P0171 Dodge Dakota

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South Main Auto LLC

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@stephennorthcutt8874
@stephennorthcutt8874 5 жыл бұрын
I have a Dodge Dakota that had the exact same problem. Manifold to pipe broke loose. Manifold bolt holes were broken on one side. I went to Orileys to find a solution and they had no idea what to do about it. So I came home and started going thru your videos and found the split flange video. Exactly what I needed. You even had the part number so I screen shotted it and showed them at Orielys. They got it the next day and I fixed it myself in the driveway! I really do appreciate how you show everything and explain it. We need you in Kentucky 🤪 Thank you and keep up the good videos. God Bless!
@chosipian
@chosipian Жыл бұрын
Excellent solution to this truck problem and I learned about these walker flanges.... Thank you!
@3347861
@3347861 6 жыл бұрын
Eric, I really appreciate the fact that you do excellent work while at the same time maintain a realistic attitude when it comes to overall vehicle condition and customer wishes. You're a credit to your trade. Not everyone can/will rebuild their vehicle. Many just need it to keep running for a while. You've got a big heart and a ton of common sense. Thank you for what you do.
@JTIZZO
@JTIZZO 2 жыл бұрын
I love watching these old videos. LOL! Hoping it will help us speed up the evolution of our channel, but they are neat to watch you being "more formal". My brother ran over a propane tank once! That's arguably harder than a ladder I think. Ironically, the truck was fine, but every time we go to get the propane tank filled they tell us "this is the last time we are gonna fill this" (because of the damage).
@klwthe3rd
@klwthe3rd 7 жыл бұрын
I didnt realize those flanges existed. And I would have never thought to call Walker to inquiry about it either. Great insight Eric O. In this case it was totally feasible and smart to use that clamp. Doing right by the customer is the SMA motto!
@Stevme0001
@Stevme0001 3 жыл бұрын
I can't get enough of your videos. So I'm going back into the archives. Love this one.
@nicknicu1787
@nicknicu1787 10 жыл бұрын
Dr O,I gotta tell you : this is the most entertaining repair channel available on KZbin! Bravo! You have a great sense of humor man,I never get bored! I know this is a repair channel but I've been laughing my ass off the whole time!!! The comment about the car missing something brought me to tears! 😂 Bravo Bravo!!!
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Haha glad you enjoyed it...wait if you are entertained does this make me a male entertainer?
@nicknicu1787
@nicknicu1787 10 жыл бұрын
Yeah,that ladder she said she went over,was probably the driveshaft machining itself and disintegrating off the car,while messing up the exhaust in the process! LOL! 😂😂😂
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Lol could have been haha
@psychoaries9135
@psychoaries9135 4 жыл бұрын
@@SouthMainAuto i have a 99 durango 5.2 last code before someone stole the battery was p0171 nothing else. About 8 months before the code popped up i had put a brand new exhaust on. Only thing i didnt replace i believe was the headers (cant remember been over a year now) what should i look to do to fix this issue? I dont want to get rid of it cuz i love the damn thing so just been sitting around trying to find the cheapest fix any ideas?
@jasongraham882
@jasongraham882 10 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a toolbox tour. I have a birthday coming up and need to figure out what to get myself lol. Really enjoy your videos.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Haha shoot... just get one of everything right? Well the rumor in the 100th vid for SMA Channel might be a shop / box tour....
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 7 жыл бұрын
So funny with an interesting, educational, practical diagnosis and fix.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 10 жыл бұрын
"Flamethrower package" hahaha good one! Looks like all that extra gas getting injected into that bank was burning up in the manifold...California Emissions lol. And those two-piece flanges have saved my ass more than once now...both times on Subarus. Sure is faster and cheaper than welding on a new flange!!
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Yeah they seem to work pretty good and sure saved this girls bacon this go around.
@sharonr3684
@sharonr3684 10 жыл бұрын
one of the best show keep going and thank you for every thing ,we love your show god bless you thank you
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it :) Thanks
@anthonytui6774
@anthonytui6774 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Eric. Never seen one of those flanges before. Been living on a rock literally 😂. Good to know
@billrimmer5596
@billrimmer5596 9 жыл бұрын
Great video. Excellent solution for an expensive problem!
@wtbm123
@wtbm123 10 жыл бұрын
I have used some of those and the laminated ones , some are not easy to install but seem to work ok
@longfieldcommercials
@longfieldcommercials 5 жыл бұрын
Clap o flange,now that would be brill if it’s available in the U.K.,thanks mr o.
@Mustang3x6
@Mustang3x6 10 жыл бұрын
Man that truck is rusted out. Great videos.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
She sure is...
@philh9238
@philh9238 9 жыл бұрын
had an 02 sensor intermittantly sticking didnt throw any codes caused very bad drivability problems. one day just got bored started looking at data thats when i caught it. trims even looked good. all is good now. dang chevys
@SteveRobReviews
@SteveRobReviews 10 жыл бұрын
Nice 👍 did you notice where the ladder hit the exhaust , is that a normal thing in NY to hit ladders on the road.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Bahaha, Hey if you come outta hibernation and head south you watch it coming through NY, I guess you just never know when you may run over a ladder... When I talked to her the story I got was she hit it in her driveway and it blew the tire so she has the spare on it now and the exhaust has been getting louder for a while she tells me... like 6 months. I think it finally must have just let go is all.
@SurvivalInFlames
@SurvivalInFlames 7 жыл бұрын
We call em split flanges, pretty handy.
@samrugtiv3839
@samrugtiv3839 3 жыл бұрын
Dam good job eria. Sam
@kuuuba777
@kuuuba777 10 жыл бұрын
if you want reset min/max scale you have to go back and again click on data. I don't have Verus of course but I saw this on Scannerdanner channel;) greetings from Poland!
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Hey there Poland :) .... Yeah that is how I do it. Just wish they had incorporated a easy click method of doing it ya know..
@WCSPete1
@WCSPete1 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant mr O...
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao is basically equipped with the flame thrower package 🤣🤣 Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
@markferraro5250
@markferraro5250 10 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks for sharing
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks For Watching :)
@samd410
@samd410 9 жыл бұрын
Where is your shop. I need some car repair. I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
Sam Daik We are located in Steuben County NY
@DanaDana-tm2mo
@DanaDana-tm2mo 4 жыл бұрын
Pcv valve bad? Hoping changing mine will help with the smokin'
@martinarrieta7779
@martinarrieta7779 10 жыл бұрын
bueno que encontre tu canal es muy bueno grasias
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Yo no hablo español pero gracias
@dans_Learning_Curve
@dans_Learning_Curve 5 жыл бұрын
"Long barrel" aka BIG NASTY! LOL 😂
@waynehutchinson1423
@waynehutchinson1423 4 жыл бұрын
I am assumming the 4 wheel drive doesn't work that well...LMAO🤣 good one
@michaelherbert8213
@michaelherbert8213 10 жыл бұрын
Great video. I didn't know they made those thing-a-ma-bob's. Good to know. I have a 5.9 magnum with an exhaust leak. Sounds bad ass. Yeah it's not getting fixed, lol. I wish it had the flame thrower though. I'm on Long Island waiting for some more snow. I'm tired of gettin rained on under cars. The drips always seem to find their way down the back of my neck.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Oh man I am so over winter. Nothing beats salt water running your arm pits, your back and the crack of your ... well you know what I am sayin haha. Remember loud pipes save lives
@wysetech2000
@wysetech2000 10 жыл бұрын
Not a huge 4.7 fan but they sure sound good.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
yeah they sure do :)
@johnralston5818
@johnralston5818 6 жыл бұрын
... Good Job, Eric !!... now... i think my car has a 'miss' in it, however, it could be a 'mister'... how can i know fer sure ? ;)
@jhoncalderon2760
@jhoncalderon2760 6 жыл бұрын
Eric, I have a dakota with same engine; an 04. I have a p0430 and p0420. I also had an exhaust leak which i fixed with the same clamps you used, but the codes never went away. I then replaced the 2 downstream o2 sensor and it took the codes away temporarily. Now the codes are back. I dont know what else to do.
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
Great repair As Always Eric O just some simple exhaust leak and flame thrower action @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
@MyLevelheaded
@MyLevelheaded 3 жыл бұрын
dodges are typically pretty loud and this one was no exception...changing oil more often and using the lucas additive 1/2 quart with every oil change helps the chysler/doge run 80% quieter which of course means she is aging gracefully/
@joeacfalle2380
@joeacfalle2380 9 жыл бұрын
I didn't know this existed. I was always quoted to replace the whole "sha-bang", thanks for this information. Okay, now for the joke...Is that your handy work on the passenger side front and rear fender (outside wheel weld)? Or are you going to also tell your customer that you found visible rust going through the metal? LOL
@tonyslawncare
@tonyslawncare 6 жыл бұрын
Subscribed bro super great and funny
@douglasdailey5998
@douglasdailey5998 3 жыл бұрын
You have the same hat or cap that i have the only thing is that my cap is brand new. I think that it Oakley cap .
@puffstuffu2
@puffstuffu2 10 жыл бұрын
forgot to tell ya that u are doing a super job. luv your sense of humor. where did u get all your patience from? damn if I only had half as much.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Hahaha patience yeah right... that's what my wife said as she read this...
@DillonTurner395
@DillonTurner395 5 жыл бұрын
Open headers baby!
@abnergaldos8695
@abnergaldos8695 5 жыл бұрын
Wondering if a 2005 dodge Dakota w 200k miles for $800 is worth it and what should I be looking for
@puffstuffu2
@puffstuffu2 10 жыл бұрын
off topic: I was wondering if u have checked out rockauto? I realize a lot of times u cannot wait long for the parts. I hit a deer a few months ago. had to replace headlight assembly. got the assembly with the low and high bulbs included for $55 delivered to the door! found it hard to fathom. same as o.e.m. -2000 Avalon-
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah I know about rock. I like to do as much biz as I can local but I have use them for a few items here and there. Advance auto and Napa here local take care of us pretty well.
@mopardave4935
@mopardave4935 10 жыл бұрын
I have the same exact truck haha! Man what a pile of trash she is lol! I have to do the same thing with my Y-pipe, but i also have that god awful tick from BOTH manifolds. That's going to be a fun little project. I just got back from a little mini florida vacation and these trucks rarely have this kind of problem down there... It's incredible of how good cars look with no rust down there!
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Oh I know right!? Makes you wonder what breaks down there. I was surprised this one didn't tick. Kinda shocked me really.
@leozevlas4257
@leozevlas4257 3 жыл бұрын
very impressed with videos and checked to see if your shop is local, its not. been a mechanic long time but still learning, 70 now. presently running 2010 dodge dakota 4.7 truck. only thing different from stock is magnaflo exhaust from cat back 5 years ago. check engine code 2098 came on although runs well. put blower into exhaust from tailpipe and sprayed soap mixture over all connections. finding front connection just behind cat leaking and fixed, still 2098 code. checked all induction for problems, none found. replaced o2 sensor downstream of cat with mopar sensor, still 2098. i don't have knowledge or possesion of test equipment. i hate losing a fight. before bring to a shop checking wiring for its integrity is my next, any suggestions anyone.
@jgeorges3061
@jgeorges3061 10 жыл бұрын
hey ERIC I, done one off those a month ago and was a good fix as yours but there were no code. Question though same engine new battery when engine on battery volt 14.5 V engine off voltage in the dash when is specially cold goes to 10.5 and check gages light comes on but the car start fine and I done ACC the test says good battery and starting system. Always enjoy ur video and thx for sharing.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
So your saying KOEO the check gauge light comes on and the dash voltage says 10.5 is that right? But running it is a ok?
@jgeorges3061
@jgeorges3061 10 жыл бұрын
NO,I am saying KOEOF the dash voltage goes to 10.5 and the check gauge light comes on but it start and runs ok and when start the battery voltage stays on 14.5 and thx for the fast reply.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Oh if KOEO the dash gauge goes down and the "check gauges" light comes on (which it should always KOEO) and starts fine with no troubles, no lights I would suspect you are OK. If you are relying on the dash gauge for accuracy, don't. If you suspect a problem to to break out the real DVOM and do a little testing.
@jarinwilson9539
@jarinwilson9539 10 жыл бұрын
j georges The voltmeter reads 10.5volts, check gauge light illuminates. There is a main battery feed going to the Integrated Power Module(fancy name for a power distribution or fuse box) What I have seen in the past is that someone over tightened the nut on the stud and now the stud actually turns inside the fuse box(connection problem, especially with the vehicle moving. An intermittent voltage drop can easily cause the symptoms you are describing. Keep in mind, I saw this freaking years ago, so my memory may be a little "dusty" I hope that helps
@John_Ridley
@John_Ridley Жыл бұрын
Ladders on the expressway are not uncommon. People have them on racks on their trucks and forget to tie them down and they fall off. I've been lucky enough to be there with very light traffic, the truck not in sight, and the ladder hasn't been hit yet, and gotten 2 free ladders!
@mikemassegrafixshopmike
@mikemassegrafixshopmike 7 жыл бұрын
did you get away from using the verus? in some of you're newer videos I see you using the autel
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 7 жыл бұрын
Because the Autel knocks the socks off anything Snap-on
@mikemassegrafixshopmike
@mikemassegrafixshopmike 7 жыл бұрын
South Main Auto Repair thanks for the response back, I've been wanting to get myself an autel I've head good things about them and have used my bosses a few times
@samuelbane6743
@samuelbane6743 9 жыл бұрын
As always, great video! What device/product are you using to veiw your data?
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
Snap-on Verus is my scan tool if that is what you mean?
@samuelbane6743
@samuelbane6743 9 жыл бұрын
South Main Auto Repair Yes that is what I mean....thank you!
@phalanx66Satan
@phalanx66Satan 6 жыл бұрын
How do you reset the long term fuel trim on the dakota?
@projectgarage-matthenick6476
@projectgarage-matthenick6476 5 жыл бұрын
Was there anyone on the ladder she ran over??
@Austin-316
@Austin-316 6 жыл бұрын
Ive got the same color dakota except it's a 99 with the 5.2
@scottcrowley9422
@scottcrowley9422 Жыл бұрын
did you ever sort yours out? thats what I have going on with mine
@markyoung2793
@markyoung2793 8 жыл бұрын
I have a 2001 Dodge Dakota I have had to fix the exact Manfred botes
@maximumbuilt9260
@maximumbuilt9260 3 жыл бұрын
What do I do with a code po171 by chance to fix this problem
@heathcalvert1319
@heathcalvert1319 4 жыл бұрын
Got the same code p0171 on my 1999 durango I have replaced all the sensors on the top of the engine replaced the upstream o2sener & the downstream o2sener put a new cat from Flowmaster on it a new muffler 🤔🤔 & still got the p0171 code
@scottcrowley9422
@scottcrowley9422 Жыл бұрын
Did you ever get yours sorted out? Im having the same issue
@donnierobertson3088
@donnierobertson3088 4 жыл бұрын
Second time watching 6/25/2020
@johnfleece3672
@johnfleece3672 9 жыл бұрын
I have a 00 dodge Dakota SLT Quad cab 4.7L and it blows black smoke, like more than my buddy's cummins kinda black smoke! I can't figure out why?
@justinp8946
@justinp8946 8 жыл бұрын
Sounds like it's running very rich if it's pure black
@vincebauer4777
@vincebauer4777 7 жыл бұрын
Ran over a latter omg i cant stop cracking up to funny
@greygoosemafia
@greygoosemafia 9 жыл бұрын
burns oil! piston rings.> blue smoke. but the dodges have the intake plenum issue.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
+Richard Cowtails well this style intake does not use a plenum pan.
@greygoosemafia
@greygoosemafia 9 жыл бұрын
LUCKY! LOL I'nm still fighting with mine. going on the 3rd time now. any suggestions? lol taking my intake to a machine shop to test for warpage this time. calibrated armstrong torque wrenches... I' m all out of ideas about now lol. I screw this up the shop, here I come lol.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
I dunno what your doing wrong, it is a pretty straight forward job...
@greygoosemafia
@greygoosemafia 9 жыл бұрын
I'm taking it to a machine shop to make sure it''s not warped this , time around. I didn't have torque wrenches before, did my feel. That obviously wasn't the key lol. Bought some Armstrong, ones. any good?
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
Prolly anything is better than a guess right?
@routeoneauto
@routeoneauto 9 жыл бұрын
Being in the other Socialist State of Illinois, I've always been skeptical as to why we haven't other than Chi Town, subscribed to The CARB Standard. I have been prepping for 5 years, waiting for the hammer to drop. Good common sense legal fix. Thanx, I didn't know those existed.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
+routeoneauto I just started watching prepper channels actually.
@routeoneauto
@routeoneauto 9 жыл бұрын
+South Main Auto Repair I'm prepping for the oncoming emissions standards that are bound to migrate to my part of the woods, I'll deal with the survivalist issue as it comes to me. I have one Bullet, hopefully they will have brought me more.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
Ah got ya, yeah the CARB stuff gets old in a hurry ... and we have lots of bullets.....lots and lots haha
@frugalprepper
@frugalprepper 8 жыл бұрын
+routeoneauto I was calling about a generator the other day. There were two that looked identical and I didn't know what the difference was other than about $50. They said one (the more expensive one) was CARB certified. I was like "What? Is the other one fuel injected or something?" I hadn't even heard about the CARB thing here in Ohio yet.
@puffstuffu2
@puffstuffu2 10 жыл бұрын
I guess your wife would know you better than me! lol oh so it is just a show u put on for the camera - truth always wins out!
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Nahhh I'm cool as a cucumber :)
@rexanderson5458
@rexanderson5458 6 жыл бұрын
Why not keep a journal of cars and codes and solutions to fix cars quicker?
@stephenphillippe3936
@stephenphillippe3936 Ай бұрын
Autozone has the 2 pieces flange !!
@christopherwise7067
@christopherwise7067 4 жыл бұрын
old video, new comment, i would have ground off some of both sides of the new flange and that would have closed the gap in the opening enough to actually fit. now i do understand that you could ground off more then necessary and made it to small. but this would have still been okay...
@christopherwise7067
@christopherwise7067 4 жыл бұрын
when i got my '97 dakota a couple years ago, the passenger side flange was completely disconnected. it was stupid loud. i would have to shift early to keep it quiet. i replaced both flange bolts cause the nuts were missing and it was instantly quiet. i got lucky the flange was still good. i did get the truck from florida but i don't know where it came from before that.
@puffstuffu2
@puffstuffu2 10 жыл бұрын
ya you do seem to have the right temperament for this type of work. just giving u a hard time
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Well early on in my career I would get pissed and throw me a few tools here and there lol. I found later in life all that does is lose tools and require you to still have to fix the car just now your pissed off fixing a car instead. If ya loose your cool... just walk away. It will be there when you get back ya know...
@fordresurrectionest9556
@fordresurrectionest9556 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem on my Durango. I turn the A/C to recalculate to keep exhaust from coming in. Lol!!! Nap time...😴
@matthewsmith2971
@matthewsmith2971 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to message me I got questions about my Durango
@Valde3333
@Valde3333 10 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it a common knowledge that ladders cause bad luck? :D
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Yeah but she drove over it not under it....
@thomvogan3397
@thomvogan3397 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, definitely sounds like a hybrid. Too funny
@blacksharkswimmer3729
@blacksharkswimmer3729 5 жыл бұрын
common problem on 4.7. My 06 Dakota has manifold leak on driver side
@asavage1576
@asavage1576 9 жыл бұрын
Lol hell ya. Damn ladders.
@philh9238
@philh9238 10 жыл бұрын
when a car has a maf sensor and its running lean most of the time you can clean the maf sensor. but what can you do for a car that uses a map sensor? does the map control fuel trims??
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
MAP is just one of the inputs that is used to help calculate the fuel trim. Hope I said that right. The PCM is actually what calculates fuel trim based on inputs from 02 mostly. The 02's are the real key players that tell the story as to weather or not it is rich or lean.
@lovetolearn5253
@lovetolearn5253 8 жыл бұрын
if she would of came in to my shop and said when she stops at a light and has to turn the heat off because she gets sleepy I think I would of countered with maybe try not to drink at every stop and that should fix the issue that's a quick 75$ diagnostic. lol that's the first I herd of the sleepy symptom
@73superglide62
@73superglide62 9 жыл бұрын
ps i seen ladder on freeway brand new one but be die if when out to get
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
+73 SUPERGLIDE Gotta be quick man!
@73superglide62
@73superglide62 9 жыл бұрын
like quick draw mcgraw
@brakedd
@brakedd 9 жыл бұрын
I hate using split flanges!
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
brakedd No choice in this situation...
@brakedd
@brakedd 9 жыл бұрын
South Main Auto Repair Oh I understand that, $$ for a Y pipe is ridiculous and often split flanges are the only way to fix something VS replacing it entirely.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 9 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah especially when the vehicle doesn't have much time left in it ...
@johnmckamy6398
@johnmckamy6398 8 жыл бұрын
flame thrower for sure.
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 4 жыл бұрын
Yep tell me I had bought a calicat for the right side my xterra from az and when the cat went on the left I went to get another and suddenly I couldnt buy one and that's when I learned that the parts clowns are stacking the deck with those non approved cats telling you oh you can buy those in nys so I went and ordered a calicat for my left side xterra
@63256325N
@63256325N 6 жыл бұрын
900th like! Whaahooo....
@ouarkie
@ouarkie 5 жыл бұрын
Thumbs down, I wanted to keep the flame thrower option.
@kiIIjoy25
@kiIIjoy25 9 жыл бұрын
That damn phone im unsubscribing...jk hahah
@jackjacke4654
@jackjacke4654 7 жыл бұрын
No i can't do it. I don't have the stinking computers you do... grrr. guess i'm just staying an old school mechanic. blows.
@Drew99GT
@Drew99GT 10 жыл бұрын
Diagnosis: women driver! I kid, I kid...
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 10 жыл бұрын
Lol just gotta watch out for those ladders around these parts :)
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