Spacer level vs Carli Level - Why Your Spacer Lift Sucks!

[@nicholasknutson6433]

I didn’t go with Carli but a Thuren 2.5” coils with his stage 3 king 3.0s and man what a difference!!!!!! A proper leveling kit makes all the difference compared to spacers.

[@yohnny8839]

Got my commuter kit from you guys last week. Getting it installed on Monday, I’m so excited!

[@PattyMelt-ln7rs]

Keven Gil you’ll love it. Just installed mine last week. Rides like a dream.

[@31337cyberhuman]

@@PattyMelt-ln7rs Understanding that the dips etc are taken better. But how do you feel about being out on the highway at 60mph plus? Does the kit cause it to be more floaty and soft or is it tight and controlled? I feel like my 2021 Ram 2500 is floaty on the highway and reminds me of an old 1980 Lincoln!

[@PattyMelt-ln7rs]

@@31337cyberhuman Just my opinion on it but I’d describe it at soft and controlled, regardless of city/highway. Definitely not stiff like a sports car. But not floaty like an old vehicle suspension I’ve had my truck 80mph+ and still very stable. It’s a night and day difference (in a good way) from stock. My dad the same truck bone stock and I can’t stand to ride in his. 😎 only thing I wish I had was the sway bar, but that’s for another day.

[@supporterofsanity]

Honestly I couldn’t tell a difference in ride quality from stock to a spacer, both were equally bad. Both bottomed out terribly on all larger bumps. Terrible on speed bumps at any speed. However when I changed to a full level package, springs and shocks, there was definitely an improvement. Since switching I don’t think I have bottomed at all.

[@pennsylvaniaboy87]

combined with the larger tires in the second run, and that you have no idea is the first kit was properly aligned etc.

[@buffalobmf]

yea i didnt notice a difference either. i eventually went to fox coilovers theyre better but for the price im not impressed

[@matthewstencel8298]

I know Carli is a superior suspension system, but to really show it being better, you need to keep the same wheels and tires and the same tire pressure. By changing the wheels and tires you drastically change the way a vehicle drives

[@CJCOffRoad]

To be honest, we actually handicapped the Carli system and it still rode better! The factory wheels and tires have more sidewall and ride smoother than what this truck ended up on.

[@sylermran]

was thinking the same thing

[@shwnwmrrs]

Valid

[@TheChicagOP]

you guys should talk more about thurren, its nice they allow you to part out and build your own kits

[@CJCOffRoad]

We're on it! All of the videos we make are in direct response to customer questions from social media and on the phones so you guys set the video agenda!

[@joushuagtrluna8762]

Fits in hemi 6.4 2500 2016 ?

[@ltanzie3363]

Great informational video! Keep them coming.

[@ecocav0222]

Is there a level kit like this for the Power Wagon?

[@TheMemo1776]

2inch leveling kit is going to work on my 2018 ram 2500. on 20x10 -18 35s 12.50 20.

[@tu6198]

No retailer near southern Utah? Utah is the biggest state for lifted trucks. Any recommendations?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Hit up Red Desert off road! They do awesome work on these trucks and know these Carli systems extremely well.

[@martinmcgee4491]

Is there a kit for the At4

[@tonycampos8726]

Can I get this Carli leveling kit on my 2019 Ram 1500 ?

[@Derrick_Rucker]

By chance would anybody know that wheel offset? That’s a perfect fit for me

[@250rman1]

Question: The Carli Commuter 2.0 system for the Ford F-250 Super Duty states that this Kit is designed for people seeking the best on-road ride quality on a budget, but does not give any information for Off-Road use?!? Is the Carli Commuter not designed for normal Off-Road use?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Carli says it isn’t in their marketing, but in reality it’s great for basic off road use and low speed wheeling. It’s going to ride better off road than any of the other big brand kits.

[@walterhunter1485]

Where u guys located at

[@CJCOffRoad]

Long Beach, Ca!

[@ceepdub3138]

Will the 2.5 leveling Carli springs also work with bilstein 5100 2.5 leveling shocks?

[@hiemstrahiemstra8310]

Do you sell those wheels as well. With the 3 1/4 lift kit

[@Blazer-fp8fo]

How well does the Carli kit handle the added weight of a winch bumper and winch?

[@Blazer-fp8fo]

Your website says diesel only. So no love for the Hemi I guess.

[@CJCOffRoad]

If you have a Hemi with a winch and bumper, buy the diesel kit since that would account for the weight difference. We also have options for the Hemi trucks but it sounds like yours is better suited for the diesel kit.

[@emoore63]

Stopped by and bought the front end kit. You guys are awesome, but was quoted Dec 2020 for basic install!!!! Do you plan on expanding from the small location you are in now? I would like to have all my work done through you but wow.

[@CJCOffRoad]

We’re moving to a new location this fall, but our mantra has always been quality over quantity! We have a great network of local shops all over the country (and in Los Angeles) that we supply Carli parts to that can also handle installs as well!

[@davidagurcia7518]

did the price go up. I went to the website and I dont see the kit for 1000. The cheapest I found was a 1135 kit is that the same kit.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Fox recently raised their prices.

[@lbdirtbag84]

What do you recommend for a 2015 Chevy Silverado 4wd ?

[@31337cyberhuman]

What about higher speeds on the highway? Is the truck actually more stable? My Ram 2021 2500 is squirrely on the freeway. I would like it to have more of a tight sport ride. Does this kit make it tighter to the road at speeds of 60mph plus or is it "floaty" as you say which would remind me of a 1980's Lincoln.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Using a shock with improved damping is exactly what gets rid of that floaty feel. We’d recommend Fox 2.0s or larger!

[@robgorman7997]

What do you recommend for a 2019 F-150 for level kit . Don’t need the off road packages but looking for a better option then spacer pucks as this is my daily driver . A kit like you’ve shown in video looks like great option

[@CJCOffRoad]

On those we recommend the King OEM replacement coil overs and Icon upper control arms. The ride quality is fantastic. Give us a call and we can help you out!

[@leroydukes4281]

Where are you guys located?

[@sparkuzg]

Do I really need to buy all the extras? Or just the springs and shocks will do? It sounds like if i buy the kit I am forced to keep upgrading.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Not at all. We recommend the track bar to correct front end geometry after the level, but you can do without.

[@steves5350]

i would love to of seen a trailer towed during this video, I'm just curious how well the kit holds when in tow.

[@CJCOffRoad]

This truck has completely factory payload snd towing since it retains the factory rear springs. It would tow just like a stock truck, but have more control with the improved damping on these shocks.

[@kellyabercrombie9769]

Would you be able to add airbags to this truck with this particular leveling kit? Would it even be necessary?

[@CJCOffRoad]

You can, but since air bags hurt ride quality, you only want to put them on if you really need them.

[@eric44707]

What would you suggest for a level kit for a 2019 ram 2500 gasser. It looks like the Carli is only for the diesel? Looking to run 35x18’s

[@CJCOffRoad]

We typically pair a Thuren Hemi tuned coil with the Carli Fox 2.0 shocks and Carli track bar!

[@gutierrezc8709]

It would be nice if you used the same dip for the before and after tests. It's not a fair comparison. The houses in the background give your dip location away.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Exact same dip, just in a different direction!

[@seankadar9550]

I purchased a brand spanking new 2018 Chevy Silverado, crew cab, 4x4 with V8 goodness and have been trying to find the smoothest running lift or level lift available. Your thoughts please and thank you.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Cognito has some great kits that really improve the ride! You're more than welcome to call and we can walk you through the options for your truck.

[@brolandry]

Nothing for the 2019+ 5th gen 1500's yet?

[@Nashanlife]

But putting this on would it void your warranty

[@CJCOffRoad]

It would not.

[@yantardif2363]

Alignment specs please! ( same as Thuren)?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Just follow these specs: www.cjcoffroad.com/Articles.asp?ID=258

[@joushuagtrluna8762]

It’s necessarily to put the specer in the coil spring

[@YouTuTrbe]

would have been a better comparison if you tested the spring with the same stock wheels. The 35" are running much less psi than stock, like ridding on pillows.

[@dsg4407]

stock 33" have more cushion v lower profile 35" aftermarket. and tire diameter would have no impact on the bounce.

[@gustavocastaneda8458]

Where is the link to buy these ?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Here’s a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/suspension-systems-21/products/carli-suspension-2014-2020-ram-2500-fox-2-0-leveling-kit

[@cmadk3423]

How would a spacer change the spring rate and change the ride? I've been told I can fit a 35×12.5 on factory wheels on my stock 2018 2500 diesel with no lift. The problem I have with leveling kits is when towing or hauling heavy you get bro lean which looks terrible and can have negative and dangerous effects on handling.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Think of it this way: a leveling spacer moves the axle farther away from the bump stops, but keeps the spring length the same. That means that for any given point in the travel, the spring is now more compressed. The more you compress a spring, the stiffer it gets. As for the geometry, the Carli leveling kits with a track bar completely preserve geometry with improved handling over stock. These kits are designed the right way.

[@wCONRADclark]

C&M ADK if you get a minute check out my truck, in uploads. With weight and without on a 2.5 level and 35x12.5's...honestly it's plenty comfortable

[@jamesfeehan3316]

@@CJCOffRoad why would the spring be more compressed if there is the exact same space for the spring as the distance is 2 inches greater, but the spacer deletes the effect by serving its purpose? The spring is not being compressed nor extended is the concept I am working with. Please help me bypass this idea.

[@timkraus1795]

Love my CJC suspension on my 2007 cummins. I have the track bar, sway bar, fox 2.0 shocks, Extended arm etc. I can't say how great it is but my question is bruh... a Hollister shirt? Lol

[@willkelley4286]

Are you able to level a 2019 ram 2500 diesel with auto leveling rear suspension

[@CJCOffRoad]

Absolutely! Any of the Carli leveling systems will fit.

[@willkelley4286]

@@CJCOffRoad no issues with the sensors on the rear and constantly trying to raise the rear.

[@corylee2261]

My 2019 ram 2500 off road rides like shit! Will this kit help? What are the wheels and tires that's a perfect stance

[@CJCOffRoad]

It will, but you may want more. Check out the various options for your truck on our website! These are 20x9 wheels with a 35" Toyo At2 tire. If you like to go off road, we recommend a wheel and tire set up with more sidewall.

[@scotgeller5993]

Im interesred in this kit. I have a 18 3500 ram srw. Can i clear 37x12.5x17 with this kit? Thanks

[@CJCOffRoad]

You absolutely can on the right wheels! You need wheels with 5.75 backspace that are 8-9" wide. That translates to +18 to +25 offset.

[@bigiron9999]

Is there a part number for this kit for: 2022 2500 6.7?

[@CJCOffRoad]

www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/2019-dodge-ram-2500-3500-suspension/products/carli-suspension-2014-2020-ram-2500-fox-2-0-leveling-kit

[@ILLMATICBF]

$980 Jesus it’s 4x that for the kit in australia

[@WhiskeyGin-2023]

can you compare Carli Susppension vs. AEV Suspension.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Carli designs their suspension completely around achieving the best ride quality possible on and off road and replaces most of the factory parts to achieve that. AEV designed their system around relocating the factory parts to fit 40” tires. The two systems are actually very different in terms of parts and end ride quality.

[@WhiskeyGin-2023]

But in you opinion does it compare to the Carli leveling kit? Or next level. Or is AEV lift just garbage.

[@nicksedgwick5189]

Do you have a direct link for this setup for a 2011 ?

[@CJCOffRoad]

www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/10-13-carli-systems/products/carli-dodge-ram-2010-2013-2500-3500-commuter-2-0-3-suspension-system

[@i82luz]

Can I use carli tuned fox shocks with skyjacker leveling coils ?

[@CJCOffRoad]

We don’t recommend it. The Carli coils and shocks are tuned and sized to work together.

[@maryblankley4702]

My question is why would Ram make you do that in a 60,000 dollar truck? why do you have to contiually put money into a 60,000 dollar truck to make it right?

[@Tinman964]

So what do you have for a 2020 ram 1500.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Carli is still working on their kits for the 2020 1500's but they're close!

[@gunfreak1911]

Does $1,000 include front springs, shocks, and the Carli track bar?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Everything but the track bar!

[@JEEPIMPACT]

Include the track bar and you gotta deal!

[@jesscooley3522]

Can you do a video on the Carli commuter? I'm really interested in that setup.

[@CJCOffRoad]

It’s on the list!

[@jasonrobinson9992]

How do these kits hold up to winter temperatures Northern Alberta Canada? I have a limited Ram Duel 3500 2020 and the roads up here are bad. The gravel roads are beat down wash boards. I have a 44ft toy hauler, this trailer does not need power. It has its own generator and fuel tanks, also another fuel tanks to fill up quads what ever. It ways 18000 dry pounds.. wet wait prolly 24000 wet, have 2 Harley’s. Trust me I’m as stupid as stupid when it comes to weight and height and what ever.right now it’s stock 17” tires. I’ve been to all the shops in my city, and I leave lost, and know one has carli. Up here there is one place 8 hours away. Said be 8 months before can get in.. and than what? Can I ask you a dumb question? If you were me was what would you get? Trust me I will get it..

[@CJCOffRoad]

Happy to help! For your needs we'd recommend the Carli 3.25" Back Country system. Those shocks have more damping and reservoirs to help handle long wash boards. Those shocks use aluminum bodies too, so they work well with extreme conditions. If you don't mind sending us an email, we can work through your best setup! [e-mail]

[@bennypena1629]

I need this please

[@1g4u]

I need to bring my d21 to this shop 👍

[@joecolon8197]

Do you have this for a 1997 Ram 1500 Sport RWD?

[@CJCOffRoad]

sadly no.

[@JOHNWAYNE1920]

Why don't you use a G meter to show quantifiable results?

[@31337cyberhuman]

Because the lift made it ride floaty like an 80's model Lincoln? LOL... I want to buy the Carlie kit, but I'm afraid it will make my truck floaty and uncontrollable at higher speeds i.e. 60mph plus on the freeway. What do you think?

[@nicofrick9575]

Do you guys sell this kit for 2001 ram 2500?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Yep! Check our website!

[@Satellitenowllc]

What size wheels and tires are those? 37s?

[@CJCOffRoad]

This is a 20" wheel with 35" tires.

[@Satellitenowllc]

@@CJCOffRoad 35 x12.50? On 20x10, or 9? I think that looks perfect! I have the same truck want to get Carli leveling kit with Fuel Hardline 20x10 (-18?) with 35x12.50r20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers. I guess I'm wondering if theres any rubbing issues with 20x10 -18 wheels

[@chuckfentekes6949]

CJC Off Road what offset?

[@growtradelearn1079]

Hi CJC! When will you do a video regarding handling and specs when it comes to the F450 or any dually with some off-road . Thanks!

[@CJCOffRoad]

As soon as we get a truck to do it on! We basically just film customers builds from the shop so it all depends on what comes in.

[@JerryLee..]

Why is it called a leveling kit? (Trying to learn)

[@CJCOffRoad]

These trucks come from the factory with a forward rake where the front sits lower than the back. These systems lift the front of the truck so it’s the same height as the back. The Carli systems in particular also double suspension travel and improve the ride quality of the truck at the same time. A lot of other leveling kits (like spacers) are only for looks.

[@JerryLee..]

@@CJCOffRoad thanks for the reply! Does this impact bump steer?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Not at all!

[@AP-lh1bq]

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[@josephpuchel6497]

Hey nice video I have a 2019 Hemi 2500 crew. I like the wheels but in 18”. What’s the offset.

[@tonyboneize]

I’m guessing it’s twice that for my ram 5th gen 2500

[@CJCOffRoad]

2019+ Ram level kits are the exact same as shown in this video. The suspension is unchanged.

[@mgueths67]

The truck rides poorly because it is a Heavy Duty, you want a softer ride, get a 1500. When you start changes springs/shocks to make a softer ride, you lose GVWR. Now if you aren't towing or hauling a large capacity, then no problem, but don't do this if this is you tow vehicle. These vehicles were designed by the engineers to operate a certain way, you would be better off using a spacer to keep the original springs and operating performance. Yes, I know there are those of you that would disagree, but you can't argue with the engineers and the amount of $$$ spent in research building these trucks.

[@CJCOffRoad]

This truck maintains complete factory weight capacity as the front springs have no relation to the truck’s ability to tow or haul. WIth this setup you get double the front suspension travel, improved ride quality on and off road, and can tow just like a factory truck as the rear coils are retained. Literally zero downside.

[@evand9151]

@@CJCOffRoad that's not true. he said GVWR. you are changing the GVWR. your springs don't support my 9.5 xv2 plow because they are lighter springs. I had 1/4- 1/2 sag on stock springs with the plow on. with your srpings i had over a 1 1/4 sag!!!! it does change the GVWR. i needed a leveling kit to get a little more clearance under my plow and these were useless.. i was right back to factory height if not lower

[@buffalobmf]

my spacer level was fine drove like stock cant expect more. then after 60,000miles replaced it with fox coilovers and not too impressed with those for the price

[@CJCOffRoad]

We aren’t a fan of bolt in coil overs on these solid axle trucks. They severely limit suspension travel and aren’t properly tuned for the trucks.

[@moe_2412]

Thought you said around $1k for the kit. Not seeing that on your site.

[@CJCOffRoad]

You can find it here: www.cjcoffroad.com/Carli-Suspension-2014-Ram-2500-Fox-Leveling-Kit-p/cs-dlevel-14-d.htm

[@Misterwee79]

What size wheel and backspace? Was there any rub issues with this setup? Thanks

[@CJCOffRoad]

Zero rub! These are a 0 offset 20x9 wheel with a 35" tire.

[@eskudosal]

Dang talk about quality 👍🇺🇸

[@DdDten]

What is a recommended tire psi setting for ram 2500 with 35x12.50x17. Im hearing/reading different tires different psi variations but in my case nitto ridge grapplers. I’m looking on forums and get mixed psi recommendations and tire shops just insist on factory setting even though not factory tires and way too high. I’ve been running 42 front and 40 rear. This was great video bought my truck used and has spacers and rides horrible going to pull the trigger on backcountry kit soon as I get some free time.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Tire pressure will be different for every truck. The trick is to consult the manufacturer load inflation table for your specific tire size. Weigh your truck at each axle, then cross reference that weight with the air pressure recommended on the chart!

[@natebennett1745]

With this lift, can you fit 37's with the factory 18inch wheels?

[@CJCOffRoad]

No lift will fix the backspace issue with that setup. Unfortunately the factory wheels are too tucked in, which causes rub on the radius arms and sway bar when turning. That’s something you can’t lift your way out of!

[@natebennett1745]

@@CJCOffRoad thanks guys! Looks like I'll be changing wheels.

[@cheeseymccheese7249]

Spacer 2 inch trashed my front end

[@markhanson7828]

What do you charge to install this kit on an 18 ram 2500?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Around $500 depending on options. Give us a call and we can give you a full quote.

[@OmenProductions1]

seem to be sponsored by carli

[@TheTasteOfRegret]

Man what happened to $1000 for this kit.. lol

[@78thilton]

One hundred!!

[@stephenacosta3269]

Its riding like tht cause they didnt adjust caster

[@bmanj5435]

Why is a the leveling kit 3" can't stand a squatted truck why not a 1.5" or a 2"

[@CJCOffRoad]

The 14+ Ram Carli level is a 2.5” system that sits the truck perfectly level.

[@bmanj5435]

@@CJCOffRoadthanks! I'm not sure what I need to get my truck has the off-road package which I thinks it's higher than factory but the person I bought the Truck from has a 2-inch spacer on it it's 2005 2500 5.9

[@skycowboy_7391]

Definitely cost more then a grand

[@darrenkoster7523]

Yeah but I got my spacers for 40 bucks

[@CJCOffRoad]

that's the trade off. Spacers are cheap, but they ride like a $40 part.