SPACE TANKER | MISC Starfarer Gemini Review | Star Citizen

[@charlesshy5264]

Fun Fact: The Starfarer is one of the only ships to have a 'true' Captain's chair.

[@Farrister]

Oh that's true!! The Landscaper chair

[@Areanyusernamesleft]

I was certainly the first, but don't both the 600s and 890j have an actual Captain's chair as well? The Carrack has a standing station for the captain, but I agree that wouldn't count. ;)

[@Farrister]

I think he means a captain's chair as opposed to a pilots chair.

[@Areanyusernamesleft]

@@Farrister correct, but while I could be wrong both ships I mentioned have a separate Pilots chair as well as a Captain's chair.

[@Farrister]

@@Areanyusernamesleft oh I thought in 890 jump captain's chair was pilots chair! I willl have to go back and rewatch my video on it!

[@diamondswiss8026]

Here in 3.16.1 going into 3.17 I am kind of falling in love with this ship. Especially considering that in 3.17 it will gain the ability to refuel other ships. This also combines with the fact that CIG stated that they are heavily considering reworking the starfarer’s interior

[@Farrister]

It does look exciting, I'm very interested to see it develop

[@DecemberSeraphim]

Bro that's good news This is the ship that I'll grind for! I just really love the outside look of it And the captains chair too ahahaha

[@magnetic3815]

5:10 Those maintenance access corridors would give me the eebeejeebees with the change in lighting and mist. I do suffer from Xenomorphobia. ;-D

[@Farrister]

Haha totally

[@Starach]

Really wish they’d add a gameplay loop where you transport fuel or other liquids between stations. Make the Starfarer a specialised trading/re-supply ship as well as refuelling.

[@ELLELL99]

This is definitely one of those ships where you either love it or hate it. I loved the idea of it, so much so I pledged for it as soon as it was announced and got it with LTI. Been flying it and loving it ever since, and it's full role hasn't even been introduced yet. Don't mess with the doom turtle, put this thing into reverse in a 1 vs 1 and suddenly they are facing your main guns and misses.

[@Farrister]

I have mine as a loaner for M2 and I still use it as my primary cargo runner. There's a lot I'd see improved, but I'm more than happy to use it.

[@ELLELL99]

@@Farrister It definitely needs some love at some point, having only seen minor touch ups to the interior since it's introduction into the verse. Guess we'll be waiting a while =P

[@lyfeordeth5270]

My support fleet will definitely include one of these beasties. I feel that many people are missing just how important this ship will be as the game matures. Org's that don't own one or refuse to contract one for support will be severely limited in how and where they can deploy their fleets. CIG have stated that many upcoming star systems will dwarf Stanton and that fuel economy/ jump efficiency will see major changes. I foresee the Starfarer being given the ability to refuel ships while underway and squadrons of them (with escorts) providing critical support to large fleets operating in remote areas.

[@Farrister]

I really hope they do become very useful. Sadly, there are a lot of design problems with this one :(

[@lyfeordeth5270]

@@Farrister Yeah it's true, tho I found it encouraging to hear several devs say they are looking forward to revisiting some of the older ships. This year they do seem to be hitting more of a stride than the last few. Fingers crossed eh.

[@the_omg3242]

Not only is it expensive and kind of pointless right now, it seems a lot more unfinished than many other ship. The door from the rear walkway doesn't lock making it the easiest ship to stow away on. The elevators from the walkway to the 3rd deck don't work from outside. The crew mess has no table in the big open space where you'd expect one. The captains desk has no chair. The bathroom doors don't work in the crew quarters. Granted, this is all minor stuff that doesn't affect gameplay, but it shows a lack of attention to detail. Compared to ships like the Caterpillar, Freelancers, Constellations, Hammerhead and such it just comes off as a sloppy job.

[@Farrister]

I couldn't agree more! Which is a shame, it was one of the first big ships and I remember seeing it for the first time and the sense of scale it gave.

[@Areanyusernamesleft]

You have to remember that the Starfarers were at one point the largest ships implemented in the game (they are 90 m long and as I recall the first ship over ~60 m long) and the Starfarers haven't had any sort of rework since then (on the other hand there have been ships like Cutlass have had substantial reworks after they were first implemented). Also, CIG's designers have improved significantly since then. So in effect most of the things you mentioned (especially the interior issues) are just showing design's age compared to newer and reworked ships. Edit: I of course think that the Starfarers should at least have an update to their interiors sometime in the near or medium term. I was just giving context to why the overall design quality is different from most of the later ships.

[@o-wolf]

I can pick out a bout a dozen more design inconsistencies &airlock hazards (if they ever decide to take immersion physics seriously as they promised) But the fundamental flaw that will keep tripping them up is a lack of true vision or any kind preparation or future proofing.. for instance the Starfarer be best served being ALOT bigger than it is.. ALL the ships should.. I'd say the misc freelancer should be as big as the Starfarer with the Starfarer being the same order of magnitude larger than it currently is If SC is going to have some kind of sensible economy If "iMmErSiOn" is something they really care about as opposed to something they throw around to sound cool.. they'll need to genuinely future proof their in universe infrastructure &make these hauler like ships truly gargantuan as they would be if we had this tech irl This will mean devs with more than two braincells to rub together &know that most things will need to automated &crew quarters will need to take up or be situated in less than 5-10% of the ships with the bulk of its space going towards storage Develop a way to automate loading &unloading cargo either through automated space station/space port infrastructure or some form of shipborne robotic system that doesn't require u to PHYSICALLY unload each box one at a time by hand or that useless tractor beam emitter Things like this take common sense vision &most of all planning.. something I'm not sure these guys are capable of because for the last 10(14) yrs they've habitually shown us otherwise

[@theelusivewoodlandhobo5348]

i dont know why i love this ship and they pissed me off when they added all the dang lighting on the bridge and put the glare on your viewing window

[@Farrister]

I think the role of the ship feels very real, which is one of the attractions. It's just a shame about those gripes!

[@rickspectrum]

This really should be something that SIG disables, or allows the user to disable.

[@araphel2925]

Also for a simple fix add red lights to the ship while in flights and cockpit lights like airplane they shut the lights off and all you see is the console lights while in flight and the rest of the ship has red lights that’s what we use on the ships in the navy at night it helps hide our presence at night from being spotted by eye plus with space being so dark the red lights would work so much better but have a light switch in the bridge to control all the lights and lock them so you can still change the lights in other parts of the ship as long as the bridge slows it

[@Farrister]

We used to have to use red light too!

[@SubduedRadical]

I think you're right about the ship overall right now, but think that's the crux of the argument: Right now. Irl naval battlegroups tend to have 1 or 2 tankers for a good reason that accompany their carrier + cruiser + 2-3 destroyer fleets. Traveling in space once the game goes live, especially in more remote thoroughfares, the last thing you're going to want in your Colonial (Org) Fleet is to run out of fuel. Ships that can carry a lot of it, collect and/or refine more of it, and are efficient in traveling on what fuel they have, are going to be important for mid to large sized organizations. The Starfarer variants will be essential for any fleet that consists of ships larger than a Polaris, and probably for any fleet with ships larger than a Constellation. Certainly for any Org setting up a planetary, asteroid, moon, etc outpost, they will need ships to collect and/or refine fuel and move fuel there, at least until they can source local fuel. Even then, the Starfarer will be capable of serving as a local refinery alongside the base's refining functionality. This is in addition to its cargo hold, and its potential to refuel ships in flight, which would be invaluable for fleets that have no home and simply roam from place to place. Additional cargo for supplies and even the ability to store vehicles and small ships is never a bad thing. Yeah, it's not a combat ship, but not EVERY ship in the game is a combat ship. An army marches on its stomach, and this is also true of outposts and colonies. Even if they remove the fuel collection functionality, the refining and transport alone is significant. And at $350, this ship is the cheapest (EFFECTIVELY) capital/fleet ship you can get your hands on. If you're looking for a ship you can do things in the 'Verse now that will also be useful to your Org in the future, this ship is probably it. Even if the access "Jeffery's Tubes" give one the heeby-geebies. It's got room to store you and a friend or two's small ships inside, you can all have beds, and it actually has considerable room to walk around in. Contrast that with a Freelancer (which I love, but it's essentially a long hallway) or a Constellation (which is a slightly wider long hallway) and it's clearly got a lot more room for the crew. Finally: Remember that this was probably the first "capital" ship added to the game. That means it's probably pretty likely to get a rework at SOME point...which may see its size increase and its functionality improved. When THAT happens, the price will probably jump accordingly, but anyone grandfathered in will be along for the ride. Even if they don't ever make many changes to the interior, we know the functionality will eventually be far more useful, and if the rest of your assets are vehicles and/or small ships that will fit aboard, this gem might become even more useful for moving your own fleet between systems. Racers, in particular, might end up loving it if it gets modified to allow the Razor/M50/etc to fit inside. All in all, there are worse ships for the price, and this ship can't really get any WORSE, and is likely to get BETTER, as the game ages. So that's a point in its favor. I personally am considering getting one of these someday, just haven't quite decided yet (and also it isn't available all the time), though I'd probably go with the civilian variant to really capitalize on its strengths of cargo hauling. Even in an Org, I don't intend to be in a position where it would be getting shot at too much. If I'm moving this thing as part of a fleet, I expect to have an Idris and dozen fighters/etc, not just a lone Starfarer. : )

[@Farrister]

Definitely, I really hope a lot of the gameplay you're talking about ends up existing, because that makes this a very interesting ship. There are still a number of problems with layout etc., but the biggest problem at the moment is that the intended purpose isn't in game

[@TimeStalling]

I just bought this ship! It’s a beast!! Easy to get lost within the ship. Being a tanker it flies like one! Super sluggish but it’s awesome!

[@Farrister]

Haha so easy to get lost aboard! And wow, this review is OLD!

[@TimeStalling]

@@Farrister Thanks for the content. I have recently gotten back into SC and am actively buying ships after watching your reviews. Looking forward to more posts! I'd like to request some ground vehicle content! Thanks and have a great day!

[@ronkrueger-capt_koron6112]

Farrister, one thing to note here for your viewers is the Starfarer is what I would call a Legacy ship. It was introduced early in the development of the game and even though it's a big heavy ship, it needs some serious updating to bring it up to the standards of more recently introduced ships. I do not own one of these ships, but have had several opportunities to fly them. It's one of those ships that frankly needs gunners in the turrets to defend it, as like you said, it handles like a tanker. Slow and not very maneuverable. It has it's niche in the verse, but that hasn't really been fleshed out yet, so with the exception of it's cargo capacity, it isn't a ship that's really useful yet. Once fuel scooping and refining comes into the game, I will have it's place.

[@Farrister]

Definitely! This review video is well over a year old, and the Starfarer was dated when I made it!

[@ronkrueger-capt_koron6112]

@@Farrister Thanks for the update. I honestly didn't see the date it came out. I really didn't look for it. I just saw it as a review like any other that you've done. I still appreciated your reviews, regardless of when they were done.

[@Farrister]

@@ronkrueger-capt_koron6112 thank you :)

[@-JustHuman-]

The guns have been nerfed though, so the sizes it comes with is it's maximum size now. So size 4 on chin, size 3 on back turrets and size 5 on top turret.

[@Farrister]

Ah, I'd say that's a shame, but I never tried it with anything larger

[@TheRealMiniIsHere]

did a rescue, saw this ship went to board it for exploring and got lost, now im watching this video for info on it and how to find my way out as the main doors are locked and can only use lift to get in or out as the NPC is the captain..... I also aimed my gun at his head and went "Look at me, i am the captain now"

[@TheRealMiniIsHere]

update: I found my way out, the npc flew away from my ship so I needed rescue xD

[@Farrister]

Haha good job!

[@TypicalDad1980]

If they wanted to make this ship more popular prior to a gold standard pass or just after one all theyd need to do is make the cargo containers that have been mentioned to replace the fuel canisters. If they did this before the Hull C, D, E it would be the largest capacity hauler in game and I bet many C2 pilots would flock to it. I fly a lot of bigger ships and also feel when it does get a rework it needs an upgrade to 2 Size 3 shields like what is common on most size 5 ships such as the Caterpillar, Hammerhead, Hercules Starlifters, Carrack and 600i. Afterall the Gemeni variant is the military variant and it is a substantially larger ship than the CAT, 600 and even Hercules as it pertains to mass. Currently having 1 Size 3 shield like a 400i or Constellation which are about 1/10 the mass of a Starfarer seems anemic. But I also remember the Constellation use to have Size 2 shields before a re-work so I am thinking the Starfarers shields will be upgraded at some point as well. My recommendation would be to see the Starfarer go to 2 size 3's and the Gemini variant get 3 size 3's like the Reclaimer and a beefier powerplant as well.

[@Farrister]

100% agree on the cargo pods, would make this so much more accessible for people

[@AgentXRifle]

Gonna have to redo this one once refueling is in the game. After the demo, it looks like a decent game loop!

[@Farrister]

Yeah, looked fun! Although could be rife with piracy lol

[@alandab]

I have a feeling CIG has gone through the ship and fixed or upgraded a lot of missing elements in the SF for 3.17. I would love to see a review on the ship and its new mechanics at that tine.

[@VICT0RLAZL0]

I believe you didn't comment on the missiles. It come with 9 size 3 but the info say 9 size 6 - also the top turret at a size 6 and back turrets at size 5. The pilot should only need to keep it steady while the Gunners kill everything lol. Unless they leave her with the stock weapons size 5 and 3 that it comes now with.

[@pjt1096]

Do we got any idea when this ship is gonna get reworked? or redesigned, I don’t know the proper wording

[@Farrister]

I'm not sure, but it feels like it needs it!

[@pjt1096]

@@Farrister They definitely need to make the cockpit easier to see out

[@Dj3ndo]

I'm debating using my next buyback token on this ship. I'm very interested in the industrial side of things and this ship offers many gameplay elements like hauling, refining and refueling. Just hope they'll give it a make over some time and adjust the flight model a bit. As for the video, I like how you present and narrate. I only would suggest maybe looking into a slightly better mic as there is a lot of background static and your current mic seems to peak in audio levels a lot. Other than that, consider me a new subscriber and keep up the nice content!

[@Farrister]

Thanks Djendo - I might be tempted to wait for some of those features before hitting buy back. I hope I have fixed my mic troubles in my latest video - I don't think it was the mic I use, but the change in volume I did in processing. Thanks for the feedback!

[@etmix7722]

Great video as usual! Watched it multiple times, but can’t decide: Any suggestion on regular Starfarer vs Gemini? Are there still plans for the Gemini to have reduced fuel capacity? I’m planning to use it to refuel my other ships, avoiding the high fuel cost on the bigger(capital) ships.

[@Farrister]

Honestly it's difficult to know right now. The literature would still suggest maybe, but I don't know :(

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Originally the G was supposed to have lower capacity (2 fewer tanks or armored tanks with smaller cap), better armor, bigger guns. A cargo refactor/recalculation came out about that time, fixing the inerior capacity where we see it now, and no further mention of what was going to happen with the external stores. The design has languished, with no updates. IMHO the ship needs a complete interior rework, and a lot of what the Starfarer will be is yet to be finalized until fuel gathering/refining/refueling is completed.

[@Primarch_Corvus_Corax]

I wanna get that ship, reminds me of the nostromo

[@Farrister]

Sure has that feel to it - even more so the Reclaimer if you've seen that?

[@Primarch_Corvus_Corax]

@@Farrister i have, its just more likely that ill be able to get the starfarer sooner cause i gotta get on the grind for it. I havent even gotten high level bounties yet. Definitely wanna get both as well as the hammer head, just gonna take ages

[@Lead1121]

I know they will rework the inside but I hope they dont change the industrial/military feel of it. It feels like something out of an alien movie! I love this feeling

[@Farrister]

Have you seen the Reclaimer? That's even more so!

[@Lead1121]

oh for sure! I own it for that reason alone!@@Farrister

[@oleg6644]

100k per hour from trading seems very low. Freelancer MAX with only 120SCU can provide about 400k. With Starfarer you can get 100k from a 10min agricium run from Daymar to PO. With current economy agricium supply is limited to 180SCU and you fill the rest with cheaper stuff. So 600k per hour is more appropriate for this kinda cool, but outdated and buggy ship :D

[@Farrister]

Yeah I think that was more a symptom of previous patch and more people trading reducing supply

[@Admin-Media]

how do u get that life display hud to show up in the bottom left of ur hud????/ PLEASE i wanna turn mine on

[@Farrister]

Sadly the footage is over a year old and they've changed how the HUD displays since then :(

[@WanderLusting]

Thanks for the review.. I pledged for this when it first came out and have still never flown it. Was waiting for fuel game play to be developed. . . So we will see. . but i do think the layout sucks.

[@Farrister]

Ah I agree on the layout :(

[@Jerry-sw8cz]

has the fuel delivery been unlock yet? otherwise there is really no point in this ship...

[@Farrister]

Sadly no...

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

The Starfarer is now a bit of a dichotomy. It is a very old design, that has yet to have its functions implemented. Interior layout is a mess. There have been some small interior updates, but beyond minor things, it has been an ignored ship. (For example CIG abandoned vertical ship docking collars long ago, but the Starfarer has an entire room still dedicated to a vertical dock collar.) So while it is a ship that has been around far longer than most, it is far behind everything else in design and updates, and CIG has learned a LOT about ship design over the years. The entire interior needs to be scrapped and brought up to current design. Components, exterior cargo pods, refueling, gas harvesting, and refining all have to be implemented.

[@Farrister]

Will be very interested to see if they revisit it

[@JamestheKilljoy]

After doing the XenoThreat event, weird seeing this ship in one piece....

[@Farrister]

Haha true xD

[@melissaharway4547]

I love the look of the ship inside and out, real shame it isn't that good

[@Farrister]

I think it probably just needs a bit of dev love :(

[@kevinishki]

Yeah why are the gemini top turret guns so small compared to the pictures and the wrong size

[@Sarrienne]

OMG, you sounded so tinny back in those days. It's like I'm on the phone to you, or something!!

[@Farrister]

Oh I know, I'm constantly trying to keep improving the quality

[@Sarrienne]

@@FarristerWell, you know how much I love your 'not-from-Hull' accent already!

[@araphel2925]

We don’t like all the extra rooms and space for practicality we like it for the roll play and the potential of what we can do with it if I just walk into a ship and boom cockpit sure it’s more practical but then it’s boring too this is a multi crew ship your reviewing as a single player keep in mind when the game is in full bore this ship WILL require a full crew to use and most the money it makes will be in fuel and supposedly it can fuel scoop and process fuel on its own so might as me of the best money makers as for the military version I can see it used to haul weapons for troops and laying mines rather then being used to haul trains goods so less profit and more situational military applications for big organizations

[@Farrister]

No that's fair, but the long walk to the cockpit is still a consideration for players :)

[@PhillipLemmon]

Why would anyone get this ship? The refueling gameplay mechanic is not in the game yet. The only TRUE mechanic that's in the game and works...... is MINING. Now maybe they get this ship in the likely event that they put refueling in the game. But why would you buy it now?! Now in not knocking the ship.... It's a huge great ship but,... Not needed right now.

[@Farrister]

I agree. I have it in my inventory as a loaner for an M2 Hercules, and it's been alright for running cargo, but just no comparison to the caterpillar. It's nice that CIG are filling out the verse with ships like this, and I have no doubt it would be a fun FPS location for SQ42, but sadly I'll not miss it!

[@ObsidianMirage]

Well there really isn't a whole lot to do in star citizen anyway at the moment. So you're essentially getting a ship with Large class everything for half if not a third the price ($350) of other large ships (Carrack is 480 ccu base, HH is 770, and of course big bertha 800jump is 1200 on the grey market which is the only way to buy it ATM) . You can fly solo, like I do, well and a full crew is 2-3 people for massive turrets. Having Large shields cooler, QT drives and tanks PLUS the ability to put vehicles and small ships in the bay made me buy this ship a few minutes ago. I see no place but up for this ship as long as development continues in the main game. ;)

[@PhillipLemmon]

I think you may have just changed my mind about this ship dude! thank you!

[@BetaX425]

@@Farrister same for me, it is ungainly in every single way that I can mention, but it is my largest cargo ship until the C2 is released.

[@ScumAndVillains]

I love the interior, but hate the hull in the exterior. So damn ugly.

[@Farrister]

Might get an update one day?

[@o-wolf]

theyve got the ship sizes in star citizen ALL wrong. The freelancer should be around this size.

[@Farrister]

I think a lot of the ship "sizes" are quite legacy, at this point

[@o-wolf]

@@Farrister how do u mean?

[@SolarWindsRider]

The layout of this ship is awful. You can really see how much it sucks on missions to find cargo or crew in crashed starfarer. Especially if it's in space or lying upside down. It actually looks like this ship was designed as a maze level for such missions and only later they decided they might actually make it flyable for players.

[@Farrister]

It really is - hope it's addressed in the rework

[@fascistphilosophy5649]

hundreds of dollars ? I hope you get your money's worth -_-;

[@Farrister]

Right now, I'm not sure that you do...