'South Africa rugby completely obliterated the All Blacks' - reaction to big NZ loss | The Breakdown

[@50522094]

As a Kiwi, what I've always admired most about the Boks was that they have no equal when it came to all-out war. Now they have sublime skills, coaching and a depth of talent. Love them or hate them they have the best fans and as a team are incredible and come from an incredible nation.

[@Wildlife_SA.]

Thank you for the kind words sir. Much respect to the All Blacks always.... but we love our Bokke no matter what! "My blood is green!" 😉🏈🇿🇦

[@MooLaa-e1s]

Thanks boet.

[@theBORGman]

As a Bok - we've been in the toilet so long that we really know what it feels like to take a few smacks in a row. All respect to you guys (anchors) for taking it on the chin. You'll be our nemesis again in no time. I love our rivalry and mutual respect. Brothers in arms.

[@david1golfer]

Yeah mate well said. Respect from afar 🤝

[@cloudydaez]

Aww thank you so much. I love my All Blacks but I’ve never minded losing to the Boks because of the history and the respect. Now the Aussies? That’s another story 😂

[@imm2631]

I don't know why i find this funny, good luck next time. We need the strong AB team in the next World Cup, If we SA can't defend it, it rather go to AB.

[@Jo-id9zm]

@@cloudydaez I think it’s the same for SA fans losing to Aus. 😅

[@Mysterx1440]

In no time at all 😂

[@michaelvissser2185]

As a South African, we have been here a few times. Look at the last world cup, we lost to Italy and some other weak teams. I do think NZ need a new manager, but never write off a NZ. And I hope they come back.

[@trotgun1563]

lost to the all blacks in game one of the world cup then won the world cup ! things can turn around but its not looking good for the abz

[@leandaferreira8972]

Coaching - problem

[@jimmunro4649]

SA will all 3 tests that from Kiwi Hope they do if that what it takes for Change

[@floydkingi4364]

In 2017 SA couldn't win a raffle, in 2019 SA won the World Cup

[@alanle1471]

All Blacks like South Africa will be back. The decade of dominance of NZL might not be equaled for many years.

[@waburger8591]

Bokker here, Huge respect to the AB's and cant wait for the 2 point 85min thrillers again! What goes up must come down. You remain our longstanding foes!

[@BananaBendr]

Good to see NZ rugby getting humbled for a bit!

[@markgardiner1767]

Why? ITS LAMESTREAM MEDIA JOURNALISM THAT MAKES THE ABS BIGGER THAN BEN HUR👍

[@apiadventures3213]

We wanted Foster gone from the start because most kiwi rugby heads could see this was a very probable situation. Even when we were winning under Foster it didn’t feel right how the ABs looked on the field. Honestly I don’t mind because now everyone in NZ will appreciate the likes of Razor even more.

[@isaacbanda785]

@@liamgjaltema we gonna smash in the 2nd test again kkkkkk

[@gekolizzard]

Don’t gloat. Don’t be that guy.

[@h3rsch05]

As a South African fan. It's really sad to see our New Zealand brothers struggling. Us Saffas know the feeling. Hope you can turn it around soon.

[@glenchapman3899]

Dont worry the Wallabies will always be there to help New Zealand regain their self esteem

[@wellingtonstormzy7622]

As a South African, i remember our team going through exactly this! Not so long ago! NZ will bounce back! In no time! Major changes on management will be crucial

[@sharkbrain4677]

Since NZ started losing JK resigned from the Breakdown

[@Mo-yd8xc]

I don't like him. Justin Harrison is much more funny.

[@Skybar23]

Did he ?

[@ziphowophula7697]

Really miss Jk

[@angijnr1002]

All blacks will create absolute history 😆 🤣 😂

[@president6645]

He's got mental health issues. But who cares about that arrogant DOOS .

[@sepsism138]

South African fans, we appreciate all your (unexpected?) kind words and support! Well deserved win in the weekend. In general it's great to see SA on top and we were thrilled to see you get Southern Hemisphere revenge on England at the RWC. These issues with the ABs are not new (they are just getting worse) and we've been saying what we've been saying for a while. It's not that we're losing it's how we're losing. The fans have spoken and we want a new coach and captain.

[@angelicalulu9853]

If Australia or even England for that matter were in this predicament instead of the kiwis I guarantee we wouldn't give a sh*t 😂🚮

[@sepsism138]

@@angelicalulu9853 Absolutely. I'm floored by the sympathetic ("stop beating yourselves up") messages coming out of SA. Hopefully they don't feel we're taking away anything from their win (same for the deserving Irish who are awesome). We're not at all, IMHO.

[@angelicalulu9853]

@@sepsism138 Listen we've had some dark *dark* days 😂 so I think we get it because we know what your boys are capable of. Also I personally can not stand the North

[@sepsism138]

@@angelicalulu9853 🍻

[@apiadventures3213]

Exactly how we are losing and how we have been playing since Fossy took over.

[@guyclements4602]

It will be a similar result to the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend. Huge crowd, Huge Noise

[@theunsnaude3634]

Anyone else notice Willie le Roux doing shuttle runs in the background while Schalk and Justin were talking? Nice to see the commitment and personal dedication!

[@TheGabeWills]

That’s generally normal for every team at a higher level for any subs who either don’t get on or only get on for 20mins.

[@ziyahhavea355]

Right from the start.

[@rockkid8306]

Burger is absolutely right. Ioane is a great player but you need an enforcer at no.6 who can stand up to the physicality of the Boks.

[@sepsism138]

A hybrid lock might be the answer? Barrett? Vaai? Someone else? We're certainly missing the Kainos and Liam Squires.

[@nicholasvanlierde2546]

@@sepsism138 the answer is Tom Christie. He is the most physical flanker in NZ but they overlook him because they always choose speed. ABs need to be more physical and more direct

[@david1golfer]

Agree. Need a Jerry Collins, Messam, jaino or Vito type again

[@sepsism138]

@@nicholasvanlierde2546 Good call on Christie. How do you rate Cullen Grace? Would love to see him at 8 and/or Sotutu. Keeping in mind this is after Cane is dropped and Ardie can move to 7.

[@nicholasvanlierde2546]

@@sepsism138 honestly I haven't watched enough super rugby recently, but Sotutu is an epic player! ABs definitely have the players, just need to change tactics a bit. It was clear in 2019 already. Simplify things. Then Will Jordan can do his thing

[@Jbay2608]

As a lifelong Bok fan, it happens sometimes that your team goes through a rough patch. The All Blacks are experiencing it now, but they'll be back. Personally I can't wait for them to get it all sorted, because the Springboks will be waiting and we'll get to see more classic Bok vs All Black games. Just gotta stick with them and it'll come right.

[@Jhetx]

Correct, Springboks went through it recently, England has gone through it, Aus still not up to scratch and now its the AB turn.

[@gekolizzard]

There ya go…

[@zulub.r.u.h7846]

As a South African I can definitely resonate to what you guys are going through, we were in a similar situation before the previous world cup. There has and always been a massive level of respect for the rivalry the ABs & Sprinboks share. These two teams have brought us joy and disappointments, we just have to take the good with the bad. A weakened AB or a weakened Springbok team isn't good for the game of rugby. Chins up Kiwis & let's look forward to the next battle between these two!

[@etienemuller]

Just remember the springboks were in roughly the same place prior to the previous world cup. Rassie came in a few moths before world cup. Wont be surprised if the AB go the same route

[@MrAdmvp]

They were in a worse spot to be fair, lost 57-0 to New Zealand

[@etienemuller]

@@MrAdmvp fully agree with tou there.

[@gavinchester6890]

they chnaged their coach

[@lebajoamothepu2660]

@@gavinchester6890 fozzy has to go. The players are visibly confused and almost discombobulated on the field. The players he’s putting on aren’t working well together either. Havili and Ioane is the worst center pairing and it’s clearly not working

[@sancojoseph4939]

Everyone seem 2 forget the 25-24 game that very same Rugby championship..Stop the cap, even though we lost 57-0..We still had the team 2 beat anyone even then..Same is true of this All blacks team..It only takes 1 win 2 get them going again. ..

[@trotgun1563]

you saffa fans are gold ! respect ! it sucks getting beat but when we go down to the boks it doesnt feel as bad as going down 2 others ! . the boks are on fire and ill be watching all their games this year .

[@ventnorgoosen4239]

Big respect brother. The feeling is mutual from us Saffas. We’ve been through this plenty of times in the past, it hurts but there’s a rainbow at the end of the tunnel. There’s too much talent and brains in the NZ structure to not bounce back soon.

[@trotgun1563]

@@ventnorgoosen4239 how the abz got up at Ellis Park but it happened! . Rugby is a beautiful game

[@Jay-Leigh863]

I wondered at the wisdom of firing John Plumtree. He coached very successfully in SA and being familiar with the country and could have better prepared and steadied the ABs on Saturday. Secondly, the All Blacks have long followed a policy of continuation in that the assistant coach succeeds the head coach which worked for years and I wondered why we don't do the same but I think that policy has run its course as the All Blacks have stagnated under the system of different coaches but same coaching style. Hopefully they will get things sorted soon as a strong All Blacks team is a necessity in world rugby.

[@mikezog1030]

Maybe its a case of trying to fit players into an established coaching method (one that has maybe been found out or adapted to by other teams) where the players style doesn't really fit?

[@warrenamos7178]

I'm a huge fan of plum his time at the sharks they played some good rugby,kinda wish he was incharge of the boks.

[@loots0533]

The problem with the All Blacks starts right at the top. I think the review needs to look at Mark Robinson appointment as CEO, the decision to walk away from South Africa and Argentina involvement in Super Rugby, and the general decline in the rugby standards in the country. Then we can look at Ian Foster role and responsibility as head coach. It’s seems bizarre to me if don’t start all the way at the top when looking at what’s gone wrong.

[@gavinchester6890]

New board, ceo, coach, and captain needed. We need clubs taking back players aged 13-18, a kiwi team in the English league, and let players not playing super rugby play for ab's. Board sees such ideas as crazy and not stale pale male thinking - that's why they hate razor.

[@seamus9750]

Argentina will even fancy their chances against AB's

[@x-latetv-x6816]

They barely beat Scotland.

[@Heartymun]

Will beat them again along with Australia

[@Dilmahkana]

If they turn up with the motivation and intensity they had last year, they'll probably win... If Arg's defense holds then I can't see ABs game plan working

[@sweetfragment]

Where’s JK? It must be disappointing losing to a “Northern Hemisphere” team. Anyway Fossie was sleeping during the last year Lions series, now he has to take lessons the tough way.

[@josephconradie5935]

I want to hear John bit he is missing 🤣😂🤣😂 was looking forward to hear his views

[@bolivianbillionaire1349]

@@josephconradie5935 the butcher's apprentice wouldn't know chewed dates from wild honey.........a classic bimbo show-pony........

[@gekolizzard]

Holy crap guys quit dumping on the ABs. Have some faith…they’ll be back. From a Bok fan…and a South African.

[@Skybar23]

Bok fans would do the exact thing if the boks were crap

[@maxcassidy4527]

yep you're happy where the AB's are right now.....

[@david1golfer]

AB fan here and a Kiwi. I support them when they lose as well. But sun rises tomorrow. Great team SA

[@EVSmith-by9no]

@EJ Ioane Only if they’d run out of everyone else to blame first.

[@kamvaxhelithole9836]

They loosing again this coming weekend, trust!

[@johncreedon1833]

I thought the barret bros play - the defending that turned into a great attack was an eye opener. Beauden got the ball at his own try line and sprinted past 3 boks, creating space, passed it to jordie who carried further..then gave it to akira loane..who panicked passed it forward to nobody. The pass ruined that moment of attack and the boks came back. This lack of composure is something you would never usually see in the abs

[@Tee.NZ.07]

Schalk was bang on the money. Jerome Kaino is missed

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Richie McCaw, Ma'a Nonu, Conrad Smith, Dan Carter.... they have never managed to adequately replace any of them!

[@happysaffa8871]

The AB's don't believe in their plan, then they as incredible individuals, try too hard to do it themselves and fail. the players are amazing. They just aren't a team. As a Saffa, we have seen it before in our teams. But, the kiwi's celebrated back then when we got smashed, I will enjoy it now while we still can smash the AB's.

[@russelluasilaa8843]

Now AB felt what other rugby teams felt every year lol

[@david1golfer]

South Africa look amazing. We got the players but we are not clicking. Once they sort that we will be rolling again. The losses are also positive. Through failure you learn to succeed. Support your team when they lose, not juat when they win. Chin up move on

[@franciscobizzaro]

The loss of SA from the SuperRugby has been detrimental to the NZ skill set around set piece, breakdown etc

[@willempretorius6700]

Ok guys. Do you need Rassie? Just apologize for calling him boring and he'll be right over.

[@dulajohnstone5704]

Hou net ñ past stukke biltong vir hom asseblief

[@jantippet-anne4280]

Surprised by all the panic stations. Yes, ABs don't usually lose. They had a dominant 2011-2019 so it is unfamiliar to see them lose as regularly but it is impossible to be dominant forever. They'll be back in a year or two, then back to dominating for 4-5 years. Only wish the Boks could be that consistently unstoppable!

[@ryanway9346]

The domination was longer than just 11-19', but that's not the problem we have... This coaching staff and current team have broken record upon record over the past couple years and not the right kind... They haven't tried changing anything, including picking the same team and using the same tactics..... In past couple years; we have our first loss to Ireland away, then first loss at home to them, then into the first series loss to them, first series loss in NZ in 40-50 years and only 3rd time in our history... biggest loss to SA in 94years, our worst test ranking in history, now lost 5 of last 6 tests now- which I'm pretty sure has never happened before (if it has it would have been more than 50+ years ago) we drew and lost to Aussie last year in the 3 rugby championship games we played against them and the first ever loss to Argentina... There are plenty more terrible records there I'm just getting tired of writing them hahaha. By far the worst all blacks team possibly ever..... The crazy thing is, I believe we still have the best depth of players, we simply have no tactics, no defense and the team selection is based on loyalty -they just pick the same out-of-form old guys, simply because they've always been there. Our best fullback is on the bench or the wing and arguably our best first five eight is on the bench.... Two key positions filled with dudes simply because their last name is Barrett and that's it... Not to mention half our forwards are picked based off this loyalty crap, rather than form, youth and hunger.. Ah well, if we are not gonna try to change, we cannot expect a different result... I see us as around the 6th best team now - behind SA, Ireland, France, England, possibly Wales/Aussie (will have to wait and see how we play v Aus to judge that) and that's all one year to a world cup. It would be the biggest miracle for us to make any kind of splash at the world cup, we are destined for a quarter final exit at this stage... Wouldn't worry about us, Ireland, England, France much more dangers for you Saffas

[@mikezog1030]

@@ryanway9346 While Jake White was in charge and the early part of P de Villiers tenure there was no Kiwi domination. Before that it was England/Australia.

[@J0sh351]

completely missing the point, not the losses it how we're loosing.

[@jantippet-anne4280]

@@ryanway9346 by the length of that answer I can tell you've been hurting for a while. Haha. Sorry, mate. ABs definitely don't look good at the moment. Breaking all the wrong records. But Ireland caught you at their peak and your trough. Bad timing. This is all only a year out from WC but this WC cycle is way out of kilter after 2020 & 2021 seasons. I hear rumours of Robertson taking over, obviously that Crusader oke is a great coach, but so soon before WC? Plus he doesn't have any international experience. Would be a huge risk.

[@jantippet-anne4280]

@@J0sh351 true, I don't think Boks dominated the ABs like that even in 2009 (or 2010, whichever). But it will only take one game to click. Whenever that game comes is another story...

[@geraldfourie3653]

When we loose to the All Blacks I am sad, when we beat them at their best I am ecstatic, today I feel slightly sad despite the win. We need the AB's to be strong to lift us, I have no doubt they will be back soon.

[@jimmunro4649]

No we will not

[@garthjohnson88]

Yes, b/c I'll always root for NZ over say France in the RWC. Hemisphere loyalties

[@krlauf5307]

Bok fan here ... we know the All Blacks will be back...and don't think for a moment that they can't win the RWC next year

[@stefandebeer9375]

Too bad JK wasn't on the show, wanted to see his honest reaction, unlike the more measured reactions from this panel.

[@kamilhameed9158]

I thought the same but Mills was doing a better job than he would have in the past.

[@MrLisaFischer]

Great rugby occasion and atmosphere 👌

[@ventnorgoosen4239]

The crux of the matter is that the Bokke need the All blacks and vice versa so I know I speak for majority of Saffas but we want NZ to do well but not beat us, beat everyone else but not us. The respect for the All Blacks is different compared to any other rugby nation. So we support you guys during this slump and we all truly believe that the All Blacks won’t be down for too long. That’s impossible.

[@kyleferreira4285]

I’m South African, and it’s so good to see the boks looking confident, The AB’s are just going through transition I’m not sure the coaching is doing them any favours, there is too much class in that side to be playing like this.

[@clintoruss153]

Long may this continue, the all blacks have had tons of success over the years, let other teams have their day in the sun, its good for the global game and for neutral fans

[@nickfoster4361]

NZ Rugby made their bed now they must lie in it. NZ Rugby kicked us out our Super Rugby not the other way around. We took our teams and our broadcast revenue and went to Europe. Its for the best. SR revenue was being unfairly split anyway. We had 60% of the viewership of SR since 1996, but only got 33% of the revenue from the broadcast deal. So South Africans, by paying for Dstv actually bankrolled NZ and Aus rugby from 96 till COVID hit. NZ rugby thought they were being clever when they booted us out and wanted to go it alone. Now they dominate SRP. Aus and Pacific teams are cannon fodder. This means NZ teams win almost very game, thus weakening their domestic game. I for one and delighted to see NZ Rugby fall from grace. For far too long they have been the darlings of World Rugby that could do no wrong despite the cheating of their players. They got away with wins and murder for decades. They deserve everything they are currently getting.

[@russellturner1909]

Good riddance 🖕

[@nicobr00]

Ouch 🤕 take it easy.

[@samdempsey3037]

Interesting that Ireland/Leinster suffered from what you are saying, lack of domestic competition meaning players were under prepped. Hopefully they will now benefit from SA teams in the URC. NZ lose could be Ireland's gain.

[@theunsnaude3634]

It's still just a game, perspective is important. No need to go hating on them, that's pretty poor sportsmanship on your part... people in glass houses much?

[@RubyDoobieScoo]

I agree with the first paragraph but the second is nonsense. Hell you guys are getting away with a 4 week suspension for Kurt-Lee intentionally taking out Beauden in the air.

[@topdogs87]

That old saying is still true Forwards win you the game the backs just determine by how much. AB's missing that enforcer and breakdown specialist.

[@struesbob7493]

I thought the score was flattering for the AB's. The Boks should have been up more than 30. It was one way traffic.

[@nickyjacobs9122]

In life we all encounters a "winter".However no season is permanent and it shall pass.The same in sport .Very difficult to stay at the top as all will hunt u.I am a hardened black blooded All Blacks supporter and do believe this " winter " shall pass.Kamate kamate ka ora.💪

[@cassyvorster466]

Great games and always so passionate. The All Blacks will find their groove. Nothing like a humble pie to make you stronger.

[@JT-oo7sd]

Excellent comments.

[@mov3d-strengthforliving717]

Well said SB , don't go wide until you're going forward.

[@stephenconradie3807]

The AB’s are one of the world’s great teams. While iconic in NZ, they have set a bar for performance and class that my sons and daughter, diehard Bok fans, respect above all else. Keep it tight NZ and support these guys when it’s not easy. It’s important for the game.

[@wiehanndeklerk8969]

Great humble commentary!

[@marclawyer2789]

The brilliance of the individuals in the ABs is the only thing keeping the 'team' afloat...and also creating the issues on the pitch. In the past teams list to the ABs for exactly the same reason: try harder, to make something happen...

[@JackKinross]

Great point by Mils at the end, what we'd give for a Jerry or Jerome at 6 with Ardie needing to be at 7. Kudos to Kirsty for asking the tough questions.

[@ashleybasson5664]

I’m an SA supporter. I’ve watched a number of these reviews of the AB’s performance. What I’ve not seen is a discussion on whether the absence of the SA franchises from Super Rugby contributed to the current AB squad being unprepared for the direct, confrontational and abrasive style of rugby played by SA teams. There is much to say for the idea that had the SA franchises remained in Super Rugby, the current crop of AB players would have grown accustomed to the SA style of rugby and have adapted to it. Methinks.

[@jeremymaarman2949]

I’m a Springbok supporter but will take a stab at suggesting an All Blacks team that might give the Boks something else to think about. This tight five will also front up must stronger in the tight exchanges. All Blacks 1. Ofa Tu’ungafasi 2. Samisoni Taukeiaho 3. Nepo Laulala 4. Patrick Tuipulotu 5. Sam Whitelock 6. Shannon Frizell 7. Sam Cane (c) 8. Ardie Savea 9. Aaron Smith 10. Richie Mo’unga 11. Caleb Clarke 12. David Havili 13. Braydon Ennor 14. Jordie Barrett 15. Will Jordan 16. Codie Taylor 17. Ethan de Groot 18. Angus Ta’avao 19. Scott Barrett 20. Dalton Papalii 21. Finlay Christie 22. Stephen Perofeta 23. Rieko Ioane I know most here will cringe at seeing Braydon in midfield but I think this midfield combo between him and Havili can be “the future”. They have the experience of playing together for Crusaders so must get in there right now against the BEST midfield combo in the world. Braydon Ennor has a great rugby brain and I look at him as a more calm and traditional 13.

[@markwillies7309]

Part of NZ,s problem is that their locks are not up to scratch. Whitelock seems to be nearing his sell by date and Retallick also seems to have lost steam. Barrett is okay but not great. Most telling though is that we ie SA were plagued by NZ's fetchers viz Jones, Kronfeld and McCaw and Cane while decent is not as good. But I don't think its all doom and gloom for them.the players are thereand I think its just a case of Foster not being up for the job.We know all about this as we have had some really crap choices as coaches. But it is enjoyable to see NZ struggling and hopefully they lose again at Ellis Park.

[@lukebird3142]

It won’t be long til ABs are back on top. But it is refreshing to see some other teams have a win when playing them. It’s great for the fans too - both ABs and other countries. It’s interesting again 👏

[@lexas1]

Everything is subject to cycles. No team can remain at the top of their game forever. A sharp knife won't stay sharp forever.

[@kihara4244]

As a SAFFA I reckon the Kiwis are over reacting. If the passes stick all the other aspects will fall into place. The uncharacteristic handling errors are compounding issues. These players are just too good for this to continue for much longer

[@nmn9166]

It’s weird . As an Irish fan I thought we were rocking up to try Knick a win away! Didn’t mean to break your country and leave it in flames!! 🔥 😆 Seriously though , although every other International side goes through this rebuild. Boks were very shit fir a long time. NZ now in this space fir first time in professional era. They will get back ti top but won’t dominate in the same way again like before! 🤗

[@sizwe1131]

Springboks will be back to number 1 in world by the end of the week.

[@Nieljoyceniel]

Haven’t beaten France or Ireland yet

[@ytrxpt9731]

@@Nieljoyceniel SA will beat them

[@ytrxpt9731]

@@Nieljoyceniel are they playing against eachother this year?

[@andrewforbesforsyth6765]

@@ytrxpt9731 yes, later this year boks play ireland then france back to back

[@Nieljoyceniel]

@@ytrxpt9731 no they won’t, Ireland have put more against abs away from than sa did at home. The sa tries came from silly abs mistakes

[@elikinukutabu3159]

The ABs need to be humble and accept other teams come to win too, not just participate.

[@gekolizzard]

I think they know that. AB players are pretty humble for the most part.

[@steveoneill5876]

Well said Mils I think you hit the nail on the head with that run down.

[@EdgkumWat]

My Team (Mobile,Mongrel) 1. Nepo Laulala 2. Samisoni Taukei'aho 3. Ethan De Groot 4. Scott Barrett 5. Tupou Vaa’i 6. Ardie Savea 7. Dalton Papalii 8. Pita Gus Sowakula 9. Finley Christie 10. Beuden Barrett 11. Mark Telea 12. Quinn Tupaea 13. Reiko Ioane 14. Sevu Reece 15. Will Jordan

[@gopolanglekoto]

Cheer up now, Kiwis!☹️ The mighty All Blacks will be back.👍 Just not this weekend at Ellis Park!🤣 Some more klapping is on the way🤭

[@gekolizzard]

We shall see.

[@marissadarlow8205]

NZ stand by your team ...this is when your players need your energy and positive vibes.. we have been there before...

[@gerhoell2201]

The Kiwis should get Schalk Burger to coach them!!

[@TheNotSoGreatGatsby]

it all comes down to a lack of ticker

[@graemehuia5964]

Lots of talent that hasn't gelled thats where the All Blacks are at.

[@whitebeard1965]

15. Will Jordan 14. George Bridge 13. Riko Ioane 12. Richie Mounga 11. Sevu Reece 10. Beauden barret 9. Aaron Smith 8. Ardie savea ( C ) 7. Dalton papalii 6. Akira ioane 5. Shannon Frizell 4. Sam Whitelock 3. 2. Dane Coles 1. And I don't know any props lol but I think this will be a effective team what do you guys think lol I'm more of a rugby league fan but I gave this a shot 😉

[@bribri5458]

Landscape of modern day Rugby is that all of the top 10 teams are going to be beating each other interchangeably. The standard is just that good. Maybe not what the kiwis are used to but the sky isn’t falling there in my opinion. It just means a few tweaks (even playing at home) or time together as a squad and they are right there. Its fine lines and shows just how good Rugby is across the board these days. Then again, if your tactics aren’t right its a long day against a team like the boks

[@MrAhuapai]

The ABs certainly turned it around . Winning the next test against South Africa and then the Rugby Championship

[@ihaka70377]

0:00 "A sUXteen point victory" I'm kiwi but even I hear suxteen

[@lunganihlongwa1206]

South African fan here. I must say, I like winning against the Mighty All Blacks but it saddens me seeing them this way. C’mon AB. You can bounce back. You have some of my favorite players… WJ, BB, and RI.

[@ashinch0r]

I don't think that the ABs are far off from being a dominating side, but it is pretty clear that there is no consistant game plan for the guys to follow. We need solid roles and plans that they can count on rather than every single guy trying to make something happen all by himself.

[@bikesnippets]

They are a whole forward pack away.

[@craigrik2699]

This is not the bottom of the barrel. The last tour against Ireland was the bottom and no change to the game plan. Getting beaten by the World Champions is by the by.

[@jojomasipa379]

The AB 's willing their feet again. Never write them off. I am happy SA won, but AB is still my second favorite team. Don't give up on these guys they will make you proud again.

[@nancyfifita2395]

The shade they were lowkey throwing at Cane and Foster just shows they know their the problem.

[@brandoneloff5255]

Everyone goes on and on about how bad AB’s are but both the Boks and Ireland played brilliant. There is work that needs done behind the scenes, but credit needs to go to the Boks and Ireland for 3 great games

[@brendangamble5088]

I remember ireland winning the grandslam under declan kidney the next season was the world Cup we did alright then the following season ire have their worst 6 nations so many retired and also kidney was making mistakes so what did the irfu do they brought in Joe smidt he weeded out the dead wood and employed a system that worked. What I'm saying is newzealand rugby need to restart and build the depth but most of all get a progressive coach like razor

[@MrAdmvp]

Ireland went to 2 world cups under Schmidt, 2 embarrassing Quarterfinal losses and a loss to Japan. Why this guy is hailed as anything other than a choke artist?

[@taauriquemarley9931]

All blacks said the boks game makes them fall asleep lol

[@joe-jg4bh]

Let me guess they're all wide awake now

[@jeremyatkinson4976]

Well they seemed half asleep at times....Boks and Ireland just gave them no time

[@cheetahbrfc9016]

Saffa here, never ever write off New Zealand. Sure they are having a bad run at the moment but they will bounce back hard! Its a bumpy road that all good sides eventually go through in my opinion.

[@markcurtis3667]

Times change in sport, for years NZ led the way, they reinvented the game time after time, but world rugby is just that, world rugby, the best coaches in the world move between nations, Shaun Edwards went from Wales to France, and has made them better, an Aussie coaches England, he sets the play. Eddie Jones has a good handle on results over performance, over building. If the All Blacks won the world cup, nobody would be surprised.

[@kitbakz2483]

Wayne Smith head coach, Joe Schmidt assistant for World Cup

[@gavinchester6890]

Here is my AB team to play next test v SA. 1. De Groot. 2. Samisoni. 3. Ross. 4. Whitelock. 5. Barrett. 6. Frizell. 7. Papalii. 8. Savea. 9. Christie. 10. Barrett, 11. Clarke 12. Tupaea. 13. RTS. 14. J Barrett. 15. Jordan

[@nicogoliath4902]

Wise words spoken here

[@RPedro87]

As a Bok fan I would still fear this AB team, the difference here is that they were sucked into playing a defensive game by being on the back foot in their own half. The ABs definitely have the man power and flair to beat any team on any day, I just feel that it was a poor execution or lack of execution of a game plan. As soon as the ABs start getting ball from broken play and swinging it through the hands, any team is in trouble. The North seem to write them off already, if the ABs get 1 or 2 good results then all of a sudden you will be facing a confident AB team and we all know how tough that can be to beat.

[@gavinchester6890]

there is no game plan

[@matthewvanrensburg3824]

I think everybody from NZ who honestly thought SR Pacific was a showcase of rugby are living in denial, heads in the sand.

[@slau330]

This argument is flawed

[@richardstone3083]

@@slau330 you sure?

[@sajjadqayyum3033]

I think obliterated is an overstatement. SA got their points through kicking the ball. They still don't have the same tenacity or fluency that New Zealand possess.

[@huepix]

Oh c'mon Beating the world champions in thero own stadium where they've never lost isnt exactly easy. S.A. played an almost perfect game. The ABs looked like a team playing its first game travelling away. Just like Ireland looked a bit off on the 1st test. I think this next one will be a truer indicator. It will be either close (within a penalty) or S.A. will blow out. This one could easily have been 30 40 points to nil. Have faith!

[@Karma-qt4ji]

SA played okay, but definitely not perfect. Perfect would have seen them hold ball in hand more when they had the break or the advantage, rather than just hoof it towards the touch line for the winger to chase.

[@huepix]

@@Karma-qt4ji the winger chased pretty well. It's a human game. Sometimes the opposition read the play, and neither of these sides are mugs. I'm hoping the ABs can lift for this next one. Both teams should play better. ABs have the bigger hill to climb.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@huepix I wasn't talking about the box kicks, I was talking about kicking the ball away when we were making a break or had an overlap or advantage.

[@knoxlealavaa4958]

10 mo’unga 12 Barrett 13 havili that’s are solid mid field 💯

[@josephmoale7283]

Minus bauden barret... got his chance, fell short

[@RubyDoobieScoo]

@@josephmoale7283 he and Ardie have been their best players, unarguably, they just don't have the support from the rest of their team and are having to do it themselves. The ABs only get worse when Richie comes on.

[@CianMcCabe98]

As an irishman it baffles me when kiwis call losing by that much an obliteration, just shows how unused they are to having a team that is mortal

[@Aristocratic_Utensil]

This is the biggest defeat they've suffered on south african soil since 1928, so that would be the reason why..

[@apiadventures3213]

It’s how we are playing. Points don’t tell the full story. ABs are being completely dominated and are one step away from being beaten by 50 points.

[@garthjohnson88]

The NZ bar for excellence doesn't waiver much! The pressure must be immense to carry that weight...

[@julianalderson3938]

How long do we do this?

[@apiadventures3213]

After this amazing ride with Foster the NZR and the NZ people will appreciate the likes of Razor, Rennie, Joseph even more!

[@gavinchester6890]

yes but the nzrfu lets our coaches go as they wish but place in policies that say if a player goes then they can never play for ab's, result = foster and cane

[@apiadventures3213]

@@gavinchester6890 I agree! If Fozzy can get us looking like the ABs again I'm happy. Probably won't happen because something's been missing the last 2 years.

[@HeAhaBro]

He's right on the money! 👍

[@gavinchester6890]

In NZ players are picked at a young age in representative / development sides solely on the fact they have a physical advantage over the other kids. You hear it said in NZ rugby for the last 20 years "how good will that kid be when he plays people his own size and pace?", "can he play under pressure?', "is he able to learn / improve?", "can he play in a team and do his job well and not play as an individual?'. Selectors in NZ love kids aged 16 6ft 3 tall and 120kgs in size. Difficulity is picking the big kids is a short term gain if the tournament is in 6 weeks. NZ rugby needs to develop players that are not using a physical advantage to be very good in their position and give them a pathway so that when they are big enough we have players with game sense and the ability to understand their role within a team. Also our coach , captain , and rugby board sux

[@southprawn4791]

New Zealand rugby should never have left super rugby, their club teams aren't being tested anymore

[@StanslaMichael]

How do you go from a team that won back to back to back world cups, to this? NZRU have a lot to answer for in the choosing of Foster as Head Coach. It's clear that the level that they are playing and being trained is far below the level in which they were.

[@alanle1471]

Few things can motivate a team like losing a coach due to poor performance. SA with Rassie, Now NZL with Foster.

[@reese8097]

Wishing the ABs all the best... after the Boks win the 2023 WC.

[@cloudydaez]

‘A team struggling for confidence’ that’s what I’ve thought all along. Now what’s the fix?

[@jhanahurinui274]

In the late nineties before the Richie McCaw era our All Black's did experience some big major loses against these big teams. The world maybe has caught up now, who knows. Great wins from France, Ireland and South Africa they pushed us hard but please If we lose against Australia, we need to make serious changes.

[@ghaliebdavids3156]

I think they need a new coach. They have heaps of talent. No disrespect to Foster. He is not the man for the job

[@alanle1471]

Foster was there during AB dominance. He is known by his team. Replace him and the new coach has to rebuild from scratch.

[@boogiesnakedartistry4745]

I do like that 16points is considered an obliteration of the All Blacks, and hope a few more losses can finally get the change that should have happened after the world cup

[@stanleymabena3696]

If I am an all black, I won’t start to panic after what South Africa had gone through before 2019 World Cup, all blacks has good Rugby Infrastructure, talking about the players, coaches and support, it’s matter of getting it right not starting from scratch.

[@theofarmmanager267]

A perspective from England. The Boks were much the better side and their game plan didn’t need to be incredibly complex - to me, it was based upon simply “pressurise the ABs with aggressive defence and chase-able kicks”. I saw no plan from ABs to counteract that. Of course, the Boks will always be big men, aggressive and focussed; nothing is ever different about that. Number one is to get parity in the sets and the rucks - you might not be able to dominate the scrum or pinch much line out ball - but you have to secure your own; you have to resource the rucks so that, it might be slow ball on occasion but it’s not lost ball. None of that is any surprise - any startling revelation - to a rugby fan or player. Resolving it comes down to the coaching team and the leadership group of players to come up with the right game plan and stick to it. If it’s the right game plan, then don’t panic and throw it away; stick to it until the coach says “time to go to plan B”. Personally, I don’t think the Boks will play differently next week, next month or next year. Why should they? The beat England at the RWC by being the Boks and England didn’t have the right plan to negate them. Have the ABs got the right players? I can’t say because i don’t see enough NZ rugby now to offer opinions - but it would be incredible to me to think that NZ have suddenly become bereft of sufficient numbers of quality players. What game plan should the ABs have? I was a reasonable club player and never have been a coach but my instinct is parity up front and then kick to corners in order to move the big guys around; the backs should be a combination of getting it out wide very quickly and/or kick behind the line of backs so that the Boks have to turn and go back. So much easier said than done but top class players should be able to do it.

[@gavinchester6890]

in nz we pick big kids in rep teams that cant match up when they play their physical equal and need to be smart or play as a team

[@theofarmmanager267]

@@gavinchester6890 that’s clearly an issue that the NZ RFU need to pick up on. Good rugby is that combination of brawn and brain used well; you don’t want one without another. I was never the biggest prop (157cm and 105kgs) but as I got older, my diminishing brawn was made up with more brain.

[@gavinchester6890]

@@theofarmmanager267 it gets tricky in NZ as it is seen as a race thing , all the big kids have some Pacific Island descent and the white kids who are actually better players but smaller are missing out, until we address this for what it is we diminish out stock of potential AB's, also we need to get a team in the English club comp called the kiwis, would add some spice and interest I think, maybe we start in the second division or be told we can only have 10 kiwis in the starting 15 of each match, the nzrfu needs to compromise on such points or globalisation and the matter pommy pound will take lots of our best 22 yr old players away from us, playing for the AB's ranked 7 in the world or taking a 1 million a yr pound contract and setting yourself up for life in 8-10 years, well, the nzrfu needs to let players play overseas and the AB's, but, we need to restrict the exodus of coaches to international sides, place in their contracts they can not leave and coach an international side for 5 years after having coached a super rugby team,

[@theofarmmanager267]

@@gavinchester6890 thanks for that Gavin. A lot to take in. I can’t comment on the race thing as I would have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I can see that the NZRFU, being relatively poor compared to France, Ireland and England, have to put rules in place to slow/stop an exodus of players and coaches but there is “restraint of trade” whereby any clause in a comment no matter previously signed which would be seen as restraining someone from earning a living elsewhere is automatically unfair (and therefore illegal). There is also an issue with forbidding someone to earn a living playing or coaching a competitor; that also has to be treated quite carefully as I had a clause in an employment contract which sought to forbid me working for a competitor for 2 years; I challenged it and won. . I would guess NZ has something similar. So, you can say no overseas players for the ABs because that’s not restraining their ability to earn a living but it’s very hard to forbid someone to do something after their employment with you has ended. One of the joys of rugby is that body size isn’t the be-all-and-end-all. There is room for the fatties and the girls in the backs at the lower levels. How you ensure that all sizes get equal opportunities is another argument.

[@gavinchester6890]

@@theofarmmanager267 Ok.Just for the record players and supporters of Pacific Island decent are great. Great as people, great as community. They bring a sense of family with them. Restraint of trade, yup, heard about it. If the original contract clearly states a coach cant coach another international side x years out from completion and they sign it, is it still restraint ? lol I have no clue