SPACE WOLVES PRIMARIS SUCCESSOR CHAPTERS! HOW DID GRIMNAR REACT?

Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here!
Today we discuss the future of the lineage of Leman Russ... Primaris Successor chapters of the Space Wolves are here! So just how did Grimnar react?
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[@harrylane7817]

I’ll be honest. It’s not the Grimnar and Guilliman conversation I want to see, it’s the Bjorne and Guilliman one. The only loyalists to know actually what Russ was like, not just the stories of him.

[@Dreadbringer]

Too true. The OG Astartes remember!!!

[@churchofnope]

Tbf grimnar has more Balls than Russ or Bjorn ever had. Cutting a GK Captain in half, giving the inquisition headache for years etc. Dude's crazy af. Grimnar is the type of individual, Guilliman should talk to and maybe, just maybe, could get along with.

[@harrylane7817]

@@churchofnope not denying Grimnar is a badass. I just think there could be some absolute gold between Guilliman and Bjorne. Kinda like two elderly people going “back in my day...”

[@Dreadbringer]

@@harrylane7817 grimnar should be put in a Leviathan dreadnought AND a new chapter master chosen.

[@MakinaMakinaMakina]

@@Dreadbringer If that happens I hope it’s Blackmane who gets the job.

[@Divenity]

Guilliman speaking to Grimnar? I want to see him talk to Bjorn.

[@17mindgate]

...That would be very interesting.

[@zarektheinsane6656]

Guilliman : You are taller than I remember, Bjorn. Bjorn: And you are just as ugly

[@bizarreworld2510]

Guilliman would just take some dog treats for him

[@Dreadbringer]

That would be nice, but what i really want Is the return of the Wolf & the Lion.

[@iloveplayingpr]

@@zarektheinsane6656 Hahaha!

[@franklinjohnson1098]

Likes for the algorithm god, comments for the comment throne.

[@RevRaptor898]

Drama for the drama queen 'sssss

[@alberto5770]

@@RevRaptor898 why are you introducing the ultramarines here?

[@masstv9052]

@@alberto5770 because that's what Drama Daemons do....It's in their nature.

[@D3sToD3s]

How about the "Wolflords of Rho" as a chapter name? Rho could be some frozen Scandinavian planet or whatever.

[@chrisspink8873]

Would be dope if someone at GW made small lore chapters referencing big 40k channels!

[@Dreadbringer]

Mmm not every dog can be alpha cousin, equally not every spacewolf can be a wolflord, only those who lead the great companys.

[@WoVic]

Wolves of Rho then...

[@edenromanov]

@@Dreadbringer that never stopped the “Night Lords” lol

[@Dreadbringer]

@@edenromanov in doing what?

[@Ideo7Z]

Something tells me the lack of successor chapters of wolves is Magnus' final middle finger to Russ.

[@standarddeviation7963]

It makes ZERO sense why Magnus would work to ensure the Primaris would happen(protecting the remnants of the shattered legions so they could secure and protect and hide the Magna Mater (Sangprimus Portum), but actively work to prevent the Tempering of the Space Wolves (which was essentially the same thing minus the upgrades, aka whitewashing the Space Wolves to enable successor chapters) It makes no sense. Huge plot hole. The only thing I can figure is that Magnus was ensuring the Primaris existed because SPOILERS FOR FURY OF MAGNUS!!!!! During the siege he planned to find his missing shard, then use his fleets he sent away prior to Prospero to defeat whichever side came out on top and take his place as leader of humanity. So all his attempts at ensuring the Primaris would exist in the future were done with this in mind, that he would be leading the Imperium and would need the Primaris in the future. When that didn't happen, his priorities changed.

[@flameknightplayz2939]

@@standarddeviation7963 how the fuck did he know about the Primaris?

[@standarddeviation7963]

@@flameknightplayz2939 We don't know what he knew or what his intentions were, we just know he or one of his shards helped Vulkan and the Shattered Legions navigate through the warp to reach Terra and he parked his flagship between the Shattered Legions ship and some Black Legion/World Eaters (can't remember which) cruisers which were gonna atomize them. He kept helping the shattered legions in their final mission, so we must assume he saw the future and knew about the Primaris. Perhaps he hoped to use the tech in the future to save his legion? We don't know exactly.

[@stephaniehaney736]

@@flameknightplayz2939 he's a potent psycher who could foresee future events. An example of this is he for told of Horus's betrayal and tried to stop it but got screwed in the end.

[@allenzelt4481]

@@standarddeviation7963 magnus the loyalist... Sort of

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

dont forget, that a big reason why the wolfs never made another successor chapter, was Magnus's first great attack on fenris, that succeeded in destroying their hope for a purified geneseed.

[@jimminey-fooking-cricket4903]

Battle of the Fang in the space marine battle books iirc.

[@flameknightplayz2939]

Deserved, all is dust.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@jimminey-fooking-cricket4903 Yes, thanks for the fodnote/reference.

[@commanderfarsight2351]

That's what they get for being hypocrites.

[@blingsing5383]

@@commanderfarsight2351 that's a strange way to spell loyal

[@ashclaw2306]

A Primaris werewolf in terminator armour becoming a Wulfen... Even kharn should be scared.

[@Or_Am_I_Alpharius]

A primaris with terminator armour would be cool, but gravis will have to do haha

[@Dreadbringer]

@@Or_Am_I_Alpharius wacale i hate gravis way More than erebus and bugs.

[@Aristaios]

nah he's got his plot armour he'll be fine

[@Dreadbringer]

I like kharn loyalty to His father but a khorne berserker surviving for so long Is such BS Man. Its like the Astartes versión of sly marbo.

[@georgestauber2636]

Ugh furries.....

[@captainflapjax7240]

Gotta call the new chapter Corgi Claws, the Corgomancer has seen it written in the future.

[@richardvaldes3959]

Call in the corgi-nators!

[@TankFerretPresents]

I want to see that!!

[@Dreadbringer]

Ah the Corgi fangs jajajajaja

[@instantjizz]

I hope there are multiple....the pug posse can give them corgi claws some competition.

[@marcus4046]

I'm trying not to cry about tts.......why is this the top comment.....

[@mikeincarnation1484]

Should call the new chapter the StarFoxes. Their war cry, “Do a barrel roll!”

[@stevenhernandeznon-profitf968]

Amazing!!!

[@trenchtierstudios554]

Boooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@prime1collector792]

The Flesh Terriers, because everyone loves a Yorkie!

[@kennethjohnston9736]

Don’t forget that one of the most important traits of all terriers, from the biggest pit terrier to the smallest yorkie , is tenacity!

[@liam1666]

I always thought terrier was a miss spelling of terror 😂😂 *i have a patadale terror* lol

[@emerson21962]

We need more Sons of Russ. The Space Wolves Legion have been hit real hard

[@emerson21962]

This is coming from a Son of the Lion

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@emerson21962 We all know deep down, the Dark Angels and Space Wolves care about each other. I still don't know why neither Leman or The Lion didn't tell their sons that they buried the hatchet.

[@standarddeviation7963]

There was supposed to be a pre primaris version of the Space Wolves that would allow for successors, but Magnus used the Wolf Brothers and himself as bait to draw the majority of the Space Wolves into the Eye and laid siege to Fenris in order to kill the Apothecary responsible and destroy all his work and records.

[@Dreadbringer]

@@emerson21962 i Salute you my battle brother AND i agree(son of the Lion too).

[@Dreadbringer]

@@randomcenturion7264 the ancient Lion & Wolf sons know they are Best of friends my battle brother, though that doesnt take the rivalry to be the Best we also remember the hatred of the emperor of religions, exterminators and executioners we aré AND i am proud of both lineages, but we really need back our genesires.

[@viewernewest]

I think the space wolves successors could withstand the genetic flaws of the past. The blood angels problem isn't just genetic, it's psychological. The double handicap of mind and body was too much for even the primaris.

[@robbomegavlkafenryka6158]

The Red Thirst is Genetic and the Black Rage is baked into their geneseed because iirc the Blood Angel stores were destroyed during the Heresy and they had to use seed produced by those that were now exposed to the Rage.

[@MrHellsing76]

I imagine nothing will be as difficult as the Space Wolves being on the same planet as the Grey Knights or Inquisition....

[@Spacefrisian]

The curse is still a thing in the Primaris, it has already been touched upon in the previous Spacewolves codex. Most notably the Inceptors.

[@dakvesser9588]

Good, get them all infected with it, purge them and the rest of the primaris, done :)

[@plaugemarine]

Chapter successor name: Fangs of Fenris, Ice wolves, Krakens bite. Any other ideas I ran out.

[@wolf9448]

Guilliman see the inquisition as threat, and if wolves went to war with the inquisition Guilliman would side with wolves.

[@mfiore71292]

You're absolutely right my man He would side with the Wolves and so would all of the Ultramarines and all their successors chapter's

[@Dreadbringer]

And then the Lion and His sons would side with them too, i just cant wait for that my cousins.

[@jimsparro]

most (if not all) all the 1st and 2nd founding (the ones who were founded by people who actually heard the emperors and their primarchs words and orders) would side with the wolves then the vast majority of their successors would follow their example, as would many/most of the major worlds of the imperium and their imperial guard who have long histories with their neighbouring chapters. The custodian guard would probably side with the wolves (not sure if they would actually join the fight or just give vocal/private support). The mechannicus would probably join the marines. The eccleisiarchy and the sororitas would probably side with the inquisition or stay neutral. The assasinorum would probably serve both sides. The navy would largely side with the marines due to a long history of fighting side by side. The war would be short and very bloody (for the inquisition).

[@Dreadbringer]

@@jimsparro though at the end the question Is in 41k does the Emperor want this religión?(for ascensión purposes) or Is he an unwilling deity that still doesnt want to be worshipped and just goes along couse he doesnt have a choice? We need More primarchs returning and interacting with the Emperor.

[@ger5956]

Remember to like and comment to appease the almighty algorithm 👍🏼

[@marsfreelander5969]

Sucuygar vod

[@Dreadbringer]

This Is the way.

[@blackouthorus1519]

Now we just need haegr the great running around with a bucket on his foot ,BOASTING.

[@MrPiccolop]

legends are made of this xD

[@RevantheBlack]

While he brandishes a turkey leg to bludgeon his enemies with.

[@thesquirrelherder]

You made my tear up again- damn you.

[@Faultl3ssLyc0n]

This makes me both sad, and deniably happy at the same time....

[@markrtoffeeman]

Never mind wardens. They will be the executioners of Chaos and heretics. The Space Wolves. As an Ultramarine. I look forward to seeing that day.

[@WolfingtonStanley]

Hopefully the sons of Russ will eradicate the heretical inquisition

[@nickweston6472]

I thought the Salamanders didn’t have successors either. I thought it was down to both legions being to nice to everyday people :p

[@jaredwasserman1092]

New codex introduced four new Primaris Salamander successors.

[@nonya1366]

@@jaredwasserman1092 Supposed Salamander Successors, the covenant of fire could be Word bearer gene stock [Sons of Phoenix as being the obvious earlier traitor genestock]

[@jaredwasserman1092]

@@nonya1366 Not touching that. Sons of the Phoenix are listed Imperial Fists. Every other "assumed traitor" chapter has a missing or redacted progenitor. Everything else about them has no reason not to be coincidence.

[@nonya1366]

@@jaredwasserman1092 Come now, Cawl himself asked Gulliman to use the Traitorious geneseed- And gulliman, rightly so, presumed that Cawl did so regardless. Who else could doctor the genetic lineage of a chapter other then Cawl? Further, Cawl specifically has what is basically a pet chapter as well from the salamander stock, with the Black Vipers.

[@jaredwasserman1092]

@@nonya1366 Cawl Inferior. Cawl himself is unaware. And no, I'm not going to take what is a massive red herring as fact. The existence of traitor geneseed Primaris chapters, fine. But specifically the ones that appear to be screaming it so loud that it's laughable? Absolutely not. Total coincidence pulled from their homeworld culture.

[@dariuszmajecki]

Honestly as much as I like the idea of successor Space Wolf chapters I hate the fact that they are made almost entirely of Primaris... I would also love seeing some successors to demand being assimilated by Space Wolves instead of being successors. I would also love seeing Grimnar talk with Roboute Guilliman and what's more seeing Ultramarines Primarch speak with Bjorn the Fell-Handed and remembering Bjorn when he was still not in Dreadnought form! It would be such nice touch for Bjorn fans.

[@jaredwasserman1092]

Their new codex mentions that when the Space Wolf Primaris chapters arrived on Fenris, the Space Wolves sent some of their own Firstborn to join the new chapter. So unlike other Ultima Founding chapters, the Space Wolf successors have both Firstborn and Primaris.

[@guardsmengunner]

Even though I am a follower of Rogal Dorn and the Lord of Iron, Perturabo, I would love to see extended stories of these new arrivals, these new sons of Russ, I can even picture it in my head. Companies of the Vlka Fenryka are engaged in fierce combat against a horde of daemons and traitor marines, when from the sky comes gunships roaring upon the scene, bearing the marks of wolves themselves, but entirely different colors. After a fuselage of fire from the gunships, they touch down just barely enough for the brothers of the Vlka Fenryka to storm down their ramps, their chapter master himself leading the charge with a double headed battle axe in his hand, being followed by his brothers who are garbed in the Primaris pattern armor, but they are sons of Russ all the same. "For the glory of the Wolf King and the All-Father, we shall know no fear!!" The chapter master roars to his fellow brothers as they charge forward into the fray, bolter weapons chattering and melee weapons at the ready. On this day, they would prove themselves to be sons of Russ and fight alongside their brothers of the Vlka Fenryka. From this day until the end of time, they are the Sons of Leman Russ and they shall know no fear.

[@saltedllama2759]

A recent White Dwarf had another Primaris-only successor chapter, The Wolfspear, as well as rules for them.

[@Sandrock313]

The Wolfspear were also in the new Codex supplement but for some reason, they have a different colour scheme to what was previously shown.

[@sevatar2777]

Listening to dark imperium rn their name came up

[@220soccer]

An Idea for your own successor Chapter " Sages of the Storm" lead by unique space wolf Chaplins, the chapter has a keen focus on recording and reciting the sagas of the past to ensure the Wolf King is not forgotten. I always found it weird that Space wolves didn't have unique chaplains similar to their Librarians. Clad with wolf skull helmets and the sagas of their kin at heart.

[@scelestus2717]

Wolfpriests are exactly that.

[@220soccer]

@@scelestus2717 Didn’t realize they were a thing; that’s perfect though.

[@lycanbroadcastingnetwork]

As a Space Wolf player... how have I not found your channel until just now?

[@alejandrorp5160]

Failing to mention the Wolfspear wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wolfspear makes you unworthy of the title of Wolf Lord, effective immediatly. From now on and until Russ' return you shall be known as 'Lone Wolf Rho'. You shall have no pack, no kin, no rank. You shall find no shelter in Fenris. Until then.

[@Da5hau]

Two things, Wolfspears made it to the Codex, Page 15. I would like to see Bjorn talk to Gilliman, Gilliman is always talking about having no one from his time.

[@codeydewey8924]

Bjorn and Dante talking with Guilliman would be cool

[@Askethanoras]

Id love if Bootyman would be like ''I seen you before''

[@Da5hau]

@@Askethanoras Or the question were is Russ, to see how that would trigger Bjorn ;)

[@alejandrorp5160]

Not mentioning the Wolfspear nor acknowledging the potential encounter between Guilliman and Bjorn. You call yourself a Son of Russ?! And a Wolf Lord at that!? SHAME!!

[@randomcenturion7264]

At last, the Sons of Russ may expand. Chaos and Xenos scum better watch their backs. For The Emperor's Executioners are returning to strength once more.

[@zarektheinsane6656]

The Slayer himself has seen the Primaris do a semi shift to Wolfen and then come back to their sences and let them be. For Ulrik to let any wolf bitten go, even a Primaris, says alot for the ability to control the Curse.

[@MaffBowers]

The storyline ideas for 40K are endless, really. And I'm especially liking these newer novels about massive, sweeping, galactic events

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Wolf Brothers The Wild Hunt Vagarian Guard (historical reference) Alpha Wolves/Canis Primus

[@gary_goes_ham198]

Could you imagine Guilliman, Russ, and Johnson all leading the imperium?

[@zackholloway324]

How about the Skalds of Russ.. Lore seekers and keepers of the sacred sagas.

[@Dreadbringer]

Nice

[@SANESX]

So I came to realized original Wolfspear in novel basically gatekeeper just like Wolf Brother. Well played.

[@hydradominatus3641]

The Blood Wolves. Black and Crimson with Silver trim. A Red Full Moon dripping blood in a black background. Just a thought.

[@Duppyman695]

Very cool! Space Wolf + Blood Angel = badass Marines !

[@mfiore71292]

Yes just Yes

[@Dreadbringer]

You mean a chimeric chapter? Would be kinda nice. A wulfen with wings? Maybe that would be way too much

[@MetaL556]

@@Dreadbringer A wulfen with wings and the Black Rage. Imagine something like Murderfang getting a shot of that on top of everything else.

[@arcaneforge8749]

Take each great company and split them off into chapter sized formations. Name them after their Wolf Lords. Iron wolves, Death wolves, Sons of Morkai etc.

[@maximgun3833]

If the Inquisition and Space Wolves do go into conflict again, it'd be interesting to see how Guilliman reacts. Especially if he ever finds out about the Months of Shame.

[@sunbabybull]

I think Cawl should focus on making the Wulfen more intelligent, that way they are able to control themselves and become a new company within the Space wolf legion.

[@NewGuy2534]

Yet again, another Chapter Master wary of the Guillimarines turned complete complacent by a quick conversation with Papa Smurf. I know GW wants the high acceptance numbers to work, but the two Chapters I knew who would be outright against the Primaris were the Space Wolves and Dark Angels.

[@xenoblad]

I don’t get how Russ could easily be fine with killing Magnus without hesitation for violating a rule about warp powers, but hesitate to kill Horus even though he literally started a civil war. Like where is the consistency. Does Russ just hate nerds and thinks of Horus as a fellow dude bro?

[@amirhafizmohdruslan9667]

This video made my day. Thank you, from a Raven Guard and Space Wolves Astartes player.

[@barlotardy]

If I had to guess, I'd say the wolf brothers upon being founded, were given their own recruiting world. As the original members fell, they were replaced with non-Fenrisian recruits, who couldn't handle Russ' geneseed. Because something something wolfplanet something.

[@Blah81150]

The wolf will wolf during the wolf time to prevent the wolf from wolfing.

[@nonya1366]

Well, the short answer is: When you have a population of wolves, since there is no wolves on Fenris, they don't mesh well. The long answer is the original settlers of fenris got Genetic enhancements for the planet, then degraded into actual wolves. Their genetics then intermingled with the second wave of colonists, and that's what the space wolves draw from, and what Russ tailored the geneseed too. Now re-read the third line. There is no wolves on Fenris.

[@TherealSBlair]

I would be more interested in a conversation between Guilliman and Bjorn the Fell Handed.

[@Ashtor1337]

Papa Smurf says "I do what I want!" And the tin can says " growly growl growl your an idiot".

[@timothylyons5686]

It depends how much money Games Workshop needs after all with Blackmane having crossed the Rubicon anything a possible.

[@seanp5600y]

sorry but Azrael allegedly commands all the Unforgiven there has never been verified prof of this happening

[@Kurogane335]

If you ever do the contest (or even if I missed it), here would be my entry : wh40khomebrew.fandom.com/wiki/Dawn's_Wolves ^^

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

Hmmm... marines mutating into Wulfen without any explanation? I blame Magnus.

[@GunNutproductionsOG]

This line “The space wolves would use the Primaris their own way” to paraphrase makes me wonder if units like Blood Claws and Sky claws could be made up of Primaris doing the same roles as melee troops rather then the wolves using the roles they’d have in Ultramarines. Honestly the only reason I wonder is because I wanna do an animation with those Primaris action figures and make them space wolves but been trying to figure out if those “roles” units like the Blood Claws are a first born marine only unit. Also I wonder if the Primaris gene seed is saved for only marines shipped from Mars or can actual Fenrisans can be implanted with Primaris gene seed if available?

[@007JackBourne]

ugh. the rout doesnt need successor chapters! because the space wolves never broke apart, all they need is re enforcement

[@harrythomas5030]

Well, theres a few ways to take what we know of the fall of the Wolf brothers and the argument about unstable geneseed doesn't stand. The legion were terran before they were fenrisian. In HH book 7: inferno theres a passage that hints that fenris didnt have the population required to use for a legion, so in order to get the legion up and running its implied that Russ and the Emperor had millions of people from death worlds all across the imperium, abducted, mind wiped and transported to live on fenris. Ofcourse the narrator points out that such and undertaking is madness but does wonder if theres truth to it given that fenris didnt have a large enough population. So going back tonthe wolf brothers and what we learn from War/Battle of the fang. We see then chapter master Iron helm hunt magnus with almost the entire chapter at his back to a world magnus made in the image of prospero. Magnus reveals what happened to the wolf brothers calling them 'the Bane of Wolves'. They were mutated, not by the wulfen curse but very much by tzeentch. Described as having multiple eyes, tentacles, crab claws and more. Even on a bad day the wulfen gene doesnt do this to those affilcted. Thats taint by the hand of magnus. So we can interpret that it was part of Magnus' plan to convince the wolves they cannot have successors. You do that by corrupting the only successors (who being half the remaining legion are mostly gonna be fenrisians) and by destroying wyrdmakes tempering to cure the wulfen gene. With both options cemented into the chapter psyche, they are the sole inheritors of the primarchs legacy, convinced they cannot have successors due to fears of mutation causing problems for future chapters and no say to fix the problem. Thus the sons of russ ring of steel around the eye cannot happen and really depletes the chapters effectiveness going forward. This is my interpretation from the sources listed above, book 7 inferno and War of the fang. This also lends towards Cawl being able to create successors but them still succumbing to the wulfen gene. What planet they come from makes no difference in the end as the wulfen gene affects them all. Thanks for reading!

[@scelestus2717]

That is a much better theory than most. Good one.

[@shadowstar1002]

What! No mention of the Wolfspears Primaris Chapter? They’re in the W40K Wiki so they’re good as canon.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

I love the wolves getting successors. They have hung by a thread for so long and i want it to become a rope that hangs traitors, but i can understand why some are upset.

[@kynanwilliams8012]

For Russ and The Allfather!

[@Relyk714]

First and foremost, this was an awesome video! I love the lore going into this to justify my chapter of Space Marines I made with the Indomitus box set. I created a successor chapter named Podex Ursa ( It's a play on "OH SH*T! A BEAR" in latin) using a brown, gold, brass, and emerald color scheme. Feel free to check them out on my instagram by the same username as here. I'd love your feedback the idea of shifting to a bear as Primaris are larger and stronger.

[@danielbanbury378]

Are Wolfspear not mentioned in the Space Wolves codex?

[@strongforce79]

How close in power and Height are the Primaris to the Primarchs?

[@TheBongReyes]

I’d assume closer than Astartes but still far inferior to a Primarch. It’s shown that Custodes are still superior to Primaris.

[@Dreadbringer]

2.5 meters Is the standart of primaris as 3meters Is the standart of Primarchs though not even close in power, just More durable AND resilient than Astartes.

[@reubenkaychengong2194]

The successor chapter will be bloodpack, hunter of vengeance, red, gray and black

[@zsoltgyuricza6961]

Now the Space Corgi chapter can be a real thing. Like the Emperor decreed. With Corgomencers, Corgilords, Corgiriders etc!

[@dndlover2690]

As a son of sanguinius, may the new sons of Russ be as great as their predecessors!

[@zedhiro6131]

I really hope GW get rid of the werewolf theme for SW or at the very least tone it down. They should return to beings Vikings with a wolf motif.

[@tsioulak]

I agree, tone it down.

[@1Chaosadnd]

It seems like they started to with this Codex. At least that's my take on it. I also love the viking theme, not so much the wolf.

[@johnathanblackwell9960]

@@1Chaosadnd It's pretty much ingrained in their history since one of Russ' men who held thought of betrayal, greed, and envy towards Russ in his heart got turned into a werewolf from drinking the cainis helix right at the begining

[@Thabooka]

How strong are the Space Wolves? They was like 11,000 strong back in the day - I need a update. Does anybody know the strength of the Black Templars?

[@kennethbedwell5188]

I Am excited about it. But I am.keeping my great company, but adjusting it. I am incorporating a unit of each known successor chapter into the Great company as part of its structure to teach them the ways of Russ. Epically since they will not be the Jailers of the Damned but Gaolers of the Damned also they are need to guard Guillman And if you think about it, The Vylka Fenrika has fought 2 entire legions to a complete and total standstill, The World Eaters and the Sons of Horus. There is no other legion that can say that.

[@icemancold5974]

If there was any sign of mutations, Vlka Fenryka would probably do the purging themselves even if it was at high cost.

[@j.celgoog3275]

A meeting between Guilliman and Grimnar ? That's funny, I thought about that the day before the video :P

[@shuginubi]

like true wolf, Grimnar accepted hs brethren.

[@manuelmamann5035]

didnt you created a fan world? could be the hunting grounds for your chapter.

[@TheStarkManCometh]

Comment to fight the abominable intelligence

[@jamiecunningham8394]

The battle for the Fang had quite abit on this and loosely hinted at the link of the people and the gene seed and had a part where Magnus destroys a wolf priest and his workings on the subject. The space wolves were the only loyal chapter that wasn't forced to adhere to the 5% gene stock after the failure of the Wolf brothers (who still exist as has a handful of brothers scattered). So it would be interesting to know how the grubby Cawl got his hands on it. But at the end of the day it's the new class of GW ruining what little cannon was solid in favour of selling these new shiny Mary Sue sigmarines by tearing away the character and back story of the first founding legion/chapters. Dark Angels - one if not the only chapter to have sway on what and when successor chapters are made. Secrecy and mistrust issues with other imperial bodies and a distaste of outsiders trying to manage chapter business. Blood Angels - while being highly respected and loved by the imperial as a whole started seeing less and less successor founding's using their more degrading gene seed. Salamanders - being left as the smallest of legions and their high levels of mutation they were in away pardoned from the burden of creating successors, tho this has not meant that in later founding's that their gene seed hasn't been used to create a small number of unknow/linked chapters (looking at you Black Dragons and Storm Giants). Iron Hands Raven Guard and White scars are all in the same boat with similar levels of genetic flawing but are often used to form successors when more blatant character traits are wanted in these new chapters. Imperial Fists and Ultramarines - as we know where at one point the largest legions going after the 3rd Rangdan xenocide and the absorption of one of the lost legions and taking in small numbers of legionnaires from traitor legions. It is stated that nearly 70% of the second founding was made up of Ultramarine successor chapters and is still the first go to gene seed line used but leaves enough room for doubts, flaws and odd characteristics to flow. Every potential story concerning a first founding has either been wiped clean (like the DA) or tweaked enough to avoid to many future cannon issues (like what they have done with BA sigmarines) and now doing with Vlka Fenryka and even the DeathWatch it seems.

[@MrMuelltube]

How about naming your Chapter The Wolf Corgis? ;D

[@Gorbz]

I doubt you will see the same issue that afflicted the Blood Angel successors affect the new Space Wolves, mostly because people would want their own Wolf successors without anything much different about them, but with the suggestion that Blood Angel successors would lose part of their character and tabletop units, that rubbed fans up the wrong way.

[@benmckenzie234]

Frost Wardens, Ice blue coloured armoured with grey/black trim, takes heed of Logan but also acts as the guards of the great rift since you were mentioning it a lot and I like the idea

[@TheGravespawn]

Hey Rho. If you're looking at successors, here are mine. The Rune Wardens. Primaris troops who were given some old wolves to lead them and set on a forest world to learn the chapter's expectations and heritage, and with distance from Fenris, relied more on the runes than the wolves themselves. i.redd.it/l5b73si6mfn41.jpg

[@Dreadbringer]

Nice, that means you are a wolflord?

[@TheGravespawn]

@@Dreadbringer I guess you'd call them "Rune Lords" instead.

[@Dreadbringer]

@@TheGravespawn so then you are the Rune Lord "grave spawn" nice and kinda misterious, sounds like your main enemy would be necrons for the grave sound like tomb.

[@ragnarblackmane04]

Hope Primaris tech can bring back Bjorn his “Human” form. Don’t get me wrong, being in a dreadnought is OP as heck, but imagine he’s back to his Human/Primaris Body.

[@terrellthegoat5919]

Wolf LOVE UR CONTENT. Guys like this up seriously. Could we get a video by you on the Conversation between Emperor and Malcador on the civil war the already suspected would happen at end of crusade? They already planned to end half of the Primarchs and their armies. They jus didnt count on Chaos joining in. So How about a would if VIDEO on which Legions would've been culled at the end of the crusade and how it might've been done? NO ONE HAS THIS VIDEO ON KZbin YET. PLEASE BE FIRST!

[@JamsMiniMods]

Not sure how I feel about successors.. But it gives us more hobby opportunities I guess. I'm still torn between making my homebrew wolves or being part of Fenris and the wolf canon. 🤔

[@mulletking]

My personal hope for the Wolves and the successors is as follows: 1. Due to the SW chapter being decimated by Magnus/TKson and down to like 300 Marines, the original 12(13?) great companies are almost in name only. With the induction of the Primaris and new successors, perhaps the concept of the Great Companies can be expanded. Each successor is no longer a "successor" but is counted as part of a great company. Still operating independent, but also having a representative at the Great Wolf's council table on Fenris. (Original SW's can probably still have great companies of their own, but I feel the successors having a stake in being a part of the Fang's culture is important) 2. I hope SW's get special rules and models that attempt to non-standardize the SW Primaris units. Something akin to how our Blood Claws, SW Scouts, Grey Hunters, and even Long Fangs operate differently and have different rule sets from standard marines. We might even need to see some Primaris Wolf Riders. Basically, we need SW Primaris to abandon Cawl's template for them, and adapt to Fenrisian style combat doctrines/culture. 3. Lore Updates on Russ's coming and goings. Old lore stated he was looking to find the tree of life to heal the Emperor (my theory is he was attempting to free Isha from Nurgle's mansion, since she is the Eldar goddess of Life, and "Tree of Life" might just be a metaphor describing her). Other theories are that he is currently stuck in the Labyrinth of Tzeentch. since Magnus knows of his current whereabouts and knows Russ is not having a good time of it (Perhaps having to learn Sorcery himself.) Further speculation suggest Russ has made a pact with Khorne against Tzeentch, which is doubtful, but would give weight to a terrible sense of foreboding, after Khorne's humorous reaction to Magnus being bitch smacked by the Axe Morkai wielded by Logan Grimnar. What does Khorne know that we don't? Or was he just having a taking the piss out of Tzeentch? 4. More stories like from 13 Black Crusade codex where Wulfen act like horror movie monster werewolves hunting down Chaos, and Chaos Marines being terrified of them. 5. Wolf Lord Rho's Successor chapter to be included in the lore.

[@atommik2]

We may be few, and our enemies many. Yet so long as there remains one of us still fighting, one who still rages in the name of justice and truth, then by the Allfather, the galaxy shall yet know hope. Follow me, Sons of Russ! This night our enemies shall feel the fangs of the Wolf! Let´s wake Bjorn, he need to remember us about the Wolf King: No man nor beast could beat the Wolf-King, No tribe could stand against his armies. Within Russ' kingdom a truce Existed between man and wolf, His court was attended by the fiercest of Warlords and the most beautiful of maidens. For Ruß! For the Allfather! It´s the hour of the Wolf! Our Fangs will taste the Blood of our Enemys! Space Wolves where my First Chapter, i play it since the 2. edition. never played other space marines.

[@FrostSabre1997]

For the almighty algorithm.

[@Dreadbringer]

AdMech detected.

[@changer_of_ways_999]

I'm personally glad. I've always wanted to expand on Norse mythology in 40k with a Space Wolf successor chapter. My working plan is a Raven Guard like Space Wolves successor based on Odin's ravens, Huginn and Muninn. The other idea is a successor chapter based on the Silent God of Vengeance, Vidarr. The home planet would be inhabited by refugees from Midgardia following its destruction. The Chapter would swear an oath of silence and vengeance against the Thousand Sons in particular and lead raids into the Great Rift to retaliate.

[@thetalon100]

The Wolf Brothers were not the only attempt by the Space Wolves to have successor chapters. In the Space Marine Battles Novel "The Battle of the Fang", the chief wolf priest of the chapter (part chaplain and part apothecary) was working on a project called "The Tempering" which was meant to stabilize and enhance the gene-seed of the Space Wolves much in a similar way Corax did with the Raptor project. This would have allowed for the Space Wolves to continue to Sons of Russ idea, and would have given rise to a whole new breed of Space Wolves much like the Raven Guard had with the Raptors for a brief amount of time. The Tempering was actually completed during the actual Battle of the Fang, but the Wolf Priest's laboratory in the Fang's Apothecarion was found and destroyed by Magnus the Red, and the Wolf Priest died trying to fight Magnus in melee combat. I personally see projects like this and the Raptor project, and I have to question why people were so against the coming of the Primaris Marines. The work was already being done thousands of years before Cawl, and Cawl has the engrammatic memories of some of the very first gene-wrights who helped the Emperor perfect the original Legiones Astartes in his mind. Now, the Tempering is complete, the Sons of Russ stand ready, and the Aether itself will tremble as their howls join their brothers on the hunt. For Russ and the Allfather! Hjolda!

[@panzermensch1577]

Wasn't there a lore point where the SWs got whatever members of the WB and said yoink, letting them get away from the Inquisition? Don't recall if it's true but, my buds told me. And they (SW) probably weren't messed with from the Inquisition because they know not to fuck if a First Founding xD

[@kelman727]

Cawl never said the Primaris BA were free of the Red Thirst and Black Rage is partly psychic in nature. Grimnar stood by and let the Inquisition ‘liquidate’ Fenrisians during the Wrath of Magnus. This is despite the fact they’re Stone Age Vikings who can’t get off their own planet.

[@Valandar2]

From a fun creaticity POV... declaring that you can ONLY play Space Wolves as Space Wolves, but you can create successors to other chapters and call them whatever you want, always felt like a middle finger to players who like the feel of Space Wolves but want to add their own unique spin on them.

[@Geistermacher]

I have my own Succsessor Chapter for the sons of Russ. The Wolve Knights planned as a chapter using their Armour but was no Succsessor of them. Now they are Part of The Line of Russ and i love it because i can now use everything what the Space wolves had in their Codex. Big fan of Russ. I am from Germany i understand english better than i can speak or write it.

[@wiggy5209]

Tbh I think it's fairly obvious, GW obviously want the primaris to be the vast majority of all chapters. They want what made the space marines so different from one another(the reason why people picked one from another to collect) to be implemented into their new guys .... Otherwise a space wolf primaris would be just like a imperial fist one with just a slight deviance in how they think and some of the accessories they wear... I don't think you can have space wolves without the affliction ......so you certainly can't have the primaris without it ....

[@darklordjsmith]

I think the idea of Space wolves successor chapters. And I'm working on making my chapter called 'The Sons of the Fang' A fleet base Crusading Chapter

[@thomasschmidt1836]

I still have my reservations about the incorporation of the Primaris. What to they know, feel and believe about their lineage never having stepped foot upon Fenris? Do they feel a sense of distance or detachment from their wolf kin? There absolutely should not be Primaris Scout or Long Fang units as they just do not fit the bill. They are not old, experienced nor otherwise qualified to be deployed in those units. As Blood Claws and Grey Hunters I would be more accepting of it. I believe they should be sent to Fenris for a time to experience and breathe in the homeworld of their Primarch. Perhaps deploy them as a rear guard until such time as deemed by the Rune Priests that they have assimilated Fenresian culture enough to know the roots of their lineage. Then they can be stationed on the perimeter of the Eye of Terror. But they will never truly be Sons of Russ until they have breathed in the snow and tasted the ice of Fenris. To be Sons of Mars with the trappings of the Space Wolves is all they will ever be until they pass the tests that every Space Wolf before them has. Logan may have accepted them at face value knowing what he knows (they we haven't been yet) but that doesn't mean I have to. They must prove themselves worthy to be called Sons of Russ and until they pass the Gates of Morkai, they will not be.

[@pentacosttb2565]

Since you're such an accomplished storyteller, You should name a chapter the Skald Wolves, Skalds being the Norse equivalent of bards. Colour scheme wise I'd say a warm pallette to contrast the cool of the Space Wolves, with warm oranges and bronze, to evoke the warmth of the hearth and drinking halls the Skald Wolves weave their tales by and tell great Sagas in.

[@mouseketeery]

I reckon the Space Wolf successors are here to stay - GW are all for people making their own Homebrew Chapters these days, they've now given everyone the stamp of approval for all of the First Foundings to have younger brothers of the players' own design and fluff. That's better for the hobbyists.

[@blitzwing1985]

The cynic in me says we will be told of Wolfen from the new chapters but I don't know if we'll actually see them on the table top. A big part of that being the question will the models make money? I can easily see Primaris Death Company being and easy cash grab but Wolfen? I dunno. They were never that popular plus if they require new parts it's a cost GW might not want to deal with. But who knows maybe it'll happen and they will be really cool this time.

[@masstv9052]

Perhaps by Garrisoning them long-term near the Eye and such great Warp energy, their natural "ward against Chaos & Warp Energy" wasn't strong enough to protect them against such long-term exposure... and that's why they started having mutations. That their natural protection against Chaos Energies is only for short term exposure

[@bambammcpout4890]

I was a little sceptical of how they would deal with the introduction of primaris to Space Wolves. I was in the camp, that lore wise it didn't really make sense and that it was turning all chapters into carbon copies in different colours. Having listened to wolftime though I feel they handled it pretty well. After gathering Storm, they were in a bit of a weird place, they still are really. Just seems to be on pause just now after Ragnar jumping the rubicon. I think it would have been more interesting if there had been more resistance from them. I think the 40k universe needed that objective opinion lore wise and the wolfs were set up perfectly to be that voice. I think gw might have missed the boat on that. I guess it just really depends on the big revel coming in Pandemonium. Great video as always!

[@robskovira5626]

I kinda wish they made the primaris of the Blood Angels more resistant to the flaw. They still succumb, but at a far lesser rate than the Firstborn. 2) One reason there really wasn't any successor chapters of the wolves was because of the Canis Helix. It caused the failure rate of aspirants to be the highest of all the legions. They didn't have Thousand Sons or Emperors children problem with mutation. They just recruited far less people because the Geneseed implementation process had an exceptionally high rejection rate. That all changed when Russ was found because it has been implied that the people of fenris conducted Genetic manipulation on themselves to allow them some morph into wolves during the Dark age of Technology. In addition the People of fenris have small trace amounts of wolf Dna in their genome. These traces are what allows them to accept the Geneseed of Russ with no issue.

[@stillunsure7630]

I always thought the genetic "Flaw" in the space wolves successor's was down to non Fenris humans not being compatible with the Canix Helix, eg not hardy enough stock to contain the Were-Change.

[@kennetheisenbraun5217]

I both do and don't like it, on one hand it cheapens the tragedy of the wolves being the only sons of russ amongst the stars. On the other it provides story opportunities and "what-if" scenarios. In the Wolfspear excerpt it mentions how one chapter rejects everything that has to do with fenris. Personally I'm creating my own successor, the Dire Wolves, mostly because I am a son of Russ and have an adiction to homebrewing stuff

[@josemanuelamagofuertes6568]

No issues, they are awaiting the return of Russ and remember: even Space wolves wolf lord only serve Russ and the Allfather, not necessarily the Great Wolf if they don't want to With a part of the wulfen back and now successor chapters probably the wolves are now as big as in the times of the heresy so, if Russ came back as he promised, he will find his legion at full power Another good point is, the primaris successors suffer the wulfen curse, this was confirmed so, probably will follow also a non codex organization (the current SM codex forbid for the wolves successors the same units); this could mean another 13 great companies for each successor with even wulfen, some more tainted and some less but since the wulfen is a reaction against chaos taint, probably the primaris resistance against chaos failed but the wolves are still the chaos resistant executioners of the big E

[@urapooper362]

If you remember at the start of Dark Imperium a Space Wolves succesor was garissoned at the last planet the crusade conquered. I don't remember where it was but it could have been close to the big rift. So Gulliman could already be enacting the Sons of Russ plan.

[@gus7850]

I agree with what you said, while i'd prefer the Space Wolves were the only chapter for the sons of Russ, it's not the end of the world having more, especially since most of them will likely have that Nordic feel to them, lol maybe we'll get a Space Bears chapter filled with even bigger burlier sons of russ draped in big bear cloaks wielding huge axes and thunder hammers being all Norse Berserker like lol. my biggest issue with GW lately is the lack of uniqueness with the space wolves in regards to the primaris units and figures