SpaceX Begin Starship v2 Tests, New Superheavy Static Fires...but will Booster 12 be Scrapped?

[@MattLowne]

04:20 ARGHH I obviously meant to say "version 1 booster" not "version 2" my bad 😭😭

[@zopEnglandzip]

Not good enough. Cheers.

[@Starbaseupdates]

😊

[@ZSpace3000]

3 Replys?? Come on. He's literally the goat for ksp vids.

[@dctranberg1]

There are thousands of elements in each test. Even though it looks like the "same" test.

[@MattLowne]

Yes, part of the reason why I'm so interested in why the test needed doing again with Booster 13

[@akqle4438]

@@MattLowne I'm assuming it was probably to test the internal structural strength of the tower and chopsticks that couldn't easily be tested externally. But I'm not a materials scientist nor structural engineer so don't quote me on that.

[@Mira-bt3zx]

@@MattLowne I wonder if there was some information gained about the booster, not just the chopsticks. Not sure what that would be though

[@jibbmng]

@@MattLowne just my own speculation, but to me it looks like a calibration step for catch preparation - the booster and tower will be subtly different from the last launch, and so they're just double checking where the booster comes to rest relative to the tower so they know where to aim at for landing.

[@PhotoArtBrussels]

So ... for the SLS they announce "the cleaning of a tank" .... meanwhile in Bocachica they are wheeling components over the beach without even a plastic sheet in sight! lol

[@drew8443]

Can't wait for the first Starship trans lunar injection

[@Syntex366]

That’s probably still years off since they’re still working on building bigger stack variants with better engines. The first operational use for Starship will be LEO payloads like anything else, they might be able to open up easy access to HEO deployment, but there’s not really a commercial need for that outside of the few scientific research interests that might come along.

[@akqle4438]

(in 2040)

[@AzureImperium7701X]

@@Syntex366they have a contract from nasa as a lunar lander.

[@alexb-mc4jo]

They'll have to drag on the prograde vector for quite a while on the maneuver node (No one made a ksp reference, so I did)

[@Syntex366]

@@AzureImperium7701X I know that. That doesn’t really change anything. Starships not gonna be lunar insertion ready for a while. As much as I love the program and think it’s a historic milestone it’s still in testing, they haven’t even started working on orbital insertion because they’re still dealing with re-entry issues on Starships fins and Superheavy still has its own kinks to work out even if the landing is mastered, it suffered some serious damage during flight.

[@BobaPhettamine]

Saved definitely, it's one of the biggest parts of rocket history it would be a crime to scrap it.

[@brennan-p6j]

1:56 please tell spacex that they need a rocket garden and the perfect way to start is by using the recovered super heavy booster

[@chrisglen-smith7662]

You mean a visitor centre with a rocket garden? Yes, definitely.

[@themodelrailwayman5470]

my grandfather passed away on the 20th - he was the one that got me into aerospace in general, leading to the job I have today, and my love of space- and aircraft. as I was driving home from my parents' after hearing the news of his passing, I saw what Im pretty sure was the Starlink Satellite train (it was very linear, and moving faster than the other stars, but i didnt have chance to check any trackers as I was driving). while im not personally someone who believes the stars/celestial objects are our dead relatives looking down on us, it did at least feel appropriate, like a last sendoff to my grandad

[@peppapig9987]

May he rest in peace.

[@uddek]

May he Rest In Peace

[@themodelrailwayman5470]

@@peppapig9987 thank you

[@themodelrailwayman5470]

@@uddek thank you

[@ElectronTC]

It's crazy how much respect I used to have for Boeing that has now been absolutely decimated in recent years

[@AE8ZN6]

I appreciate the extra effort it took to make this video length exactly 1337… very 90s cool

[@Dejvmurej]

Elon would like it to be 14.88

[@matthewsantoro4441]

Honestly the only thing I can really think of for why they would raise the booster like that would be some sort of sensor calibration, maybe gps calibration, especially the booster relative to the tower

[@beagledadX2]

That old lady helping the astronauts stand 😂 she got folded in half trying to support that guy

[@GilWanderley]

12:17 By the way, the CCTV Video News Agency KZbin channel uploaded a showcase of the space station by the Shenzhou-18 crew last week, if you have curiosity on how the Tiangong Station is inside

[@g.guzmancross9722]

Congratulations, Matt. I enjoyed it from start to finish, here on San Andres Island, Colombia.

[@chrisglen-smith7662]

My feeling on the lift to catch height might have been to check that the stress of the catch on the various parts of the tower have not affected the tower.

[@RyanKingArt]

thanks!

[@Allthegoodhandlesaretakenlmao]

I think they’re gonna basically do a taxidermy on it. Remove all the valves and pipes and such then put just the tank and engines on display

[@Megacat8199]

Literally the best space news series ever I LOVE YOU MATT AAHHRGGRGRRR

[@dodleboper]

you should have metioned how Elon said the chine damage was nearly fatal to the booster and engine problems were one second away from the booster aborting the catch

[@charliewastaken]

Hey Matt, I noticed that the crew dragon landing footage had only 3 chutes. Was this another failure, old clip, or just a norm now?

[@visyxl]

4:20 HAHA FUNNEH NUMBER MISTAKE

[@AvionMatt]

I love these please keep them up

[@cameronarcher1410]

The catch simulation was most likely for calculating the booster to the tower height differences or they want to change how the booster lands in this launch could be some things there not happy with in launch 1

[@TeddytheScienceDude365]

Love your vids🥰

[@davidalldred9392]

Lifting th empty booster could just be part of an equipment cycling program to keep and th cables and pulleys on stage zero lubricated. Having so many moving parts that close to the ocean is a maintenance nightmare all on its own tbf.

[@GreenJimll]

"Will it be scrapped or will it be saved?" Or will it be used for further tests?

[@ekowstevens4054]

Yes all very good and everything but how does Space X's progress impact the delivery date of the next planet coaster video? It's these sort of important questions that a real hard hitting generalist would answer.

[@philipp-on4gp]

Can someone tell me where space x shares these insane fottage? Ich cant find them anywhere

[@war_fish]

i have a feeling they will keep the booster and ship from their first full flight profile (Booster + Ship catch)

[@siezarprendiz]

Ok, could we get your sources please?

[@MatchGuy]

Wait that how they reuse the hot staging ring!?

[@imaginary_friend7300]

No.

[@FlyingBaco]

I have an idea for ksp. Try to do a cargo drop to your bases on planets like laythe

[@dougbrinklow9979]

Is it possible that the Booster is lifted into the catch position so that SpaceX can run some software captures/diagnostics that grab the GPS locations of booster sensors so that it knows exactly where it needs to be at catch time? It is a prototype, after all.

[@JohnR31415]

Are they calibrating GPS for return?

[@JcBoi]

you should review the Halloween and Jack'o'lantern KSP mods for halloween, I'd be interested in what you make

[@garyfoot2811]

The ship needs to know where it is going to catch the Booster. With ourtomanus landing

[@Papershields001]

I think they should roll booster 12 out by the entrance of starbase and just have it there on display. When the first ship makes it back they should go stack it and keep that on static display.

[@baileydeyoung8049]

I’m thinking that test is a just see if something breaks when we do this test.😂

[@snakevera]

Maybe they are trying to compare the difference in chop stick flex or perhaps recalibrate sensors and compare old calibration data 🤷‍♂

[@ziyad_aljassasi]

I don't know about B12's fate , but I would prefer for them to preserve it.

[@brianhillier7052]

TOWER LIFTING BOOSTER >> My guess Software calibration/ and or different parameter testing/ were by they did not need the booster filled.

[@mysterymayhem7020]

I don't think we will ever see an operational starliner. I think Boeing will end up cancelling the program.

[@PendergastOrbitals657]

Love it matt. Also I am making a mission in KSP specialy created for you. Want to play it in a video.

[@hadorstapa]

It surely deserves to be preserved, but I suspect it will be scrapped.

[@Asterra2]

IFT6 was meant to retry whatever went wrong with IFT5. I doubt anyone really expected basically everything to work. Yeah, about the only thing they can really do is tweak the flaps again to try to get closer to solving the reentry melting, but I personally don't expect them to bother changing anything there. So maybe it's now all about repeating the success solely for the sake of repeating it. It's not like it would be a better idea to scrap the entire stack at this point.

[@imaginary_friend7300]

The flaps have been changed and moved on the V2, there is nothing to fix or tweak, the design is dated. They do have one other thing to do before they can consider recovery and that's the in orbit engine relight, so another flight could be more than a mere repetition. It would be a fools notion to scrap the whole stack at this point. They're making a lot of real progress.

[@Asterra2]

@@imaginary_friend7300 They can't modify the flight plan, even for something as fundamentally insignificant as in-orbit relight, without jeopardizing the launch date. So I think the only new thing they're shooting for is the quick turnaround they can achieve by repeating IFT5. With a 4-week turnaround under their belt, that's ammo for pushing back against the FAA's inevitable future heel dragging.

[@Ihavenooriginalideas]

I am gonna be completely honest: Flight 5 felt routine. Just the reentry of Ship 30 was like, "Yes, yes, anyways," but maybe that's just because of the catch. But now that B13 has already static fired, it REALLY feels routine.

[@MarkoDash]

at this point the biggest slowdowns with the whole project are the bureaucracy and associated backdoor political hurdles.

[@mattplaygamez]

You forgot to mention that for flight 5 the booster was 1 second away of crashing next to to the tower something with starstup time if engines

[@Allthegoodhandlesaretakenlmao]

I think the quote said that it was a precautionary measure and that it would ditch into the dunes to prevent damage to the OLM in case of a failure

[@SleepyGamerPR]

I feel like SpaceX will fist static fire B12 again and then maybe either scrap it or put it on display at the Starbase entrance

[@imaginary_friend7300]

You think they'll repair/replace the damaged engines just for a static fire? Are you thinking verification of the manifold and thrust puck after all that heating?

[@Vodhin]

195 (give or take) Raptor engines have flown so far.

[@awilliams1701]

I'll be surprised if starliner flies again honestly.

[@uddek]

Spending another dollar on Starliner is a joke. We don't need another capsule.

[@awilliams1701]

@@uddek I don't agree with that, but there is no reason to waste money on boeing.

[@Rein0fbread17]

Why did the FAA ban building more atlas Vs

[@imaginary_friend7300]

FAA ban? I thought the issue was no more Russian engines..

[@Rein0fbread17]

@ same

[@Rein0fbread17]

In the video, he said that the FAA band building more

[@Starbaseupdates]

Nice❤

[@peterrobins3548]

can't see why it can't be used for a possible expendable development mission atleast unless there was a structural issues found post flight. Unlikely me thinks, 1st gen boosters seem structurally over engineered to me but I'm just a peasant.

[@TeddytheScienceDude365]

Hi

[@dougbrinklow9979]

If Elon's philosophy is, "The best part is no part", do you think he's considered eliminating the forward flaps? Why wouldn't smaller fixed fins do the trick? If the rear flaps are tucked in, it would nose-up. If extended, then nose down. In the middle, stable belly-flop. It could still turn and glide and do what it needs to do. The only thing that might be missing is yaw, but that is probably not needed at that entry height.

[@camdentherocker3230]

I'm here in first 9 minutes of this video posting

[@UnkownGuy64]

4:54 my bday!

[@Pandariptor]

Day 2 of asking Matt to try out Juno new origins

[@jacobthibodeau6685]

they should display the booster as a museum piece... would be a real shame if they reused it and it was to explode.

[@imaginary_friend7300]

Pretty much a 0 chance they're reuse it.

[@Hexemon]

Anyone see the bird falling out of the sky at 3:19? This must happen .. right?

[@illustriouschin]

That com sat just happens to operate in all the regions where China is putting a lot of resources into.

[@r-0-ck-3-t98]

they probably just raise the boosters for photo opps

[@mohammedalnayar]

Nooo, should have included the interview between Destin and Matt and Don :/

[@439sparky1]

Boeing should just make toasters. They can’t possibly **** that up.

[@MarkoDash]

it will cost 500 bucks and the bread will come out colder than it went in.

[@jxpat]

Did he say 'Starliner' and 'in service ' in the same sentence? It'll never happen!

[@mENTALdRIFTER]

4:40 never say no to real world data

[@FinleyHarman-i2m]

Here in 40 seconds

[@FinleyHarman-i2m]

I also think that they will save it

[@famlrnamemssng]

Congress banned building Atlas V's? Why?

[@notarobot7620]

Because they use the RD-180, a Russian engine. After they invaded Crimea back in 2014 the US govt got a bit nervous about having a rocket dependent on Russian tech. This is basically why Vulcan exists - the Delta 4 was horrifically expensive and Atlas V fell victim to politics.

[@famlrnamemssng]

@@notarobot7620 bruh

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

So the idea that SpaceX could 'turn around' their booster and use it again is proven not to be the case. Sad.

[@imaginary_friend7300]

What are you talking about? They have reused boosters almost 2 dozen times in some cases.

[@DragonFruitYTUK]

Boeing is good when it comes to flying in the air… not so much flying in a vacuum

[@jantjarks7946]

... errhh 👀

[@lordgarion514]

So you missed the news about Boeing pleading guilty to two felonies that resulted in a lot of people dying from two plane crashes. And you must have missed the news about the door plug popping out because someone forgot to put bolts in it. And that ain't even all the negative news when it comes to Boeing flying in the air.

[@alfredtg]

Honestly… Boeing should just close their doors

[@CorneliusRex]

Damn, got here 1st, dope as fuck

[@Blurgert]

Day 70 of asking you to play REAL SOLAR SYSTEM the KERBAL SPACE PROMGRAM 1 Mod

[@chrissugg968]

When talking about NASA's cost to the taxpayer, it's worth noting that the American Military spends more each year on just _air conditioning_ than NASA's entire budget.

[@HarryKaemerle]

1:56 to ensure Booster 12 avoids the same fate as SN15, I'll message SpaceX suggesting moving B12 to a museum (likely Space Center Houston)

[@light1haven]

Boeing is proof that allowing Mega corporations and monopoly allow massive company failure

[@Blurgert]

Day 72 of asking you to play REAL SOLAR SYSTEM the KERBAL SPACE PROMGRAM 1 Mod

[@awilliams1701]

uggg SLS is another rocket that shouldn't exist.

[@notarobot7620]

Ehh, debatable. It's a solid design by normal standards, but it just gets compared to Starship a lot, which isn't really fair. One is designed from the ground up to be a massive, cheap LEO hauler, the other is optimized for moon missions. And it is pretty necessary for the Artemis program, since Orion is the only thing in the world right now with a heat shield capable of lunar returns. Starship could maybe? do it in the future, but it would need a massive heat shield uprating that might not be possible with ceramic tiles. That being said though, it would probably be possible to design an Artemis architecture where Orion gets launched to LEO, docks with HLS, and then uses HLS to transfer to the moon. Problem is, Orion with the ESM weighs something like 30 metric tons. We don't actually have a launch vehicle that could heft that into orbit, short of SLS. Vulcan might be able to do it at a pinch, but it's not crew rated and probably never will be. Falcon heavy doesn't (as far as I know) have the structural strength to carry a payload that massive, and also isn't crew rated. So yeah, unless you want to design an entirely new crew capsule capable of lunar re-entry, SLS is what we've got.

[@awilliams1701]

@@notarobot7620 if SLS was cheap it would make sense, but it's not. It's 4 billion per launch. It's not going to get any cheaper. Just from money alone I don't think we need it. There is no reason why starship and or new glenn couldnt' do everything needed.

[@notarobot7620]

@@awilliams1701 Looking at Starship, I don't see how you stick a capsule on it without completely changing the design. Maybe slice the fairing off the top and mount an Orion... but at that point the redesign would be as expensive as flying a few SLS. New Glenn is... well it doesn't even exist yet, and Blue Origin are not exactly famous for doing things fast. By the time you've developed, tested, and crew-rated New Glenn, Artemis would have been delayed several years. I would not bank the entire Artemis program on the company responsible for the "where are my engines, Jeff" meme. Yeah, SLS is horribly expensive, but at the moment we don't have an alternative. Also, bear in mind that it's been in development for a while, and that when it was initially conceived Starship was still a few CGI renders. In the long run, I wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX either try beefing up Dragon's heatshield to do lunar reentries or maybe some shenanigans with Starship, if they have the mass budget for it. But I'm far from an expert, so take all this with a pinch of salt.

[@jantjarks7946]

The Senate Laundry System does exactly what it has been designed to do. 😉

[@notarobot7620]

@@awilliams1701 I don't see how you mount a capsule on Starship without changing the entire design, and it still has the problem of being unable to handle reentry. New Glenn is... well it doesn't even exist yet, and I wouldn't bank the Artemis program on a company with Blue Origin's timelines. "Where are my engines Jeff" is a meme for a reason. Though, looking into it, it seems like Dragon was initially designed to be capable of lunar re-entries with some modifications, so there might be a world where you launch a crew dragon on a falcon 9, dock it to HLS, have that perform TLI, and then use the dragon as a re-entry capsule. You might be able to cram Dragon's theoretical 7 crew in as well, because you could use HLS for living space. Dragon would probably need to undock and stay in lunar orbit while you land, but that isn't a massive problem. Ultimately though, SpaceX is just not very interested in the moon, for some reason. They're making HLS because they already had Starship in the works anyway, but they seem to be primarily focused on Mars.

[@terracub]

Will they fooled you because they're just going to use accounting tricks to get them the money

[@imaginary_friend7300]

..?

[@R-BGamingUK]

RAKETE

[@siphotheguy1870]

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[@yahwey12001]

scrap

[@JustFamilyPlaytime]

A brief reminder - according to Elon's original timeline Starship should have demonstrated an uncrewed lunar landing in Q1 of 2024. Not be struggling to make LEO.

[@jantjarks7946]

Elon time. Nothing new with that.

[@lordgarion514]

Yeah, he's a bit optimistic, he's also doing things 10 times faster than everyone else. And he's doing 10 times more than everyone else.... Combined

[@imaginary_friend7300]

To be fair, it's not like the rest of the artemis program is doing any better when it comes to timelines.

[@b0bTheGreat-real]

29 seconds and only 2 views? You’ve fallen off

[@BobaPhettamine]

takes youtube minutes to update views properly that many people click on at the same time lol

[@TheGhungFu]

Kidd of sucks. No longer a SpaceX fan. Elon went over to the dark side and screwed that up.. He should have stuck to rockets and stayed TF out of my life. C-ya! P.S. Unsubscribing from all SpaceX related channels.

[@callmethreeone]

Why be that upset, spacex still has done nothing that hasn't been done before.

[@markcaserta1367]

SpaceX is run by Gwen Shotwell. It is a company whose employees have many views. Elon Musk is the CEO. It is not a political based company.

[@imaginary_friend7300]

Well that's childish. Hate the efforts of a whole company because of one person? That's shameful and yet you're somehow proud of yourself. That's.. defective.

[@TheGhungFu]

@@imaginary_friend7300 It's called CHARACTER. Stand for what you believe no matter what some fool on KZbin thinks. You should try that for a change.

[@TheGhungFu]

@@callmethreeone I never said I was upset. One of us doesn't read BS into other peoples' comments. That would be me.

[@Kerbal_r6]

Firsties

[@Blurgert]

Day 71 of asking you to play REAL SOLAR SYSTEM the KERBAL SPACE PROMGRAM 1 Mod