Southern's Class 313. Their Days are Numbered. Rumoured to be leaving Southern at the end of 2022

30th June 2022
Southern's Class 313. Their Days are Numbered. Rumoured to be leaving Southern at the end of 2022
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[@hamsterplayspetsim]

I live around the area and a member of train staff (the guard) said they were going out of service in May 2023. 😢

[@owenbuddery3441]

A farewell Marauder needs to happen I been on the class 455 farewell south London marauder & I enjoyed the day

[@AnthonyFurnival]

Agreed! I enjoyed chasing it around that day!

[@owenbuddery3441]

@@AnthonyFurnival I was on the maurauder charter train mate

[@AnthonyFurnival]

@@owenbuddery3441 I opted to film it instead, I’ll probably do the same with the 313s if they do something similar

[@chrisrowe7503]

Most of those on Southern are the ones that were used on Silverlink for decades. Those lines their top speed were 45mph. They have since been used on Southern at their top speed of 75mph. As the traction motors are very old and they were used to travelling at such a slow line speed, their traction motors apparently keep burning out. They are quickly running out of parts to replace them. They weren't built to travel so fast on the third rail. All of their journeys at high speed have been on the overhead cable.

[@EM-yk1dw]

They were only designed to run on DC at 30 mph on the Northern City line Drayton Park to Moorgate.

[@omsi2310]

It sad news, because I took them for 2 years, everyday to College and back. Their motor sounds will always be one to remember. Let's hope that they stay a while longer, recently saw 3 at Chichester, so they're still around... for now.

[@EssexWolf1993]

I recently rode on a Class 313 from Brighton to Chichester. Only gripe was that on the return journey, the 3 coach train was extremely packed from Angmering to Brighton.

[@EM-yk1dw]

There won’t be any improvement, no replacement stock just a recast of existing unit diagrams.

[@waleedarif6740]

I'm doubtful about them leaving this December. For years, even way before the northern ones got withdrawn, I've been thinking that if they get the most positive upgrades, they could be in service until as late as 2029. However, let's not be ungrateful. These are aged now and they have been treated with honour. I'm sure they will be missed.

[@BPMR]

Since the video was posted, it's looking like some units will remain in service after December 2022.

[@EM-yk1dw]

They still look relatively modern, I cannot see why they don't replace the 313s with the ex West Anglia Class 379s which are a little over ten years old and all in store.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@EM-yk1dw they are worn out heaps of crap.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@EM-yk1dw 379s are not equipped for 3rd rail operation.

[@ConnorRichards73109]

I went to ride some the other day because I know there soon being retired so I thought why not go down to Brighton to ride them while I still can and someone told me at the station in Brighton that there not retiring in December but in March 2023

[@matthighley1461]

I hope there's a railtour. The 455 one was an absolute blast and I imagine the 313 one will be too!

[@AnthonyFurnival]

Completely agree! I chased it around that day and had fun doing so!

[@harryelliott4310]

Southern Class 313

[@andrewganley9016]

Can you see todays platic lasting this long? answers on a postcard to...!

[@zaklegge-willimas6982]

I live in littlehampton and I travelled on the 313s to go to Portsmouth Brighton and bogner I found out that when my friend ciran who has a channel told me that they were going out of service and I didn't know if it was true so I believed him because he knows a lot about trains

[@313rail]

Ok so for 313s to go on December 10th it needs 1. 701s to be delivered so they can replace 707s 2. 707s fully do service and replace /5s 3. Southern buy /5s and replace them.. They have got 6 months for this to happen

[@johnrobinson1843]

Can't come soon enough. No toilets, uncomfortable seating, too hot in the summer and too cold and draughty in the winter.

[@EM-yk1dw]

At least you can get fresh air with opening windows.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@EM-yk1dw fresh air comes from the gaps in the doors!

[@geoffrandall186]

There has already been a farewll tour when these were withdrawn on Great Northern. Just thought I would mention it but not to say that Southern will not have their own farewell tour

[@shapikai6431]

Any video as to when SWR would bring their new stock 701 on the suburban network. Thank you.

[@BPMR]

Not sure when they’ll enter service yet. But they have been out testing recently

[@PFCtaylor95]

I think 313 201 is due to go to the rail museum in York. It’s already in it BR blue. Can understand why they are going but will miss seeing them along the West Coastway and Portsmouth Direct Line. Need them to be replaced with something worth seeing. Perhaps a VEP or CEP or a CIG looking with electric doors and a modern lift

[@OldFloatingSeaman]

Not as far as we know. Unfortunately, it is far from its original state. Seats and inside changed, and no Pantograph and associated controls.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

313201 is proof that you CAN polish a turd !

[@EM-yk1dw]

@@OldFloatingSeaman That will all be refitted when it goes to the NRM

[@limwaik]

I saw Wiki said there’s change unit will be preserved is unit 121 from Network Rail (last unit with dual pantograph & shoes), which is instead of original unit 201.

[@EM-yk1dw]

Everything will be short formed when the 313s go, just like after the 455s were withdrawn.

[@BenTaylor.]

Don't know what could replace them a RailTour would be Nice we shall see what Happens

[@AnthonyFurnival]

Whatever happens, they will be short, so far as I can see… the rumour is that the Southeastern 377s will transfer to Southern when the remaining 12 707s move over from SWR. But this is only 20 - 30 units which doesn’t fully replace the 455s, let alone the 313s. Additionally it is rumoured that the 379s could go to GWR and 387s to Southern but I’m not sure how much substance there is in that rumour.

[@Kandlelite]

On southerns website it says The Southern Class 313s are expected to be withdrawn at the May 2023 timetable change … I have no idea what with BUT it seems they are getting more 2 and 3 carriage class 170 versions and the old Greater Anglia 379 sets are available

[@steveluckhurst2350]

GA 379s are a different voltage.

[@Kandlelite]

@@steveluckhurst2350 UPDATE ITS 377/8 Not 379s as thought

[@bb-3653]

It is sad, but...If they do get new units, send a mix of 377/1s and 4s to the coast and use the newer units to connect the city and coast..(i hope it wont be boring aventras maybe CAF ,stadler or some alternitive alstom product that looks retro designed to look like a classic UK train...like a mk3 317 or networker ..something more appealing to the uk train crowd 🙂). Or have southeastern give back the 377/5s It means they can bring some of their 465/2s back into service to share the Gillingham services with the /9s and or Ashford services. It can also give southeastern a reason to have the class 707s fitted with toilets so the can go down to Ashford too free up some 465s for metro/suburban journeys too. So they have a nice mix of trains.

[@OldFloatingSeaman]

Some of the 387 coming back from Northern, South Eastern Units coming back and they are looking at stock from South Western railway.

[@bb-3653]

@Howey010 I don't think tell replace the 357s. I'm not sure what's gonna happen

[@transportfilmerhitachiat200]

May I ask please where's the shot at 0:18 I quite like it

[@BPMR]

The shot was taken from a train inside the Newhaven Town Yard.

[@transportfilmerhitachiat200]

@B.P.M.R oh i see, thank you for your info, as I didn't see any space on Google maps

[@AnthonyFurnival]

The issue I think will be a shortage of rolling stock - they’re already down 40 or so units from the 455 retirement, unless they do get the 377s from Southeastern or 387s which have been displaced by 379s or something like that, the removal of so many units seems incredibly short sighted.

[@EM-yk1dw]

The 379s will end going for scrap, like the 365s, outrageous.

[@AnthonyFurnival]

@@EM-yk1dw looks that way - there were plans last summer (and may still be) for GWR to take them on but I don’t see it happening myself. They’ve put out a tender for 30 units to go at 110mph to boost the London - south wales capacity. It’s been suggested the 379s could be used for that… issue is they are 100mph ops which would suggest either they are used to displace 387s from the Newbury/ Didcot routes or they are upgraded to match the 387s. Alternatively they could go to GN to free off 387s from there… but I’m thinking it’ll all fall by the wayside and like you say, they could be scrapped which would be a travesty.

[@EM-yk1dw]

@@AnthonyFurnival Indeed there is no planning in today’s railway, just wasting money, for example look at the GWR 769 farce. The Southern 455s were withdrawn with no replacement and I gather there have short forms and overcrowding ever since.

[@AnthonyFurnival]

@@EM-yk1dw Yep - I think the assumption was that they’d get the 377s from SE, but SE won’t release anything until they get the 707s from SWR, and in turn they won’t release them until the 701s care in service. It’s farcical - I hate to say it but renationalised railways and a sensible fleet rationalisation plan is the only real way forward now.

[@EM-yk1dw]

@@AnthonyFurnival I agree Anthony, I did hear or read about the Class 377s being sought after by Southern as replacements for their 455s but as you quite rightly say it all depends on the 707s being released to SE for them to release anything in return, and as for the SWR Class 701 debacle…well the less about that the better I’d say!

[@ZtITrainmad]

Maybe Southern might replace the 313s with the units they replaced originally back in 2010 the 377/3 trains, that would be the logical move cos stations like aldrington and fishersgate are only long enough for 3 car trains and i can't see southern extending the platforms at those stations

[@steveluckhurst2350]

Give that man a prize!

[@Kandlelite]

ZT they are doing just that

[@GTRRailwaysTrainspotter]

They are going to 100% be withdrawn on. 23rd May 2022

[@GTRRailwaysTrainspotter]

95% well I’ve heard drivers say

[@GTRRailwaysTrainspotter]

2023*

[@buzzukfiftythree]

Can't say I'll be sorry to see them go. Never found them particularly comfortable to ride in when they were used for a while on the Tonbridge-Redhill services some years ago. But then passenger comfort is not something that Southern/Thameslink pay much attention to these days. The 'ironing board' seats are alright for a journey of a few stops, but travelling from Brighton to London or further north is not a particularly comfortable experience.

[@MrGriser]

Those weren't 313's on the Tonbridge line they were Class 508's!

[@MrGriser]

@@C20F Class 313's were dual voltage while 508's were third rail only!

[@EM-yk1dw]

@@MrGriser 508s had Brush electrical gear too.

[@313rail]

It is confirmed December 2022

[@Southerntrainspotter315]

I have heard nothing and i have been chatting with staff recently

[@ashleyjiscool]

The staff were chatting to me on the railtour and they said it dead Around September October November and of corse December

[@313rail]

@@ashleyjiscool I spoke to a driver too and he said definitely December Timetable change

[@ashleyjiscool]

@@313rail ok

[@313rail]

@@ashleyjiscool now it's may 23

[@wam2610]

👍

[@thepanman2024]

Honestly would be great if southern invested in new stock by replacing these with d trains.

[@Southerntrainspotter315]

Hopefully not 😢

[@VascoRoblox-yp5rw]

I agree. Also because they are ex silverlink trains.

[@AnthonyFurnival]

Agreed though sadly l do think their days are numbered.

[@ianmiller9842]

Good riddance as as I’m concerned! I travelled on one last week and it filthy, smelly and generally disgusting!

[@NJRD977]

As a regular passenger, the sooner these heaps of junk are gone the better. Sweaty in the summer, cold in the winter, uncomfortable all year round and lacking toilets for journeys of up to 90 minutes (Brighton to Portsmouth). The Electrostars they replaced should never have been moved.

[@EM-yk1dw]

@@NJRD977 The Electrostars are stuffy, air conditioning blowing germs everywhere. Nasty sealed boxes on rails.

[@OldFloatingSeaman]

From an engineering perspective, there are no spares available and they are looking at decommissioning units, so they can be cannibalised to keep the others running. From a passenger perspective, there should not be trains without toilets on a modern railway. Short trips, fine, hour and a half to Portsmouth from Brighton, not so good.

[@ciala51]

Who else wants to stop the retirement of these 313s? And make sure there safety is assured

[@EM-yk1dw]

Yes please

[@Kandlelite]

NOT ME HATE THEM!! No toilets no disabled access good riddance southern have carted 8 off to Eastleigh for scrap today bye bye

[@EM-yk1dw]

@@Kandlelite Good luck when Southern short form everything upon their withdrawl like they did when they withdrew the 455s. and having toilets is just another thing to get vandalised. The 313s are 47 years old, I can't see the 377s lasting that long.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

Only the saddos with rose tinted specs!