Soviet People Attitude Towards Yugoslavia. Tito Vs Stalin

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

Yugoslavia was a very popular destination of the Soviet people. My wife was born and brought up in the Soviet Union. She went twice to Yugoslavia. I went once. It was a developed country with happy people, but it was destroyed by the IMF during the 1980s.

[@UshankaShow]

Life is always good until it's time to pay back what was borrowed to have a good life.

[@cernejr]

I visited Yugoslavia in July-1980 as kid and over the years I have spoken to some 20 people from Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was basically a Western country, people were free to travel, owned small business, etc. Many worked in Germany. They were nor scared and depressed as us Czechs, they were also richer than us. They asked my father why Czechs did not fight in 1968, and they pointed to nearby mountains - "We have weapons hidden there, we WILL defend our country, our daughters and wives."

[@deadheads1352]

They were not even close to being a western country or enjoying any of western freedoms.

[@cernejr]

Also when Czechoslovak refugees reached Yugoslavia, there were safe. The Yugoslavs did not forcibly return them to Czechoslovakia. They let them stay on Yugoslav territory until they completed political asylum formalities for USA/Canada/Australia/Germany/etc.

[@jamallabarge2665]

Czechs might have been overwhelmed by the Soviets. Colleague of mine is a Russian speaking Ukrainian, 2nd generation. He was married with the crown and walking around an altar. I used say to him, "Что ты работаешь?" He would giggle and say, "Не тевя дело". I was taught better Russian by others. As part of a long term business trip he visited the Czech Republic. After a time it downed on his colleagues that he "spoke some Slavic Language". He would "know" things during meetings. They also knew from his family name that he had something going on. They cautioned him to only speak English or Czech. "We don't like the sound of Russian here", they told him. "Some of us may be upset with you".

[@xgamerbih]

@@deadheads1352 well, travelling abroad to ANY country seems pretty freedom-ish

[@kyriljordanov2086]

@@jamallabarge2665 Today in Czechia it's so common to hear Russian that pretty much everywhere if you listen you'll hear someone speaking Russian on the street or in restaurants, etc and no one seems to care. Most are from Ukraine.

[@SHGames97]

Go Ushanka Show! Definitely one of the best KZbin channels.

[@mistershivers8887]

I just barely found your show at the beginning of this month my former co-worker from over a year ago, was from former Yugoslavia (Macedonia) and he would always tell me that the Leader was in the White House in America smoking a cigar with the U.S. President at the time. He used to always tell me how much everyone missed Yugoslavia everyday we worked together.

[@paulvadeanu246]

In the early '50s, my father was sent as teacher for primary classes in a little village close to the border with Yugoslavia. A huge poster showing Tito as a butcher of humans was displayed to the other side of the border by Soviet troupes stationed in my country. At that time, in the Romanian province next to Yugoslavia (Banat) all the Romanian elites have been deported to Bărăgan, the Romanian version of Siberia. In Banat, the death of Stalin was a relief like nowhere else in the world.

[@cernejr]

Many ethnic Czechs also lived in the Banat. There some Czech villages to this day.

[@paulvadeanu246]

@@cernejr They are still there, after more than 100 years after their colonisation by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Search for the little village named Ravenska, for example.

[@jamallabarge2665]

I worked with some Romanians. Very interesting people. I talked with them about Ceaucescu. After I read Col Racepa's book on Romania. I don't know how Romanians put up with Socialism....... the Ceaucescus were insane. They acted like Oriental Potentates.

[@xgamerbih]

Oh yeah the Romanians really disliked Tito, making up posters and such. But after Stalin’s death, the relations improved and later these two countries even built a powerplant that was shared between them.

[@nickcohen4900]

My deceased father told me a story , that In Romania on the river Danube , the border with Yugoslavia , in the 50s there was a big billboard with a big poster , maybe 10 meters long by 5 meters wide , with Tito holding an axe , with the title Tito the butcher , and on the opposite rim of Danube in Yugoslavia there was a similar size poster , with a big pig , bearing the name Stalin and with many piglets sucking at the Stalin , and the piglets bearing the names , Ceausescu , Jivkov , Gomulka , Kadar , Hoxa ....the socialist leaders . Bunch of idiots , arguing among themselves , while the Wall Street was planing their doom .

[@briandelaney9710]

The second cartoon about the elections refers to Tito’s arrest and incarceration of pro-Soviet elements in Yugoslavia. There were several prison camps where pro-Soviet members of the Politburo etc were sent under terrible conditions

[@ferencpoka]

Hi Sergei. I’m Hungarian. We always despised the Russians (soviet union). But I knew they lived much harder time than we did. The hatred just push it further what they did in my country in 1956. I wonder, what the Soviet people knew, and thought about it. Thank you for your work.

[@UshankaShow]

The Soviets generally weren't big fans of Hungarians (Madyars?) since Hungary was ally of Nazi Germany and sent it's troops to fight on the Eastern Front. As to 1956, we knew only what the Soviet government wanted us to know. I need to verify, I think there were some small protests but those people got arrested right away.

[@prismpyre7653]

@@UshankaShow the process by which Stalin consolidated power in Hungary is an interesting topic worth covering. There were many socialists and communists there and a party not unlike the Left-SRs of Russia won a majority in the first (and only) free election in 1947-- but of course that wasn't enough for Emperor Joey. Also even the right-wingers in Hungary tried to resist nazi influence and control. The germans had to engineer a coup in order to make them 'allies'--- under occupation of German troops

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

-USSR: "Nooooooo, you can't just be your own Socialist country who makes their own geopolitical decisions! That's Capitalist Imperialism!" -SFR Yugoslavia: "Haha, Non-Aligned Movement go brrrrrrrrrrr."

[@basedpatriarch]

If only NAM had an army. It seemed vulnerable to American black ops.

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

@@erenladon4072 Zhdanov and Kardashev

[@prismpyre7653]

I like you

[@vonliberte9063]

Very interesting video! Looking forward to the next one :)

[@FiveStringCommando]

Comrade JWC!!! I enjoy that every time!

[@larryphilby4918]

The man in the cartoon is Francisco Franco, dictator of Spain, who kept neutral during the war despite being Fascist.

[@christianpethukov8155]

I just watched a Spanish movie yesterday about the Spanish Civil War. The Endless Trench. Netflix.

[@Ivanisasi]

who's the greek guy tho

[@alexalekos]

@@Ivanisasi a greek marshal who beat the greek communists during the greek civil war

[@xgamerbih]

Thanks, was waiting for a Yugoslav themed video!

[@DuleVideos]

Hi! You mentioned yugoslav friends. I'm from Serbia, following your channel for some time now. I'm glad that you made video about relations between USSR and Yugoslavia. Tito and his regime did imprison a lot of communists- the one who openly were stalinist and who accepted resolution of Informbiro (like new Comintern which was established in 1947). Check out concertarion camp Goli Otok and Sveti Grgur. The conditions were terrible, but there was little death sentences. Same with Kingdom of Yugoslavia, death sentences were rarely issued.

[@DuleVideos]

@Robert Freisler Yes.

[@DuleVideos]

@@MacakPodSIjemom We are not talking about that.

[@dzonikg]

@@MacakPodSIjemom That is a lie about Serbia spread by so call Cetnici...Losing side

[@raner2367]

In Kingdom death sentence was normal. Tito was one of most benigne "dictators" ever. If he was a bit harsher it would be better cause he gave the chance to those who later sabotaged the whole country.

[@cleofaspingarron]

Your outro tune is on point

[@Pingolinou]

I was born and lived in Yugoslavia, but also as a half Russian I also lived in Moscow during USSR times and post USSR times. So several things why there was a huge split: - Stalin wanted to incorporate Bulgaria into the new socialist Yugoslavia. This idea was a major farce, because Bulgaria, although Slavic, was a mortal enemy of Serbia and Macedonia for around 50 years, and it was just unconceivable for this to happen. It would be very similar to Poland freely and willfully uniting back to Russia or USSR. - Stalin wanted to implement collective farming into Yugoslavia as well. Tito, spending a huge amount of time in Russia after he was captured in WW1 in Galacia. He saw the utter failure of the collectivization and he also could not fathom how it could even be possible to implement on the Yugoslav people as it did not fit their historic mentality at all. There is a famous yugoslav video where Tito sits at a table, spending the whole night thinking about what to say to Stalin and he wrote him a letter not accepting many of Stalins wishes, after which Yugoslavia was expelled from the Warsaw Pact (and as such Yugoslavia was never a part of the Warsaw Pact). All in all what happened in 1948 was that there was a huge purge within the Yugoslav communist party, who were marked as Stalinists. This was not a MASS MURDER, but they were sent for 're-education' in a place called goli otok camp. It was a sort of concentration camp, where political prisoners' would spend their time from 48 to 53 maximum, unless they swore loyalty to the new regime. My grandfather was sent there twice, once rescued by former communist member comrades, the other time because he could not keep his mouth shut. There is a lot of information out there thats coming out now. For instance they reckon that around 10,000 soviet soldiers and about the same amount of Yugoslav soldiers died on the frontiers, as soviets wanted to prod with skirmishes and see weak points. I am in fact a big fan of the conspiracy theory that TITO was the one that took out Stalin by poison. I geniuenly believe that Stalin was most afraid of him, because Tito knew many inner workings of the politibiro of the time.

[@cobrakillingfrog646]

Great video! Thanks!

[@UshankaShow]

You're welcome!

[@simplicius11]

@@UshankaShow Why was that newspaper confiscated? Because of the letter or...?

[@Mark-yy2py]

I had an opportunity of living near Yugoslavia once it was split up, and I would say the vast majority of the Yugoslavians acknowledge Tito’s faults; however they felt the country was more stable at the time and more unified. Now it’s just a fractured mess.

[@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840]

My mother (Serb) who grew up then hates the Russians, but also hates all nationalists. She always says "at least under Tito we had "free" healthcare and education. Now we all have nothing".

[@ivanravenski]

i found a school newspaper under some floor boards in my house in jugoslavija where my uncle and aunt had their elementary school pro communist poems published, there was even an article in honor of of Lenin

[@filipbakic8871]

I had not lived in such times, but from what I can recall from plenty of stories my grandparents told me it went something like this: Partisans fought for yugoslavia during the ww2 against Germans and chetniks and ustashe, and were moderately successful at that stirring quite a mess in third reich. As a leader of partisans, tito was set as the leader of the country, since partisans won, and we always thought that we should lead our country as fe had fought for it. Soviets than seem like the big occupator kid of, forcing us to be his puppet state, and logically we disliked them than. And at the era of "49, "50 everyone that previously liked stalin was sent to goli otok (baren Island). My grandma told me the story of her professor that had a picture of stalin and after 1949, they never saw him again and the picture was replaced with titos image. We always thought we outsmarted Soviets and that we didn't need them anyways as their oppressional communism was rotten. Seeing these posters for the first time now, it's amassing how much Soviets were but hurt (kind of).

[@jamallabarge2665]

As I recall the Chetniks were one side, the Ustache the other or another side. After the war there was a reckoning, a lot of people died. The Yugoslavians got a HORRIBLE deal from the International Monetary Fund. Somehow they ended up under "austerity measures". Blew the nation apart.

[@filipbakic8871]

@@jamallabarge2665 Well ustaše were outright fashists and while chetniks were fighting for the king, the line is blurry as they sometimes cooperated with Germans. Partisans weren't perfect too and they forced people to help them which resulted in many of them (helping civilians) getting killed by the occupator. You can't really judge anybody as everybody did bad things. It's just that ustashe and nazis got defeated and king himself didn't put much effort in liberating his country, so only ones left were partisans. And not just for nothing, if you look closely at the course of the war, nazi machine rumbled its way thru Europe since "39 up to "43 when they halted in Russia, but the first sign of defeat of germany, was right here and done by partisans. (yes in battle of Britain, they menaged to defend it but it was here that the first sign of liberating already captured territory happened). This is all highly debatable. There were many ethnic problems in yugoslavia but they were neatly silenced by the politics of the times, and only sprung to life when, again politicians supported it and wanted to tear the country apart.

[@botodin6979]

The Ustaše were worse than Nazis. They were the most evil people to exist.

[@newreast3904]

@@botodin6979 ustasa= nazis+vatican=pure evil. u r correct.

[@raner2367]

​@@filipbakic8871 Chetniks, faschists, nazis and ustaše were cooperating all the time. Their common enemy was partisans (communism) and that's what they hated the most. You have plenty of pictures where they drink together and do all kind of weird shit. Ustaše wanted Greater Croatia and Četnik Greater Serbia. And in a way they had it for some time with exception of what Serbia wanted on the south. I'm not aware if you know how much serbs actually joined Ustaše because of their hatred for the jews, and vica versa. It is blurry but ustaše vs četnik battles were small and usually not even real battles more like brief drunken skirmishes. And vs partisans (communists) it was always a blood bath. Nedić adored Hitler, Draža though Croatia should actually be under Ustaše rule but with modified borders. Pavelić Ustaša leader didn't even bother after some time with nationality, most of the serbs that were killed were not because they were serbs but COMMUNIST serbs. Četnik's who would kill villagers in Dalmatia was not because they were necessarily Croats but they knew they helped partisans. Do you know about Pavelić - Stojadinović agreement? Did you know ustaše priests and četnik's priests worked together the whole war to expose partisans and communists of any nationality? And they would bless each other with "holy" water? Stepinac croatian priest was fond of serb nationalists and their orthodox church in Serrbia because "all christians are brothers" while he didn't give a shit about others? Like gypsies, communists and jews. It's a hoax and lie he saved jews. It was Croatian and Serbian collaborators who were deadly afraid they will lose their imperialistic power from the past to the new idea - communism/socialism. Good thing was both Pavelić and Draža were complete morons, uncapable to wage war, Pavelić was unintelligent by nature and couldn't put his shoes on himself and Draža was drunkard obsessed by religion and uneducated royalist and dog servant.

[@xxHANNONxx]

I’ve known people who lived in Tito’s Yugoslavia, but left for America during the war. They all said that they had good lives in Yugoslavia under Tito. They spoke very fondly of Yugoslavia. I don’t know if this was the norm, but I was given a good impression.

[@vilena5308]

It hugely depends with whom you speak. There is no universal truth, which is a part of the reason why the whole 'breakup' was so bloody and narratives about it differ. Some people lived normal, happy lives and there is plenty of nostalgia. On the other hand, some experienced repression and didn't feel safe or in control of their lives.

[@xxHANNONxx]

@@vilena5308 I worked with Bosnians, that were from Sarajevo, some were in the war, and some left when it started. This was in the late 1990s and early 2000s, so it was still fresh in their minds, before nostalgia sets in. They all said that life was good in the city, so this is the only sample I have to go by, so I’m sure there is many other opinions that people from Yugoslavia have. Lol, they did teach me some Bosnian words, but I only remember a few bad words. I learned just enough, to get myself punched if I use them.

[@Ved000000]

Nice content. His grandson has been trying to organize a communist party in Serbia in the past few years, he has some interesting interviews if you understand Serbo-Croatian or get someone to translate for you.

[@miloukanovic6349]

"We made a gulag(goli otok) for soviets, so the soviets wouldn't make a gulag of yugoslavia, just like they did in Hungary and Poland." - Tito

[@weslo819]

Outro music is amazing!

[@babyjosegarcia5330]

Great video, love your channel. Can you do a video on the history of Africans in the Soviet union.

[@aleksandarkis8172]

My grandfather was in the navy at that time, and on the time of fallout of USSR-Yugoslavia, one night tjey got alarm, and troops had to line-up in middle of the night. Officer said "Who is for Stalin, on the left, who is for Tito, on the right!" And my grandfather just looked where is majority and whent there. Lucky for him. And me! In 1946 officers teachen them to yell when charging "For Stalin, for Tito" and in 1948 "If you mention Stalin, you go to jail". Things that hapen overnight

[@rufusray]

Afternoon Duke hope alls well.

[@shadowpresident4203]

Even among cold war and Soviet history buffs, Yugoslavia is still a pretty mysterious place. Almost all of the attention on the communist side has been focused on the USSR, and maybe China to some degree. Keeping track of the difference between Russia and Ukraine is about the limits of the interest level and knowledge base for many in the west. Keeping track of differences between Serbia, Macedonia, and Slovenia, etc is a tall order. Whether or not Kosovo is Serbia I could not say, but I do know everyone is SUPER pissed off about it! Pile on more complexity and get into the differences between the SFRY and the Serbian-dominated rump state that continued to exist and call itself Yugoslavia for awhile. As if Bosnia wasn't already complex enough, it's also sort of two countries in one split between the Srpska (Bosnian Serbs) part and the Federation of BiH (Bosnian Muslims mostly, and also some Croats and Albanians and others I think). It's all endlessly complex and everybody from various parts of Yugoslavia seemingly has an axe to grind against "those bastards" in the next valley over. I once made the mistake of referring to the Serbo-Croatian language as 'Croatian' when speaking with a (as I found) hard core Serbian nationalist patriot, and he was having NONE of it!

[@PurpleRaam]

I love the content of your videos and find them very interesting, but please stop having pop ups throughout the video. They are very distracting and make the video hard to watch

[@PsilocybinCocktail]

But - Comrade Sergei needs to eat!

[@steved7961]

I have read that when Stalin died in his bedside drawer were a few unopened envelopes containing salary cheques and a letter from Tito saying: 'You have sent three men to Belgrade to kill me and we caught them all, if I send one to Moscow, he will succeed'. I think that Stalin had a sneaking respect for Tito.

[@jamallabarge2665]

Tito and Stalin both fought Nazis. Stalin fought them from the rear, Tito from the front.

[@apo11o38]

Many portions of Yugoslavia and Ukraine were pro Nazi. There were many volunteers from those regions for the Nazi army.

[@filipstefanovski2077]

GREETINGS FROM POST YUGOSLAV COUNTRIES

[@lambch7144]

The Greek figure on the 1949 Tito caricature is probably because at that time there was the Greek Civil War between the Communists and the Democrats, which started some time around 1945. Tito was supportive of the former.

[@Wok_Agenda]

By democrats you mean ex-nazi traitors ?

[@finnpendleton4615]

I thought tito was supporting the greek communists.

[@lambch7144]

@@Wok_Agenda It was a wrong term and I knew it as soon as I had posted the comment. You see, I mistook the Government Army with EDES and since "D" stands for Democratic, I chose to call them by that name. Either way, I think you're overgeneralizing. There could be some people who had cooperated with the Germans among the Government soldiers, but there were also many people who had joined the Resistance against the Nazis.

[@lambch7144]

@@finnpendleton4615 He was. I first mentioned the Communists, then the Government Army, whom I called Democrats by mistake. Maybe the USSR thought he would corrupt them, or something. Just a guess.

[@finnpendleton4615]

@@lambch7144 I thought thats what you meant. Stalin wanted tito to stop supporting the greek communists because it was causing too much tension with the west.

[@erichusayn]

Very interesting video. Thanks Mr Cheeseburger!

[@timothylordan7453]

New sub thanks Serge

[@UshankaShow]

Thanks for the sub!

[@timothylordan7453]

@@UshankaShow excuse me, Sergey

[@unamisthekgb]

Its nice for a former citizen of the Soviet Union to explain the crisis between Tito and Stalin (1948 Tito-Stalin Split) and the Soviet attitude towards SFR Yugoslavia, considering I come from a Yugoslav family whom my great grandpa and great grandpa were both communist Partisans (Edit 1): Fun fact, Alexandar Rankovic was so powerful (3rd most powerful as explained in your video) that in a meeting in Brijuni (tito's personal island) Tito had sacked Rankovic (Edit 2): As asked in 10:27 - 10:28 During the first years of Tito's regime it was exceptionally Brutal and similar to Stalin's regime, with the executions of political opponents, sending other opponents to Goli Otok and arresting many others to never be seen again and the deportations of Germans, Hungarians and axis collaborators, one instance of this was during the Bleiburg Reprisals where an estimated 40-45,000 Ustasha collaborators and soldiers (Fanatical Fascists that even the nazis told them to calm down with the brutallity). But in short to answer your question I would say he didnt kill more communists in 1 year. the brutality ended by late 1940s (Post WWII that is) with an estimated 30-40,000 either sent to Goli Otok, arrested and sent to some other prisons, deported or executed combined

[@ocudagledam]

Hi Sergey! Regarding your question about the 1949 poster alleging mass murders of communists by Tito and Ranković, after Tito and Stalin split, there was a great rift among the Yugoslav communists. If you were a pre-war communist (and that likely made you somewhat high ranking post war), the USSR and the word of Stalin were like gospel to you. Even if you joined during the war, through partisans, at the end of every meeting, you would first cheer "Long live Stalin!" and then "Long live Tito!", so when the split came, there was a real concern over who among the Yugoslav communists supported which side. And, of course, there were opportunists who thought that, in case of an invasion (and that did seem imminent at one point, with both sides having tanks at the ready at the border), Yugoslavia would surely be defeated, and were thus looking to get themselves into Soviet service. So there was a drive to discover Stalinists and do something about them. To my knowledge, though, there were no mass murders. There was a special "reeducation camp" set up on Goli otok (literally "The Bare Island", essentially a rock in the Adriatic) for those that supported the wrong side (and, well, if you're supporting from within a foreign power that's about to invade your country in order to make it its puppet state, you are on the wrong side). The prison existed from 1949 till 1956 (when Yugoslav relations with the USSR started to thaw and the political prisoners were released, while the facility was converted into a regular prison for hard criminals). The treatment of prisoners was very harsh, probably even more so in the first couple of years. In 1951, Dobrica Ćosić, an author and, at the time, politician, visited the site and was shocked by what he found. Having read his report, Ranković visited himself and subsequently gave orders to make things less severe. The treatment of prisoners also varied depending on how hard a case they were considered to be. The newcomers would generally be given the "regular" treatment that was quite harsh. They could over time be recognized as somewhat reformed, which meant a slightly better treatment and easier and safer work assignment. On the other end, those considered "hard" would be subjected to cruel punishments and given the most dangerous work detail. Overall, in the seven years of its existence, just over 16,000 prisoners went through the prison, out of which around 400 did not return. It's worth noting that, sadly, while many people that were arrested did indeed support the Cominform resolution on Yugoslavia, others were sent to Goli otok simply based on a denunciation by a potentially malevolent informant (a rival, a neighbour, a "friend", sometimes even a relative).

[@UshankaShow]

Thank you very much for your comment!

[@thefixerofbrokenstuff]

I would be interested in your take in Albania.

[@generaldissaray4109]

my ak was made in yugoslavia. it's stamped 'zastava'.

[@xgamerbih]

The Zastava produced the far best copies of the AK. Some say that they were better than the original

[@matejmatej3554]

Greetings from Slovenia ex Yugoslavian Republic

[@siemprerosso]

Relationship between Stalin and Tito started to grow cold once Stalin realized Tito will not act as a pawn and a puppet. He wanted to have his own way and bring decisions which were not in USSR interest at all. First, he wanted to create an economical union with Bulgaria, Romania and Albania. When announced, Stalin thought Tito was bluffing, but when he saw Tito meant business, he got very mad indeed. Bigger problem was when Stalin asked Tito to grant him a building of Soviet military and trading port in Adriatic (something that Tito had supposedly promised Stalin back in 1943). Tito refused. That was the final drop, and thats when propaganda against Tito really steamed up. Yugoslavian people were truly scared of Stalin, since they knew the power of the Red -Army well. Between 1948-1953 possibility of Soviet invasion lingered over each YU citizen. Not only that people were scared, they were confused too. In one moment, up until 1947, Stalin was a liberator and great leader of communist world altogether, and now, suddenly, government wants all to change their opinion, denounce all previous beliefs and start seeing Stalin as a tyrant and dictator. This was hard to do, especially among communist veterans who fought for communism even before WW2 (mainly in Spanish civil war). Now Tito did not look fondly upon those veterans, not only because they respected Stalin and were hard to convert to his way, but because he saw those veterans as some kind of a threat to his popularity in Communist party. Needless to say, most of them either got killed or were sent away to prisons and working camps. There was an unusual situation during 1948, after Inform-bureau of USSR sent a letter / resolution, in which they basically call Tito a traitor who strayed away from communist path and became a pawn of the West -mainly USA. Tito, knowing the popularity of Stalin among Yugoslav people became scared of country being pushed into civil war and him being overthrown now when he finally got into power, began with interrogation of all people which were deemed suspicious and dangerous. Interrogation was simple - do you support the resolution or not? Those who did support the resolution were sent to prisons, or to infamous Goli Otok camp (small island in Adriatic sea near Pag island in Croatia), where they would be tortured every day, but not killed. Main purpose of this was to break persons will and make him say that he/she learned the correct way and denounce all previous beliefs. This went on even after Stalins death, to 1956 approx., although people which were sent off to prisons were marked for whole of their life, along with their family members. It was hard for them to find employment, get into college...

[@darkodjokic4432]

Its funny that guy who installed Tito in Yugoslavia on his own tanks (without Red Army, Partisans would never won the Battle for Serbia), hated him so much:) Tito was Stalin believer and follower as Pravda Vostoka can show, even split of 1948 was caused because of Stalin's paranoia. What is even funnier, all of the cartoons portrayed Tito accurately as he was. 5:13 cartoon shows Tito as fascist dictator, because he helped Greek Partisans in Greek Civil War against Stalin's wishes. 6:44 Yugoslav elections cartoon. Here is not quite clear what they were targeting. We had "elections" in autumn 1945 to "choose" between one party, when People's Front, surprisingly, won. Even with one party election, which killed Yugoslav Monarchy, most people choose not to vote for the Party. Many of them were executed afterwards. But, this cartoon was from 1951, that's time of Goli Otok, time of inter-communist purges, where all the party members (and quite few who were not) who were suspected to be loyal to Stalin were sent to barren island of Goli Otok, many never to return. 9:22 Rankovic, who was known as the First Policemen of Yugoslavia was in charge of this purges. Also, he was in charge of many killings of Yugoslav dissidents across the world. His power grow so much, that Tito had to sack him at Brioni Congress, in late 60ies. 13:38 With this new Constitution, Tito will become President for Life, before he was a Prime Minister of Yugoslavia.

[@UshankaShow]

Very interesting input, thanks!

[@JUGOstalgic]

You're completely wrong regarding the elections. Majority voted for the peoples front and no one that did not vote was punished. The turnout was 80% and KPJ recieved 90%. The truth is elections were completely democratic and fair so please stop spreading misinformation.

[@darkodjokic4432]

@@JUGOstalgic sure. Why you don’t tell that people were lining up in droves to vote for Tito? Your nick tells all. Strange, but for you corave kutije (blind boxes) are non issue. For the rest, explanation: while we had a one party elections, people had “choice” not to vote for People’s front. On the election day you would receive your ballot which looked like small button and you would with clinched fists approach two ballot boxes, one of the People’s front and one of no one’s. You would then put your hands in both boxes at the same time and released the ballot. But, most if not all of opposite boxes were sounded, had microphone of sort, so once you voted against the Party, they would immediately know, and you would became enemy of the state. In my hometown, in whole county of Valjevo, in first election 62000 voted for Party, almost 10000 against. That is way more protest vote then this guy is blabbering about. It is easy to check, just search digitalized Napred 1945-1973 on nb.rs. It is fascinating read, you will realize how much people they killed since they liberated my hometown from ourselves, just accusing locals being reactionist or speculators...

[@JUGOstalgic]

nice story with no facts. There was no indicator because voting was completely anonimous. The only people killed were fascist that people like you call inocent, im sure ustaše were also completely inocent people killed by partisans. Now stop crying because you lost fair elections and you can shove that serbian site of fairy tales up your ass

[@JUGOstalgic]

@@MacakPodSIjemom I meant the obvious fairy tales that are being spread today in serbia because its the same shit here in Slovenia. A bunch of nazi collaborators got killed after the war and today their ancestors are spreading all sorts of lies even rehabilitating the leader of collaborators leon Rupnik. I know the site is a library but today more and more fairy tales are sadly infesting these places in history book sections as sad as it is.

[@xgamerbih]

What’s your opinion on Tito and Yugoslavia (if we ignore the propaganda drawings)? It was literally a mix of both systems called market socialism. You still get goodies like free education, free healthcare, a safe job, an apartment, paid vacation etc. and waiting lists for cars (which were much much shorter than in the USSR). And some capitalist goodies like opening a small store, higher wages and standard, access to more goods. Also, everyone was free to travel abroad be it east or west. And here too, every male had to join the army after he turned 18, and it lasted for a year. You’d also see western products sold here (like coca cola that had their factory in Yugoslavia), western cars since you could leave and go abroad. Etc. Sounds to me like a perfect mix, and not to mention that Yugoslavia had a good geopolitical position and good relations with all countries around the world (well, atleast after the mid 50’s)

[@samirnodormir3097]

Also most of Yugoslav business was worker-owned (like a co op) so they where pretty efficient since workers where encouraged to work better so they could get an higher wage

[@benprishtina153]

Rankovic also defacto rulled Kosovo, and he had a policy of expelling as many Albanians from Kosovo as possible, during this time many Albanians ended up in Turkey, because Serbia was not interested in expelling ethnic Turks, however it viewed Albanians as a threat. This ethnic hatred still persists today.

[@vladanlausevic1733]

Sergej goes Yugo 😊

[@subscriptions007]

Yugoslavia, one of the best tourist destinations ever existed

[@alexhennigh5242]

Just gotta make sure you don't wander off the beating path too much especially in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Landmines and what not.

[@subscriptions007]

@@alexhennigh5242 Indeed. A cultural diverse Republic, destroyed by reckless ethnocentrism, though they did have legitimate concerns regarding autonomy.

[@richardwray8659]

What did the Soviet people think about North Korea? How close was Soviet Union and North Korea relationship wise?

[@travissutherland8502]

I can’t find part 2 because I am lame. Can you pin it to the comments please? Love the content.

[@UshankaShow]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eavPmqeijpyEoLM

[@ciprian7243]

"aici București, România. Ora exactă". If anyone is curios, that means "here's Bucharest, România. Exact time (is)"

[@hellouser5498]

Yugoslavia had the best version of socialism, titoism. Very liberal, could travel anywhere, work in the west and come back with white Merc live like a king. We didnt have to compete with cheap labor from Eastern Europeans as they werent allowed out, just Turks and Yugos doing all undesirable jobs in Germany, Austria, Holland... Germans loved spending summer on the coast, same as Czechs

[@basedpatriarch]

I wish Yugoslavia was still around. Now they are just picked apart as EU puppets.

[@TheUglyGnome]

Let me guess: you are Serbian.

[@basedpatriarch]

@@TheUglyGnome Way off.

[@xgamerbih]

I agree, it’s sad what happend to us. We’re literally shitholes what once was a prosperous country

[@basedpatriarch]

@Robert Freisler Lol no.

[@goranjosic]

@Robert Freisler This is a rather ignorant attitude, based on superficial media coverage in recent years. Tito was a Croat, and Kardelj a Slovenian - the two most important men who made all the moves (they are not from Serbia, and they are not Serbs). The most developed Yugoslav state was Slovenia, I do not understand how Serbia was in a leading position - the fact is that Serbia had the largest number of communists, and only in late 90-its did the nationalist movement develop, after the breakup of Yugoslavia!

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

John Wayne Cheeseburger! Good to see you again! Excellent work!

[@UshankaShow]

Thank you kindly!

[@jamallabarge2665]

What's with the Latin Script at 3:21? Everyone wanted to go to Berlin, but isn't it spelled в Бeрлин in Cyrllic?

[@richardkammerer2814]

Perhaps it wasn't the first victory parade using this tank.

[@shadowpresident4203]

I don't know why everything in the Balkans has to be so balkanized...

[@bonnieblue4941]

Otherwise it’ll be just like soviet and china, where people of minor groups lived under the boots of the ruling party.

[@AlexandruNicolin]

In the People's Republic of Romania around 1950 being branded a "Titoist", rightfully or not, was usually an one way trip to one of the many concentration camps that sprang up, or even to the firing squad. People in charge were zealous Stalinists trough and trough. There was even a joke about Romania being the 16th Soviet Republic.

[@AndersBjornTH]

Ever thought to make a review of Soviet era film cameras?

[@UshankaShow]

Not yet.

[@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840]

There's another story about Stalin and Tito's split, which happened during the Belgrade operation. Tito heard that some Soviet echelon units were graping women and girls and robbing people, so he sent a message to Stalin basically saying "we're supposed to be allies, you maniac!". Stalin sent a letter back saying "don't try to prevent my people having some fun every now and again".

[@UshankaShow]

Sounds just like Stalin!

[@gustavbabic5004]

What was the attitude of the Soviet People towards Albania?

[@UshankaShow]

Albania was that weird cousin no one wanted to even acknowledge. We had close to zero information about Albania

[@ZacharyBittner]

My guess it's bring asked about because the market socialism of Yugoslavia is popular amongst the far left in the USA as an alternative to the Marx - Leninism of the USSR.

[@Chyornytulpan]

8:10 At 1950, many people who were pro Stalin were incarsareted, but as i see Tito counts the votes and simultaniously counts bullets (for those who against him)

[@Mark-yy2py]

The only thing Stalin respected and understood was strength and power. Tito certainly was not a weak leader who would fold to Stalin. Yugoslavia reminded me if Franco in many respects. A lone wolf who forged his own path.

[@jamesbarton1969]

There was a Soviet supported post WW2 Communist revolution in Greece that was put down in 1949. The British and the Americans supported the government.

[@mihailosaranovic5444]

Rankovich poster is somewhat true. There were mass persecution of party members suspected of treason after 1949 until Yugoslav-Soviet rapprochement.

[@shadowpresident4203]

It's tragic to see this status quo in the former Yugoslavia of everyone being pissed and everyone having been at war with each other within the relatively recent past. Bosnia and Herzegovina may not survive the 2020's decade as a single unified state. We forget that for centuries, Sarajevo was known NOT for the brutal seige and genocidal wars (and assassination of the Austrian archduke Ferdinand that started WW1). Instead, it was a beacon of tolerance and peaceful meeting of cultures. Muslims, Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Protestants, non-believers (and people who honestly just don't know what to think!) lived side by side in peace and friendship. It was a model for Europe and the world. Sometimes they even married and formed families bridging these ethnic and religious divides. It's not the end of the world if some Albanian Muslims move into your neighborhood, guys. I wish them all the best for patching up their differences. I'd love to visit that part of the world, and have had fun exploring the Croatian coastline, and the mountains and valleys of Bosnia on Google Earth. Cities have a lot of historic buildings, but unfortunately huge parts of the big cities were bombed back to the stone age during WWII and completely reconstructed with drab communist-style architecture.

[@shadowpresident4203]

@@MacakPodSIjemom It was surprising to me as well to learn of the history of Sarajevo as a place of religious tolerance. It sounds crazy to those whose view of Sarajevo mostly comes from its recent history over the past few decades. Going back further in time however, it's a completely different story. There are plenty of examples of intolerance and conflict, but by the standards of that part of the world and that time period it was a real outlier. Are you familiar with the "Sarajevo Haggadah"? It's been recognized by UNESCO as part of Sarajevo's heritage of multiculturalism. A time that people stood up together for each other, even to the 'crazy' idea back then of fighting for somebody ELSE to practice THEIR beliefs, even if they don't match yours. en.unesco.org/news/secret-story-sarajevo-haggadah I realize Sarajevo as peaceful and tolerant place sounds like a punch line to a bad joke, but it's got a rich and complex history. My initial reaction upon hearing this was similar.

[@shadowpresident4203]

@@MacakPodSIjemom It's interesting to hear your take on things as someone from the area. If you'd be willing to share- Do you think Bosnia and Herzegovina has a good chance of staying together as a single country, or will it break up into Federation of BiH and Republik Srpska halves as independent nations?

[@shadowpresident4203]

@@MacakPodSIjemom Wow, thanks for sharing. I hope people there are able to sort things out peacefully, although it sounds like it's going to be difficult. In that part of the world historical issues are always in the background, and everyone is angry (and rightfully so, in general) about injustice their people suffered in the past. I don't know how to solve any of this, or to lay to rest the historical grievances. I hope they figure it out together, and wishing them all the best. It looks like an interesting part of the world I'd like to visit.

[@xgamerbih]

9:53 why not just spell it in the slavic way ;) Эдвард Кардель

[@shadowpresident4203]

That's how you KNOW somebody is truly dedicated to communism... They're clawing at the throats of other communists arguing over who is the revisionist. (Spoiler alert: It's all of them.)

[@ja66565]

Едвард Кардель

[@alebroker7587]

Yugoslavia I think never joyned the Warsaw Pact, actually I read once that the yugoslavian military always feared and invasion from the USSR.

[@UshankaShow]

No, they didn't

[@chrishanzek8930]

Tito was able to be independent because, although the Red Army helped free Belgrade, most of the country was freed by domestic partisans and not occupied by the Red Army.

[@weslo819]

Brezhnev gives the best kisses

[@gagamba9198]

Re the cartoons, the tall fella in the Hellenic national dress is General Alexandros Papagos, who defeated the communists in Greece. (The short one is Franco.) Tito had been supporting the Greek communist insurgency, but in 1949 he ceased this in exchange for loans from Britain, which considered the Balkans to be in its sphere of influence. Tito drew Stalin's ire for several reasons, but I think the chief one was Tito's effort to create a pan-Balkan league/alliance with Bulgaria, Albania, and Greece, if the communists had prevailed there. In response to the Soviet-Yugo split, Yugoslavia's expulsion from Cominform (1948), its exclusion from the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (1949), and the USSR-coordinated trade blockade, Tito began repression against those who were suspected of allegiance to Stalinism: about 16,000 people who sympathised with the USSR were exiled to prison camps on the small, rocky, uninhabited islands of Goli Otok and Sveti Grgur in the Adriatic Sea. It's claimed up to 3000 Stalinists died. Two leading party members, the Serb Sreten Zujovic and the Croat Andrija Hebrang, were tried before a court and thousands of rank-and-file members were expelled from the Party. About 5,000 Stalin supporters emigrated for political reasons. Also, Yugoslavia was governed by coalition of parties led by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (CPY); Tito disbanded this People's Liberation Front coalition and the CPY ruled soley. Here's an article of this, balkaninsight.com/2019/03/05/goli-otok-yugoslavias-barren-island-camp-for-stalinists

[@UshankaShow]

Very interesting, thank you!

[@gagamba9198]

@@UshankaShow You're welcome. And thank you for the informative videos.

[@UshankaShow]

@@gagamba9198 So... How about a Tito joke? 😜 Tito was asked to explain how come Yugoslavia is kind of part of the socialist camp, but at the same time not in it? Tito's reply: Yugoslavia is like balls during sex. We are part of the action, we just don't go inside

[@jacobtennyson9213]

Tito also wanted in on the Marshall Plan. That made The Kremlin MAD!

[@botodin6979]

Verg Stalin vs Chad Tito

[@antepavelicustase2445]

Yeah

[@antepavelicustase2445]

Virgin mass murderer vs chad nationalist

[@SgtRocko]

Seryozhka - the cartoon shows Tito heading towards a Greek "Fascist" (the non-Communists who had just beaten the Communists in the Greek Civil War); the short guy on the stone isn't Mussolini - I believe it's supposed to be Franco of Spain. The Tito Pioniri were a lot like the Soviet Pioneers - just everything was Tito-centric. I remember seeing tour groups from Poland, the USSR, Czechoslovakia, etc. come to Zagreb and be absolutely ASTOUNDED at the stores full of goods unimaginable in any of the other Socialist Brotherhood of Nations - people would literally gasp & put their hands to their faces in shock. I would go visit family in the USSR a lot as a kid, so I knew the difference; they would search OUR baggage much more thoroughly than Westerners to prevent us from selling things we knew they didn't have and that a SOCIALIST country DID (it was embarrassing that Jugoslavs lived far better than all the others). AND the Soviet customs didn't let us take any books or magazines into the USSR for fear of "Titoist propaganda". This was in the 70s and 80s, when they were chilly semi-friends.

[@tzenzhongguo]

Albania too, they were also not controlled by the USSR.

[@aleksandarkis8172]

The caricature of Ranković was somweath correct. He was head of state security and yes- single Gulag in Yugoslavia was for pro-soviet communists. And it was hellhole. Not death camp but realy hard. Mostly Montenegrins and Serbs were imprisoned, cause they were Russophiles. Many died there. It was enough in first days of split to praise Russian poets to get you arested. Yet soon Tito had to relax policy mainly cause of Serbs and Montenegrins and blame Stalin and not Soviet union.

[@timmermansj1300]

Home.. born in 1976.. Tito, Partija, Omladina, Armija 😄

[@antepavelicustase2445]

Ante pavelic please

[@aaronwatch3214]

These Soviet posters criticizing Tito also describe Stalin perfectly. Ironic.

[@mylefttoeisright8822]

There was probably a lot of jealousy in Moscow about Yugoslavia doing such a better version of socialism, also I suppose just anger that Tito never just follow orders from Stalin.

[@shadowpresident4203]

In the grand scheme of things, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia probably had a better chance of long term success than did the Soviet Union. It had far milder versions of all of the siloviki kind of stuff in the USSR. There certainly were secret police and political repression, etc. But it was also a state that did a better job of delivering core quality of life services like health and education. It didn't have the material abundance of the west, but it also didn't have as severe shortages of food and consumer goods as the Soviets. One could argue that Yugoslavia indirectly benefited from the Soviets plowing most of their resources into military spending thereby holding the west at bay. If the USSR and China had not existed, or had they not been communist oriented, the west would have focused much MUCH more attention to Yugoslavia, and likely would have destroyed it fairly quickly via economic pressure, intelligence operations, propaganda, and maybe even military action. I doubt the west would have allowed a large and moderately successful socialist state to exist right on their doorstep. Ostensibly we opposed the Soviets not because they had a socialist form of government, but rather because they "exported their ideaology". It would be much harder for the west to make the case that Yugoslavia was trying to incite a world proletarian revolution, as the Soviets were routinely accused of doing. (Although Soviet policy had not been to agitate for world revolution to a significant degree ever since Stalin won his power struggle against Leon Trotsky.) The "fall from grace" was dramatic for Yugoslavia. They went from hosting the 1984 olympics, to just a decade later that same olympic monument being used as cover for a sniping position. It was now surrounded not by one of the world's kinder and more successful socialist states (it's all relative... kindER) , but instead by six separate countries who largely hate each other.

[@antepavelicustase2445]

Please dont tell that he kissed brezhnev😢

[@MarkoRoll666]

The reason why Soviets didn't like Yugoslavia and Tito was because unlike them Tito didn't starve the nation and didn't made life feel like a prison unlike in the USSR. Judging by my parents and grandparents they could freely travel in Europe and US, had stable jobs with a lot of benefits. Tito's politics were open minded, that was "his way" of socialism. People could work in government owned facilities or have their own private ones, his politics also included good relations with west Europe, the USA, the Soviets, Africa and the middle east. The "facist" depiction has to come from the way he expressed his way of uniting all the nations, and that was Yugoslav natinolism and patriotism, you can be a Serb, Croat, Slovene, Montenegrin, Bosnian, Macedonian, Albanian, Wlach, Gypsy or any of the other minorities but all of them were 1 thing, that is a proud Yugoslavian, loyal to the country and loyal to the ideal. Yes it was a different way of socialism where patriotism was included, there was no extreme censure on art and media, there was freedom of speech and there were no restrictions of any sort, you could leave the country any time. I want to number more things but i doubt anyone is gonna read this so i am gonna leave it here XD

[@newreast3904]

no, tell us more! those we know already:)

[@thesljivo4101]

I think these are Spanish and Greek fascists on the "his way" caricature

[@PHaRedArmy]

2:29 Really reductive analysis that took dubious stories at face value, Stalin wanted a neutral Germany per the March Note and did not want puppets, bottom line: In order to survive against the imperialists the socialist bloc needed to work together and Tito was always doing things underhandedly; Tito was the first socialist leader to make the blatantly opportunistic move to ally with the US imperialists; members of the KPJ who supported the Soviets were purged under Tito's orders, there was no rogue Nikolai Yezhov figure, it was Tito's orders; and Yugoslavia's market socialism was extremely ineffective and was pretty bad for the workers

[@UshankaShow]

What do you mean market socialism was bad for Yugoslavia workers? I wish Soviet workers had such "bad" lifestyle. Access to the quality goods from the West, no multi-year waiting lists to buy a car, free traveling to the Western Europe. No GULAG style labor camps. Sounds like Tito took care of his folk.

[@predragmanov6341]

@@UshankaShow Tito took care of himself first. He also took care of his native lands such as Croatia and Slovenia. In Serbia he murdered both the pre war monarchist elite and the true honest communists, dividing Serbia into three pieces (four if you include the Republic of Macedonia). He borrowed money from loan sharks in the west and sold us to them, that's why we have no future and still repaying those loans today.

[@UshankaShow]

@@predragmanov6341 Do you think some puppet of Stalin would do a better job? 🤔

[@predragmanov6341]

@@UshankaShow If "better job" means not taking billions of dollars from American loan sharks then (in a long run) yes.

[@UshankaShow]

@@predragmanov6341 I guess he could confiscate crops from the peasants like Stalin did and sell that stuff to finance different projects. Or create labor camps to mine stuff with free slave labor

[@stayrospaparunas3062]

50-50 Yalta ... something like communism n capitalism together

[@aleksandarhadeljan5279]

blue guy is franco

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

It was all about Greece.

[@PsilocybinCocktail]

It's the word, apparently.

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

@@PsilocybinCocktail Nice - but that one has an "a" in it.

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

Glory to Arstotzka.

[@timmermansj1300]

I don't think they liked Tito in USSR 😄

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Well clearly Comrade Stalin didn't like Tito because he didn't have a mustache. Hehehe...

[@aleksandarkis8172]

Tito after split have cutt-off aid to Greek communists, and that was main reason of their failiure, but allowed mamy Greeks to take refuge

[@aleksandarhadeljan5279]

ranković was yugoslav beria

[@NorthernChev]

You keep equating fascism, and Nazism as the same. The swastika in Germany represented Nazism, and Mussolini represented and started the fascist movement. Nazism and fascism are different. In fact, Nazism and especially fascism rejected Socialism, rejected it hard. So, try not to confuse them, or equate them as being the same. They are not. Socialism is a far left wing economic system. Fascism, and Nazism are far right extremist systems. Both Nazism and fascism fight against Socialism, for example, in Russian communism. Tito was simply aligning himself with anyone that would give him power. He didn't necessarily care about these political systems.

[@UshankaShow]

In Soviet history books Nazi Germans are always being called the "fascists", rarely 'Nazis"

[@Leipaa]

"It made Stalin so mad because Tito refused to be his little...ah...puppet." Good save there comrade!

[@UshankaShow]

Thanks! I try

[@felixdzerzhinsky9926]

hard to die

[@antepavelicustase2445]

Gaynev