын
That's the thing, a lot if our Spurs fans think the club/chairman/owner isn't rich.. They bought the club for less than 25m, it's now worth 2.3b, making Spurs the 9th richest club in world football... Go figure. Dark Lord Levy just doesn't want to spend to win the big trophies because that means sustaining/maintaining and supplementing it with cash flow, yet, he doesn't seem to grasp the fact that success only brings more money and more success. Hell, the fanbase even treat top 4 like a trophy now, the same way Levy does. But let's be honest, are we in it to compete or just participate and pray for luck?
@dinodinosaur2930
@dinodinosaur2930 Жыл бұрын
@@kmdreacts 🤑 Your right, it's been revenue and top 4 before winning trophy's... We needed a creative Midfielder ( Maddison ) in the Summer... I now read the 29 year old Atalanta midfielder we passed for about £20M, is the one we are back in for in January... He has future with us at 29, has no pace, plays in Italy and you want him to make a impact and hit the ground running... Gamble and cheap option.
@FurioussBear
@FurioussBear Жыл бұрын
Even Souness broke character minute 5 🤣🤣
@footballmattersfc4690
@footballmattersfc4690 Жыл бұрын
Graeme 'I go back to it' Souness makes stuff up as he goes along on this show I come here every Monday expecting a good laugh. 😃
@mg3554
@mg3554 Жыл бұрын
I'm watching and waiting for the complete and utter breakdown from Souness live on Air. It's 100% coming.
@Jim-so3to
@Jim-so3to Жыл бұрын
He has to talk next to a failure of a club owner talking about how clubs should be run, the level of irony is off the charts! I would just sit there and laugh my head off!
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
@@mg3554 Souness trashed Jordan here. What were you watching?
@mg3554
@mg3554 Жыл бұрын
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot did you misread my comment or something?
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
@@mg3554 Nope. Did you misread mine?
@AuthenticMentalHealth
@AuthenticMentalHealth Жыл бұрын
‘What a load of old waffle’ The most ENGLISH thing ever said😂
@tikemyson5627
@tikemyson5627 Жыл бұрын
and hes scottish lol
@offkeychris123
@offkeychris123 Жыл бұрын
He meant BRITTISH
@chidimadu2649
@chidimadu2649 Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@hmu05366
@hmu05366 Жыл бұрын
Scottish mate
@Puppy-ew4be
@Puppy-ew4be Жыл бұрын
🙄
@nickchemist723
@nickchemist723 Жыл бұрын
Levy is a business man . Clearly prefers profits over trophies
@Dream-rk4te
@Dream-rk4te Жыл бұрын
Credit where it's due. Much more likely for trophies to follow a profitable club in the long run. The fact that they were included in the draft of teams of the Super League is a statement of where the Tottenham stand as a club and business today.
@steaustin8789
@steaustin8789 Жыл бұрын
@@Dream-rk4te nah wha ye on about ye dafty
@jamesbong4928
@jamesbong4928 Жыл бұрын
That would be the owner, surely
@benedictharrison2819
@benedictharrison2819 Жыл бұрын
it depends on how you think fo Spurs. Most of us fans who support proper titans of the English game see Spurs in the same category as Everton. They're a big club but not on the same level as Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Arsenal and even City now. If you think Spurs are a huge club then I'd imagine you would be disappointed with Levy, yes he's balanced the books and allowed Spurs to continue growing but he's never shown much ambition for titles. If you think Spurs are on the level of Everton and Leicester (they've won less than both in the premier league era) like I do, then Levy has done an excellent job of keeping spurs in and around the big boys consistently
@GEricG
@GEricG Жыл бұрын
@@benedictharrison2819 I'm sure that he's ambitious for the title and I do think that the season when Harry Redknapp was going for the title, there should have been a better investment in the January window. The season when Leicester won the title was also disappointing but Leicester were ruthlessly efficient with their system. Arsenal had Wenger and the foundations for his reign were in place before Levy took over. City and Chelsea, Spurs can't compete with that but in fairness, with the money coming into the club now from the stadium, there is less excuse not to invest properly. Levy has stood back from signings so I can't really see where Souness is coming from.
@nancyharless5331
@nancyharless5331 Жыл бұрын
The stories Graeme has to tell before he gets to any sort of point lol
@christophercheetham4462
@christophercheetham4462 Жыл бұрын
😂😂Souness and his saga
@theboomletgroup8436
@theboomletgroup8436 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@mosbosa1625
@mosbosa1625 Жыл бұрын
“I played the game, im telling you”
@fernyluna34
@fernyluna34 Жыл бұрын
I love how Jim is just having the time of his life 🤣🤣
@7th.trumpet
@7th.trumpet Жыл бұрын
Jim throws an 'argument grenade' into the mix, then sits back and laughs at them arguing 🤣
@garinoakley
@garinoakley Жыл бұрын
Stirs the pop 🤣 love it
@G3n3r4t0r1111
@G3n3r4t0r1111 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@footballmattersfc4690
@footballmattersfc4690 Жыл бұрын
Jim just throwing petrol on the fire every few minutes is classic Jim White 🔥⛽👌
@ruddock7
@ruddock7 Жыл бұрын
I love how Sounonsense always says Simon interrupts him but he constantly does it to Simon!!
@GeordieDreadTV
@GeordieDreadTV Жыл бұрын
So annoying
@nafiswazed8722
@nafiswazed8722 Жыл бұрын
Souness did not do this on Sky Sports as often. Simon interrupts him in talksport cause that's his style so when in Rome. At least it makes it more interesting.
@darrenlee9237
@darrenlee9237 Жыл бұрын
Revenge is sweet!
@lfcspectre4335
@lfcspectre4335 Жыл бұрын
Summary of this video: Simon is defending a club owner corner & Graeme is defending a manager corner
@sammybeck4855
@sammybeck4855 Жыл бұрын
LFC Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber
@jamesbong4928
@jamesbong4928 Жыл бұрын
And it's never been any different.
@hmu05366
@hmu05366 Жыл бұрын
Boring comment
@leedsunitedoldschool2837
@leedsunitedoldschool2837 Жыл бұрын
Gotta enjoy Souness. Starting to getting warm in talksport 💥 "Its not a silly point" 🤩
@mylojohnsyn2322
@mylojohnsyn2322 Жыл бұрын
Simon the grim reaper 😂😂
@salsa8936
@salsa8936 Жыл бұрын
8 managers in 10 years is actually insane😭😂
@orourkedafootball
@orourkedafootball Жыл бұрын
It's not. It's normal.
@ajelliott9923
@ajelliott9923 Жыл бұрын
its not now, at the time Jordan obviously wanted prem football when its ur £ i can understand impatience
@stephenmcguire1935
@stephenmcguire1935 Жыл бұрын
Who's he on about Chelsea lol??
@danofficial117
@danofficial117 Жыл бұрын
“What a load of old waffle” 😂😂
@calum1987
@calum1987 Жыл бұрын
Souness: "I write a column for the Daily Mail" Well that's all his credibility down the toilet then!!
@calum1987
@calum1987 Жыл бұрын
@@adamabdulrahman2930 I can have both. I’ve got my own views but I also just happen to agree with a lot of Simons views. I also think he’s quite fair and objective in his praise and in his criticisms, asks challenging questions and find his perspective as a former club owner interesting and unique amongst other pundits who are overwhelmingly former players who bring with them certain prejudices and (as seen recently with various pundits responses to the Ronaldo incident and Gerrard’s sacking) favouritism. And that is my considered response because, as you said, I’m an adult!
@calum1987
@calum1987 Жыл бұрын
@@adamabdulrahman2930 that’s where you’re wrong, because I don’t give a crap about boxing! Don’t care if it’s Fury, Hearn, Joshua or any of them. They’re all a bunch of overpaid, idiot meatheads as far as I’m concerned! Also, on matters relating to playing football I agree, players are better qualified (I happen to think that Danny Murphy is excellent on TalkSport). But on the finances and management side of things I’m more interested in what a former owner (even if things didn’t work out for them) has to say because they have experience in that field. One more thing, why you so mad bro?? Not got enough love in your life or something?
@lfcspectre4335
@lfcspectre4335 Жыл бұрын
Graeme to Jimbo - Don't be looking at him for back up! 😂
@sammybeck4855
@sammybeck4855 Жыл бұрын
Saint Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber
@Robertolg75
@Robertolg75 Жыл бұрын
When gram Souness was announced to be on talkRUBBISH this is exactly what we were hoping for a great clash between the two of them 🍿
@blumoonm14
@blumoonm14 Жыл бұрын
Graeme getting bodied by Simon 🤦🏿‍♂️
@kieran7849
@kieran7849 Жыл бұрын
How when he has a point only big 6 team that never win anything
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
That didn't happen
@steaustin8789
@steaustin8789 Жыл бұрын
You'd like to be under Simon's body
@Scott1433
@Scott1433 Жыл бұрын
I must have listened to a different conversation
@andykyriakides2144
@andykyriakides2144 Жыл бұрын
Simon Jordan , when did Levy give Conte £200 mil ?? Do you know something we don't ?? And FYI Spurs have won 6 FA cups in 60 years , 8 in total actually held the record for a while , first team to achieve the double , they've also won 1 cup winners cup ( first British team to win a trophy in Europe ) 4 LC , and 2 EUFA cups ( only English team to achieve that ) during that period . Does that qualify them as a big club ?? I would argue that it was the over prudent tenure of your buddy Daniel Levy that has held the club back for the last 2 decades , that allowed other clubs to overtake THFC , in trophy winning terms , petro dollar clubs like Chelsea , City and now Newcastle , to add to the perrenial giants United , Liverpool and Arsenal .
@joelstevens6792
@joelstevens6792 Жыл бұрын
yep these so called experts that don't seem to know anything. football as a competitive and fair playing field died the second abramovich came in. prior to that in terms of titles spurs were right up there.... Levy and Lewis have been tight as anything and have been building the business of THFC with little consideration of winning anything... when it gets bad they sack a manager to deflect the true source of the problem. Tottenham have not signed a world class proven player since kinsman.
@Nikz0091
@Nikz0091 Жыл бұрын
Graeme’s laugh at 8 managers
@nibinvgeorge19
@nibinvgeorge19 Жыл бұрын
4:18 - Jim getting washed 😄😄
@bluesEvanskro
@bluesEvanskro Жыл бұрын
Man said don’t be looking at him 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@markdurham7939
@markdurham7939 Жыл бұрын
So glad Souness is on talksport.
@Kehua800
@Kehua800 Жыл бұрын
Graeme got Simon on how many mangers he went through.
@ryanmacfarland6893
@ryanmacfarland6893 Жыл бұрын
When conte said spence is a club signing that says it all. The day Lewis and levy go will be a great day for this club and us fans
@jacobturner8965
@jacobturner8965 Жыл бұрын
Lmao love how Souness exposed that he doesn't write his own columns 🤡
@sibusisoenockcebekhulu9318
@sibusisoenockcebekhulu9318 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I've noticed
@sam.horgan35horgan33
@sam.horgan35horgan33 Жыл бұрын
I was going to post the same thing.
@linvalwalker2337
@linvalwalker2337 Жыл бұрын
You clearly didn't listen... He said he doesn't write the headlines for his column you 🤡
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
That's how all football columns work. The ex pro speaks to a journalist who writes the article based around their ideas
@jonlcfc1
@jonlcfc1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah...that's kind of how the columns work mate. Chat with a journalist who then writes the article.
@PharmacyAve
@PharmacyAve Жыл бұрын
Souness is a salty ex manager - Simon Jordan
@stevephantom.
@stevephantom. Жыл бұрын
Best show of the week by far. Fantastic! Amazing gentleman.!👍
@glendunne7011
@glendunne7011 Жыл бұрын
How souness gets paid for his dribble is beyond me
@dirtyace1668
@dirtyace1668 Жыл бұрын
Well, it is talksport.
@justme-hh4vp
@justme-hh4vp Жыл бұрын
@@dirtyace1668 should be called talksh*te
@chrisb4474
@chrisb4474 Жыл бұрын
I see what Souness is saying but he’s articulating himself so poorly!!!
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
@@chrisb4474 "he's articulating himself so poorly" Amazing. Lol
@wheretheresawilltheresaway7752
@wheretheresawilltheresaway7752 Жыл бұрын
drivel
@2talljoey
@2talljoey Жыл бұрын
The 21 years before levy, spurs won 3 fa cups, 1 Europa league, 1 league cup and 2 charity shields. They finished in the top 4 5 times in those 21 years (1980-2001).
@dalegrant9282
@dalegrant9282 Жыл бұрын
That gets forgotten because during that same time Arsenal was the best team / United
@ekowhoward5530
@ekowhoward5530 Жыл бұрын
1 title since 1960 is shocking and 2 titles the whole life of Spurs is more shocking
@sib1930
@sib1930 10 ай бұрын
@@dalegrant9282 No Liverpool was (1980-1990)
@tumimotsaba6535
@tumimotsaba6535 Жыл бұрын
Some good points all around. Love the chats and the banter (mild respect). Big ups talksport
@matthewwrudd1490
@matthewwrudd1490 Жыл бұрын
Correction mr Jordon AFC 7 fa cups 2 league titles NOT A COUPLE OF fa cups … and we were shite for a good proportion of that 😂
@dnstone1127
@dnstone1127 Жыл бұрын
Spurs : 8 FA Cups, which was a record when they won the last one in 1991.
@KP56SS
@KP56SS Жыл бұрын
Arsenal 14 is the record now.. souness is right.
@dnstone1127
@dnstone1127 Жыл бұрын
@@KP56SS FA Cups were more prestigious back then, even Arsenal fans didn't rate winning recent FA Cups much.
@KP56SS
@KP56SS Жыл бұрын
@@dnstone1127 poppycock
@MMLs27
@MMLs27 Жыл бұрын
Simon “I Am The Power” Jordan
@callumbradke7194
@callumbradke7194 Жыл бұрын
Emperor Palpatine vibes
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
"MY players" Jordan
@djdannyd2060
@djdannyd2060 Жыл бұрын
This is better than anything on terrestrial TV 😂
@MMAoracle
@MMAoracle Жыл бұрын
These discussions are great entertainment. Hope they keep up the spirit.
@waynex123
@waynex123 Жыл бұрын
Love the banter between these two.
@jacklegros6614
@jacklegros6614 Жыл бұрын
Levy spent 200 million ón backing conte?! Look at thd awful purchases he's sanctioned under his tenure... Spending is one thing but buying quality players is another. Levy looks at bargains and opportunities in the market but never with the thought of building a winning team!!
@Boxinghotspur57
@Boxinghotspur57 Жыл бұрын
Normally agree with Simon on most things but Daniel levy is a bad owner man. He took over the joint top fa cup holders at the time. Since his regime, 4 teams have over taken us
@rhowell1978
@rhowell1978 Жыл бұрын
Daniel Levy isn’t the majority owner, Joe Lewis is and both have invested money into club, whilst Spurs probably have the best stadium in Europe and are currently still keeping up with the rest of the big 7. Under their ownership Spurs have made it to a UCL Final, financially that was a huge win and an FA Cup win is peanuts by comparison.
@Boxinghotspur57
@Boxinghotspur57 Жыл бұрын
@@rhowell1978 he’s ran the football sides of this like a drunk man pal. His buy cheap punts with blind hope that they are gonna become world beaters is so outdated. It ends up costing the club more money long term having to constantly buy more of these sort of players to replace the previous ones who were not good enough. He got ridiculously lucky that Harry Kane became an elite player and he had a good young manager in poch that was able to get a team of young underpaid players to perform. Funny how when poch goes to psg and has to deal with serious big boys he’s out of his depth. Cups mean more to proper football people than some ucl games bro
@bakergovender3291
@bakergovender3291 Жыл бұрын
Levy is one of the best Chairperson Under his watch the club as not been under any controversy and run like a business
@Subho1981
@Subho1981 Жыл бұрын
So DL is not at all responsible?? Then when will he be hold responsible Mr.Jordan??
@howlbeast
@howlbeast Жыл бұрын
4:20 “don’t be looking at him for backup” - Sounness
@jacklane3679
@jacklane3679 Жыл бұрын
I think Souness is just writing the column for the pay cheque and its not a particularly well informed opinion. The director of football, Fabio Paratici, is managing the transfers. Conte and Levy are essentially advising him and/or setting targets. That's why he's going out and buying a mix of Conte style transfers with more experienced players for results now and also going to the market for younger prospects which would both fit Conte's system and align with Levy's transfer policy. People give spurs and Levy a hard time, but realistically we've been competing with teams at the peak of their powers and it's not strange that we've only won a single trophy in that 21 year period. Simon is talking absolute sense! To win anything in the 2000s they had to beat Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea at their peaks. In the 2010s City used the unfathomable wealth of their owners to hit their peak and then Liverpool became a massive force as well. Up until after the Bale/Modric transfers to Madrid and Kane arrived, Spurs also had their best players taken from them whenever anyone stood out as well. It's not at all surprising that only a few other clubs have managed to get a trophy or two in those eras. If anything it's surprising that Spurs' trophy came in 2008, rather than 2015-2017 when we really hit a peak and other teams were in slight transitional phases. Conte has already shown he can over achieve with Tottenham. The club has already backed him and are desperate to keep him. Maybe some fans aren't enjoying the football right now, but most understand that until we get players with more ability in certain positions we will rely on being organised to get some results.
@Ad-wu8te
@Ad-wu8te Жыл бұрын
If Simon is going by this argument that Tottenham consistently underspend in comparison to the top 6, then why does he never give Poch credit for what he did at Tottenham, bearing in mind there was a one year period where spurs didn’t sign a single player while he was manager
@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx
@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx Жыл бұрын
Because poch lost it to Leicester not city united or Chelsea
@Ad-wu8te
@Ad-wu8te Жыл бұрын
@@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx yes but so did Arsenal, and I’m an arsenal fan. But Tottenham weren’t that type of club before Poch. He built that team, under a different manager at that time in their history, they wouldn’t even have come close to Leicester that year.
@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx
@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx Жыл бұрын
@@Ad-wu8te the season before poch joined they spent 120m on signings he already had a quality team of young players He had Kyle walker vertonghen Harry kane dembele Ericcson loris as soon as he walked in the door. He did improve them yeah but let's not act like he built from the ground up he had a real solid base to work from. If he had lost the league to any of the other big teams I'd get it but he didn't. I get that poch did well but let's not act like he wasn't walking into a great squad of players there.
@Ad-wu8te
@Ad-wu8te Жыл бұрын
@@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx And I’d agree but Tottenham weren’t a regular top 4 club, in fact the season before he joined, they finished 6th. At the time he joined, the other top 5 teams had better players, and over the time he was manager there, spent more than him. So considering all that, him making them a regular top 4 team, I’d say he probably overachieved.
@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx
@xxxdannyXMurphyxxx Жыл бұрын
@@Ad-wu8te thats a fair point I suppose, the only time I've ever really been critical of poch was that Leicester was the ones to beat them that season but I can see your point.
@man.q9035
@man.q9035 Жыл бұрын
Graeme Souness wins this round in my view, Simon defending Levy.
@Phoox
@Phoox Жыл бұрын
So what we learned is Graeme Souness doesn't actually write his own column
@sulaak
@sulaak Жыл бұрын
Headlines are always written by the editors.
@bendynotydneb
@bendynotydneb Жыл бұрын
The fundamental issue with Spur's transfer policy is Levy. That's not for a lack of investment, it comes down to the fact that Levy has too much control of who we buy and how we buy. Djed Spence being a great example of a player that Conté never asked for but Levy tries to drive this philosophy of youth that has never worked out. How many young kids have we bought, that have shown massive potential, and what do we do? We condemn them to the training ground and when their form withers to the size of a dried grape, Levy sells them! The mismanagement of players at Spurs is fundamentally why we struggled to compete and evolve. Our only success in the transfer window has been from buying ready-made players not nurturing talent. Chelsea, City, United, Liverpool, all have incredible youth development, incredible academies. That's why their successful.
@patrickbourne1961
@patrickbourne1961 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely Correct , As Long Levy / Enic Are At The Club We Will Not Achieve Anything The Cracks Are Already Appearing Both Levy And Conte Have Different Ideologies On Transfers , Levy’s Record In Transfers Is Appalling Wasting Money On The Likes Of Ndombele , Lamela , Jansen , Nkoudou , Sanchez , Aurier , N’jie , Stambouli , Capoue , Chiriches , Chadli , Pavlaychenko , Bostock , Emerson , Moura , They Are The Ones I Can Remember There is many more To Mention He Should Be Getting Players Who Are Premiership Ready Or Ready For The Next Step Up ( Trossard ; Eze ; Maddison ; Neves Ward-Prowse ; Tielemans ; Zaha ; Get Marcus Edwards Back , Get Players from Italy that conte knows ( bastoni , chiesa , Milinkovic-Savic , barella , osimhen ) gvardiol from RB Leipzig , Jonathan David from Lile these players are first choice not the fifth , sixth , Seventh choice bargain basement rubbish levy is placing upon every manager he has employed , time to change or time’s up for levy / Enic if conte walks
@baitkin5546
@baitkin5546 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to them changing the Monday guest next season.
@davidg7643
@davidg7643 Жыл бұрын
Souness rumbled that he doesn’t write his own articles..,.
@omabdulgani
@omabdulgani Жыл бұрын
Simon trolling Graeme is the best thing since Jose was trolling the Premier League.
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
Souness wiped the floor with Jordan here. His face was beetroot by the end of the video
@peep5118
@peep5118 Жыл бұрын
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot ??? he didnt. he had no argument at all. its embarrassing
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
@@peep5118 Spurs should have won more than one minor trophy under Levy. And Jordan went through 8 managers in ten years. And Jordan went visibly red with anger when Souness pointed this out. You're welcome...
@peep5118
@peep5118 Жыл бұрын
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot no he didn’t answer for his column comments except by saying he didn’t even write it! 😭 just repeating that doesn’t make him right.
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
@@peep5118 He wiped the floor with Jordan here. Jordan was visibly raging and Souness was laughing at Jordan throughout. Sorry the reality doesn't match your fantasy narrative
@edwindsouza8816
@edwindsouza8816 Жыл бұрын
Simon Jordan seems to have forgotten Arsenal have won the PL twice since Levy has been at Totenham's helm, as well as Leicester's title-winning season of 6 years ago.
@seeuguys
@seeuguys Жыл бұрын
That stadium wasn't built for spurs
@bobofett3966
@bobofett3966 Жыл бұрын
Simon mentions City Chelsea and UTD but what about Leicester they did it with hardly any spend and have also won the FACup since
@bigsamkay
@bigsamkay Жыл бұрын
Their League Cup is their version of it I guess..
@KP56SS
@KP56SS Жыл бұрын
Not to mention Arsenal ffs 2 titles and 7 fa cups 😂
@michaelh5593
@michaelh5593 Жыл бұрын
Just a little correction Simon, Arsenal have one the Premier league 3 times not 2.
@tomfletcher7593
@tomfletcher7593 Жыл бұрын
Jim just keeps serving up and these guys take the bait everytime. ❤️ it. 🎣
@dpwright1885
@dpwright1885 Жыл бұрын
Best show on radio. Loved the banter today
@lfcspectre4335
@lfcspectre4335 Жыл бұрын
The Jordanite Army = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts 💪😉👍
@sammybeck4855
@sammybeck4855 Жыл бұрын
LFC Spectre = Top Jordanite Proper Clobber
@pizzagateisreal
@pizzagateisreal Жыл бұрын
Rise up!
@davidgreenwood5241
@davidgreenwood5241 Жыл бұрын
It’s the Simon and graham show folks
@robdatta8767
@robdatta8767 Жыл бұрын
souness asked a great question, btw.. it is mostly joe lewis' money, anyway... and managers like even mourinho have been let go for far less.. so why is levy still in the job?!
@williamflint6535
@williamflint6535 Жыл бұрын
Jordan ect are brilliant but jim white is pure class
@kmdreacts
@kmdreacts Жыл бұрын
Where was Souness' lie?? I've been a Spurs fan since 96, and I've been calling for Levy's head since he Infamously disrespected Harry Redknapp and our clubs ambitions during the January window when he gave him always injured Saha and Soon to be relegated with Blackburn Ryan Nelson when he asked for Aguero/Tevez, and Gary Cahill. His ambitions as a chairman is to Just get top 4. Never to win trophies or compete and his years of poor transfer activities only proves it further. Poch exceeded expectations every time, we finish 2nd behind Chelsea, and the club decide to go on a self imposed transfer ban for 500+ days and then, when we do finally buy someone, we buy Ndombele, even after all of the negativity surrounding him in the French league. So, he doesn't back Poch after pulling rabbits out of the hat, sacks him once top 4 was looking in doubt, hires a class manager in Mourinho, doesn't back him and then, sacks him 6 days before a final he got us to because winning the trophy means resting players for prem games that could Also cost us top 4.. nope, sorry. Goodbye. Spends over 2 months trying to hire someone, anyone as our manager but at this point, managers are very much aware how shady Levy is and turn it down, including Conte, stating the club and chairman showed little ambition to wanting trophies. Hires Nuno, who Should've never been there in the first place, sackd him less than half a year later because after a certain loss at home, the crowd had finally had enough and called out his name, something that has Never happened before. He runs back to Conte, tail between his legs, tells Conte all kinds of lies in order to get him to sign so the Spurs fans can be lulled back into a sense of moving forward, but yet again, another useless transfer window reveals Levy will Not be backing Conte the same way he didn't back Mourinho or Poch before. Not buying Anyone for 500+ days after surging up the table the way we did, while having the team we had at the time was a death sentence for the club and allowed Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal to finally catch up and overtake us. Simon Jordan and Dark Lord Levy clearly sit down and have long chats together on how to F up a football club, and no one will Ever convince me that Levy has the football clubs best interest on the pitch at heart.
@lifeson90
@lifeson90 Жыл бұрын
i love this monday crack on with Jim graeme and Simon, nothing like it anywhere else
@UncleRuckus_96
@UncleRuckus_96 Жыл бұрын
Simon is still undefeated and undisputed at talk sport 🤣
@environm3ntalist549
@environm3ntalist549 Жыл бұрын
Nah, he’s been defeated a couple times
@stephenalex4345
@stephenalex4345 Жыл бұрын
@@environm3ntalist549 by whom?
@environm3ntalist549
@environm3ntalist549 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenalex4345 Dale Vince was the first name that comes to mind
@christophercheetham4462
@christophercheetham4462 Жыл бұрын
That has got nothing to do with the price of cheese, classic Simon.
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
Classically inane deflection
@sammybeck4855
@sammybeck4855 Жыл бұрын
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot Rent free
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
@@sammybeck4855 I am inside your head by the looks of things. Please continue...
@mrkaosboxinguk1054
@mrkaosboxinguk1054 Жыл бұрын
Arsenal Can’t keep up but won 6fa cups and 2 leagues in Last 20 odd years why couldn’t spurs do that then Simon? What a Wally 🙄
@matthewwalker5430
@matthewwalker5430 Жыл бұрын
People forget just where Spurs were when Sugar and then Levy took over. Spurs were a Premier League club within hours of bankruptcy - that's 1 thing when you're competing in the lower leagues and even then isa hard enough to come back from. Sugar, and particularly Levy, helped stabilise the club, balance the books so that Spurs simply continued to exist, let alone win trophies, and then slowly but surely pushed us back up the Premier League. They may not have won silverware but nobody can argue Spurs have not just improved steadily under Levy's stewardship but improved with consistency. 20 years ago, when Levy arrived, a good season at Spurs was to finish around 10th and a bad season would have been relegation. Nowadays Spurs aren't even close to 10th - I think a bad season is 7th, a terrible season is like 8th. I don't think people really remember just how unachievable that would've felt for Spurs 20 years ago. Spurs first ever qualification for the Champion's League came in 2010 and, since then, they've qualified another SIX times. I just do not understand the Levy criticism. He's not on the pitch. His job is to provide a stability and Spurs are one of the most stable clubs off the pitch - even when they have a wobble they're not dropping down the league. However, that last little push to get over the line for silverware SURELY comes from thew management and the actual players. Levy has brought 1 of the best managers in the world to the club - still people whinge. He went out and spent early this summer, a proper decent wedge too, and at the time everyone was cooing about Spurs. It hasn't quite clicked yet ... let's all blame Levy. What? Hindsight must be wonderful
@jasonlomakin6722
@jasonlomakin6722 Жыл бұрын
Levy is also the Chairman whose guided Spurs into Europe 16 times in a row, Second and third in the League, Champions League Final and built a state of the art Stadium and Training ground facility. Spurs's average position since Enic took over is fourth, even though they have been the sixth biggest club. So all in all, Daniel Levy is a world class chairman and Graham Souness is a bang average pundit.
@KOA0693
@KOA0693 Жыл бұрын
Warra trophy for Spursy
@-The-Darkside
@-The-Darkside Жыл бұрын
2nd, 3rd in the league (the latter being 3rd in a two horse race), 16 times in Europe which got them?? nothing. NO TROPHIES Built a great stadium and that is it. How much has Klopp spent, he got a bunch of champions league finals, one of which he won, won the premier league, was battling for 4 trophies. Levy has wasted hundreds of millions sacking managers.
@harts2___
@harts2___ Жыл бұрын
Levy a world class chairman lol
@2talljoey
@2talljoey Жыл бұрын
In the 90’s spurs finished in the top 6 once yet won more trophies in 10 years as a mid table club than levy has in 22 years as a top 6 club. Daniel levy isn’t the chairman of a football team, he’s the chairman of a business that has to make profit. Winning trophies is a risk that could damage the profit margins.
@finlayarnold5113
@finlayarnold5113 Жыл бұрын
95% of spurs fan base hate levy, very good business man but doesn’t care about winning. Before levy statistically we won 2 trophies a decade, with him we win .25 a decade and it’s the worst trophy. Not backing poch, sacking countless managers instead of getting rid of the deadwood. Most expensive st in europe, hates the fans, not allowed singing section. Levy controls transfers on the whole
@matskf
@matskf Жыл бұрын
Imagine if this show had hosts that could actually deliver modern knowledge, insights and analysis. And if they cared more about the quality of the conversations than the protection of their egos.
@lilbaz8732
@lilbaz8732 Жыл бұрын
It's media, it's about entertainment.
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
Why do you watch it if it's not to your tastes? Literally thousands of alternative "modern" channels to watch if that's what you like
@matskf
@matskf Жыл бұрын
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot Are you a spokeperson for TalkSport, Souness or Jordan by any chance? I watch it sometimes because this is public media. These guys talk nonsense a lot of the time although sometimes they have decent points. However their egos often has centre stage.
@matskf
@matskf Жыл бұрын
@@lilbaz8732 Should all media be about entertaintment. This is also an educational forum.
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
@@matskf What does that even mean? I'm a spokesperson for a radio station because I posted a reply to someone else's comment? Lol
@Vrayanderson6018
@Vrayanderson6018 Жыл бұрын
If ever their was a start to an “English man an Irish man and a Scott” this is it
@TangoMerchant
@TangoMerchant Жыл бұрын
Well, an Englishman and two Scotsmen...
@user-vg6df2hi8n
@user-vg6df2hi8n Жыл бұрын
Graeme is more of a 'lets have a chinwag' type of guy - Simon is a very aggressive 'lets spar until I get the better of you' type of guy.
@HasAfzal
@HasAfzal Жыл бұрын
I’m a Spurs fan and I agree with both Graeme and Simon 1 trophy in 21 years isn’t good enough I will give ENIC & Levy credit for what they’ve done. They’ve turned us from a league cup team to a proper European power house. The stadium is a game changer along with how big the club is now around the world. We will never be able to compete with Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd or even Newcastle but the stadium allows us to invest and spend. Levy said the stadium will allow us to spend more and we backed Conte this summer Biggest mistake Levy & ENIC made was not investing in the squad under Poch. Poch punched well above his weight and turned us into an absolute rampant team, we played brilliant football and had such a young squad. ENIC & Levy know they have to spend now otherwise Conte will walk. He’ll stay, he isn’t the type of manager to say he’s happy then suddenly back out. Conte is constantly saying we need time and patience and 2-3 windows. That clearly hints to ENIC & Levy spending money and backing him Once the stadium naming rights deal goes through that’ll be even more money to spend
@ekowhoward5530
@ekowhoward5530 Жыл бұрын
You mean European power house? 21yrs 1 league Cup only? 60yrs last time Spurs won title? 2 titles their whole life? Shocking.
@HecticGlenn
@HecticGlenn Жыл бұрын
@@ekowhoward5530 You have to put it in context of the crap situation we've been in for the past 21 years - the squads and managers we used to have were terrible. Now we've got a proper team, manager and stadium (they are hard to watch at the moment admittedly). I would have loved to have won more but the growth and improvement i've seen in my lfetime has only be upwards across those 21 years - we've been run really well. All of Poch's work built the foundations for the stadium rebuild which I think was a really clever investment that will pay off over the long term. I believe Conte will build a good team over the next 2-3 windows so we get closer to the state-funded clubs. I am quite tired of people summarising success just by cups. I'm sad they haven't come, it would have been nice for Poch especially, but we have pulled ourselves up to a good place.
@djvybzkartel
@djvybzkartel Жыл бұрын
"The Grim Reaper!" 😂😂😂
@davidchoi5
@davidchoi5 Жыл бұрын
These three are the best on talksports 😂
@seanmckenna7891
@seanmckenna7891 Жыл бұрын
Souness is outmatched in every conversation he's ever had
@linvalwalker2337
@linvalwalker2337 Жыл бұрын
How though??? He made the point one trophy in 21 years isn't good enough and he suspects Levy won't back Conte which is also a fair point. Furthermore, Simon Jordan is chatting 💩 stating the only reason Spurs haven't won more is because they can't match City, Chelsea and Utds spending power... So how come Leicester won the Premier league then? 🍩
@jalberto428
@jalberto428 Жыл бұрын
Apart from Simon is a failed bitter owner??
@sammybeck4855
@sammybeck4855 Жыл бұрын
@@jalberto428 Doubt he's bitter when he's still got millions in the bank
@jhpfdijtuiweruot
@jhpfdijtuiweruot Жыл бұрын
He ripped Jordan here. And has around three dozen major trophies more than him at the end of the day. Bizarre that so many men cry about every word he says
@jimtheyid
@jimtheyid Жыл бұрын
Levy is fully to blame in my opinion. Under enic we will achieve nothing
@patrickoriordan1757
@patrickoriordan1757 Жыл бұрын
Managers don’t have a say who signs for Tottenham, they might get asked what they like. If your unsure just look at the spence purchase
@Mi-1990
@Mi-1990 Жыл бұрын
Bravo Grahame!! Bang on until ENIC and levy are ousted nothing will change. Mourihino wanted skriniar got Rodon. Conte wanted hakimi got Spence. It's profit over trophies!
@jacklowes9372
@jacklowes9372 Жыл бұрын
rarely think Simon is wrong but I actually think he is here
@dtrez3866
@dtrez3866 Жыл бұрын
I really like what souness brings to the table. The Monday show is the best. You can sense there are tensions between souness and Jordan. Two different people from two different backgrounds that usually have diametrically opposed views. And then there is jimmy in middle, some times playing the referee, and other times playing the stirrer. 😅 It's good radio.
@eniolaabifarin3260
@eniolaabifarin3260 Жыл бұрын
Exactly...I always watch it when Souness is there
@hmu05366
@hmu05366 Жыл бұрын
Agree
@tolulopeajayi9247
@tolulopeajayi9247 Жыл бұрын
Simon alluding that Spur’s level of success both historically and recently is comparable to that of Arsenal’s has to be the dumbest take in football punditry ever. Shows why man has woefully failed at every level of the game. Not quite sure what qualifies him to be a pundit anyways
@georgeoconnell7117
@georgeoconnell7117 Жыл бұрын
Simon not getting his facts straight on arsenals success. In the last 25 years they have won 3 league titles and 8 fa cups. Considerably more than spurs.
@ireneugeba5282
@ireneugeba5282 Жыл бұрын
Graeme and Jordan have such an energy together. They argue, are serious, at the same time it's entertaining and funny.
@jimharris1358
@jimharris1358 Жыл бұрын
Man Utd have the won the premier league more than 8 times 🤦🏼‍♂️
@DavyCR88
@DavyCR88 Жыл бұрын
13
@khanyarafani8759
@khanyarafani8759 Жыл бұрын
From 2001
@Daniel_ss4
@Daniel_ss4 Жыл бұрын
@@DavyCR88 Bought half of it tho SAF had the PL officials on pay roll
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 Жыл бұрын
In the last 20 years he said
@Joshkata_
@Joshkata_ Жыл бұрын
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@mikeday7530
@mikeday7530 Жыл бұрын
Simon doesn’t make the point that, during pochettino time when there was 0 money spent, we had the best chance of winning something and focused on business instead.
@bradsays
@bradsays Жыл бұрын
21 years, always top half of the table, never break ffp, building great infrastructure, best training facilities and stadium, excellent manager, i think hes been slowly building a great business in the world of football. yeah its a shame they havnt won more but its been pretty difficult with some of the incredible teams that have been around in those years and the money that has come into the game and bough it. If you can only be happy and support your club when they win trophies, you arent much of a real supporter. Spurs missed a trick when they didnt strengthen after losing the CL final with Poch. Lets see what happens in terms of backing conte and building something before spouting more nonsense anti spurs anti levy drivvel. Much prefer this way than selling out to middle eastern oil money.
@TheDonut1111
@TheDonut1111 Жыл бұрын
"Always top half of the table, never Broke ffp" Warrrrra trophy 😂😂
@Graziak5
@Graziak5 Жыл бұрын
Less trophies than Leicester in the same period
@johnmulhern2833
@johnmulhern2833 Жыл бұрын
​@@Graziak5 and more than Newcastle...one of the richest clubs in the world
@Graziak5
@Graziak5 Жыл бұрын
@@johnmulhern2833 yes they are one of the richest in the world……for the last 12 months lol
@dalegrant9282
@dalegrant9282 Жыл бұрын
Probably doesn't help that you have Arsenal being so successful 20 years ago, Arsenal managed to get the business right and win trophies, so spurs don't really have an excuse.
@jordanbyford2693
@jordanbyford2693 Жыл бұрын
You wrote it in your column or maybe you didn't 😂😂
@anon1576
@anon1576 Жыл бұрын
Souness is spot on levy still having a job and not winning anything! Spurs will never be a big team just a good business model than never really gets over the line. Astonished the fans are completly short sighted!
@mujeebahmed7940
@mujeebahmed7940 Жыл бұрын
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