What are the standards of gender in sport and are they right?

[@cheerwhiner7829]

It’s not about gender (as it’s defined today 🙄), it’s about the differences in biology, and ultimately, fairness and safety because of those differences.

[@xx133]

They are biologically women. They have a woman’s reproductive system. What more do people want?

[@bluegamer4210]

1. These 2 fighers were not trans, the women just looked a bit manly. 2.whate fairness? sport is fun because it's unfair and you probably don't care about female sport unless there is a trans person involved 3. Take up 5mins and educate yourselfs on how transitiong works aka a person that transitions also loses their body mass and the insituion has the right to reject a person should that person not meet the requirments as a bonus there are women who cannot paritipate in sertain sport for having too much testostarone while men there is no such restriction.

[@cheerwhiner7829]

@@bluegamer4210 Again, my reply was deleted. KZbin = PATHETIC 1) Never said T. 2) They are dsd. Have XY… are dudes. 3) Test. has advantage, not fair. Combat not safe. 4) WIAW? Do you know? 🙄 I do.

[@garymoody4545]

@@bluegamer4210 Lies will not become truth. IBA has confirmed both of them are male in the press conference. What evidence do you have to prove them are female?

[@garymoody4545]

@@bluegamer4210 Both of these people are male as confirmed by IBA. Please do not spread lies.

[@MeAgain192]

wow. its 2024, and people are struggling to determine what male and what female are..

[@xx133]

It’s because right just learned that people like them exist. They’ve been competing and existing since the beginning of this sport, and humanity.

[@bluegamer4210]

Woah a person born female turned out to be female but looked musician and the right ran with her being a man why is that not shocking in the sighest.

[@onioni111111]

​@@bluegamer4210 u inkgrish is scry ad me don no why u have soek like thatt.

[@JuMa-m9i]

@@bluegamer4210 "XY" say otherwise, you product of siblings

[@JuMa-m9i]

@@xx133 Oh, the irony! The Right isn't the one denying basic human biology and turning womanhood into some customizable option. That's a special talent reserved for the Left.

[@karthikshetty2206]

Women with 100gm more weight is not eligible , But with more testrosomes are allowed . What logic I am missing here

[@clairehsu9694]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHSrpnp5Zd2niJosi=4ZXPxb66ib4PBAXF

[@nambarjintumenbayar3599]

2kg is not 100g

[@MainADMlN]

This went from a venerable event to just becoming a bizarre circus. Literally from the opening. What a disgrace. Mount Olympus must be crying in disappointment.

[@ChuanTeh]

The whole world is turning upside down

[@joshbaskin1405]

It’s always interesting to me that I haven’t seen to date a biological female who identifies as a male wanting to compete in male sports.

[@zhidongchen8759]

1992 Bacelona Olympic Games, a Chinese woman Zhang shan 张山 won a mix gender shooting match.

[@paulosrcs185]

​@@zhidongchen8759keywords mixed gender 😂😂

[@paulosrcs185]

​@@zhidongchen8759shooting is completely different 🤡🤡🤡

[@gilgulkannone0078]

there are acctually, but nobody cares. Its always the transwoman they cry about

[@nazariadelossantos9053]

Lin and khalib fight each other that’s fair.

[@SarahOmer-dk4pf]

They will not due to different weight classes

[@GmZ79]

😂

[@AshanBhatoa]

They are both women?

[@貴寶地]

I want to see you fight with Lin.😏

[@NonnofYobiznes]

The Olympics are a joke now, they've turned into a freak show.

[@stonegray1]

Even 50 years ago, she was referred to as a female in the Olympics.

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

@@stonegray1 WRONG!

[@markgarrett3647]

​@@stonegray1 50 years ago he would have been banned and disgraced for competing in women's sports.

[@stonegray1]

@@markgarrett3647 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82awa_Walasiewicz

[@evil_radfem9162]

@@markgarrett3647 he!

[@cindychantey]

Well there is a third option which is probably what they are.. they might be androgen insensitive, people who karotype as male, but because they have the insensitivity it makes them have more feminine traits so they are intersex... For these people it really is hard to put them in category. Trans is a very wrought subject, and being intersex is actually kinda a totally different issue. unfortunately the two are conflated just because they have a similar out look / need to conform to the typical binary. Anyway just a sidebar on this controversy dunno what the issue is with the two competitors they could be either karotype, but eh it shouldn't bar them from competition.

[@鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥]

You are bisexual. He is originally a girl. If you look carefully, you will know that he is a girl.

[@michaelkot5387]

If they have a male karyotype, they should not compete with women. The men's league is always open. Anyone can participate.

[@clairehsu9694]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHSrpnp5Zd2niJosi=4ZXPxb66ib4PBAXF

[@dikembeafrika8918]

It is not a third option. These are dudes thats it XY

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

They went through male puberty, hence have all the advantages of being a male.

[@syang7775]

It is a matter of fairness, to say the least. At the worst it is the violence against women!

[@shadowzabyss]

I'm not sure what is wrong in the comment section. You know that no one is alleging that either one of them isn't born female. This is not a trans issue at all. To me trans issue in sport is pretty clear cut. But this is not one of it.

[@bluegamer4210]

So why are people talking about trans isshue whenever there isn't one here?

[@garymoody4545]

@@bluegamer4210 Both of these people are male.

[@joyceyeh1826]

@@garymoody4545and yet they have all the characteristics of a female.

[@lrn_ls3984]

@@garymoody4545bet theyre more manly than you

[@ashamed2Byt]

@@garymoody4545 Proof?

[@maggiepena7239]

Let them fight with one of their own. Stop throwing these men in the women sports. Totally not fair or safe on the real woman. Stop.

[@MassoudRabbani]

So basically, if a woman is too strong, she's not a woman. This is what happens when you create separate categories for women just so they can win some medals.

[@sweetsourorange]

Oh so if they’re too strong they’re not women anymore? Do you think women are just soft uwu weak little creatures?🥺🥺🥺

[@kiwifruitkl]

Male-To-Female Trans people are barred from women's sports because of higher testosterone and athletic ability. Fair enough. But here's the thing: nature isn't perfect. It is entirely possible to have a naturally born female with an above-average production of testosterone. Some women may have PCOS. Should these women be cut off? Do they become Unwomen because real women should produce the 'correct' range of testosterone? Personally, I think anything that nature produces should be fair game. If a woman just happens to have a higher production of testosterone than the average woman, then she will naturally have an advantage. Of course, this usually means that female athletes and Olympic athletes of the future will gravitate towards women with a tendency to produce higher quantities of testosterone. As long as the higher production of the hormone doesn't block fertility, the woman is a normal healthy woman who just has an above-average production of testosterone.

[@rinjinnoko]

It's rarely about testosterone. Longer wingspan, higher bone density, bigger lung capacity, things that stay even with hrt.

[@SeelkadoomTHS]

Your point is?

[@faultyclone0013]

You are a fool if you think there is any justification for transpeople who are born a male. Sorry to say but this is a foolish take. Testosterone and estrogen don’t make a man or a woman. Its everything.

[@yapsiauwsoengie6507]

so just remove the gender category from sports

[@captainwin6333]

Yup. No point saying it's not fair Usain Bolt has longer legs than me and can naturally move them quicker than me. He was born with these attributes. Imagine banning very tall people from basketball because they have a natural advantage. Or banning Mike Tyson cos he punches hard.

[@helenchou-t8l]

This is not about ideology, it's fairness. Chromosome and testosterone levels. A man has much more muscle mass than a woman of his weight and much stronger. He will beat her. How is this fair?

[@citrinenaturals6787]

They are not real women if they biologically have the Y chromosome. It would of been so simple to not allow men to compete by just doing the biological chromosome test. It doesn't matter what their passport say or what you are brought up as. To protect woman, they have to do these test. They are cases of DSD that make it hard for to the doctor to determine at birth whether a child is male or female. Now days we have testing to determine this.

[@JL-hm7dn]

they also not real man either because they born with only female productive organs. Their birth certificate indicated they are female. They had Y chromosomes because of genetic mutation.

[@patriciacain1640]

Young girls wanting to be athletes are harmed by this action from the boxing allowing males to compete as females.

[@bubu0520]

Do you realize you are hurting a real woman? Stop believing in the false claims from IBA. Before considering the IBA claims, please take a moment to understand who is behind this organization.

[@evil_radfem9162]

WEF is behind the IOC

[@你要確定耶]

南華晚報就是中共的媒體，他們不會放過挑撥自由陣營跟打壓台灣的機會

[@evil_radfem9162]

@@bubu0520 World Economic Forum and NATO are behind the IOC

[@humanbeing3946]

The two athletes should feel obliged to provide proof of their gender.

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

Then why did the 2 not appeal it? Why did both sign the document of the test showing they are male? They had choice to appeal and legal cost covered, without appeal they are accepting the findings as true and is then officially male. They were also tested 2 separate times with I believe a year in between, the complaints from athletes and coaches and people had been made for years and was brewing, it did not just all happen at one moment. Both tests were done in 2 different countries as well.

[@anokataP1anokataP1]

So if someone trained more then other then it have advantage, also, should we ban this as well? I thought sport is all about competition and have advantage is the main goal -_- insanity

[@bluegamer4210]

They actauly do descriminate against women with natural advantages in sports cis or not.

[@garymoody4545]

No, this has nothing to do with the training. Do not confuse others. Everybody is saying that both of them are biological male which IBA has confirmed taking advantages in female sports.

[@xgal-7]

Its about XY chromosone. Get your facts straight.

[@arifsoetanto7533]

@@xgal-7 where's the report stating XY chromosomes?

[@Guni8112]

try to train as hard as you can, and box with a bear. we'll see what you think after that.

[@zaug1561]

Politics and semantics aside, these 2 fighters have the physical characteristics of biological men which gives them a massive advantage and that's why this is wrong.

[@clairehsu9694]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHSrpnp5Zd2niJosi=4ZXPxb66ib4PBAXF

[@Circus1990]

They are confirmed biological males with XY chromosomes.

[@MATAL1X]

Olympics are supposed to be for people with rare talents/physics. This is no exception. Get over it.

[@zaug1561]

@@MATAL1X That's MY point. Biological men beating up biological women completely counters what you just said. This is why we separate men's and women's sports. You think it's just coincidence the only 2 biological men competing against women in boxing are going for the gold? Must be all that hard work.

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

@@MATAL1X The category is WOMANS boxing! Don't cheat! He can have his rare talent and physique in the mens boxing...nobody is arguing him boxing!

[@DavidMotherland]

The IBA disqualification was uncontested, it's so simple to disprove the male karyotype claim, but it hasn't been, it hasn't even been verbally denied: because Y ?

[@titanzhang9601]

this will nvr happen in mens sports..this only looks fair in women's sports...but nvr fair in men's sports....

[@SteelBand17]

Trans should have their own category.

[@乃-v8g]

What's the point of it? If it is for fairness in sports, then it does nothing. Because there is no thing such as true fairness in this current binary gender classification system. That is an fantasy utilising the name of biology, which is false. In the beginning, people finally(though yet still not much) recognised there are women who have very high testosterone level in this Olympic, and then ignorant or hate motivated people used it for their anti trans narrative. Real biology is not that simple as you learned in high school. Moreover, if you really care about fairness in sports, we need height classification in basketball, volleyball, soccer, etc. Experience-long based classification in almost any sports and board game competitions. These are just a few examples. There are tons of factors what gives the one victory in sports. You are just deceived by the fantasy of binary gender "science."

[@SteelBand17]

@@乃-v8g trans-men compete against trans-men. Trans-women compete against trans-women. Fair.

[@CrazyProgrammer16]

This is also a bad thing. You are encouraging countries to have more trans So They Can have more medals.

[@SeelkadoomTHS]

No.

[@captainwin6333]

These two fighters are not trans.

[@bobbymoss6160]

Those are dudes, who identify as female. IOC: We allow it!

[@alexmercer3001]

Genders are based on Chromosomes. Thats it.

[@xx133]

No, it’s not. Notice they and others like them have been competing all this time, 100 years, no problem. All of a sudden, 2024 the right realized they exist so now it’s a problem.

[@xgal-7]

Yes. And the boxer has XY - therefore she is a male

[@xx133]

@@xgal-7 biological s is dependent on the expression of genes, not the genes themselves. Genes are turned on an off based on environmental factors. Gender is how we decide to present ourselves to others in society. So in both cases y are incorrect.

[@Jaime.Lannister]

Finally, someone with common sense

[@Gun-3vv]

fun fact, IOC only use testoteron base test. IBO use testoteron test on turkye and chromosome test on india

[@matafonuatuipulotu2908]

These 2 dudes will be glofied by the rainbow brigades and allies as heroes for bashing up women🤣🤣

[@kylezeng8485]

People should understand the fundamental and the reason of spitting male and female sports, because of the power and body muscle are so different between male and female. The XY chromosome and body muscle are the two key factors to determine whether an individual plays in a male or female’s sport.

[@AprilFletcher-je4ox]

Everything looks masculine

[@teachertom6331]

Look, if you need to do a test to determine if someone is a woman or not - then chances are they shouldn’t be competing against normal women. Why not let them fight in their own category in The Special Olympics instead?

[@angiest22]

How ridiculous..🤦🏻‍♀️they don’t even look feminine🤯

[@joeylimfxz]

You don't either

[@hsuli0607]

Did you test? You may just look like a woman! 😅

[@estebancerra1]

According to their passports, and their history? That's not proof. And what are the IOC's eligibility requirements? Oh not covered. Yet they are attempting to discredit IBA test results. What ever happened to the eye test? The two boxers in question look very masculine.

[@Likeafoxow]

Have you looked at UFC female fighters? They look masculine. IOC eligibility requires that they were BORN women and have been women all their lives. Imane Kheliff has competed in boxing throughout her life as a women, even losing in the 2020 Summer Olympics to Ireland's Kellie Harrington in the women's lightweight division. It's not like she's a nobody with no history. She's been competing as a woman all her life. I don't see the controversy.

[@WkurzonaWrona]

​@@Likeafoxowhe is a man, it's quite simple to understand.

[@maggie198333]

Have you seen any IBA’s proofs. You determine people’s gender by looking at them? Oh, you’re a genius.

[@estebancerra1]

Genius is not required to see what's clearly right before your eyes. This would be the opposite of Willful ignorance.

[@WkurzonaWrona]

@@maggie198333 they were ready to show them, but imane and this other guy said no. Its medialna data, you can't make it public just like that.

[@yz1737]

Disgusting and shameful of ioc

[@steffdia7080]

Corrupt olympics games

[@yuc727]

🇷🇺👎👎👎 🇺🇦👍👍👍👍😊

[@markgarrett3647]

@@yuc727 Slava Banderite Ukrainian😏⚧️

[@kudzem]

Publish your gender test results publicly.

[@DogflyFilm]

Ewa Kłobukowska, Once the World's Fastest Woman Ewa Kłobukowska was once the fastest woman in the world. In 1964, she represented Poland and won an Olympic gold medal, also breaking three world records. However, in 1967, a 6-person medical team from the Soviet Union and Hungary used secret and improper examination methods to determine that Ewa had XY chromosomes. The International Amateur Athletic Federation (IAAF) then permanently erased Ewa's records. In order to clear her name, Ewa chose to end her own life. But she survived and later gave birth to a child in 1968. Starting in 1992, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) no longer accepted this type of chromosomal examination.

[@paunitka7]

Thank you for mentioning her!

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

Well that gives an idea how she ended up the fastest woman. Too bad it may be unfair for one individual but you can not make it unfair for 100 to make it fair for 1. Especially in contact sport. However Ewa did not go through male puberty like these 2 guys did. That was in the 60's they do better testing now.

[@Ai-yahUdingus]

​@@michaelmayer-o3s Are you missing the part where the examination team likely faked her supposed xy chromosom or are you just selectively blind

[@whitefeetcat]

FALSE information! the test result of Eva Kłobukowska was NOT she had "XY " chromosome! Medical publications revealed that Kłobukowska had a genetic mosaicism, an abnormality where one’s cells have a different genetic makeup, which has varying effects on development. The Barr body test was a method used at the time to determine gender in sports competitions. It involves finding an inactive X chromosome in a cell. Years later, it was deemed unreliable because it does not take into account different combinations of chromosomes in the same organism - in biology, this phenomenon is called mosaicism. Therefore, material with a chromosomal arrangement with a single X was taken from Ewa Kłobukowska and on this basis, no Barr bodies were found. Although this body could have been found in a subsequent smear, it was not done. The result was the basis for recognizing that Ewa Kłobukowska is not a woman, so she cannot take part in any competitions.

[@madjdamad5403]

Congratulations for us 🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿

[@syang7775]

It is a shame.

[@AprilFletcher-je4ox]

Mafudile in woman sports

[@harmoneggsarmandlegs481]

The Olympics is a waste of time and money. Way bigger problems than worrying about what these people have in their underwear.

[@victoryv116]

Just make new standards of classification within woman category ..it should not be limited to weight only but also factors like harmones and muscle mass

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

It should not be a different category in womans....it should be nuetral or a special category in mens! as they are men

[@DogflyFilm]

Lin Yu-Ting was born a girl. Her ID card number in Taiwan starts with 2, which is the prefix for females according to the Taiwanese government, and this ID cannot be changed later. I don't understand why a naturally born female is being smeared and attacked by an association with a history of wrongdoing, and why the victim herself has to prove she is not a girl. Moreover, she was born a girl and there is no issue of gender transition. I hope that in future boxing matches, losers won't use gestures like 'X' as an excuse for their defeat.

[@patrickwontor2061]

You need to study this subject more

[@Siyasimünafucksavar]

Troll müsün, her yerde aynı yorumu yapıyorsun?

[@arifsoetanto7533]

@@DogflyFilm she's a female boxer since 14 years old. And suddenly IBA said she should be male. What the f**?

[@DogflyFilm]

@@patrickwontor2061 Explain this, The IBA did not provide the so-called problematic report and falsely accused Taiwan of not wanting to disclose athletes' privacy. However, the Taiwan Boxing Association has already issued a statement that they did not request the IBA not to provide the report. Additionally, during a press conference, the IBA made irrelevant political statements, such as saying that Taiwan is a part of China. This clearly problematic association is forcing the female athlete, who is a victim, to prove that she is a woman. Isn't this absurd and humiliating?

[@patrickwontor2061]

@@DogflyFilm The victims are the athletes they fight. The vast majority of elite female athletes have no problem with a cheek swab or blood test to verify their chromosomes.

[@kingchan7413]

What a shame

[@jamesji6132]

it's like letting a 200lb to fight aginst 100lb person. They should do a testosterone level grouping so we don't have this issue.

[@peterschaeffer]

It's been done. Of course, Imane Khelif flunked.

[@virginiawai8485]

Why does gender needs to be defined in sport? If you have Y chromosomes, you are male. Since when has it become acceptable for people to decided whether they are male or female? If in this permissive age, people can self identify, then sport should have 3 categories, male, female and others.

[@ashamed2Byt]

@virginiawai8485. She didn't make a decision to be female. She is not trans, but she could have a chromosomal disorder or be intersex which happens during fetal development.

[@ryonensherbatsky8290]

A Bull is aware that it is not merely a cow. Now a man is so delusional to not know the difference.

[@oscaryo3583]

Thank you for speaking up mutually toward the episode.

[@rickyboy5274]

They should be banned...

[@mirrorocean3852]

XY chromosome

[@ChuanTeh]

Next everyone can participate in any sports if they think they have the advantage, all male ,female, or the self thinking rainbow, problem solved and also no more dope test anyone can use as much as they can take 😅

[@alexandrogalicia8711]

So y’all don’t notice lin yu tings bicep veins I’ve only seen that on men

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

I agree and noticed the same thing! They are men, they went through male puberty!

[@Nourelhouda-y7s]

I saw it on women Instagram is full with sports chicks with veins

[@sweetsourorange]

“Only men have blood vessels on their arms” is a wild take 😂😂 yall legit think women can’t have blood vessels? Like we’re living breathing creature

[@lunarrize]

@@sweetsourorangefrrr

[@bastianagi7778]

Man winning woman sports 😂

[@鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥]

He is a woman and hates your jokes.

[@bluegamer4210]

Both fighers were women since birth... but I guess even basic facts are hard for you people at this point.

[@yuc727]

idiot😂😂😂

[@fajarkurniawan9434]

@@bluegamer4210 supporting DEI, then said "you people"

[@garymoody4545]

@@bluegamer4210 Lies will not become truth. IBA has confirmed both of them are male in the press conference. What evidence do you have to prove them are female?

[@dragonwing4449]

Easy. Not a woman, not in woman sports.

[@choiwaynekiet]

well then, these two should be allowed because they are female based on their anatomy.

[@bluegamer4210]

She is a cis women and much trans women are also women. You don't have personality align with this and you also don't care about female sport to beign with so why even have an oppinion on a matter you don't understand and chose ignorance.

[@JuMa-m9i]

@@bluegamer4210 Seethe harder you product of siblings

[@kiamfonglen5239]

The two boxer are cheaters knowing that they posses male advantages

[@TerrenceChilds-xz3xu]

Just get a gynecologist to look under the hood.

[@manueluayan6605]

Disqualify them right away.

[@gabriellin1352]

Mommy, why all these men participating in women’s events? 😢

[@鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥]

He is originally a woman. Please don't tell me that he is a man. If it is a joke, please don't say thank you. We don't think it's funny.

[@choiwaynekiet]

but they are not male

[@bluegamer4210]

They're not ur just delusional and need to grow up bukko

[@JuMa-m9i]

@@bluegamer4210 Cope harder

[@michaelkot5387]

@@choiwaynekiet They have male Y chromosomes.

[@nianxu1075]

Lin deserves an apology from the whole world; she was born a female!

[@evil_radfem9162]

Proof?

[@John-ml6yq]

Shame on Chinese Taipei

[@rommeljedpoli6570]

Basis for your allegation please?

[@markgarrett3647]

So where's her proof?

[@pansky7656]

Shame on you taiwan, non existing nation

[@AnotherMartinez]

Please, tell us what the Chinese government thinks

[@delbentley7665]

Are they too scared to fight a male.?

[@maschepot1981]

But, she was a woman from birth.

[@marane-hand]

Why should they?

[@markgarrett3647]

Any sane female is afraid.

[@AprilFletcher-je4ox]

​@@marane-handthere're mafudile

[@pandadaggy2383]

That’s a dude

[@photogomes]

If you have a pickle, or not. I thought it was that simple. Has the world really changed?

[@zenzenitha]

Because there are... intersex, the majority could be easily categorized but for some it has never been "simple" thats why there are some cultures that recognize 3rd gender like the term khunza

[@Sugas_Girr]

​@@wma5440 Pretty well put... 😂👍🏻

[@paunitka7]

You thought wrong, my friend! Biology is very far from simple!

[@SouthChinaMorningPost]

Read more about this: sc.mp/0xz5z

[@flingo5976]

Disgusting

[@berserkirclaws107]

♂️vs♂️ ♀️vs♀️

[@chillkid1465]

So if u use up all your testosterone your testosterone lvl will be low enough to qualify as a man? Is that the solution?

[@mirrorocean3852]

You can suppress it. You can take birth control

[@ramilr.7776]

Get done with it...needs a neuter category.

[@emiliobello2538]

Everyone should be able to be in sports

[@deamy5186]

Everyone can do sports. Who says can't? But competitive one is different topic.

[@Sugas_Girr]

Nobody said they can't compete in sports! They just have to compete with the same category of people that they are, which is XY.

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

Ya, in their own category though!

[@JL-hm7dn]

Both boxers were born female, with female reproductive organs, and their birth certificates, IDs, and passports all state their gender as female. However, they carry an XY chromosome due to a genetic mutation. This mutation provides them with physical advantages over typical females, but it does not mean they are cheating or identifying as male. They were born with female reproductive organs and have not undergone surgeries to remove any male organs, nor have they taken male hormones to claim a male identity. The debate about whether individuals with such chromosomal differences should compete in female categories is complex. While they may have enhanced abilities due to their genetic makeup, it’s crucial to recognize the facts before engaging in discussions. The challenge is how to ensure fairness in competition. Should they compete in male categories or be suspended from sports altogether? This debate requires thoughtful consideration and an understanding of the nuances involved.

[@peterschaeffer]

The detailed test results from IBA/CAS labs and the French endocrinologist haven't been generally released. However, a journalist by the name of Alan Abrahamson has seem them. Of course, they show that Imane Khelif is male, with male normal Testosterone levels. We also have the statement of G. Cazolra (Imane Khelif’s trainer) online (his source was the French endocrinologist). G. Cazolra (Imane Khelif’s trainer) admits that Imane Khelif is male with male-normal Testosterone levels. We also have the IBA letter (to the IOC) online. The actual tests were conducted by Sistem Tip Laboratory from Istanbul and Dr Lal PathLabs in New Delhi. From the IBA letter "Khelif and Lin were informed accordingly about the decision and acknowledged it by signing the papers. The test details were attached to the letter". Note that the labs were CAS approved.

[@easyeasylollol]

JK Rowling is one of the few people who dare to speak out against this horrible phenomenon. Support her.

[@scarymonster5541]

But she's wrong Because these women was born with female private parts but they have xy chromosome

[@peggyliu9689]

JK Rowling knows nothing about Lin Yu Ting but an unpublished report from IBA. Yet you support her.

[@乃-v8g]

If you look at Imane Khelif case, this is not only anti-trans motivated(even though there is no trans people involved in the case) attack but also racism driven. Black women have always been seen as "manly", "powerful", as such. Those Italian and Hungarian opponents used it to attack Khelif. (Edit) okay, people claim Khelif isn't Black. I got it. Let me replace it to PoC or African. Whether Khelif is Black or not is not the critical point. What it is is racism.

[@segineseju464]

Khelif isn't black. You're talking out of point

[@乃-v8g]

@@segineseju464 have you ever seen Black people? How come Khelif is not Black? Well, if you do not want to say she's Black, then replace Black to African.

[@OhTaco77]

Tf u talking about

[@ashamed2Byt]

@@segineseju464 No, but she is brown and muslim. That's enough for racists and Islamaphobes to make negative comments.

[@Amberle1546]

​@@segineseju464 Africans are strong either black or colored.

[@debbiewang5751]

I guess to be fair for all female athletes, they should be allowed to take TRT to have equal testosteroneI level.

[@Sugas_Girr]

Why should female athletes be pressured to f up their own bodies, in order to placate those few men that can't hack it with other men, so decide to crash our categories of sports??? As a female athlete, I'm not turning myself into a roided out she-male, just because people like Khelif and Lin can't accept what they biologically are.

[@DSLRCARPTV]

It's very simple, ask 1 million strangers the photos of both and see the answers!

[@domiloka]

Why people identifying by photos. Since when? What about ladyboy? Are they women by photos?

[@choiwaynekiet]

So you are saying if someone does not fit the definition of what a female should look like, then they are not female and should not compete. GOT IT

[@pwelele]

Today I have decided that I'm a female elephant ❤ It's my freedom ❤

[@xx133]

They literally were born female dude. We are now at the point in trans panic, where women are no longer able to qualify for women’s sports

[@bluegamer4210]

Not how that works, sadly you right wingers are more sensetive on this subject than any SJW is so there no point in reasoning with you.

[@fajarkurniawan9434]

I identify myself as 10years old girl and demand to be included in children competitive sports

[@paunitka7]

And this is what the doctors said, when seeing your body? Because here we are talking about people who were assigned female gender at birth.

[@pwelele]

@@paunitka7 no one can tell me what and who I am but me, only me You have no right to deny my identity, I'm a female elephant 🐘 ... (I say this to show an example of how most people in the US think right now, and yes it's total bs 🤦)

[@ronaldamile7772]

All their lives , were they born as women?

[@arifsoetanto7533]

Her father showed her birth certificate. It's female

[@michaelkot5387]

@@arifsoetanto7533 At birth, the chromosomal karyotype is not determined.

[@peggyliu9689]

don't know about others. Lin from Taiwan has been a female her whole life.

[@Amberle1546]

​@@arifsoetanto7533 in Africa birth certificates can be issued at any age.

[@michaelmayer-o3s]

They have been male since birth but due to doing visual only they were marked as female because of underdeveloped parts. They both went through male puberty and they would have known then that they are male!

[@boonsuanteck4684]

have a trans-olympic for these people.

[@paunitka7]

But they aren't trans. They identify with the same gender they were assigned at birth.

[@johnsonshieh50]

Taiwanese Taipei, not Chinese Taipei!!!

[@MariamMohamuud-py7zp]

I'm so confused why they calling her chinese

[@nuclearblackhole]

Taiwan is a province of China.

[@paunitka7]

@@MariamMohamuud-py7zp Because China's foreign policy is enforcing that.

[@kennyl9464]

It's officially called Chinese Taipei.

[@kun6497]

Republic of China, better?

[@tristetto]

What is Chinese Taipei? Isn’t she Taiwanese?

[@miaozh2993]

Taiwan is part of China. That's it.

[@nianxu1075]

Yes, it's Taiwan. Taiwan and China are different countries, but Taiwan faces pressure from China and can only compete under the name 'Chinese Taipei.' Otherwise, they would be banned from participating.

[@nianxu1075]

​@@miaozh2993 btw, Taiwan is NOT part of China.

[@ChuanTeh]

Chinese taipei is like native Americans and Taiwanese is like American

[@kaichen9903]

Taiwan is never a country according to UN and IOC. it's a country in someone's dream😊

[@megangoldberg]

This silence is getting a little too loud. Let's see if our bodies can speak a more interesting language... with a touch of teasing.

[@ppcbernier9945]

On 4 June that year, Chinese tanks rolled into Beijing's central square, where hundreds of thousands had gathered demanding political reforms. The day ended in bloodshed and to this day it is unclear exactly how many died. Some estimates put the death toll upwards of 10,000. Chinese social media users cannot say much about 1989 or risk getting censored. They refer to it obliquely - one comment simply said "If you know, you know".

[@tiaoyi-bx5yi]

89年，呵呵，35年了。你母亲祭日你都记不住5年。感谢你对中国这么孝顺。

[@arifsoetanto7533]

She's Taiwanese.

[@powerrising4933]

快拉鸡巴倒吧，老调重弹，成天就知道8964的，你们CIA拙劣的伎俩，都过去三十年了还能不能有点新意

[@a0939961277]

@@arifsoetanto7533 There's no difference

[@syang7775]

Only 10,000? How about 100 million? 🤣

[@BuGu16]

I think we should all learn about intersex people. It’s not their fault. They were born like that. Born with female organs and parts and considered as a female at birth because that’s what the doctor see. I feel bad Lin and Imane, but it’s really not their fault. They just happened to have XY chromosomes but have female parts. It’s really sad they’re being bully. I hope people are educated before we judge them. Nobody want to be in their shoe. I wish them the best

[@安居號]

1. No evidence of XY chromosomes or transgender-only “verbal claims” by IBA The IBA organization held a press conference but failed to produce the report. 2. Only one verbal claim (by IBA) without formal report, but all other normal tests were ignored: Lin & Khelif have undergone testing in world-class competitions for so many years, but only the IBA in 2023 ‘claimed’ there was an issue and refused to disclose the test items, while previous and subsequent normal test reports by other fair associations have been ignored 3. The whole thing is a political attack and fake news The IBA is backed by Russian forces, so they’re targeting a Taiwanese athlete disliked by China and Khelif, who once defeated a Russian athlete. Most national boxing associations have already withdrawn from IBA, so they are now trying to get revenge on the IOC.

[@gameralove6418]

so, they have to do this for china? that's very nice of them. I couldn't believe it. is it similar to how the USA, Uk, and many western athletes passed the drug test and then found out they were doping the whole time? where's the news? What i have seen all these time is your country attacking on china. what a joke.

[@markgarrett3647]

Then why didn't the IOC conduct their own tests as well?

[@laurykristensen6239]

​@@markgarrett3647They are claiming science doesn't have a conclusive test. While there are many combinations of DSD's, they could still disqualify on the presence of Y chromosomes. I'd rather see them be "unfair" to .01% of the population than 50% of the population. (estimated)

[@lynnm6413]

Do you have eyes in your head? Those are dude, male puberty can‘t be denied

[@peterschaeffer]

The detailed test results from IBA/CAS labs and the French endocrinologist haven't been generally released. However, a journalist by the name of Alan Abrahamson has seem them. Of course, they show that Imane Khelif is male, with male normal Testosterone levels. We also have the statement of G. Cazolra (Imane Khelif’s trainer) online (his source was the French endocrinologist). G. Cazolra (Imane Khelif’s trainer) admits that Imane Khelif is male with male-normal Testosterone levels. We also have the IBA letter (to the IOC) online. The actual tests were conducted by Sistem Tip Laboratory from Istanbul and Dr Lal PathLabs in New Delhi. From the IBA letter "Khelif and Lin were informed accordingly about the decision and acknowledged it by signing the papers. The test details were attached to the letter". Note that the labs were CAS approved.

[@FFFMedia910]

I don’t know how Yu ting can sleep soundly after beating up a woman.

[@peggyliu9689]

I don't know how you sleep soundly after bullying Yu Ting on KZbin when you don't know anything about her. Oh except for the UNPUBLISHED chromosome test from IBA

[@ArnoBach]

@@peggyliu9689 false

[@miaozh2993]

​@@peggyliu9689He was tested XY and banned from world competition. Is this enough?

[@peggyliu9689]

@@miaozh2993 since you’re so cute, I’ll let you in on a little secret. Ever heard of the Polish athlete Ewa Kłobukowska? Probably not, judging from your not-so-intelligent comment. She was a sprinter who competed in the 1960s and won a gold medal in the 4x100 meter relay and a bronze medal in the 100 meters at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics. Kłobukowska was disqualified from competition in 1967 after failing a gender verification test, which revealed that she had an intersex condition with an XY chromosome pattern. Despite the disqualification and the controversy that followed, she later gave birth to a child, which challenged the assumptions about gender and biology at the time. Her case played a significant role in the ongoing debate about gender verification in sports.

[@葉子-y4q]

Lin Yu ting was born a female; your wrong accusations are attacking a true woman. Before considering the IBA claims, please take a moment to understand who is behind this organization.

[@davebergsma1403]

Unfair

[@andreschang8526]

Lin Yu-Ting 林郁婷 is Taiwanese. She is NOT Chinese. Taiwan is its own country. Lin Yu-Ting 林郁婷 was born female. She has never called herself a trans woman. She's always competed as a woman. She competed at the Tokyo Olympics as a woman. The International Boxing Association, IBA, said she failed a gender test but also said the specific reasons she failed the gender tests are confidential. Lin Yu-ting 林郁婷 is a Taiwanese woman. End of story.

[@llkk290]

Does your country have diplomatic relations with Taiwan? ~ His chromosomes are XY, male.

[@andreschang8526]

@@llkk290 Who has XY chromosomes? Please provide evidence with link. My country, the US, has de facto diplomatic ties with Taiwan. They just give it a different name so they can be friends with China. & the truth is, China & Taiwan & the US are friends. There are many Americans living & working in Taiwan & China; there are many Taiwanese living & working in China; & there are many Chinese living & working in Taiwan.

[@yapsiauwsoengie6507]

He is chinese and has Y type chromosome period

[@japjungho4645]

why bother arguing with a stateless fa...

[@r.a.8618]

There is no country in the world named Taiwan. They're calling themselves Republic of China but the United Nations only recognizes the People's Republic of China. They're competing in the Olympics by the name Chinese Taipei. And Lin Yu Ting was born as a man. You cannot argue against facts.

[@privacyhelp]

Feminist: ni hao..

[@fundingsecured7072]

To be fair. Mandarin is Taiwan’s official language.

[@Amberle1546]

😂😂😂

[@NatureWonders709]

IOC is 🤡 Not even check chinese swimmers lol

[@irs4486]

womp womp

[@liviamartins1805]

Chinese swimmers were the most tested, I think you’re mistaking, IOC don’t test westerners: the purple face squad

[@llkk290]

Like your mother keeps complaining.

[@NatureWonders709]

@@llkk290 yr mother is cheenk?

[@fungj4126]

They should be banned for poor test record

[@Hkchinese888]

Fun facts: No. of gold medal, Five Eyes: 59 BRICS: 25 No of medal, Five Eyes: 195 BRICS: 80 🤣

[@Hkchinese888]

Population: Five eyes: 480 million BRICS: 3300 million 🤣🤣

[@tiaoyi-bx5yi]

Five Eyes Alliance gender number 97. Number of BRICS countries by gender 2.🤣

[@Hkchinese888]

@@tiaoyi-bx5yi 2+1 trans from Taiwan. 🤣

[@tiaoyi-bx5yi]

@@Hkchinese888 The island known for its scammers?🤣

[@Hkchinese888]

Fun facts: ASEAN, no. of gold, 2 no. of medal, 8 population: 600 million 🤣🤣

[@wenoyang6571]

I think the ability to have children gestation life, is to judge a person is a man or a woman, women give birth to children gestation life is a great maternal love. Why the Earth is called "Mother Earth" and not "Father Earth"

[@Ai-yahUdingus]

So by your logic women with fertility issues aren't women? 🙄 Y'all keep narrowing the definition of womenhood to suit your needs.

[@EyaTatarkioti]

mono pu epitrapi agonas sizitisis jiro den arkun asevia apati

[@khon6339]

did she he lose on purpose so they dont get back lash, want see there medical records physical records the whole 9 yard

[@bluegamer4210]

Ur creppy

[@Ozymandiusz]

It’s not like it came from nothing. You wanted that, you got it. All that woke BS so now as they say: you reap what you sow.

[@alanliang9538]

whats the X sign suppose to mean. everyone has X chromosomes

[@r.a.8618]

Why not let all the real women in the world vote and ask if they're prepared to compete with male-to-female persons in women's sports?

[@鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥鞥]

Can't you see that he is originally a woman?

[@ashamed2Byt]

what is a "real" woman?

[@peggyliu9689]

oh hey! 8618 again! how much time do you spend on KZbin? Keep it up! Google needs you!

[@PhuongThiThanhHang]

Proper gender standards should be introduced into sports. Ever heard of Immersive Translate?? It's a tool that supports real-time subtitles and generate them for videos in foreign languages. With the subtitles, you fully understand the video content and naturally learn a foreign language while watching.

[@eklim2034]

Alpha Male Event Beta Female Event Spectrum Event

[@NatureWonders709]

Chiese female athletes also looks like males👍

[@misterbig9025.]

@@NatureWonders709 in cheenk land it's impossible to distinguish male and female. Male have very small sticks 🤣

[@NatureWonders709]

@@misterbig9025. but 1.4 billion people 😁

[@xenotbbbeats7209]

Dudes.

[@segineseju464]

I identify as the president of USA & Russia 😂😂😂

[@menghong3669]

She is a girl, in Taiwan all the male have to go to military which she didn’t . Stop bullying her without any facts. IBA still doesn’t want to provide any evidence due to （protect the personal privacy）😅I wonder why.

[@xinyuanlong-f6m]

I apologize for the men from Taiwan Province of China participating in the boxing match!!! Sorry we stole your gold medal!!

[@Charles_Sun]

Anyone with a little scientific sense knows that the only evidence that distinguishes men from women is chromosomes

[@ALLTake-v2p]

XY x2

[@耶律阿宝墩]

I feel bad for the real woman who got destroyed by this dude.