Space Marine 2 - Ranking all MAX LEVEL Class Tier List! (Tactical, Assault, Bulwark, Heavy, Sniper)

[@PrimitiveBeast]

Vanguard is amazing on its own. Personally I’ve clutched many a game with the 10% heal on major is kills.

[@richardmenz3257]

@@PrimitiveBeast that is the issue. He rating these for self value and team value. Vanguard prob the 2nd best char solo in game but very little for the team.

[@someperson1829]

@@richardmenz3257 15% recharge is insanely good for your melee teamates, far better than headshots. It works not only at executions (when the enemy glows red), but on any instakill of minoris, inc. from parries and gun strikes. I think this is what people are missing out, that's why they think it's only mid. It's not mid, it's insanaly good, I'll take it over sniper headshots any day.

[@robertglennyoung3905]

Very little for the team?, ha that is the class that will pick you up, so many times I've been last brother standing because ransoms don't party!​@@richardmenz3257

[@Freakluke274]

@@someperson1829 and sniper headshot perk leads to getting executions stolen with a headshot, and executions are a big part of staying alive as a melee. must games i played where harder if a sniper was in the team.

[@feircy]

Hate whem snipers just sit back and steal the finisher off a guy I have been 1v1ing. Thanks buddy, there goes my fucking armor and health 😂​@@Freakluke274

[@TossedSalad69]

Tactical is objectively the only S tier class in the game, it's just so above and beyond every other class. It can quite literally do what every other class does but better. That being said, I absolutely adore Bulwark.

[@roxy8977]

I would put vanguard to A cuz he can recharge his HP just by finishing majoris enemies. Vanguard basically doesn't need stim and if he has one just in case of any accidents, the mission is pretty much promised to be cleared. Also he is the only class that can do side-step melta which makes him move around all the time while also devastating enemies without getting hit.

[@Sargatas]

I would place vanguard in A and bulwark in S. Since it's max level ranking, the HP regen perk is available, vanguard can just chop through everything with ease even with some health loss, also instigator gives him versatility and ability to cover all ranges. And bulwark is just an immortal war machine that can do more damage then assault, heal the team to full health and because of having plasma pistol he still has strong range damage. Having a skilled bulwark in your team is auto win with 0 troubles. Also I would like to place the assault in S, but can't...he has atrotious range damage and despite him destroying everything with his hammer, one flying enemy can just ruin all his career.

[@someperson1829]

Not really. Heavy bolt pistol does quite good headshot damage, combined with extra pistol damage perk on assault. Never had problems with the flyers, especially given that they have big arse heads, so it's easy to make headshots.

[@Sargatas]

@@someperson1829 still x5 longer then any ranged class and x3 longer then plasma pistol. 1v1 vs neurotrope is rip by defalt, quite useless against heldrake either (unless you want to fight him until the sun goes out). Thank the Emperor the team has 2 more members for these. Though heavy bolt pistol along with +50% crit shot damage nukes elites with a single countershot. Still strong A-tier.

[@someperson1829]

@@Sargatas In the absence of infinite ammo cache heavy bolt pistol will still be of a better use than a plasma pistol, that does better damage with charged shots, but the clip goes empty pretty quite, rendering the same bulwark useless. Full ammo heavy bolt pistol > full ammo plasma pistol against any flier.

[@Sargatas]

@@someperson1829 in the end it doesn't even matter. Both classes can do pretty much the same amount of damage, but bulwark can also heal the team in addition to his own survivability. That's the main reason why I place bulwark one tier above - more team benefits. Though I play equally on both anyway...

[@someperson1829]

@@Sargatas Well, the argument was about the pistol specifically. Heavy bolt pistol does quite a big damage with headshots. The only downside compared to plasma is that it doesn't stagger majoris, other than that I prefer heavy bolt over plasma.

[@TobiasRieper_87]

I think you've got to look at this as PhaseShifter's Tier list not THE tier list. Everyone is going to have something different, granted you're going to see some overlap with common top choices. I enjoy Vanguard and Bulwark so they would be higher for me. Not sure if sniper is going to be one I fall in love with so it would probably be lower for me. You generally like what you're good at and vice versa so that affects your placement :) Cheers all.

[@mistah3687]

Yeah, as I continued to play the Tactical and level him up I started to feel he was a stellar class to play. Great at everything, has great team synergy with literally all the other classes, great weapon choices, can fit into any roll you need him to fill, he has it all in spades.

[@petercook438]

I’ve been maining Assault since launch and I’m glad to see someone giving it the credit it deserves. Ground Pound with the Zealous Blow perk rivals the melta guns in wave clearing capabilities! Gunstrikes with the heavy bolt pistol using the team perk that boosts them by 50% do monstrous damage!

[@PhaseShifter]

@@petercook438 it could easily be s-tier in some people's eyes I would say!

[@davidkilpatrick5654]

I just played a ruthless mission yesterday with a max level assault and he edged out my heavy bolter damage by like 17k vs 15k. Thunder Hammer ofc

[@tamalchakraborty5906]

Interesting bulwark ranking...this guy can saves lethal runs more than any class

[@PhaseShifter]

@@tamalchakraborty5906 yeah, this pre-lethal update. It's absolutely S-Tier now for the reason you have pointed out!

[@mageeboi]

assault over vanguard? You're crazy

[@Steir12]

Vanguard is kinda lacking tbh. His grappling hook is just a gap close tool and assault have gap close tool of his own but it also deals shitton of damage, vanguard's saving grace is melta but tactical- hands down s+ tier class has it too. Assault isnt top dog sure but it feels more impactful than vanguard at least to me.

[@Mr.Ford3350]

@@Steir12 Vanguard has its place with it's amazing 15% ability recharge for any finisher on any enemy, with no cooldown. The melta is good, but the instigator bolt carbine is actually better in my opinion given how much extra damage it does to ranged majoris enemies. His choice of a death cheat or 10% heal on finishers both give him great survivability as well. His damage is more middle of the road compared to other options, but he's still very capable of killing majoris enemies quickly and can easily handle the biggest threats by himself while providing excellent team utility

[@Steir12]

@@Mr.Ford3350 Well, if you dont pick melta and try to pewpew majoris at range why not use sniper who can oneshot them AND have 10% ability recharge perk on headshot kills (including ducking minoris) FOR THE WHOLE TEAM? Dont get me wrong im not on a mission to talk crap about vanguard and would love to see him buffed but sniper and tactical are on so other level it bonkers, especially if they are together. Imo vanguard need substantial buff to his 1v1 melee potential, it should annihilate ranged majoris in the split second after you land a grapple.

[@watertownkid2183]

Getting vanguard to max rank was the most generic zip lining experience I’ve ever had.

[@Mr.Ford3350]

@@Steir12 I'm with you on buffing vanguard's damage on majoris enemies after grappling into them. Tip of the Spear really should increase both ranged and melee damage dealt to enemies recently hit by a grapnel kick

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

Good rankings man, feel very similar after getting all classes to 25 and using most weapons. Its night and day when you're speedrunning ruthless with Tactical/Heavy/Sniper. Everything just dies so fast, no other team comp can compete with the speed and efficiency. Bolters need damage buff. I think Vanguard needs another charge of the grapple and that perk "deal damage around you when you grapple" needs to just be a default trait. That would help move him up a tier IMO.

[@synergy793]

I understand that every class feels good in its own way. I think vanguard and assault need work for sure. The jump pack needs to feel better. I think both classes need 3 charges though. I also feel that some perks new reworked. Weapon and classes

[@PhaseShifter]

You've reminded me about the jetpack dodge issue I often have. Sometimes it just wont jump in the air!!!

[@synergy793]

@@PhaseShifter yea that is one of those as well. Assault main here. All classes 25 as well

[@brandonstracener5076]

I think the Vanguard's instigator bolt carbine works fairly well at higher weapon tiers (artificer and relic tiers in particular). But I do think a lot of the early enthusiasm for the class was based on the ease with which one could shove melta into the enemy's face by grappling in.

[@corbincompton2966]

For the bulwark's contested health perk you can use a stim if you cant get an execution or after you have been revived should you go down you can pop banner and stim to heal all contested health and over heal to cure your mortal wound works for the whole team

[@BSTLIVE1]

I main a Vanguard, but recently leveled up Tactical and Heavy. Heavy with the Multi Melta is ridiculous. I've breezed every ruthless solo with Heavy with the Multi Melta getting damn near 50 shots with no reload. Vanguard and Tactical is way more challenging.

[@Sargatas]

@@BSTLIVE1 try big plasma someday. It does the same thing as multi-melta, but has more range, more damage and it nukes bosses.

[@BSTLIVE1]

@Sargatas Tried it, don't like it as much. Not a fan of charge up weapons and the whole heating and cooling of the plasmas. Multi has pretty good range and is excellent at add control and 10x better gaining back contested health.

[@Sargatas]

@@BSTLIVE1 I have a habit of parrying everything because I play on melee classes a lot, so I don't have too much contested health by defalt) But ya, it's all about preference. Though big plasma is objectively the strongest single target damage in the game with top string of perks. Also with it you can unleash your entire reserves without overheating even once. And personally I hated upgrading multi-melta. Purple version requires 6-8 shots to make an elite red. I prefer to think that every class is capable of adclear, so I always choose my weapons for being capable to also kill elites fast.

[@Popsickle666]

As someone who started with Vanguard I fully agree with this tier list. I hope they can raise up the other classes to the level of Tactical

[@Freakluke274]

would be extreamly boring. i often leave games when there is a tactical + heavy because its just boring.

[@Xizek]

Vanguard is definitely not below Assault that's for sure. Maybe on the same tier but to put it below is crazy lol.

[@Dosei76kd]

Now I cant say for teams but as a pure solo player since I dont have psn plus I will say bulwark, vanguard, sniper and tac are good. Assault just feels too slow at times to ME idk why he also cant regain health what so ever or has anything to help him with health and the only thing that helps is his gun strike shield perk which at times is useless cause all enemies will most likely be on you and ignore the bots ready to stop you from doing a gun strike and theres a bug that I keep getting when I use the perk where the takeoff spot deals damage it kills me instantly. His hammer also sucks to lvl up because you have to learn cancel animations at correct times although strong its very tedious. Thats why I chose fist. Im trying heavy with the bolter rn so for now i cant say much except its definitely feeling better than Assault lvl up wise. Anyway thats my rant.

[@FirstTourGuardsman]

Was not expecting someone to have the balls to actually put Vanguard at the bottom where he belongs as a melta spamming CDR creature. He's still good because every class is atm, but without melta you're basically a mediocre chainsworder with terrible gunstrikes compared to both Assault and Bulwark with a class perk that gives you back your mediocre grapple faster. You get 2 armor instead of 3 and the 10% hp recovery exists because your class is supposed to take more damage, but it also directly works against perks like honed reactions. 2 armor is so ass in this game it is hilarious, it was even worse before patch 3.0 but it's still horrendous and lets enemies take 70% of your HP where other classes take ZERO.

[@rivgacooper5330]

The issue is that the other two weapons are trash for this class - the instigator is one of the best weapons in the game full stop but not on a class that wants to be up front in almost melee range. The class works a little like vanguard in the old Mass Effect games, and the alternative weapons should be shotguns - a little more range then melta but less spread. Other than that the class works amazingly - the faster gain on Contested health, the increase Parry and Dodge perks, makes for a amazingly tanky build even with only two armour pips. If you lose your mobility you are screwed, but that is were skill comes in. I do agree that if you are going to use any weapon other then the melta you are a crappy version of the tactical class,

[@someperson1829]

Try balanced knife with the perks that increase radius of 2 and 3 combos. Knife is fast and those combos are ridiciously good for both crowd control and breaking blocking stance of majoris, which also provides easy gun strikes on minoris for armor management. People are seriously sleeping on the knife. I like it better than chainsword tbh. Sometimes I even manage to outmelee others with a sniper, which is quite ridicilous.

[@christopherstephens2699]

Emperor's vengeance is still bugged as of right now. It fills grenades and gives ammo on the plasma, but everything else it only fills your current magazine. It does not give you a full magazine worth of ammo. So if you reload, use one round, and kill a majoris then congratulations - you just got one round back.

[@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains]

bulwark definitely in S tier and i don't even play him

[@feircy]

Heavy's downside is not veing able to dodge out of ADS. Assault is s+ purely for the power fantasy and armor regen on gunstrike is so nice

[@ShiningDarknes]

The lack of librarian, techmarine, chaplain, and apothecary really shows when these tier lists come out. Only 6 classes is rough. Yeah, I get that the Ultrasmurfs don't use those units in the field (at least not as much as other chapters) because something something codex something something but the non-campaign co-op and pvp modes should not be limited by this given you can make your marine not look like a smurf and they do at least have those units. Maybe we'll get at least the techmarine or apothecary in near-future updates since in an interview the answer to the question "will there be more classes added to the game?" was yes there will be more classes and loadouts added in the future all for free. I'd imagine librarian and chaplain would probably take some tweaking given how problematic psykers and "faith" are to balance in 40k games historically but all 4 missing classes would require their own class-specific weapons to also be developed so I imagine we shouldn't hold our breaths on them being added.

[@krisds2617]

Does sniper team perk works with punishment shots after parry? Like can bulwark get banner back by parrying things and shooting them or it's not a headshot?

[@yall_might]

Gun strikes are the only headshots kills it doesn’t count for because they’re considered executions. The vanguard perk does gives ability charge on gun strikes, though.

[@JupiterRhys]

Vanguard is one of the funnest classes. It's also the worst. Agree with this list in its entirety.

[@davidb3155]

Vanguard, just like the Reivers on table top belong in the trashbin

[@someperson1829]

Mostly agree, but there is "but": Absolutely disagree about vanguard 15% recharge team peak. It is far better for your melee teamates, than headshots. And what people seem to miss out is that this perks works not only on standard executions (when the enemy glows red), but also on cinematic executions from minoris (when they jump at you), at normal parries (which instakill minoris) and on gun strike executions. These all are a base melee armor management, which any good always melee does anyway, and they constantly get those 15% recharge, which is a massive deal for bulwark and assault, far better than 10% for headshot kill. I also don't think that sniper is better than heavy, fusil or not fusil. That plasma after the patch is insane, it oblitarates everyone, hordes, majoris, boses, you name it. And the best team perk for heavy is the ranged damage reduction, extra ammo is good, but not that good tbh. Heavy is easily up there with tactical, his insane damage doesn't need auspex tbh. But auspex + heavy plasma makes bosses just disappear.

[@PhaseShifter]

@@someperson1829 Yo! Really good point regarding the melee Vs ranged class setups. A bulwark and/or an assault composition would benefit far more from a vanguard being in the mix than a sniper. Fair point, well made! Heavy /w plasma, tactical, sniper is absolute insanity, especially if you're in comms!

[@rhinoeye0609]

#claps - well done video

[@RobC2201_]

How dare you start off by saying "this is just my opinion", you're supposed to state definitively that these guns are the best because you are the Phase Shifter & you said so. This is my take after watching 21 complete seconds of the video 😂

[@DtpffKageThimaZ]

Tac all the way.

[@rouvenkling]

Tier list wrong bullwark s+

[@rouvenkling]

Hey there assault is the worst class every one knows

[@TimBurton-m3r]

Assault is c tier, terrible against chaos

[@someperson1829]

A little worse than against nids, but not terrible. Perhaps there is a skill issue on your part, brother.

[@vonrichthofen7515]

Bulwark above F? Wow

[@Mormegilcz]

Yeah sure another my tier list is better.... what a BS

[@PhaseShifter]

When did I say my tier list was better than that of anyone else? I'm pretty sure I stated that my tier was an opinion and welcome any constructive discussion?