Is Carli Suspension Better Than a Lift Kit?

[@CaliforniaJed]

For what it is worth, I am a satisfied customer and agree with everything Cole is saying here. CJC installed this exact kit on my 2500. The difference from stock is night and day. These guys know what they are doing and they do it well.

[@akathedude3266]

which kit?

[@jedlackman7331]

@@akathedude3266 They installed a Back Country Kit with a Torsion Sway Bar and Toyo Rt 35x12.50 R18 tires on Method 18" 8x6.5s. Offroad it was amazing, which I expected. What shocked me was how much better it performed on-road over stock. The ride quality was way improved, and it tracked like it was on rails. Seriously.

[@jedlackman7331]

Looking at their website, the kits have changed since I did mine. It was a 3 inch lift in the front with Carli shocks but I think they were different than what is in that kit now. You should ask them.

[@akathedude3266]

@@jedlackman7331 there is a 3.25 and a 2.5 lift

[@johnbusby536]

I just installed the Carli Commuter 3" suspension lift on my 2018 Ram 2500. The ride is amazing. Only downside was when I hitched up my 32' travel trailer I experienced more than expected squat in the rear end. I'll be adding airbags to boost the rear end for towing. Overall, while considerably more than the $350 spacer lift kit when you invest $70k in a truck why compromise. Carli system is worth it.

[@pablo3735]

John Busby let me know what bag system you do. I need one

[@seanreyes8820]

Ditto on the airbag set up. I have a 30' bumper pull that may squat the rear Carli Setup like you mentioned Mr Busby

[@CJCOffRoad]

@@pablo3735 we have found the best way to compensate for heavy loads with the newer 2500s is to use the Timbren bump stop system.

[@johnbusby536]

I am going with the 2580 Firestone Ride-Rite . Everything I have read states the Firestone air bags are the best. Kit cost about $350

[@richardmorris8764]

John Busby I put that on my 3500 and it works great

[@jdia.]

I wish there was a 4.5 inch setup kit

[@87DodgeD150]

I agree, recently did the Carli Commuter 2.0 on my 13 2500 with the torsion sway bar and carli control arms. Much much much improvement over just coil spacers. Carli progressive leafs and extended travel air bags are going on the rear this week along with a Carli steering stabilizer. I know you pay a little more up front for Carli stuff but after using it first hand I can see why.

[@knightwing4]

This would be a lot more convincing if we could see this all from the outside as well as the inside.

[@alwayssomething4546]

I have a carli performance , it doesn’t even fell like a 2nd gen Dodge, and I can corner like it’s a civic,it’s crazy

[@azilon007]

which kit did you purchase?

[@jeffreyyeater1780]

Thuren too ! Its an amazing. Difference.

[@IH8CA]

Love you guys, your ball joint video was excellent! Keep adding content!

[@CJCOffRoad]

Thank you!

[@phantomwalker8251]

@@CJCOffRoad swaybar disconnect..?.

[@DirectCurrent4u]

@@CJCOffRoad What Steering Box Brace do You recommend to use with Your Carli Torsion Sway Bar Kit? For a 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 with 3" Carli Spring lift. Thanks for the help...

[@carlhuntsman2564]

Great video! This answered a lot of my questions. I am still a little hesitant to pull the trigger due to towing capacity. I realize the specs say one thing but others are adding air bags. I’ll be calling you guys when I am ready.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Hey Carl, one thing to keep in mind is that the guys adding bags most likely would have needed them with stock springs as well. Feel free to call any time!

[@JasonWaterfalls13]

Great content guys! Thank you for making it and look forward to more in the future.

[@davionwilliam3671]

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[@caidenvincenzo7718]

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[@ziggy149]

Your content is great. I will be subscribing. You deserve many more. Keep going

[@mikeholsclaw8662]

I have a 2018 Ram 3500 Crew cab with a 8 foot box Rear leaf springs .I would like to put 4 to 6 inch lift on it . what would you Recommend

[@Wanderlust073]

Another happy pintop customer. 2020 RAM 2500. Stock suspension is garbage - difference on and offroad is massive.

[@jbaker001200]

Great video dudes. Keep doing what you do!

[@vinny-vm3wk]

I have the pintop kit on my 2015 F250.. best... never will change...

[@TKsw191145]

I have a 2017 Ram 1500. Really interested in the AEV 4in lift but would that kit be improved by Carli Kings or keep the Bils

[@richardmorris8764]

Tell Carli to produce a 3-4” lift for the Jeep Gladiator

[@chaddarbonne9263]

I have a 2020 Chevy trail boss LY with the 6.2 ltr engine It has a factory 2 inch suspension lift from Chevy. I had a 1.5 inch front leveling kit. My question is what Cali kit count I get to accomplish a plush ride on and off road. Like washboard dirt roast and pot holes. But maintain that awesome three inch lift spectrum. Thanks. Serious buyer looking for serious but effective option. Thanks

[@CJCOffRoad]

Carli doesn't make anything for the IFS Chevy trucks sadly. We typically use Cognito arms and keys, 2.5" King OEM shocks, and a custom Deaver rear leaf pack. That's going to be a great basic set up to improve ride on those trucks significantly, while sticking within the confines of the factory suspension.

[@ricardoortiz2706]

Well what’s the difference vs BDS Suspension ? Also a well known system for diesels.

[@superdutyzack]

Depends on what you want out of you truck. Do you want lift or performance. For solid axle truck the only performance kits are carli and pure performance. If you want lift go with BDS, ICON, SuperLift, Cognito, or Top Gunz Customs.

[@jrlopez4341]

What can you do for 2005 2500 to make it ride better and handle good

[@Jesse-gv9tf]

How does this compare to the Kelderman 3-4 inch lift? I'm building a mall crawler 2020 2500 limited. The only towing it will do is a Zodiac RIB. Thanks.

[@CJCOffRoad]

This will be a SIGNIFICANT ride improvement over an air based system. There's a common misconception that air suspension is "like riding on air" but in reality, you're riding on a thick rubber bag filled with air. Those bags don't compress, flex, or extend anywhere near as well as a coil spring will. If you're looking for ride quality, especially off road, these systems are the best you can get.

[@jessekulbe1855]

Have you guys ever considered a cantilevered rear suspension setup like bulletproof offers on some of their heavily optioned lift kits or is there no discernible handling difference?

[@nshizzay]

Unfortunately their adjustable track bar for 2017 f250 in some scenarios on their leveling kit won’t get your axle perfectly centered. Also brake lines tend to leak after a while.... just the experience I had with my kit on the super duty

[@Shad0wC0mpany2]

nicholas singh Appreciate the information. Nothing beats factory engineering I guess?

[@Mrfitrider1]

What's the difference between a king coilover sold by king and by carli or thuren? Are the carli and thurens better than the original? The price makes it seem like it.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Yes the Cari or Thuren kings are significantly better than an off the shelf King because of the tuning. The magic of both lies in the months they spent coming up with specific tuning profiles for the various truck platforms and spring set ups that they offer.

[@russelllowery9099]

Hey she I save more money to buy the Carli suspension kit or just get the king oem shock thanks? Help •••

[@CJCOffRoad]

Just doing shocks alone is a help, but you're only addressing one single part. If you really want appreciable ride improvement, you need to replace shocks, springs and the necessary supporting parts.

[@russelllowery9099]

@@CJCOffRoad ok cool..

[@Bigeddyb]

Hell yeah if anybody wondering if Carli is any good. Yes they are well worth the money

[@KingpinBarbellClub]

comparing a 4k+ kit versus a 1.5k kit... not sure what you expext, but spending more money gets you better stuff.

[@CJCOffRoad]

There are a plenty of Carli options that are very similar price wise the the compared kit that still ride much better. There have been a lot of arguments on forums etc as to the differences in the kits so we made a video to answer some of the questions. Thanks for watching!

[@KingpinBarbellClub]

6 in kits from carli are 5-8k minimum, at least for my truck. definitely pricey stuff compared to what’s on the market, but hey... you get what you pay for

[@WilliamStewart1]

@@CJCOffRoad I've never seen a Carli system that wasn't at least double the comparable lift kit. Understandable though considering how much nicer the Carli systems are, you get what you pay for either route.

[@reflectionrecon]

Hey Great Video, Would the the leveling kit with fox shocks and track bar. be close to the same ride. Of course minus the rear end of the Truck

[@CJCOffRoad]

Exactly, the front will be dramatically improved. The rear still has the stiff springs, however it still rides a hair better due to a specific shock tune designed to cut down on harshness.

[@cliffsimms8520]

Very informative video 👌

[@waveaddict730]

You guys really should mount a dash cam or rear seat/front window view when doing a test like this. The cab view would also properly highlight the torsion sway bar. Filming the driver like this with a handheld doesn’t show anything. The viewer has to take your word for it. I did like the exterior shot of the dip for comparison. Thanks for trying to produce better real life comparisons on truck suspensions. All the companies out there only show bullshit doughnuts or quick cutaways. Nobody other than Carli shows quality footage of their HEAVYDUTY products in action. P.S. I know Thuren is great as well.

[@CJCOffRoad]

We've been trying to come up with a clever way to show movement of the truck. I tried a in cab mounted camera, but it just didn't show how different the suspension feels. We even joked about using a water bottle or cup of water. I promise we'll put our heads together and think of a way to convey ride improvement in video form!

[@Ray-bl3bh]

Great info! I can see the benefits of the Carli System and have heard a lot about it. I just bought an F250, but 2wd--i don't tow or haul a thing...Does Carli offer anything for this set up?...Initially, I wasn't looking for a lift but more of a level to eliminate the stock rake...I would, however, consider a 2-3 inch lift, but not too high up because my wife wouldn't be able to get in-lol...any info would be helpful...thanks, and I hope you keep putting out good informational videos like this!

[@seeharvester]

Do they make the same kit for a 2011 3500 cummins, CC LB SRW, rear leaf springs? How much money, ballpark? How about if it had a 4 Wheel Pop-up Camper added? (about 1500 lbs)

[@CJCOffRoad]

About $3.3k. We have done multiple builds utilizing Four Wheel Campers! Feel free to call us any time.

[@Sdukes001]

I’ve tried to explain this 100 times to my brother in law who says he can just get a lift spacer donut on his ford and it works and rides perfect.🤔 No way I’ll stick to my Carli even though it’s more money.

[@christianmossa9646]

I'm in Toronto Ontario. Who is your recommended installer in my area for the Carli system?

[@dashcam3098]

I ALSO WISH THEY HAD A CERTIFIED INSTALLER IN ONTARIO, CALIFORNIA IS A LITTLE TO FAR.

[@Khaled-tx5xj]

Could we get bigger lifts 6+ inch With some nice ride quality ?

[@martin1234512345]

6" is the biggest they will go.

[@portlandtwowheels7607]

Your camera person reminds of the car chase footage from The Rock (movie). Although you're about to sell me a Carli suspension regardless.

[@Slayer-oq8fv]

Lift kits are ok,but what I don't like about them are the lies the lift dealer tells the customers, and the line all the customers say are this, My truck doesn't drive like it did before, I want it like it was before, and because of this my shops policy is we are going to put your suspension back stock and charge you for it, just tell customers the truth, It will reduce ride comfort,it will eat tires like no tomorrow,and there are no complete alignment correction kit that will meet specifications, and gas mileage will suck, That the cold hard truth,

[@Shad0wC0mpany2]

I for one am interested in Siafu’s comment -specifically, the “my truck doesn’t ride like it did before and I want it back to OEM”, and the mpg hit comments. I understand that altering the height of the vehicle will cause a slight mpg decrease, but just how much of a hit would be taken when installing a 2” leveling Carli system, or Pintop 2.5? Would it be that horrible? Also, just how “bad” is the ride from the same 2” Carli leveling or 2.5 Pintop system, with Kings, compared to say stock form? Can you speak from personal experience everyday driving for a Carli system? Is there anything you would recommend in place of the Carli system that I referenced with regards to ride comfort and mpg?

[@sh0cktim3]

For a lift kit what you said is true, but not a full suspension system. Only thing you will lose is MPGs and payload. Everything else improves.

[@ronsimard340]

What about a 3500 ride quality?

[@jamesdaniels3866]

We're gonna hit a dip in the road at about 25 mph..... does 60 mph

[@CJCOffRoad]

hard to not get a carried away with a ride that good! haha

[@nsboost]

But... what about my 14' 3500? The leafs beat you all to hell. And no amount of shock tuning will change that. I know they have leaf springs but im pretty apprehensive. I just cant see it making the difference that I would be happy with and feel I received enough value for my dollar (the leaf springs on top of the shocks and ARB is getting into some dollars.. too much)

[@tonymarazzo289]

Does Carli offer conversion to coil from leaf for OBS Ford?

[@tonymarazzo289]

Truck is a 1993 f350 cc, srw, 4x4, lb, 7.3/ 5spd

[@CJCOffRoad]

They do not. But several other companies do

[@JOHNWAYNE1920]

How does the 3 inch carli affect towing and payload capacity?

[@CJCOffRoad]

That answer depending entirely on what make, model and year your truck is. Best case is full payload and towing, worst case is 85% payload.

[@JOHNWAYNE1920]

@@CJCOffRoad 18 2500 megacab manual transmission diesel. Looking at your midrange 3 inch carli package.

[@manny6227]

Do they have a kit for a 2015 Ford F150 and if so how much do the kit cost

[@CJCOffRoad]

Carli doesn't make any F-150 systems currently.

[@markhanson7828]

What would that exact system cost for a 2018 installed

[@JustinMikola]

Any kits for a 2001 F250 PSD?

[@joshuagumm8485]

Where the hell do you find a 6” lift for $1500? Every time I look into a 6” for my truck it’s much more than 1500

[@kylehughes6324]

Rough country maybe

[@joshuagumm8485]

I thought about looking into it. I have a suspicion that some suspension companies are using parts from the same manufacturer and just throwing their name on it.

[@MomoThePeach]

Yes but can I get this kit for a 97 Dakota 4x4?

[@CJCOffRoad]

No this is for Ram HD trucks only.

[@MomoThePeach]

@@CJCOffRoad lame! you would make bank if you did!

[@ivandiaz1021]

how does it compare with a BDS 4" lift 4 link?

[@CJCOffRoad]

It will ride better due to the shock/spring tuning on the Carli system. We have done this same comparison with one of their kits, but we didn't have the cameras rolling!

[@Bykerboy26]

@@CJCOffRoad would actually love to see that comparison. Maybe get the cameras rolling and show some outside and inside shots so we can get the full effect. Videos like these can be very persuasive when customers are looking to spend $3-4k vs $$5-8k. I myself would like to see what difference I'm paying for.

[@pablo3735]

I may be a bit late. But I went from the bds 4” to a Carli pintop. Night and day difference.

[@alfredjones5677]

Pablo which was better?

[@brianlamb8281]

How does the ride compare to the AEV set up?

[@CJCOffRoad]

The AEV kit is essentially drop brackets with standard 5100 shocks. The Carli system is a custom tuned suspension system with only the highest quality parts, joints and construction techniques.

[@MorphMixologyReptiles]

Do y'all make these for the GM 3/4 or 1 tons?

[@970tahoe]

Carli Suspension is designed around the application of a Solid Front Axle.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Sorry, as of right now there aren't Carli products for anything other than solid axle Ram and Ford trucks!

[@superdutyzack]

What year tuck?

[@anthonyrodriguez5728]

Do you guys sell a kit for a 2018 Toyota trundra??

[@CJCOffRoad]

No, Ram and Ford only for these Carli systems!

[@anthonyrodriguez5728]

@@CJCOffRoad thank you for the reply

[@EcoPower2TheMoon]

Do they make this kit for the 2019 Silverado Duramax

[@CJCOffRoad]

No, sadly.

[@thejuiceisloose8703]

Carli suspension only makes suspension kits for factory straight axle trucks. Currently dodge ram, ford superduty and jeep wrangler.

[@nameless5r]

Are there any performance suspension setups for 2wd? Everything I find is designed for 4x4

[@mandogarcia8145]

Well yeah, why would you raise something that isn’t 4x4

[@tinok.8149]

Thank you!

[@Mongosmotivation]

How about FORD Superduty?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Same theory applies!

[@145TMONEY]

At 3:21 the drivers side rear tire literally came off the ground.

[@notyourenemy7633]

Less driver comfort and movement = less driver control during those moments of uncomfort

[@dantheman6931]

Would this be a good kit for an F350 dually?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Yes, that exact system will fit!

[@superdutyzack]

Is the dually meant for towing? if so Just do a leveling kit.

[@BassFlatsBeyond]

My problem with this system and, others like it, is that it reduces the payload to that of a half ton. If I could have gotten away with half ton capacities I would have bought a half ton truck. The quality is there and you get what ya pay for, but if high speed off-roading is what you do, you probably should have bought a raptor.

[@CJCOffRoad]

These trucks are still very capable of hauling, a slightly reduced capacity does not necessarily mean 1500 capacities. Thanks for watching!

[@freedomrider266]

For us guys that need to haul AND off road, and don't want to buy and maintain 2 vehicles, this system is perfect...Just add air bags to your coils and the max factory payload and towing ratings are returned (much cheaper than 2nd vehicle)...Now you have best of both worlds!

[@loveracing1988]

Or just buy a leveling kit and keep the factory rear.

[@THETERPZ]

Do you guys do installs ?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Yes, give us a call!

[@THETERPZ]

Yes sir. I will. Thanks for the reply.

[@lg8471]

I'm sold... You guys rock... I'm not sure I can spend the money, but I don't know what this on your video costs.... Then I will have to install it... Can you give me a price out the door with military discount... You can text me or talk on phone... I think your E Venture click shocks are awesome... can you price with those as well...?? Thx

[@CJCOffRoad]

Feel free to email or call us any time Monday-Friday 9-5. Thanks!

[@campirider]

Nice truck! Nice Rolex!

[@diesellover6411]

Can I haul my fifth wheel camper with this or will it sag and if it sags can I add air bags ?

[@CJCOffRoad]

That depends on which system you run and what truck you have. If you have issues with heavy towing, the Carli long travel airbags are always a great option.

[@nicklasalle1889]

would be nice to see some on the F-250

[@CJCOffRoad]

We will be very soon!

[@paulmeadows6357]

I've got 6.5 Zone lift with coil springs. Obviously Carli and King are so much money they couldn't say the price Lol with my set up I can afford fuel each week.

[@jrlopez4341]

Dodge ram 2005 250 5 9

[@Titantramp4u]

Lift kits SUCK!.....all kidding aside it seems the vast majority of 2500/3500 truck owners don't have any idea on what a proper tuned suspension rides and handles like...Ask them with their generic lift kit how their truck rides and most will say "not too bad, it's a little stiff but I like that"....I used to give rides in my mid travel 2wd Titan pre-runner (I know not apples to apples, but gets the point across) and all of sudden they kind of get it...The shocks on that truck where also heavily R&D'd, not off the shelf..

[@trevorhamilton]

Ride quality is better but towing is way worse...

[@DillonFinnegan]

Yah no shit dude. You spend 2 or 3 times the amount of money it’s going to be a better ride. That’s like comparing a Miata to a Lambo

[@CJCOffRoad]

There are a plenty of Carli options that are very similar price wise the the compared kit that still ride much better. There have been a lot of arguments on forums etc as to the differences in the kits so we made a video to answer some of the questions. Thanks for watching!

[@Ecoboost5]

One is a lift kit meant to fit larger tires the other is a suspenion system.

[@daryoushborja5115]

Dillon A Miata may ride better than a Lambo as far as ride quality, but that is subjective.

[@YungDiddy1484]

It’s about the brand you go with it zone and bds will always be better in my opinion

[@jaydoucette3353]

I’m assuming this is for “mall crawlers” soft suspension + heavy hauling =👎🏻👎🏻

[@CJCOffRoad]

Hey Jay, your assumption is a little off! With some quick googling you can see that Carli suspension systems are some of the hardest charging off road suspension systems available for Ford and Ram diesel trucks!

[@jaydoucette3353]

CJC Off Road I agreed with you on the off road no doubt brother . My comment was referring to heavy hauling/towing.

[@moparproud3978]

@@jaydoucette3353 Anyone towing heavy doesn’t lift their truck. The mall crawlers that do and tow...well look at them going down the highway and shake your head. Carli stuff is the best on the market

[@Sdukes001]

Basically lift kits are for looks and ride awful. A suspension system is actually better suspension and ride and yes like everything in life you get what you pay for.

[@roykindrick4186]

That is all cool but it is not made for a Chevy!

[@fluffykittynoodles]

Who lifts minivans?

[@sh0cktim3]

Most Chevy are Crap trucks off road is why.