Southport riots: how has the police lost control? | SpectatorTV

[@lynclarke6184]

There we go again “knifed to death” - they were MURDERED.

[@armyreservist0]

Samething my 🤪 friend Do you also argue when cars are referred to as vehicles or when cats are referred to as felines?

[@asystole_]

Murder is a legal term. Nobody has been convicted yet.

[@steadyeddie7]

Good to know we have a judge in the comments section

[@kdog3908]

Media outlets can't call it 'murder' until someone has been convicted of it. They're, legally, covering their arses. Not trying to hide anything maliciously.

[@attaxiaffxi7033]

the levels of brainrot on display in this particular comment

[@dan1231123]

In the last two weeks: - Roma gypsy riots in Leeds. - Bangladeshi riots in Whitechapel. - A British soldier stabbed in Kent. - Two men attacked firearms officers at Manchester Airport. - Now children have been stabbed in Southport.

[@jamiebrooks3864]

@@dan1231123 and media can't work out why working class shown them who they supposed to work for

[@jonathanlake6053]

@dan1231123 And they blame right wing propaganda,Time they moved on to another country where they can inflict hatred.

[@theoabun]

dont froget police attacked in southport

[@obisan666]

​@@jamiebrooks3864The working class do not represent the UK... they represent themselves and their own way of life which doesn't sit well the educated class.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Going to hell in a handbasket.

[@jonnyups2312]

They don't need anti disinformation units. They just need to tell the truth and do what's right

[@wolfhugs2221]

Agreed.

[@dianecameron137]

yes they do people giving out false names even false religion getting people to crowd for fights with the police

[@attaxiaffxi7033]

The problem is people can't discern for themselves what truth is.

[@jonnyups2312]

@attaxiaffxi7033 people have done so for thousands of years. Sometimes we get things wrong for a while but in the end, the truth wins out every time.

[@buggerlugz6753]

@@attaxiaffxi7033 - absolutely. The internet allows whatever narrative fits at that moment to BE the truth.

[@andrewhotston983]

The police lost control of London after October 7th. They ran away from rioters in Leeds, but strangely stayed to be injured in Southport. Perhaps they've learned from Hamas that taking casualties can be useful when the opposition comes from the right source - the "far right", in this case?

[@allansmith3837]

Well you can label me Far right Racist what ever you want it means nothing anymore. All because these people don't want their country turned into a third world shit hole and their Children murdered so go ahead with the stupid words RIGHT IS RIGHT AND TRUTH WILL ALWAYS BE TRUTH BUT WRONG WILL ALWAYS BE WRONG.

[@Sjoldschool]

Well observed and very well said

[@hen5555]

History degree from the university of Douglas Murray?

[@Thanatos6]

​@@hen5555Most likely. These people are so uneducated and racist. An embarrassment.

[@sidgibson5414]

@@hen5555 Please explain?

[@buggerlugz6753]

British people are literally fed up with the media and those in power refusing to tell us the truth.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

And what is the TRUTH?

[@steadyeddie7]

You wouldn't recognise the truth if it slapped you in the face. Look on social media. No-one is interested in the truth and that might include you and the majority of the British public. Intelligence and conscience is going backwards.

[@mikehunt4265]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX that we are being replaced

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@mikehunt4265 Don't be silly. As the song goes "There will always be an England". Brits have been colonized by the Celts, the Romans, the Anglo Saxon, the Vikings, the Normans. They are still around and will be for a very long time yet. These migrants will move on to Ireland, then to Canada. Lots of spaces in Canada.

[@SUBCITIZEN666]

@@mikehunt4265 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@curiositycloset2359]

Mention the man, of a certain persuasion, who arrived at the vigil with a machete.

[@andykerr3803]

And a balaclava, it seems? It seems his presence in the police van triggered a "problem".

[@theoabun]

perhaps he was there to protect the mosque from the uneducated racists

[@jonathanlake6053]

No apologies from this man regarding the police also being assaulted from his group last week.

[@0xhinchin816]

@curiositycloset2359 people keep saying this but when I ask for a source they go blank, are you the one whose gonna say where this lovely tidbit of information comes from?

[@samgrange4263]

Why does it matter if someone was in the crowd with a knife? people mourned whilst others rioted... It's not a reasonable response to riot as soon as one person has a knife. That is straight up weird.

[@joelpacheco7360]

Everyone is entitled to a.homeland except for Europeans. I think that narrative has collapsed.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

This is just the "empire" coming home to roost.

[@chico9805]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX Interesting how only Europeans are to accept their own replacement, because they had empires.

[@nickelmouse451]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIXI don’t think the UK should be an ethnostate, but your point makes no sense. Each nation is in charge of their borders; it’s our choice whether we enforce them. So it’s wrong to act like this is a logical consequence of empire - it’s a political choice by our representatives. Also, much of our immigration isn’t even coming from ex-British Empire countries. E.g. a significant proportion of recent illegal immigrants have been from Vietnam - an ex-French colony. Even they chose not to stay in France! Why? Because asylum in the UK is more desirable. So, no, revenge for empire isn’t a motivating factor.

[@DG-iw3yw]

@chico9805 They dont, for a long time it was only the rich and affluent members of the empire that would come to the uk, its no longer the case. We can pretend this is a race thing, but this is more about the inequities the empire has created globally with relative poverty being the worst it has ever been... The people are not to blame, not for welcoming those who flee, or those who do flee, its the politicians who sell weapons to both sides of conflicts and cause instability across the planet, they are the real problem, the fact is that racial mixing does not replace a people, it simply widens the genome, then the new genes get assimilated. Already most europeans are a mix of many different people that have traveled and moved around the world, so the idea that anyone is being replaced through integration is just for morons like you...

[@aleccap5946]

49 Muslim countries to go for a home land, these illegal migrants don't come here to integrate or become British they come here for one reason. To take over, and labour is allowing this to happen

[@Jd007-b8q]

You never condemned the Muslim riots those poor girls were murdered and could of been a lot more you and the police are what's wrong with the country shame on you

[@bluemoonranger1983]

@@Jd007-b8q you are the problem with this country...don't like it then go elsewhere...you tried to rule countries and murdered and stole, reap what you sow in the context that everyone has a right to be here that came through the correct criteria. Without all these people that have worked hard to make a life for themselves Britain would be economically fooked without all these "foreigners" whilst majority of the English people sit on their arses claiming benefits instead of trying to make something of themselves.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Is there any evidence of M**$1im Complicity? Now I know why the British have an amazing legal system. Left on their own without their system of laws, the locals become r@ging mobs.

[@northwestcoast]

* could have, not could of, for f’s sake how many times do morons need correcting over this?

[@iamjacktravels]

@@Jd007-b8q Are you talking about the Roma gypsies riots in Leeds?

[@iamjacktravels]

Which riots? Christian Roma Gypsy riots in Leeds?

[@michaelmoran2022]

Two tier policing in britain

[@theoabun]

yeah they wasntt stamping heads and tazing people here when they got attacked

[@fazertace6837]

@@theoabun Musrat lover

[@daleboyce1567]

@@fazertace6837 great contribution

[@HighPriestessUk]

@@theoabun you really didn’t see the FULL footage of that incident yet did you …

[@michaelcoward1902]

Meanwhile, in the real world, police spies are documented as infiltrating mostly left wing groups...but of course that spoils your "I'm such a victim" narrative doesn't it?

[@michaeldeath7430]

Media crap. Police politicised and British people gaslit and shit on.

[@steadyeddie7]

Aww your poor victim of misinformation and uneducation. Although nice bit of racist phrase cherrypicking!

[@thatsjustprime8096]

​@@steadyeddie7You utter mug, labour voter by any chance, shame on you🤔🤣

[@davesmith2331]

Why arent they reporting on WHY the people got angry ANOTHER Muslim carrying a knife heading for the vigil ?

[@romah6059]

@@davesmith2331 don't spreading bullshit

[@SunniAthari]

​@@romah6059they can't help it. These people are partly responsible for spreading misinformation, causing unrest and getting the innocent hurt

[@davesmith2331]

@@romah6059 7/7 , Westminster, London, Manchester, Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Stockholm, Boston? STOP spending YOUR bs

[@AnonymousBosch]

@@romah6059 All you have to do is check the paper websites, I saw it last night. Man 32 carrying flick knife from the Standish area. Photo’s certainly suggest he is from a Middle Eastern origin.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@AnonymousBosch Check out a photo of that Great British Crossbow Artist, Kyle Clifford. He is a dead ringer for an ME origin too. And he is British Army to boot. BTW: Are you suggesting that the 17 year old in police custody is not the stabber because that 32 year old man is? And while your acribing blame for the mayhem in Southport, who torched the Mosque? Spontaneous Combustion?

[@Ex_Muslim_Sahil_Adam_Zafar]

Deport deport deport

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Deport who? Do you even know who the perp is?

[@apebass2215]

​@Tiglath-PileserXIX his name has been leaked through online forums, including the names of his Rwandan parents and the date they moved to Cardiff.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@apebass2215 So what is the name? Britain has dozens of media sources; name one.

[@davidtoshack4451]

All we hear about is the "far right thugs" ......what about the normal people who are furious at what we can see is going on but the authirities are not acknowledging.

[@Thanatos6]

Lol "normal people" they are all far right racists.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Well who do you think burned that mosque? It cannot be the ordinary residents of the town. Somebody's got to get the blame. This is all a blame game.

[@adambritain5774]

They’re the far right thugs! Didn’t you know…!?

[@RhetoricalMuse]

Do you have data on how you know 'normal people' what ever that means, are 'furious'?

[@davidtoshack4451]

@@RhetoricalMuse I'm pretty normal, wibble wibble, the people I speak to at work, among friends, people I know in Scotland,England, wales and ireland, who all seem pretty normal to me are saying the same thing. Fed up with what we can see is happening but the authorities won't acknowledge

[@anthonyluna352]

Two-tier police Two-tier media Two-tier government

[@moonstone5565]

they are traitors

[@isobelmiddleton6353]

Couldn't be more obvious

[@OutrageDuck69]

change the record Mary

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Yeah, had it had been a church or a synagogue that was burned the arsonists would be in jail. In this case they are still free. Two Tiered policing.

[@OliverCampbell-f6x]

0:22 “…where 3 young girls were ultimately knifed to death at a dance class in t the Merseyside seaside town of Southport, BUT what I’m really concerned about what has taken place in the aftermath of that”

[@eds-egg]

The talking point in the media has become "how do we control the Internet". After David Ames was hacked to death in his constituency office, most MP's talked about him as if he had passed away from natural causes, and went on to blame social media.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Yes. Very clumsy. He's a good guy though - doing good work against extremism and Islamism.

[@eds-egg]

You don't need to be a "conspiracy theorist" to be able to recognise a pattern in the nature of this violence which is quite new to Britain, which almost always concludes in a particular set of outcomes.

[@RichardEnglander]

3:20 no Rakib, the Mosque was targeted because there was ANOTHER wannabe jeehadist who was going to the vigil in Southport armed with a blade looking to spread more love. You need to check your facts too

[@SingWhileYouMay]

@@RichardEnglander Surely someone has that on video? Plenty of people present at the riot can be seen filming with rheir phones? Or were the holding them up to get a better signal? Where are the videos?

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@SingWhileYouMay I have seen that video. Obviously that man was foolish to hang around the area in the middle of all that emotion. He obviously did not unalive the girls; but the locals could care less.

[@RichardEnglander]

@@SingWhileYouMay the video and stills are online. I can't post images here. Go look

[@RichardEnglander]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX nobody claimed that he killed the girls, you miss the point. As said he is ANOTHER person, not the child killer. It was very clear. Cope harder

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@RichardEnglander And what was the point? Why was the mosque burned? Why all the hate and vitriol against a particular group? Turns out the perpertrator was neither m*slim, a migrant or from the middle east. He was born in the UK and was an aspiring star in an advert for the very Britsh BBC. The British have become a group of naive, excitable, gullible and violent natives. Just like those natives they loved to portray in those black and white oldies.

[@tonysherwood9619]

Funny how you blame social media after all that misinformation/disinformation the spectator has been spouting!

[@MattFinch-f2w]

Totally fed up with this nonsense.These pair are clueless.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

So pray tell us what you know.

[@CastrolHondaSP2]

Totally fed up with ignorant leftists constantly defending them as well. ^^

[@thatsjustprime8096]

​@@Tiglath-PileserXIXI know your part of the problem, son🤔🤣🤣

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@thatsjustprime8096 Cut the wokish word salad crap. Tell us what the problem is. You guys all hint about it but you never say what it is.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@thatsjustprime8096 The person who unalived those girls is not a m*slem, an asylum seeker or even a foreigner. He was apparently was born in Wales and starred as an extra in the very British BBC advert. Are you going to accept the truth and apologize for that burnt mosque in Southport? I bet you won't

[@floodedcuts101]

These two really got the tone wrong.

[@buggerlugz6753]

tone deaf, the pair of them.

[@dmac3183]

You saved me making that comment, seems off somehow.

[@sallylovatt3521]

@@floodedcuts101 because their agenda is Social media, dis/misinformation. How to silence more people, why that's "the right" thing ho do. Why were those men angry, not of course condoning violence. But Why? Is any one asking??. Just keep using any and every opportunity to attack people with no impetus to explore the cause. And what were the motives for the attack? It's so tragic the whole thing. The media have climbed right on top of their high horses. Shame. Bless those girls.

[@ryansweeney1661]

What do you expect from the left

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

And what is the right tone?

[@arajananbittapu8204]

Most country refused to acknowledge the danger of extremist mindset of a particular species.

[@steadyeddie7]

Species? Lmfao

[@SunniAthari]

It's amazing how this narrative is still being linked to Islam when neither the killer or the one arrested with a 'machete' (actually a flick knife) that neither are Muslim even though so many were saying his name was Ali and a Syrian refugee but hey your discrimination trumps truth and would rather make up lies to serve your agenda and use the story of innocent girls killed as an excuse spew your filth, disgusting!

[@steadyeddie7]

@@Bbbbbbbbbbhhhhhhh they must be only the skinny people who worship Allah!

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Don't forget the l*nch m0b. They already torched a mosque and assaulted police. Sounds illegal to me.

[@anonnymous4684]

The hooligans species. Very dangerous, as we're witnessing at the moment.

[@davidjoy7654]

He mentions the murders and then says. What really bothers him is the riot. That is the bloody problem with such attitudes I give up.

[@just_another32]

what concerns him in his piece that he wrote for UnHerd - ie, what his focus / topic is

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Obviously the riot has nothing to do with the murders. The perpetrator is neither muslim or a migrant or from the middle east. How do you folks justify the torching of the mosque?

[@RichardEnglander]

Why aren't the police talking to 'Community Leaders'? Who is representing the White Native English people? We hear a lot from the police speaking to 'Community Leaders' in Rochdale and Harehills and Whitechapel, where are ours? What are they and where did they come from? We never used to have them did we? Who is my 'community leader' and how do I speak to them? How do they know what I think so they can represent me? Can I be a 'community leader'? Do they get voted in? Do all communites have them or just some? How do they work out which communities get these leaders? How do the police/government know who is a community leader? How are they selected? Aren't the politicians and council 'community leaders'? I honestly don't know and don't get it. The 'community leader' thing just appeared and I have never once heard anyone in Legacy Media or government speak about or question this idea itself. Has anybody any idea about this? It makes no sense to me. Somebody make it make sense please. Questions to power Quoting Tony Benn: "What power do you have, where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system.”

[@jonathanlake6053]

Very true, & now we are suffering the consequences.

[@steadyeddie7]

White English native people, are you a comedian or just a straight out racist?

[@adambritain5774]

You just have to accept that if you wish to go bat for other members of your race and you’re White, you’re going to be called a Nazi.

[@adambritain5774]

@@treez439 None of those three will do anything for White people.

[@iainlee4274]

I think that's a great question and point you made.

[@deborahflack9958]

I don’t think the police are going to come out all super dupe shiny from this. There is TWO TIER policing. Stop with the propaganda. Of course it’s all OK when the propaganda is from your side.

[@fredo1070]

The colonised have the right to defend themselves from the colonisers.

[@Theonewhoknocks408]

Oh boo hoo does that give the right for them to come over and murder innocent people? Are you an extremist then with your mindset?

[@steadyeddie7]

Where not the colonised once colonisers numbnuts, or did your ancestors just appear out of thin air, or from another planet maybe!

[@jojolina7]

You are the problem

[@reliableandrew]

Who?

[@manuag3886]

Oligarch-run media which tries to replace class war with race war. Together, we are stronger. So they try to divide us. Propaganda rags like the spectator are a key to the destruction of the working class.​@@reliableandrew

[@chico9805]

​@@reliableandrew You.

[@jusatesst]

@@chico9805 for the most part, you can't blame someone for not knowing something they don't know, they just asked a question

[@Sjoldschool]

@@reliableandrewliberal happy clappy brigade and the religion of peace along with the woke government and police list is long but it’s all the left leaning WEF supporters and woke weirdo’s.

[@curiositycloset2359]

The police oporate in dangerous circumstances for the same reasons those three girls operated in a dangerous environment.

[@stephenbrown4211]

So what were the three girls operating? And is a Taylor Swift dance class dangerous?

[@curiositycloset2359]

​@@stephenbrown4211 yes, it is dangerous, obviously. And the police oporate in the same dangerous circumstances. We all oporate in these circumstances now. This is the new normal. Get used to it.

[@attaxiaffxi7033]

@@curiositycloset2359 it doesn't have to be the new normal if you aren't a defeatist knucklehead

[@teresabelshaw4262]

The police are trained up in protecting themselfs but these little girls didnt😢😢😢

[@andykerr3803]

Babbling quisling... Who was inside the police van? An islamic with a balaclva and machete? At the vigil? Answer evasive wordsmith.

[@SunniAthari]

Just like how many spread misinformation of the person who killed the girls was from Syria, a muslim, and spread a name Ali. None of this is true, just like this other person who was arrested was a muslim carrying a machete when it was a flick knife nor confirmed a Muslim. Anything to hyperbolise and distort the truth. It just leads to hatred and harm for the innocent

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

How do you know he is what you think he is? Check out that amazing crossbow artist, the very British Kyle Clifford. He is a dead ringer for one of them.

[@anonnymous4684]

It's been confirmed that this person was a white English man named Jordan Davies, who was on his way to join the rioters. He has a sun-tan and a beard so 'patriots' assumed he was Muslim.

[@SunniAthari]

@@anonnymous4684 the silence is deafening

[@intenz59]

Sending Starmer and that idiot home secretary to give their indifferent platitudes was WRONG! It was as much to blame for the rioting as anything.

[@thehowlingmisogynist9871]

You mean Starmer who let Saville off the hook? And, Yvette Cooper; Domestic Violence Offender/Husband Beater? During a row over the language used by someone Ed Ball commented that if he had spoken to Yvette like that, she would have 'lamped him' - husband battery!!?

[@colinatkins271]

The English defence league hasn't existed for years!

[@shelleyscloud3651]

They’re just using it to try to stitch up TR. Idiots don’t realise he’s the only person who’s managing to keep a lid on a lot of the anger.

[@AlanKenny-y8e]

Whether it's EDL or Reform, it's still the same loony thugs.

[@theoabun]

did you get that from the media... as they said the taliban was finished and america had won that war till they took control of afghan...

[@Thanatos6]

Are you living under a rock? EDL is the biggest racist movement in the UK and is still very active. Look it up. Don't talk nonsense if you don't know.

[@bluemoonranger1983]

@@colinatkins271 these were tommeh's sheep that believe everything he says..bit like radicalisation of the few brain cells they have left. The same Tommeh they give donations to who gambled them away.. yep he is taking the great unwashed for a right ride.

[@Aloh-od3ef]

It was people from outside the community is pure lie. I’ve watched the unedited video. Everyone there had a LOCAL ACCENT!

[@daspallacommunity4594]

Muslim or not, the perpetrator is the product of a tsunami of immigration imposed against our will for decades at this point. The fact he is second generation makes it even worse in my view. Genocide was all the rage in his parents home country of Rwanda. Colour me surprised that when you import enough of the third world , our society will increasingly resemble the third world in its barbarity and savagery. That's before we even get onto the disastrous consequences on housing costs, public services and wages. We have every right to be angry and the time for putting up and shutting up is long gone

[@oliver6257]

How does it make it worse? And do you have any evidence that his parents supported genocide in rwanda? Because if you think that stopping all immigration will decrease the cost of living you are so fatally wrong you shouldn't even be having the discussion.

[@Marvin-dg8vj]

You are blaming millions of people who are actually born in this country for the actions of a deranged individual . This is incitement..You are excusing people throwing bricks at the police and looting a shop

[@douggraves4482]

@@daspallacommunity4594 Southend-on-Sea yesterday.

[@apebass2215]

​@@Marvin-dg8vj there are millions of second-generation immigrants in the country already? No wonder there's a problem protecting British culture and values.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@Marvin-dg8vj This is how a certain Adolf came to power in the thirties. He solicited to the common denominator of "h@te" under the guise of patriotism. Works all the time.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Things only began to get this bad since the mass immigration from none European regions started. some Cultures don't mix.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Yup. The French don't want them so they move them on to Britain. Why don't you move them on to Ireland?

[@malcolmstockbridge2569]

Didnt stop us trying to rule 75% of planet earth !

[@romah6059]

Uneudcated and jobless guys basically looking for an excuse to vandalise and bully whilst feeling sorry for themselves so blaming immigration

[@prosl11]

True but because you lot invaded their countries that why they come to England

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@prosl11 I'm sure their neighbours had invaded them many times before Britain ever got there.

[@vicwhowasbad]

How would a social media company know what the truth of a situation is in order to "police" the speech...

[@DontuseGoogleorWiki]

Naive, they have had for years algorithms that detect key worlds. On YT child.ren is an algo trigger word. Why, bc they are currency to the elites

[@jennifermcdowell2478]

The Islamic community are treated differently to the general public. Where are the charges against the thugs at M/C airport? Just because he was from Rwanda does not mean he has not been radicalised. What about the 2nd man in the mosque?

[@buggerlugz6753]

there won't be any because the police don't want to be seen as being racist so they'll not be charged.

[@EaglesNest1984]

@@jennifermcdowell2478 the man at Manchester airport was released without charge after two attacking female police officers and breaking ones nose. Go figure.

[@bluemoonranger1983]

@@jennifermcdowell2478 I wonder what your employer would think of your comments? I'm sure every company has a equal opportunities policy and you seem a closet racist. Let's see if your employer recognises your face and name..on FB.👍

[@EaglesNest1984]

Just so you know the Manchester airport guy was released without charge. Go figure.

[@bluemoonranger1983]

@@EaglesNest1984 so? .... What's that prove?, many people have been released mainly white for crimes committed but no one opens their gob. Just because it's a coloured person you all jump on the bandwagon, enjoy your takeaways, foreign holidays, driving foreign cars whilst messaging on your foreign made phone.

[@michaelblackmore4332]

Its a fact. We're seeing violent attacks by particular ethnic groups. This guy needs to be honest

[@williamsafari6437]

the riot police were in southport but not in leeds ? did they not want to OFFEND THE 12%. EVERYONE IN POWER IN THE UK HAS TO BE HONEST AND TREAT BRITISH PEOPLE WITH RESPECT & not with contempt. Where is the story of the guy who was arrested in southport with the machete ?

[@86Brasco]

Can someone explain how this isnt terror ? The definition of it ?

[@Thanatos6]

Terrorism means when a person commits acts of violence for either political or religious cause. The Southport attacker is not a terrorist. He did not carry out the attack with political or religious motive. So, by definition it's not a terrorist attack.

[@86Brasco]

@Thanatos6 they ruled this out very very quickly I see. Hope they aren't just protecting against pre trial prejudice. The part were I get mixed up is using violence to create fear which is what this is too

[@RhetoricalMuse]

@@86Brasco Rwandans are mostly Christians. So apart from that connection there really is no other.

[@86Brasco]

@@RhetoricalMuse can also be classed as an action to intimidate the public. Aka Domestic terrorism then

[@lr6477]

They still claim they don't know motive! ​@@Thanatos6

[@RichardEnglander]

Has anybody observed any differences in the way the police responded to the riots in Harehills, Rochdale and Whitechapel and then to the riot in Southport? The tactics and levels of enthusiasm seem different. Instead of leaving them to cool down the police went in, it made for some good photo journalism that's for sure. 39 officers injured? Sounds like they should have retreated there too, the reason why there weren't 39 police injured in those other three riots is because the police didn't go in, not because the riot was small/peaceful etc Do we think that perhaps these double standards could infuriate even more people? One of the things about English culture is our massive boner for 'fair play', it would appear that the people have had enough and got-hard. Or am I misreading things again?

[@moonstone5565]

our government are traitors to this country

[@cosmo6235]

Given that some people in Southport were scared to even leave their homes - ummm good thing they did ? Good photo journalism you say, but maybe some people are genuinely in shock and could use some reassuring? I don't know if you live in those certain towns or just sharing an opinion, either way - I shared mine too. The news also said that even police dogs were injured, not just police officers, just a by the way. I say thank goodness for those people, they're doing their job at the end of the day and some people breathe a bit more in peace for it.

[@cosmo6235]

@@moonstone5565 they were different police departments from different counties, Lancashire has not seen much in terms of the riots ravaging the country over the past 2 years, so when it finally happened they acted in regards to the threats, as all arrested so far haven't been locals (all but one) they've been people from the surrounding big cities using a vigil as an excuse to trash a town none of them lives in. It's disgusting how they acted so setting a new precedent for how further riots should be handled is not a negative as many people were injured, homes smashed up, people's garden walls broken to bits so their bricks could be thrown at police, cars burned, shops robbed. English people!? Locals who did nothing to bring such violence to a small town and are still in shock over what happened. All police should act accordingly in future

[@Prospero-z1s]

​​@@cosmo6235without immigration we'd have no problem. I grew up in the 60s and 70s and this didn't happen on a weekly basis, cw is coming and it can't come soon enough for me.

[@cosmo6235]

@@Prospero-z1s I don't know what CW means ; the immigration road isn't one I'm keen on going into but okay, I see your point. However, people will migrate (whether one likes it or not) and at the end of the day - people migrated for spices ? Hate begets hate, and hate mongering does exist - I stand on the side of : I don't care where you're from, don't harm people. Self defence is self defence (I don't want to get into a debate of this either, he or she who reads this and is confused - use common sense ?!) but at the end of tjw day if one leaves their home to cause harm - I'll blame that on the person, not the country where the person came from; could you imagine how narrow minded one would be if we all thought this way ? Let's put the human in humanity folks, live and let live, enough is enough. Hate has won plenty of times, how's if empathy and compassion wins as well ? PS - I'm an immigrant 🤨 best not to open this subject further, some immigrants leave their country so they have a better life, not to do other things (edit : not to cause harm, in case it needs to be explained 🤨😐) I cannot believe I even had to type this, but hey, you never know innit 😬 Keep it together folks, live and let live. Adopt the "make love not war" if one can't keep one's anger in check

[@johntaylor5968]

Wrong to blame police, but when a government will not react to a problem the public eventually and inevitably will .

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

And what ought the government do? You folks LOOVEE to criticize but what are your solutions?

[@susanwright1999]

This is most definitely defending a certain group

[@buggerlugz6753]

defending the indefensible.

[@theoabun]

yeah the whites not one person here was stamped or tazed for attacking the police

[@CyrilSneer123]

​@@theoabun Leave Britain, you're not welcome.

[@mattyboydabest97]

@@theoabun You're absolutely delusional, do you really think that?

[@malcolmstockbridge2569]

@@theoabun so easy to forget that point....and sadly a lot of those rioting were not there out of thought for the poor people involved the day before...they very much had their own agenda and for me they are as sick as it gets.

[@ceejay1952]

Nigel is right in what he said and asked of the two police forces involved in the strategy that took place in Southport and the attempted murder of the soldier! I’m both instances th police said it wasn’t terror related but why does a black dude travel miles from home to try and murder any soldier he came across on the street. Also, who is this 17 year old and why has he murdered 3 kids? In the US authorities can you give a full rundown of who and what happened but in the U.K. police keep it to themselves and then wonder why folks riot.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Nigel lied. He promised Brexit will solve the immigration problems. It did not. There are more of them than ever.

[@RhetoricalMuse]

*why does a black dude travel miles from home to try and murder any soldier he came across on the street* That's a good question and speculating isn't facts. *Also, who is this 17 year old and why has he murdered 3 kids?* He is a dude born in Cardiff withRwandian heritage. Why? Again, good question, and the reaosn has yet to be deciphered. The same question can be asked of Lucy Letby. We still don't know why?

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Nigel lied about Brexit. He promised to fix immigration. Its now worse than ever. He is just another politician.

[@leeebbrell9]

i watched live, i didnt hear any other area ascents, and i watched police shouting with batons raised who then start pushing to much, people ended up pushing back and it all kicked off at the front line. 5 metres back the majority people where laughing chatting about how bad the police are handling this, saying it will kick off if they continue.

[@tindrums]

One feels sorry for the Brits. Their culture land and civilization is getting eviscerated

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Karma is a b1tch.

[@jenniferevans4874]

Turning you off now can’t stand this nonsense you are spewing

[@7john7able]

The problem is we can do the maths and time and time again when there is violence on our streets it's not our people doing it. It's not racist or disrespectful to notice this and point it out and ask for something to be done about it. What is very disrespectful is to ignore the facts and disregard the people's concerns. This is why the far right is gaining support and there our riots because the system isn't acknowledging the facts of everyday life in multicultural British.

[@lisaaxelsson9970]

The only thing good / insightful about this interveiw was the comment section

[@willtaylor6112]

First thing is everyone goes on about the attack, and not about the male that was arrested outside the mosque with a machete. All I've seen in the news is that after the vigil people attacked the mosque

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

They are looking for anyone to blame. Anyone will do.

[@willtaylor6112]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX no it's always 'right wing' that's the scapegoat

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@willtaylor6112 So why did the good local people of Southport torched a mosque? Or are you suggesting that the police or the mosque parishioners set that fire? Perhaps you are suggesting that torching the mosque was the right thing to do. And the good local people are not to blame for the violence and the arson.

[@willtaylor6112]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX there was a knife man with a balaclava and a machete that went to the vigil, he was chased there. People are annoyed with the attacks on their children and women, can't say I blame them and would the government listen to the public?

[@willtaylor6112]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX I'd also say it more than likely wasn't local people, to assume it was is silly. It's angered a lot of people from across the UK and many auditors and independent journalists went there to film.

[@hezkyden]

Three young girls have been knifed to death and what this fellow says he's MORE concerned about the local reaction to that, police silence and to how Twitter exacerbated the whole tragedy??

[@Omegawow89]

This is the price for protecting criminals unfortunately. Eventually people will get fed up and take things into their own hands.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

What criminal got protected? Its people like you that keep lawyers employed.

[@mikedudley4062]

We learned that immigration is a serious problem and it's reached breaking point that society is willing to take its own action, as politicians have ignored the Electorate

[@tzrrsdave]

But they let the Manchester 2 walk free

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Starmer announced an emergency meeting about Southport riots. Nothing about Harehills or Manchester...??? 🤔🤔🤔

[@mincemead2027]

Disappointing analysis from the spectator; your much better than this one sided hand wringing

[@michelleb3698]

Clearly not. I had a look online earlier and it's not a main feature.

[@beammeup8458]

I suggest that suppressing information has lead to riot and disorder. The British public should be mature enough to deal with the truth of the situation. Treating them like idiots will provoke idiotic reaction.

[@doctorbobcat7123]

>There's been an awful atrocity. >Yes, we have arrested the perpetrator. >No, we won't tell you his name. >No, we won't tell you his motives. >No, he wasn't a migrant, racist! (His parents were migrants, however.) >Why is everyone so angry? The police focus more on harassing people for edgy tweets than they do protecting children then wonder why we hate them.

[@just_another32]

yes he was under 18 and there has not yet been a trial which is why we can't tell you all the above - same rules apply for everyone

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@just_another32 people like doctorbobcat is the reason why countries have laws. Its people like him that keep lawyers gainfully employed.

[@doctorbobcat7123]

@@just_another32 They just released his name, so much for those rules.

[@just_another32]

@@doctorbobcat7123 The judge can make a decision to do that in special circumstances when she/he deems fit

[@sue.F]

It’s not about mis or dis anything, it’s about British people wanting to preserve their way of life before it’s completely destroyed. Wake up!

[@rodnee2340]

The entire atrocity proves our country is broken.

[@tonysherwood9619]

Mr starmer allowed the far-right of ukraine into parliament!???

[@steadyeddie7]

You were at that meeting where you lmfao

[@tonysherwood9619]

@@steadyeddie7....along with boris johnson!

[@ashfield1425]

Yes, we need the government who point blank refuses to tell people who has committed crimes to control ‘disinformation’.

[@EthanKnight97]

Mr. Rakib literally said he was more concerned about the events after the stabbing than the stabbing itself.

[@just_another32]

as in his focus, and the focus of his piece in UnHerd - concerned with = focused on

[@stevesmith3990]

I don't support these riots at all but you are spectacularly missing the point here.

[@StephenSidney]

read the room and listen to the people this isn't the debate to be prioritising

[@TomRelubbus]

The police have only released a very few details about the background of the perpetrator, and not given us one single word at all of his possible motive for the attack. So how can the Spectator, and their single issue guest, rule any motive, or reason, for the attack, out of the frame?

[@germainefisher1632]

The police do not seem to have a response ready to be deployed at all times no matter what ethnicity started it. They sure did not have a plan for dealing with the riots in Leeds. Did they learn from that to send in police in riot gear to deal with the people who gathered in anger at the murder of children in Southport? How about the airport situation ,you would think an airport would have back up officers on speed dial. I feel bad for all officers who got hurt at any protest but there does seem to be a lack of planning at the top. No sign of police negotiators either trying to speak with people at the early stages, of post vigil. Regular People feel unseen, unheard and unprotected for years now in their own country while machete wielding young men roam the streets. Sometimes importing a violent culture has a negative affect on the people already living in the country, not promoting embracing the culture of the land they chose to come to is just not working. The other worrying aspect of some of the imported culture is the negative attitude toward women who do not feel safe and feel in danger of losing hard won rights. Winston Churchill led Britain through the Second World War to defend British way of life, it is now being conquered by infiltration. I suppose poor Winston is rolling in his grave.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Dear Spectator, is the person who wrote your headline even English?

[@SherryJav]

What did the mosque have to do with the situation in Southport? The mother of one of the dead children said she was appaled how you used the bricks of her garden to cause more violence.

[@romah6059]

These fools won't understand.

[@apebass2215]

Ask the "diverse" man who turned up to the vigil wearing a balaclava and brandishing a knife.

[@SherryJav]

@apebass2215 you mean there is another fake man you guys made up? Was he also a Syrian named Ali? Is this "man" in the room with us right now? 🤔😂

[@johoff457]

The people have spoken ! Government policies are not working. Government needs to heed the people before this gets any worse.

[@nighttrain1236]

Perhaps the police could have released more information on the suspect initially? Misinformation loves a vacuum.

[@chrisgraham6148]

No mention of the 2nd masked knife man on his way to the vidual being arrested from the mosque which I imagine why the mosque was attacked

[@RhetoricalMuse]

1. He wasn't masked. 2. We don't know if he was 'on the way' to the vigil.

[@romah6059]

Lol more garbage

[@apebass2215]

​@@RhetoricalMuse he was chased from the vigil and he was wearing a balaclava. Photos of his arrest as well as video footage are available online.

[@chrisgraham6148]

@@RhetoricalMuse see apebass2215 below

[@danielwatkinson6247]

You say about violence against the police what did 2 muslim men do in Manchester airport a week ago

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

What about Lucy Letby and those poor newborns? What about Kyle Clifford and those three women?

[@21upbowls]

You are calling ordinary angry people far right, shame on you! You are part of the problem

[@tonyconnolly5385]

"out of towners" as though yhis only effects the people of Southport. This effects everyone, even across Europe.

[@ScottLeRoc]

What is this actually about? Have we forgotten about the murdered children already.

[@romah6059]

If these uneducated and jobless men didn't cause trouble for there own agenda then yes it would have been about the poor children

[@davidl9771]

I don't care about anti Muslim hate, which wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the constant insults, murders and grooming gangs. I am concerned about anti kaffir hate.

[@RhetoricalMuse]

There is deffo an issue with Islamic doctrine and how it manifests in the west. Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists aren't a problem.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Bet you can't name one example.

[@andrewdawson5281]

A lot of mediation from Dr. Rakib Ehsan. He talks of freedom of speech rights on social media and Muslims being falsely blamed but makes little of the fact that the perpetrator is an immigrant from Rwanda. The conversation should have been about how immigration has once again brought criminality to our once safe and peaceful country. Shame on you James Heale for allowing your guest to fudge the issue.

[@sylviaball3874]

This interview biased. Obviously a Muslim. ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Another "genius". What about the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, the Dutch, the Americans ..... This aint the 10th century.

[@stu1002]

Holy Heck. Did he really just say what I think he did at 0:30 ??? "what I'm REALLY concerned about..." 🤦‍♂

[@ryansweeney1661]

The left is to blame for all this

[@eds-egg]

Exactly, look what happened in Reading. Saadallah had been listen to anti British, anti white rhetoric all day at a BLM protest - he lived in a flat opposite the park - before he snapped at 6pm and went on a murderous rampage. A very good example of what the left like to call "Stochastic terrorism".

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

The FAKE Left is to blame - manufactured by MI5 and the CIA since 1980. I was in a communist party in the 1970s and we were staunchly AGAINST immigration and that's still the official Marxist-Leninist position - "Revolution in one country". Everything you've been told about "the Left" is just more lies. Immigration is a WEF plot to smash the working class.

[@justaspartan8203]

I’m just watching and the reference to disinformation, yet you claim a police car was petrol bombed. It was a police van that was set on fire. You also claim that those involved are from outside of the area, how do you know this as nobody has been charged and only 4 arrests made? The EDL apparently doesn’t actually exist. Making insinuations can be equally levelled at anyone who expresses opinion. Something very chilling with more calls for control on free speech and it just adds to the distrust.

[@ddoherty5956]

This is purely the result of two tier rules both in immigration controls and in policing.

[@xymenaklucznik1883]

Even in Manchester patriots protest this evening outside Holiday Inn at Oldham Road, as the hotel keeps engineers and doctors..... And I don't why police protected the mosque in Southport?

[@johnmartin4650]

Must not close down freedom of speech…..no matter what .Is it true that moslems are not obliged to tell the truth or not be quite accurate with the facts when it comes to dealing the Infidel

[@angeldotexe1337]

Yup, they call it Taqiyya. Its a core part of the religion, to lie and mask their true intentions for the goals of the religion. They mask this by saying its so they can lie about being muslim to stop persecution but thats literally just Taqiyya in action lol.

[@markbaker3373]

Please tell the truth why the mosque was attacked..nothing to do with suspect it was to do with the Muslim caught with a machete in his coat.

[@JD83000]

It's coming, you can feel it. The UK is a tinder box.

[@malcolmstockbridge2569]

Its been much like this for thousands of years....nothing new.

[@DarthQueefious]

The Spectator cares more about the reaction to little girls being slaughtered than the slaughter itself. Demented.

[@Jacktarvin]

We are intelligent and know we are not being given full facts. The hope of preventing social unrest by smoke and mirrors has been lost. The anger is cold and permanent and our government needs to listen to our concerns to avoid full anarchy developing. Not our children again. A line again has been crossed and our trust in our government using our taxes wisely and fairly to protect us is lost.

[@kate-yk8gv]

Wheres the proof that they were from out of town? Or EDL. I think you shape what happens to suit your narrative

[@eds-egg]

the EDL haven't existed for 10 years. It is the English Defunct League!

[@DarthQueefious]

Lots of scouse accents in the videos

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

Where's the proof that the perp is not indigenous British?

[@RhetoricalMuse]

Everyone is doing it, including those who went there to protest.

[@woden20]

Outnumbered 4000 to 1 , you need the people's support to keep order in a country. They don't have the "English community" support.

[@BeanBossing]

These murders are senseless but so are these riots - and they are deffinitely coordinated. There have been murders in the last year commited by English people with no foreign connections, similarly horrific to this. Yet no riots took place. The point that the rioters in Southport werent even from Southport adds to this. I think someone is trying to tell a narritive.

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

I don't think its "coordinated". Its the locals looking for someone to blame. And during times of crisis, foreigners are always easy pickings. I mean, who complained about the torched mosque? Most of the posters here positively approved of it. As if certain crimes are justified.

[@kmansfield7733]

Starmer's photo-op wreath-laying really got people upset. They saw it as self-serving virtue signalling.

[@michelleb3698]

Absolutely.

[@Scoobywoo7447]

2 tier policing.

[@douggraves4482]

The EDL began in June of 2009, when the now banned Islamist terror group Al-Muhajiroun, who's leader, Anjem Choudhury has just been sentenced to a minimum of 28 years in prison, protested a parade held by the Royal Anglian Regiment to mark its return from Afghanistan. A group calling itself the United Peoples of Luton called a counter-protest and persuaded hundreds of young men to take to the streets. In the weeks that followed, the group formed loose alliances with firms of football casuals, rebranded as the English Defence League and began holding demonstrations in towns and cities across the country. The EDL have long since disbanded

[@malcolmstockbridge2569]

All those people just magically went away then ?.....just a different name now.

[@douggraves4482]

@@malcolmstockbridge2569 And what name would that be malcolm?

[@malcolmstockbridge2569]

@@douggraves4482 Well according to the current press reports its still EDL....for me just people with same aims using their own individual names....dont need a group name to want to achieve your own aims....as an Austrian from Germany once said.

[@romah6059]

Lol who are you telling this made up funny story to ?

[@douggraves4482]

@@malcolmstockbridge2569 You said the disbanded EDL operate under a different name now, yet you can't tell me what this different name is, you then quote main stream media, so it must be true, right?... and an Austrian is from Austria, not Germany. You seem confused malcolm.

[@exiled2home]

At least the comments section has not been turned off here (unlike all the other mainstream sources)

[@arajananbittapu8204]

UK should learn from UAE for jailing 57 bangladshi for protesting in public.

[@stephenphilbin3919]

1:40 Not really a criticism of Dr. Ehsan, but the idea that these murders and maiming of children was carried out by one of the people invading our country via small boats, was simply my natural default assumption, given the caginess around the reporting. It doesn't require the mind of a conspiracy nut to default to that conclusion: it's just the natural expectation of people in a segregated, multi-tiered society, where the majority of the population are thought of as being on the bottom tier by people in the media and the authorities. I think of Muslims who've actually integrated into British society as equals. It's people who chose to segregate themselves and are allowed to live in a parallel societies with (effectively) their own laws, that I have a problem with.

[@jayclarke6671]

I could be wrong and I don't know anything about the suspect, but if he is Rwandan,/black, and had escaped deep poverty and a certain early death, he had no choice but to migrate purely out of survival. While he has been in the UK, he could very well have been bullied and even beaten just for being a migrant. If true, it doesn't justify violence against third parties, but tell that to a 17 year old mind who's desperate and may not have had a decent meal in weeks. I'm a white Anglo from the UK and know first hand how severe bullying culture goes on there. It's far worse than here in Spain.

[@Samirustem]

Same in states. Its also spreading to rest of the world. There is serious sickness in society and no one is interested and i doubt even capable of solving it.

[@andykerr3803]

🤡

[@Theexsquaddie.]

Indeed you could be wrong. I have very strong reservations about his age. It seems very convenient that he is just a few months under the threshold at which he could be named.

[@randomcommenteronyoutube1055]

1. His parents escaped death. He was born in the UK. He's never experienced fight-or-flight oppression. 2. The vast majority of people who are bullied or mentally ill do not massacre others, much less children. 3. So somebody may have bullied him. What type of evil must be in one's mind to punish a bunch of kids in dance class for it? No more excuses. The obvious labels for this guy and situation would be: Murder, Evil, Sociopathic

[@thevegandragon4676]

Uh and what about all the other little girls that were stabbed abd in critical condition, and the teachers! And the other children who were lucky enough not to get stabbed??? All terrorised and will be affected by this for the rest of their lives! FFS!

[@jakoflynn2560]

Cherche le islame

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

In Rwanda?

[@jakoflynn2560]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX plenty of home grown zealots

[@jakoflynn2560]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX 15 mosques in Cardiff alone

[@jakoflynn2560]

@@Tiglath-PileserXIX check out the al-Manar centre in Cardiff 3 x home grown jihads went to commit terror in Syria …so you make it sound as if I was taking about an absurdity when in practice you know I’m not

[@Tiglath-PileserXIX]

@@jakoflynn2560 Jack, how do you know that the perp is ... THAT religious zealot. I heard he was from Rwanda. Last I checked not too many of them in Central Africa. How do you know that he is even ... religious? You better be right. If he is otherwise, think of the embarrassment.

[@davidjoy7654]

The perpetrator targeted the children. He took a taxi to the address and purposely walked up and down working himself up to commit the horrific dee d. It was not ramden. This was planned and executed. Why? Do people with mental health problems plan such stuff or just act out. I do not buy it. For reason known to this guy he planned it and I believe we very well know the reason.

[@romah6059]

I think it's mental health because he is Christian 😅

[@just_another32]

You're a friend of his or of the same mindset and this is how you know the reason? The rest of us are waiting for the results of the investigation.