From Data Running to Crafting | Base Building Could Be Star Citizen's Endgame

[@SpaceTomato]

This is still a ways out from meaning much to the game, I imagine. Definitely not this year, and maybe possibly a small amount next year. As always, though, don't believe it until you see it.

[@thisSaint]

My end game is to retire on a cliff overlooking a small lake somewhere in the Pyro system. I will craft craft-beer, fine linens, and paint landscapes. I will have a dog named “pyro” (or a species very similar to a dog ). In the morning, I will write poetry and meditate. Around noon, I will start drinking my craft beer. Around afternoon, “pyro” and I will get into my Cyclone and go hunting for meat and fur (fur for the fine linens). Around dusk, I will wake up in a grass field drunk and with no meat or fur. Pyro will guide me back home. At night I will sing songs of memories past, then I’ll pass out again and dream of how I lost my Kraken in a game of poker. :)

[@Verinia]

I'm determined to setup on the furthest moon in the furthest star system and be completely self-sufficient, except for runs to town to sell. Can't wait! Literally, I hope I'm still alive in 10 years.

[@El1qt]

Im not saying this to be toxic but I’m pretty sure you can do this in no mans sky if you want

[@Verinia]

@@El1qt I've played a lot of NMS, but there isn't really any danger or challenge there. I love the risk, the challenge, and the reward of what an MMO pvp experience like SC could provide. There's none of that in NMS or anywhere else.

[@ufeelinselfrighteous8470]

uhhh.... how many star systems you think they'll have in 10 years? My guess is 4

[@sirglogglubardons150]

You forgot a zero. 100 years

[@matteobarbarini3120]

@@Verinia up for the best reply ever.

[@MormoGhoulking]

Star Wars Glaxies player cities had shuttles, harvesters, factories, shops, cantinas, cloning facilities, hospitals, and factional bases with stormtroopers and AT-STs!

[@Gundobald]

Yes! I built a city with people from the ign forums back in the day. Loved swg.

[@ryanmitchell4044]

I wish star citizen was going that route

[@Hellscream420]

One thing I loved about Star wars galaxies was the resources had different stats and combining better stat resources mad better products such as food and weapons becoming stronger. I hope they do something like that as well

[@juschillin8946]

I was/am a hard shipwright and I found that to be the most fun and rewarding part of my exp. I really hope star citizen can follow some type of stuff like that, even when your extractor would run out, it would be annoying but that payout of making 5 ship chassis and putting them on the bazaar made it so rewarding for me. Low key what I dream star citizen to be

[@JohnVanderbeck]

You also had PvE servers though, where people could build these cities without others tearing them down. Toxic gaming is also at a new level these days. I will be amazed if any group can manage to build a solid coop trade city without some other group trying to tear it down for the lulz.

[@drfreeze76]

Setting up a base in the remote reaches of a system and becoming the best widget crafter in the verse is my end goal. I’ll go out and mine the resources I need, purchase what I can’t source on my own and then craft and tune whatever system I end up deciding on to perfection. The end goal being other players looking to obtain my product over all others. That’s the dream anyways. A crafting hermit in his far away fortress making the best of the best.

[@XxTavoRxX]

Well if you make good stuff, I'll come visit your shop 😊👍

[@ohyeah2816]

I played Second Life for a few years and had a couple of bases with houses, skyboxes, docks, boats, military & civil vehicles along with gardens which for some reason I really enjoyed. I could also make things and run clubs with light set ups and recorded and live acts which I’m thinking won’t be possible. Anything extra to what we have now will be great.

[@Ryggs]

Building and crafting were two of my favorite parts of Star Wars Galaxies back in the day. I hope CIG learns from their mistake and builds in a way to clear abandoned structures early on. If you think hospital gowns are annoying, imagine thousands of abandoned structures covering every square meter of usable land

[@Veritatis.Cupitor]

Should be easy with 'salvage' tech, no?

[@Ryggs]

@@Veritatis.Cupitor probably. One big difference between SWG and SC is the expectation of permanence. SWG eventually made it possible to remove old houses (though it was way late and the game was already dying) but one of the reasons they gave was that players returning after a hiatus shouldn't lose their shit or they would lose their shit. They even put in a mechanic where when we destroyed an abandoned house, all the contents would move to the inventory of the account holder should they come back. It seems like SC is intending for player structures to be destructable and or require fees to keep them protected.

[@doubledigital_]

@@Veritatis.Cupitor could make it "hand salvage" bit of malestrom action :P

[@GeneElder.R27]

" I hope CIG learns from their mistakes" lol. CIG NEVER learns from their mistakes, they just double down and put out a concept sale.

[@BryanEnsign]

Amazing story telling and video editing. Not sure who all will appreciate that, but top notch man. Great job.

[@SpaceTomato]

Thank you! Hopefully everybody who selected "base building" in the poll will enjoy it! 😂

[@klaric1]

All of this is great and all, but it’s hard to even look forward to this with many kind of anticipation when at the moment you’re lucky to survive a trip on an elevator or landing in a hanger. I can’t even fathom the possibility of base building at the current rate of progress. I could literally construct an entire subdivision of homes with my bare hands before anything like this will even be close to being implemented.

[@NateMcQuade]

Couldn't agree more. I signed into the game for the first time in a month after having a frustration break, and within 30 minutes, I'd died from a bad elevator shaft, and lost all my gear irretrievably. This is far from the first time... These concepts are cool, but the shoring up of the basic functions of the game are definitely *more important*.

[@GabrielVitor-kq6uj]

SC NEEDS to have a trade system between players. An effective one, like most MMOs have. So the itens you craft have intrinsic value. You could have anything from raw ores to data being sold at those markets. So pathfinders could sell their discoveries as well as a dedicated crafter could sell better ship weapons than what the game gives. We need a system like a quality tier for itens.. it doesn't have to go under the same approach as other games, the usual common to legendary tiers and all. But it definitely needs one. So the items you can buy from NPCd are only common. And you gotta do certain quests or craft your own high tier items, or maybe the NPC seller is only available when maxing out the reputation levels. Anyways, that's what SC needs to be to have an actual player driven economy. An effective way to craft, a way to buy, sell and trade items between them. Basebuilding yes, and some sort of a tier system for every type of item, to give them real value. Maybe a way to increase that tier through crafting too.

[@XxTavoRxX]

Yes, this is what I thought when I heard "emergent player interaction" I didn't think, oh, I gotta find people to kill, I thought, cool, we can trade and work together to build an economy 😊

[@anthonystrickland7049]

I'm not counting on bases for at least 2 years. The custom hangars might have some basics down for it, there's just so much more complexity involved in personal outdoor bases. Plus, there's no infrastructure for resources, how to build structures, persistence, respawn functionality, and on and on. We don't have reliable in-ship respawning and they're talking about custom bases as if they're mostly implemented.

[@KBMSound]

Land Claims, the final boss in the Star Citizen pledge store

[@les_crow]

Explore. Any fantastically scifi spectacle you can dream of will be possible in SC. I wanna see nebulas, caves, exotic forests{pleasing to the eye), Nintendoland(Japan - once CIG has a deal with Nintendo to create an in-game theme park on the island of Japan on Terra). Then I want to enjoy it all again in VR once that comes along, and again when VR becomes full dive.

[@Forsakei]

I'm trying out the free fly now that I have a computer that can run the game, but I'm genuinely struggling to get anything done, really. Nothing feels intuitive, especially not the UI. I tried finding somewhere to land on Hur-whatever, and I request landing. For whatever reason, the game decides to give me pings on all hubs on the planet instead of telling me where to land in the city.

[@AlexandreParchomenko]

Yes, it's been an ongoing "issue", spaceports are not well indicated at all. It gets easier with time and experience but doesn't excuse the bad signage

[@AlbertLesmerises]

I'll get all my credits from hauling won't wast my time mining.😁

[@Berandini]

This will be a huge step in the right direction. Especially for someone like me who is a HORRIBLE pilot. LOL

[@matteobarbarini3120]

Soon (tm)

[@kermkerm]

One of the ways to have a purpose to the end game is survival. If you need money more to survive, and having the risk of dying with DOAS, you will always have a purpose of meaningful survival next to whatever other missions there are or that you set for yourself. Giving gear more value (such as making armor and weapons WAY more expensive) can also create value to loot hunting and arms selling

[@gylord1470]

They should look at Star Wars Galaxies it had the best base/city building mechanics and functionality.

[@Karu617th]

my end goal for Star Citizen is to participate in or witness a massive space battle between orgs with all manner of ships. it includes boarding actions and a massive ground battle to round it out. the resulting flood of videos would sway most fence sitters to play.

[@Bell_the_Cat]

I'm a hermit when it comes to games with housing. I'll be in an inhospitable location, remote and off the beaten track. I value my solitude in games as much as I do in RL.

[@karlchiasson4946]

2 things I expect when base building comes along. 1: The initial implementation is going to be shallow and they will give us the very basic elements. 2: They will completely overlook the ability for us to have a quantum marker for our base location.

[@Shadowen925]

I think we need a Minimum Viable Product release of drones for base building. Give us the ability to use the drones as short range base building scouts. Zip around with our flight controls and setup base blueprints on the ground. Then they could give drones basic repair, salvage, etc.

[@fidel4023]

I can’t wait for this feature to actually be added. Now bombers will have a fun use.

[@ThomasD66]

Cant keep talking about Pyro, so now we talk about something else that is years - if ever - away.

[@ktw6755]

Been really enjoying watching your videos

[@drunit8122]

I see you're using some of that footage from 3.24 ;) Great shots from those planetary glitches!!!

[@timeflex]

The endgame gameplay for me is creativity -- to create something unique, remarkable and useful.

[@Unrealclient]

Well done

[@captainash1297]

Great video Tomato - Doing my part for the algorithm!

[@mokutomedia1253]

Winning an org vs org space battle. Endgame for me.

[@Halengar-o7]

this is the vid iv been waiting forr

[@neonblowfish]

CIG needs to add a lot of the game play that Star Wars Galaxies was doing 20years ago relative to crafting and housing.

[@jafo6250]

100% agree Space!

[@popsinspace2565]

Thanks Space!

[@suvalaki]

Hey this video really needs to have a discussion of how realistic each of these features is.

[@PsyEm-p1j]

I would like to think their commitment to talking about it for this year says something about the timeline…but having been a long time backer, I know it means Jack 💩 😂

[@samuraielson]

Nice video man, liked and subbed.

[@scottyrose]

Thanks

[@forsakendoe]

Nice video, as usual :3

[@HunterSteel29]

I would love to have a small base where I can land my Perseus and my admittedly smol Org (centered around the Perseus) can perform maintenance on it, resupply, and fly to and from as well as call a place in the 'verse home. If we can have an Asteroid base that'd be even better. Because then I can have an enclosed hangar to park my Perseus and our Org's ships in.

[@setaindustries]

I hate to be so negative but looking at CiGs track record I have no faith they would be able to pull this off. If your ship randomly explodes well no big deal just claim it again. But what if your base does that? What if it just pops out of existence? Too many things can go wrong here.

[@ronaldtreitner1460]

yup that's the reason i play so much fallout 4, base/settlement building.

[@julienzacharias9540]

I hope they make a system that encourages people collaborating and create a real economy. For instance, allow only 1 land grab / base per player, hence limiting their resources access to what is available on their plot of land. This will force people who want to specialise into crafting / trade to seek the missing resources from other players. By creating this need for inter-dependancies we create a framework for a real economy that people need to care about. If anyone player is allowed to have access to everything, it'll make it easier to achieve the top end game content (whatever it means, blueprints, advanced tech, shipwright etc) without anyone else help. At the end, every player will have the same, and the game will die out. I think a lot about the crafting system from Star Wars Galaxies, where servers had their famous crafters with the best stats, because they managed a tight production line, with the best quality of resources. Additionally if players depend on each other for resources, this gives place for the cargo profession, to bring those needed resources from one player to another. Incorporate that into Quantum and we have a very interesting end game, where people will care have a true purpose, that could keep the game alive for years if not decades.

[@mythicallegendary3992]

There needs to be either stuff players can’t find and have to craft, or where most items have to be gained through playing and not buying.

[@UnderdogSMO]

FYI Fallout 76 also has shit like Stores keyosks, as well as things like Mining extractors (though you do need to unlock all that stuff as you progress). There considerably more then social hubs and I am not kidding what SC seems to be aiming for is REAL close (even haveing AI to run some of said stores ... though Fallout they tend to take the role of "companions" and cant do anything other then hang out at your camp)

[@Bloodlit]

I wanna build my own Grimhex with my boys. 😅

[@seanLeprechaun]

How cool would it be to mine/extract and craft items, then create contracts for cargo haulers (players) to come and get it for a cut. Just chilling in your living room and notice a cargo ship come down and land on your pad to remove the items. Then you get a rep for having good resources and offering fair wages/prices. Hope I live long enough to see it.

[@rixxo]

I hope Base building will be a huge group effort.

[@GrayBeardFPS]

I hope not. I hope everything is achivible alone with npc help.

[@rixxo]

@@GrayBeardFPS building your own hut, house yeah. But not a base.

[@boogerpicker8104]

Idk how you’ve done but you’ve managed to fit 4 ads in an 11 minute video.

[@roel2377]

Yes please base building ❤

[@derqatarzan4207]

My end game would be a singular working loop for once.

[@SpaceTomato]

lol

[@bappo2693]

Land claim in SC will be priced starting at $90\mo subscription watch.

[@JoshDoubleU]

How do you think they will solve the issue of locations early doors? do you think if i own a base somewhere onn hurston, whenn i go to joinn a server will it just allocate me a shard where my base location isnt taken? sounds like a nightmare to accomplish

[@kudos1729]

I thought maybe a system like Stanton would be ‘Low Security’, Terra ‘High Security’, and Pyro-Nxy to be ‘No Security’.

[@Captiveyeti]

Attach asteroids to the outside on endevor, asteroid base built.

[@neonblowfish]

In other words, SC needs to be more like Star Wars Galaxies, but that would take them another decade

[@AlexandreParchomenko]

Oh yeah, i cant wait to build my own base and park all my ships around in a proud display, then get bombarded by some goon clowns during the few hours i've left the game 😅😅😅

[@justalex4214]

Let's be real here: no matter what people are imagining basebuilding is going to be, it's extremely likely that whatever CIG is putting out will be a huge disappointment that will take years to fix, like always. I hope to be proven wrong tho.

[@F1neW1ne]

I have learned in the last 4 1/2 years of playing this game that these features will be here in about a year and a half and the bugs worked out possibly two years. I can’t believe how long it’s taking CIG to get this set up. Will this still have a player base in 3 years?

[@0PsychosisMedia0]

No. They are hemorrhaging players, and funding is way down.

[@F1neW1ne]

@@0PsychosisMedia0 super glad that I did not buy a bunch of ships with real money. I feel bad for people who did. Well kind of.

[@SpaceTomato]

Yes it will still have a playerbase.

[@senecajones2632]

Ok, I have to say this is great. But I would settle for working suit lockers. Thank you for your video, even if you are an AI.

[@El1qt]

Obviously not? He’s currently live streaming and you can see his face there

[@sirkula1842]

My question would be is my base movable easy or do I have to start from scratch if I build a base and purchase the land but then the resources are depleted doesn't that leve my base kind of abandoned when their is no more resources I’m not sure this will work well unless I can pick up and move easy enough who is going to want to spend months building to have to start all over guess we will have to Waite and see how this all works out

[@SuperJim44]

Love your content Space Tomato!

[@aikiwolfie]

Citizencon? Are you trying to suggest we're getting base building this year or soon? Because that's not happening. CIG are still struggling with the cargo gameplay they promised for 3.23 and failed to deliver.

[@Slay0lot]

Plenty of salvaging, mining, prospecting, delivery and soon hauling options. Just no combat and very little to do with exploration. My other issues is I can rack millions of credits, besides buying a ship. There isn’t much else to do with it once you have all the basics.

[@Deadle100]

Hopium

[@SpaceTomato]

80% informational, 47% hopium

[@SpartanElite925]

I wish I could just forget about star citizen and come back in 4 years. the speed of dev is so painful.

[@SpartanElite925]

base building is a standard norm in so many poorly made online games. This shouldnt be touted as endgame, it should be there already,

[@pizzasteve205]

Can you add subway surfers gameplay in the corner?

[@Venhili]

I'll disagree about one thing. Base building isn't end game, it shouldn't be end game. Rather it should be a form of progression, something that you go out and build early on and slowly make grow over time

[@benjaminbeck5516]

Soon™

[@viper5955]

👍

[@robertlee1497]

So...3.24 will come out to the P.U. on August 30th 2024. And 4.0 will come out to the P.U. on January 1st 2025...got it.

[@derjadebaum9159]

Very strange, they always stated base building will be part of the game, but not the endgame.

[@derjadebaum9159]

In addition to that, they always told to not expect it with the release. But when you "release" something, the endgame already needs to be there.

[@SpaceTomato]

Yes, I am not saying they said it would be the endgame. I am saying it combines all of the gameplay mechanics into a way that makes sense as the culmination of what the game has to offer from a sandbox perspective.

[@Power5]

There has to be serious consequences in game before base building is feasible. Unlike real life where 99% of the population does not see a random house and decide to destroy it, in video games, that seems to be the opposite. SC has mostly been KoS since CIG introduced 3.15 and looting dead player bodies of their goods. Moreso now that they have introduced the ability to remove cargo from ships using the tractor beam. 10 minutes of Klescher running through the caves to get out of prison is not a deterrent. I still think SC has gone too hardcore survival. I have zero desire to buy gear since it is lost upon death, unless I spend the time to go back to my body and get it back. Unless it disappears or the body is in a place that cannot be reached. Before 3.15 when I ran into other players there was almost never any attacking each other. Every player had unique style to their character. I cannot remember the last time I saw a player with those glowing blade style helmets. MMO players usually like to craft their character style and do not want to have to redo it each time they die. My character is in the white noob suit 99.9% of the time. Pick up some random gear at an outpost and do not care what it looks like. I feel no connection to my avatar due to not being able to style it how I want without having to redo it every time I die.

[@adawg3032]

thank you for not following the current trend of doomer posting about SC. People act like SC is gonna die just cuz 4.0 is delayed which was obviously gonna happen anyways cuz its SC

[@mr.u3078]

the biggest thing in mmo´s are to aquire nice things that gives you an edge or simply to look different, wether its from raids, crafting, rep grind or whatever, and in star citizen anyone can at any time murder you and take your stuff, why would I bother?

[@El1qt]

Just find another game man, this is clearly not the one for you. I’m not even saying this to be toxic

[@mr.u3078]

@@El1qt SC is the best space sim there is at the moment, so I play it, but in terms of an mmo, its an insult to mmo´s, there is zero content in that regard

[@El1qt]

@@mr.u3078 agreed

[@0PsychosisMedia0]

The risk vs none risk game play has always been baked in SC from day one. If you can't handle any type of risk, then stay out of low sec space. But this was never to be a safe-place game. You need to go beyond your comfort zone.

[@Valium_x]

100% we need a progression tree, why am I even going to pyro? Why am Mining? ⛏️

[@loccosheff]

This game is a nice dream but l am afraid it will stay just that, a dream :(

[@aronhayse9895]

CIG really needs gameplay wtf i dont care if its buggy its still alpha but what they need is gameplay not a gallery art

[@trustgaming_shorts]

You will see how much more money they will `sip` from peoples for this thing to happen :)

[@smileynick]

No point covering end game rubbish when there’s no game at all.

[@senecajones2632]

Are you an AI

[@lanceobe6801]

Star Citizen + endgame? Longest running joke out there. Lol

[@afternoondelight6322]

None of this it gonna happen lol ..

[@Terran0va_Plays]

Imagine Tech. Who cares. No offense to you. That’s toward the devs.

[@Gundobald]

Fuuuuuuuck cargo hauling is stupid.

[@BigBobBlazer]

Does anyone else get tired of these daydreaming vids of one of the slowest developing, over-marketed, bug-ridden games in this era? At some point it just seems utterly foolish.

[@b-l1969]

We should stop calling it "base building"

[@CitizenScott]

6:16 I-Need-My-Space Tomato lol love it

[@GeneElder.R27]

This is everything wrong with Star Citizen. Commentators and Content Creators constantly theory-crafting a game that does not exist as if it does.

[@SpaceTomato]

What is the problem with me repeating what they've already said? I include the clips from the company themself that show they have said the same thing, what did I add to this video that they haven't said?

[@GeneElder.R27]

​@@SpaceTomato These video essays are one thing, but your podcasts with guests are just pure theory-crafting about how their theory-crafting would make the game a hundred times better, and somehow, If only CIG would get its act together and make that, everything will be unicorns. Call me cynical, if there is a buck to be made, CIG and content creators are going to make sure the hype train keeps running with dozens of videos every week about the next jesus patch or ship, just dont pay any attention to the actual dumpster fire behind the curtain. Going on year 13, its getting old AF.

[@SpaceTomato]

@@GeneElder.R27 But you said THIS is everything wrong as if this video was the problem? I was just reporting what has already been shared.

[@GeneElder.R27]

@@SpaceTomato I stand by what I said, a large bulk of youtube SC content is theorycrafting about how you or this person or that person would make a better game if only the devs did this or that. No reason to get defensive, you wouldnt have a quarter of the content you do without theorycrafting in some form or other. Its on me to just ignore it, because its not going to stop.

[@Norman_Peterson]

single player have ENDGAME, not a MMO SANDBOX ONLINE. eve online don't have "endgame". Don't be a console player mentality

[@coreyh2296]

@@Norman_Peterson mmo even have end game content there is just much more you can do after you complete all the main quests in that expansion

[@deepop6045]

Base building shouldnt and I doubt will be "the end game"... Base building should be a way for a player to produce income and store items/ products. I invision an endgame where you are working on building your own capital ship.. literally mining and refining and producing the parts... Where organizations are building there own star bases and "forts" on planets.. not to mention the logistics and war production economy. If they are smart they will emulate eves economy and make sure its a player driven. You should be able to go out and mine minerals, bring them back and refine them and use them to produce ship parts that you can use via blue prints. Id also like to see player made or owned asteroid bases. Some of us want to live in space and not on a station.