Player-Made Contracts Will Fuel Star Citizen's Dynamic Economy | Quantum is Now StarSim Confirmed

Star Citizen players will soon be able to assign missions to other players, but what does that mean for the overall economy? In this feature watch, we will look at the Quantum Economy, now StarSim, and how our own mission system will drive the game forward.
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[@jonathanpatterson2502]

As a player who prefers to solo but still enjoys the random interactions of emergent gameplay (buzzword I know) I think getting player created missions in game is very important. Like one of my top 5 feature I want in game

[@El1qt]

I think we are very far away from this, as it mainly depends on the game being very fleshed out. Rn if we implement this, no one will be giving out missions, all we have rn is the same repititive and boring contracts. We also need a functioning economy and then player missions will be useful

[@CaidicusProductions]

You have such an amazing ability to present things. Your voice, cadence, intonation, and script, are all of the highest quality. Thank you for everything, Tomato.

[@Waldfliegen]

yes! totally agreed. such pleasant vibes

[@weltenkrank7807]

"You hear that SpaceTomato ... Clip it!" 🤣 Elliot the goat!

[@owentharp6906]

Where did he say that?

[@weltenkrank7807]

2:45 ​@@owentharp6906

[@ReallyDazed]

What I look forward to in a dynamic Quantum/Starsim: Providing supplies to be-sieged planets. Supplying a factory with a surplus that slowly expands the economy of the system its in. Mining newly-discovered veins. Defending large supply convoys. Transporting workers to new hubs. Cargo hauling to a system experiencing a boom in population and demand. If they can get this to work. I will be happy.

[@steppahouse]

Player-created cargo missions, not just commodities but gear, ships, weapons, etc, are one of the things from my Eve Online days that I've been wanting to see.

[@sudonickx]

Damn, that Tony Z presentation was almost 5 years ago... Wild

[@havocnchaos]

I've seen the "factory builds X" "X is needed to build X" clips in no less than 20 other videos, but this time it got me thinking... What if all areas with ASOPs had an invisible store of each possible ship that could be claimed there. When their store is full, claim times are short, but when it gets below a threshold, claim times increase and orders are sent out to buy more. Parts and materials would also be needed by the nearest ship manufacturer. I could go on, but you get the idea...

[@tysonburns9535]

I hate to promote a failed game but, years ago Dual Universe had an amazing player driven market and economy. If someone from CIG took a look at it and replicated it, it would be what everyone wants in Star Citizen.

[@saosaoldian6742]

When the dynamic aspect of this game drops I will care.

[@Anony-Mouse]

Nice. These talks are fun. Keep them going.

[@cashflo502]

Hauling missions are going to be interesting. What stops the hauler from just stealing what they are hauling? Yes they will get a wanted status for a period of time but they can just clear so it is worth stealing the items. I think they are going to have to give people a "star" rating like Uber so you know who you can trust.

[@allthatishere]

They could have a liability aspect to it, like in Eve Online.

[@ChristoffRevan]

You'll lose reputation, so you won't get to do it over and over or else you won't even have access to the missions

[@El1qt]

Something called reputation my friend, if a player has bad rep dont hire them

[@vamperic]

Losing rep and the stolen goods get made worth garbage

[@1scrub2]

Most enjoyable. Informative, humorous, casual, and respectful of your viewers time.. And as always - top tier production quality. Thank you, ST.

[@daveg1701]

Great video. I’m excited to see what star sim brings. The game economy and a functioning beacon system will bring so much life to the verse. Really hope that we’ll be able to rent ships to others and create insured item transport missions.

[@ZaphodTube]

Player contracts would be awesome. Love helping others in the verse! Would love to find more opportunities besides global chat…

[@caktuspoika]

I Just love these feature watchs❤

[@Totozme]

You really put a lot of work in this project and it's very good content Thank you

[@yous2244]

Thanks for the video

[@TimAyro]

Dear god this can't come fast enough. I hope it's good.

[@holdenmcgroin5276]

This sounds great and all - but will I be able to spawn my Hull C and do any of this?

[@Fault401]

Great video as always :)

[@SingleTrack66]

Great to see Sandi taking such an active part in that 2015 clip 🙄

[@QuotidianStupidity]

Love your work man, and love the fact you get called out by the CiG guys 😂

[@SG-lc6vi]

Got to mention, the path this takes is the same as in the real world. Just like in Eve Online and the real world this will undoubtedly lead to scams, bot driven accounts, exploitation, a dwindling player base, and a barrier to entry for future new players unless RSI actively regulates the markets.

[@SpaceTomato]

Can you expand on that? Do you think it'd be better if players had no effect, or full control?

[@SymeonPhronema]

@@SpaceTomato SG-lc6vi is correct. We've seen this play out in EVE Online, and inevitably it will happen unless there's some form of regulation. I used to love EVE and played it for years, but a player-driven economy will cause all the problems listed, imo. Also, awesome video man. Well done.

[@Waldfliegen]

as always! pleasant Vibes, very nice Presentation, good Dude, good Videos! mega Videos, die du da machst! Greetings from Siegburg, Germany

[@jawshbawx1483]

😊 Solid juicy video.

[@restwellcloud-ix8ee]

this is turning into eve online on steroids. cool

[@Waldfliegen]

EvE has workd out many things to perfection. Very good, to use this Knowledge

[@gunsmoke9030]

Yeah eve had an amazing economy imo, i stopped playing over 10 years ago but to this day i am tempted to re sub

[@greentacogaming7989]

i ask and keep asking. i hope and pray we get the opportunity made easier, to start a cargo mission, have that mission spawn a piracy mission that is an intercept one, providing the drop off and pickup locations, and informing the cargo hauler "hey. our info got leaked. want help?" and if accepted, they take a 5% pay cut or something and it spawns a priority mission for people to take to help escort them. like they keep saying "people can do that already!" but if they'd just make it easier and facility more easy dynamic gameplay. we'd be golden!

[@MultiFishslayer]

wow nice did not know that!

[@malismo]

Excellent video, chief

[@mem0ryfoam]

9:36 really hit hard...

[@sanctred]

One of my disagreements with Chris’s stated position on Economy is they will not allow passive income mechanics for players. If that is true then your rent out ship idea would go against Chris’s stated vision. Which is too bad, these types of income generation be it renting out your ship or owning a factory that works while you’re offline are great game loop progression for players. CIG seems fine with charging players fees while they are offline for things like insurance but those same assets as of right now will only generate income when you’re actively doing something with it online. At least per CIGs stated direction…

[@0Cruik0]

So long as the Hurstons are in Stanton there will always be a surplus of human waste, heyo :P

[@HelminthCombos]

the whole economic point of eve is to make ships and stations, if you cant make ships, or player bases for outfits to sink money into, what's the point? for eve the more ships you make the longer you can fight a war. Hopefully someone has watched the "Down the rabbit hole EVE" to see how a real player economy works.

[@capnsquirrel4017]

Thank you for confirming that Tony Z still works at CIG.

[@cree8ion401]

"looking to expand upon in the future" is all well and good....but there's an awful lot of expansion required to get this beloved behemoth from an alpha, to an actual released game. So many wonderful ideas that in theory will make this the most amazing game ever....but I am not convinced we are going to see all these theories realised in even another decade from now. We can but hope.

[@madhatter241]

Where are the SWOB ships in SC. What kind of verse is this without SWOB boats? There are toilets, where is the Solid Waste Off-loading Barge operator career path? Where are the SWOB modules? Pirate this pot O honey!

[@wild_lee_coyote]

I miss Delamar I hope Nix follows Pyro fairly quickly.

[@bjordan429]

TonyZ Confirmed. Thanks.

[@TheGreatBizarro]

Time for the Hunt Brothers to enter Star Citizen :)

[@LordAikido]

Maybe they can get ai to stop standing on seats, then we can start expecting the ai to go do something meaningful.

[@flowdearneckflow8400]

Elliot is the man

[@goldbondmedicatedfoodpowder]

Is it me or has the channel grown a few thousand since these feature watches?

[@fnunez]

With player contracts CIG is going to find out why consumer protection laws exist :D. I bet we'll even see yt tutorials on how to make bank by scamming other players. The question is whether CIG will react soon enough, or whether those missions will go the way beacons did because players don't trust each other. The reputation system? That's going to be trivial to game. MMO players are grinders at heart.

[@El1qt]

There’s something called reputation my friend. Obviously once you scam someone, it will show up on your reputation and i highly doubt you will ever be hired again

[@kn9788]

I'm so annoyed with them misspelling Aluminium...

[@Glassmore223]

As always, keep going!

[@Norman_Peterson]

The only problem with the missions, and it amazes me that no one ever talks about it, is THAT THEY ARE ALL BROKEN. ;)

[@jah71]

This series pwns...

[@augustwest9727]

So what happens if we players who dont entirely control the economy, desides to go to war against npcs and blockage npcs from delivering anything anywhere for a while. Will that affect the costs of goods? If so, wouldnt we basically control the economy at that point?

[@XxTavoRxX]

At 10 percent ratio, the NPC's would be able to ensure security if that was the case, besides, not all of the 10 percent would be involved so you develop a bounty that real players could hunt. I think realistically, just like irl, players who just wanna see the world burn will be pushed back on. I think that would include pirates, eventually most people are going to want to see this verse grow and provide healthy economic trade and anything that impacts that negatively will be opposed. So unless they force "negative emergent" gameplay on us, it should eventually be a very small percentage in the future IMHO

[@vamperic]

Then they send in the navy to burn your little fleet to ashes

[@rainman2527]

😊

[@El1qt]

There needs to be a player driven economy though, where we decide the value of items or services. I dont know why there isn’t some sort of auction house yet

[@MegaSnapper01]

I still rate CIG is over complicating the game.

[@NotUnymous]

Yeah, good stuff. But Im sure we wont see any of that in the next 2-3 years.

[@rat_datboi2185]

That TonyZ presentation was 5y ago 😴

[@GW2Vids1]

Do we really think this is coming?

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

If you want an overabundance of human waste, round up some griefers. .

[@soliitudegaming7275]

Idk man it looks to me like they abandoned the idea of heavy NPC driven world. They are oversimplifying it into a supply chain that just spawns a handful of mission types. This game is turning out to be so much more bland than what was promised...

[@possum4403]

No, player made contracts will NOT fuel the SC economy. People thinking this is EVE online, a game that is 80 percent bots and incapable of getting 24k unique logins even at patch time. EVE has a vibrant bot economy, nothing else. An automated bot scripted community with a limited number of players posting the vast bulk of contracts via automation. With the currently planned inventory system this will NEVER happen. Imagine if EVE online had a physicalized inventory system, there would be no trading due to the obvious "Human hiccups" that would permeate said trading. Too many people In SC have new car smellitus and see unicorns and rainbows in relation to physicalized inventory/cargo and the upcoming "maintenance" gameplay. It is an affliction I call hard heads and soft asses, as they have no clue what they are walking into even after being told it is not a good idea.

[@cavemancrafting1933]

Why are you stealing CIG's content and reacting to it? Make your own stuff from scratch.

[@SpaceTomato]

You do realize CIG shares there footage so that we analyze it? These are marketing trailers.

[@cavemancrafting1933]

@@SpaceTomato You do realize there is a law around things called Fair Use, has been used a lot. In fact its the same law that allows you to analyze their trailers. Also, man calling folks idiots? pretty low.

[@cavemancrafting1933]

kind of funny call some one an idiot and edit it immediately after to change it so it shows up in email notifications, but not on youtube. Do better tomato.

[@THE_REAL_MISFIT]

ST is lookin' a lot older now. It's almost uncomfortable. We're all visibly aging, waiting for this "game". Sorry Space. I speak truth, not to offend, but because nobody else will say it.

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

lmao what do you mean nobody else will say it?? That's the same exact shit everybody says over and over. "I wont be alive anymore when this releases. I'll put my account in my will for my grandkids. I pledged when I was 9 years old and now I'm on my 3rd marriage." Etc etc, ad nauseam, on every single YT video, Reddit post, and Spectrum thread.

[@SpaceTomato]

I mean....I AM getting older lol

[@THE_REAL_MISFIT]

lol. yeah we are! 👴

[@Norman_Peterson]

@Space Tomato I would add that with beacons, they are adding an (excellent) gaming system, which does not calculate the real maturity of players in the online world. The problem is never the game, but the players. They will find ways to abuse, take advantage of, cheat by making the beacon something useless or in any case not very advantageous.Look at the medical beacon now, and we haven't even started in earnest. You cannot create a system based on the maturity and fairness of the players, since this does not exist. The only gaming methods are those that place very specific limits and limits on the players. The system you describe will have no future. Players will come in to ruin other people's missions, not to help.

[@M4VERICK69]

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