SpaceX Revealed Landing Starship on Droneship by Legs...

[@1RayGun1]

2024 was a Great year for SpaceX. 2025 is going to be even more Great. Merry Christmas!

[@colonbina1]

I hope so. Merry Christmas

[@ArchToast]

Zero new information in this video. The title evokes the impression SpaceX just revealed how they are going to implement legs on Starship. I watched the whole video, and the only mention of anything coming even close to that is a tweet from Musk, from 2023. Everything else is just a rehash of old stuff. This isn't the first time, this happened to me on this channel. Wasted my time. Unsubscribing.

[@juanignacioayalarico9410]

Me too... unsubscribed.

[@ryanhutton8972]

Wai I the channel I’ve grown to like. This channel just resurfaces old information just for videos

[@Mark-uq6mv]

Yup just more regurgitated old news that we all have seen before , meh

[@stellarfortressnemesis]

This whole channel is just AI generated garbage. It rambles on, gives nothing new, just spams constantly with nothing of value. It's always just speculation or entirely BS.

[@LfKoda]

Unsubbed, channel i made from Tates teachings I guess lol

[@jessicasimplicioreis3824]

Somebody watching??😊😊😊

[@JAGraptor]

I am

[@viarnay]

me

[@cliffmorgan31]

Nope

[@FredDavis-p4r]

Haven't landing legs always been a part of the plan for the upper stage as moon, mars and other missions they will be needed, and they already have them from the suborbital hop tests, they would probably have to be beefed up for orbital entry and re-entry. I don't think super heavy will ever land on a ship unless it was an aircraft carrier.

[@-Chooka]

They should try everything and see what does and doesn't work.

[@colonbina1]

Exactly!!!

[@tomwinston6758]

Going to need legs to land on the moon and mars

[@Ron4885]

👍 true 👍

[@colonbina1]

👍👍👍

[@DrDefore]

Mechazilla could catch a ship every hour ( at least ) a drone ship takes days just to get back to port. Build more mechazillas

[@colonbina1]

👍👍👍

[@shadowlord8580]

Mabey do a dessert landing to simulate a Moon and or Mars landing

[@MrRockydee07]

Landing legs are already in the works for Moon and Mars landing miss ions, and yes, they're be built and tested first ...thanks

[@AstraCarta]

CORRECTION ~8:15: the first UN-CREWED missions to mars in the next 2 years.

[@zarl5238]

No towers on the Moon and no tower on Mars-THATS A FACT JACK. Way too much attention on the booster and catching it and not enough on the Starship that will land on both the Moon and Mars. They should have had landing legs a long time ago-way to go GREAT SPACEX to bring us back to reality.

[@jackdbur]

Moon is 1/5 gravity and Mars is 1/3 gravity 😅!

[@Philly_Willy]

the legs that were used during the original flight test like sn15 are more than adequate for the gravities of The Moon and Mars. Mars's might need a little beefing up but the reentry isn't as bad as Earth's as the gravity and air pressure are way lower. They could also implement falcon style legs for the HLS if the center of mass is a problem as, again, Starship would weigh 1/6 what it would be on Earth.

[@davidgifford8112]

The whole point of the tower catch method is to minimise dry mass. Adding legs would add mass and reduce payload performance. Having a catch tower down range of the launch site could add performance for Super Heavy, perhaps on a drone ship. A Starship can de orbit whenever it is optimal for a return to a launch tower catch. The only obvious exception would a military Starship intended for rapid force delivery would around the world would need landing legs.

[@NumberOneScientist]

......... AS FOR STARSHIP ITSELF......... SOME Starships will HAVE TO HAVE LEGS ......... otherwise a Starship WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LAND on the Moon, MARS, or any other heavenly body ......... SOME Starships for EARTH TO EARTH USE may need LEGS AS WELL to land in rough areas during military or disaster problems .........

[@Thomas-c7o]

The Starship variant that will land on the Moon will need landing legs. Why not incorporate landing legs on all Starships. It may be heavier but Starship will need to burn more propellant anyway to land it on a catch tower.

[@colonbina1]

Exactly

[@markmaugle4599]

There will probably be multiple versions of starship. Each optimized for different goals like landing on the moon or refueling in orbit, etc. Practice for each goal.

[@adamklosterman8960]

Super heavy will never get landing legs. They may develop a sea platform with a Mechazilla on it to catch the booster down range

[@JCWConstruction]

Yes

[@mavi5477]

Hey, why not have landings with legs nearby the the launch pads where it was launched from ? And why not have LAUNCHES from ocean platforms (like they once planned)?

[@AtTheBarn]

I think the greatest challenge of the landing legs is whether you use three or four legs, one or more have to be on the side of the ship with the heat shield so that opens a new "sealed heat shield design issue" as best as I can tell.

[@colonbina1]

I think four legs is better

[@je369]

Landing leg for the time being.❤ 🎉

[@colonbina1]

❤️❤️❤️

[@edwardemanuel5337]

Moon landing leg this is the best one.

[@SolarWindsRider]

The whole point of chopstick catches was to get rid of landing hardware.

[@stevieathome4942]

Starship was designed to land on legs - (ex: first few years of landing on moon or Mars). SpaceX "just revealed" this 5+ years ago.

[@csakamatsu]

I think that all boosters and starships must have legs even with the catching. And landing pads must have moving machinery that catches the booster and starship to easy transport. Drone ships must have catching tower or machinery that catches and secure booster and starship.

[@colonbina1]

Agree

[@PeriliousPaddy]

Where is the reveal? Just rehashed crap with old videos from before musk decided to ditch the legs.

[@favesongslist]

Blessed Christmas and what an exciting New Year 2025 promises to be.

[@colonbina1]

Merry Christmas 🎄🎅

[@JanetFrench-pk8uc]

Intriguing but at the same time wonderful.

[@loctobert9421]

Yes, because legs are necessary for moon and mars, so it has to be worked out, and imo it’s a much more flexible more intuitive solution than the chopsticks.

[@kennethwers]

Put the legs clamps on the recovery ship. Put the cam down clamps on a sliding platform.

[@liamb8379]

They dont need the booster for launches from mars and the moon because of the difference in gravity. So the ship can have legs.

[@richardcorwin1828]

Love those gams!! God Bless and Merry Christmas to all!

[@colonbina1]

🎅🎄❤️

[@terencehoulihan6031]

Absolutely yes

[@colonbina1]

❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@landofstan246]

Landing legs for landing on Earth have to be much more substantial than those needed for landing on the moon or Mars due to the gravity difference.

[@ericandi]

Starship will need landing legs if Space X wants to land on Mars because there won’t be a landing pad with mechzilla arms on the surface of Mars, at least not until there are sufficient materials, infrastructure, and manpower to build a landing pad with mechzilla arms, which could take at least decade after the first manned landing on Mars.

[@StratumPress]

Now I want to see a Starship running around on robot legs.

[@colonbina1]

Haha, great idea. Why not, right?

[@rwesenberg]

An imperial crawler?

[@robertwhittemore]

They could User a old Aircraftcarrier aß a Drohne ship for starship

[@petermcguire8260]

Heat shields and landing legs are almost an aphima to each other. You need legs to go to other planets you need heat shields to come back to Earth.

[@bearlemley]

Speculative video. No such reveal from SpaceX to land Starship on drone ships was demonstrated. But SpaceX will need landing legs at some point to land where there isn’t a launch tower. Artists concept of starship is a bit scary. There is very little ‘level’ ground on the moon, and if a ship with a 25m landing leg stance landed on a 11° slope as did Apollo 15, with a height of 50 - 52 meters and 80 - 100t of cargo way up in the top half, the center of gravity would not be near the raptor engines.

[@jukkisvehkala]

Few ideas: legs could be on the side of the vehicle for stability. They could be on the opposite side of the heatshields if the cargo, human or not, could rotate in the vehicle towards gravity. Vertical landing on earth could be secured with a lasso of wire for example if the landing site is windy. On Mars wind could be a problem too, so a harpoon could come handy. If landing on the side on Mars or moon where gravity isn't so great, the ship could be lifted up with a pulley mechanism of sorts giving it sols (Mars day) of time to finish to reserve energy.

[@colonbina1]

Great ideas

[@geoffsmith82]

They could put catching arms on a Ship. Perhaps they could even have the arms over water, so the flames don't harm the ship.

[@Quvl]

too heavy for a drone ship, you'd need to min max lots of space on probably a cruise liner ship, and somehow make it worth using because it can only bring 1 part of the ship back and only 1, either the booster or the ship

[@pallenking]

could refuel ship or booster on drone ship, and short-hop them back to a tower on land

[@brycestewart3181]

YES, larger platforms GO!

[@BenD3D]

Merry Christmas :)

[@colonbina1]

Have a nice day ☺️

[@Darren4352]

So the question then becomes how much mass is going to be added to starship that will no longer be able to be used for lift to orbit? Obviously, drone ships provide a recovery location away from people so you don't have to worry about any sort of incidental damage to the public that but does that alone justify a change in design, philosophy and operational methodology? Yes, doing the chopstick recovery requires a complex level of precision and there's the infrastructure cost. But most of that is a one-time cost, assuming of course they figure out the flame trench issue. The biggest thing though, is drone ship recoveries are going to impose a limit on speed of turnaround. When you can land your rocket exactly at the location you're going to depart from again, then you can have those turnarounds in the space of a few hours, not so with the drone ship approach.

[@johnbeeck2540]

It is doubtful that the rapidity of turnaround will be impacted by a drone landing due to the sheer number of Starships planned and the ongoing need to manage the reentry damage. Also the ability to land anywhere, not just fixed locations adds flexibility to the mission and flight profile.

[@theamericanjoeshow]

Ya but when there becomes so many drone ships it becomes a seamless cycle of launch, land, recovery, refurbish, relaunch.

[@jackdbur]

​@@theamericanjoeshowJust getting a Starship or booster off a drone ship would be a huge task then you would have to have a private road to move them back to the launch site! 😊

[@Will-eq7uh]

One of the main points is attaching catching points for the catch and whether the heat shield can be removed for that part

[@myfavoritemartian1]

I read from that, the drilling platforms were too restrictive by nature, but drone ships have been a reliable platform and the way to go for the heavier Super Heavy with Starship. Landings only and NO lift offs.

[@lemont64]

Will the FAA and nasa allow space x to catch pple amd previous cargo with the mechazilla arms

[@colonbina1]

I think SpaceX have to catch Ship first

[@okirooju3787]

Depends. Probably not initially. SpaceX need to attain a very high percentage (99.9%) of successful catches before Starship can be in the discussion of crew rating. I guess that's why they want to fly Starship a lot of times - attain and ramp up the number of successful ship catches.

[@BigRedErnest]

They need legs for Mars anyway. they should be incorporated sooner rather than later.

[@jackdbur]

Mars legs only need to hold 1/3 gravity. 😊

[@ArchieKnuckles-i4p]

Yes ,Space x can do it, Fly Safely, straight ,and often. God Speed.

[@Papershields001]

So was there an announcement about landing legs or is this just being pulled out of thin air?

[@johnbeeck2540]

The lunar/Mars lander version will definitely have landing legs.

[@Papershields001]

@ legs made for 1/6th gravity is not the same thing as landing legs for earth. I haven’t seen any public announcement regarding ship landings.

[@pablolorenzo2321]

No, officially no formal announcement, and to your point, though I do subscribe to this channel, it does occasionally engage in what I would call click bait to get views. The discussion is still valid though as a starship version with legs will be needed in some form in the future.

[@XCX237]

Merry Christmas Kevin 🎄🎁 and all the best thru the holidays

[@mikemerlo4156]

It should come down to a large platform for catching both booster and ship in the gulf. Use a ship to transport back to Boca Chica.

[@ZenFoxOfficial]

Why not land in ground

[@donherion377]

Suppose the surface of mars the ships lands on is at a slight angle...at what angle would a starship topple? How can you pick out a specific area that is flat unless you send a mars rover or drone to reconnoiter areas for landings.

[@coupsdestylo]

can they be locked off and used to power cranes/lifts?

[@VisualEcho]

I’m no engineer but would there be an advantage to having the landing pad area be submerged beneath water level, submerged, then raised during engine shut down. Seems that this would simulate the same thing at stage zero with the water deluge.

[@kevinbissett293]

Good Morning, Kev. You probably won't get a chance to read this. You would have a lot to read before you get to this one. But Merry Christmas to you and your team and your family my Friend. You have a Good Name. I appreciate all you and your team does to prepare your reports everyday. Have a Great Day, Kev.

[@colonbina1]

No Kevin, I always read all the comments as soon as possible. And I always read your comments because you are always one of the first person here. Thanks all your support!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@kevinbissett293]

@@colonbina1 Thank You my Friend.

[@rwesenberg]

Are land based landing pads precluded by the trajectories and return to pad fuel requirements?

[@petermcguire8260]

How about skipping the legs and putting on spikes. Long titanium spikes. Then land a little bit hard and push them right down into the Martian soil so it doesn't tip over.

[@esecallum]

land on the skirt plus engines.

[@billsolow2829]

Landing upright on the Moon has an extra advantage when it comes to drilling for water, with only 6 engines on Starship that leaves room for deep drilling equipment between and above the engines. The length of the drill segments would be limited by the fuel tank.

[@kennethhuck4665]

Launching from one place and landing on another. Seems to give them more flexibility and reduce the risk of the program being slowed by an error in a catch that damages mechazilla.

[@carldavies4776]

Wondering what scale a drone ship would need to be to recover starship... does the US have a carrier for sale?

[@colonbina1]

It can be compared to the oil rig, at least

[@Charles-7]

if spacex is planning on having drone landings in the Indian ocean, then the drones will likely need to be escorted by a security vessel within a minimum safe distance, cause you never know if some pirates will steal some drone ships, for some quick buck in the black market.

[@ronwatkins5775]

Im wondering how SpaceX is going to deal with the "Planetary Protection" treaty requirements. Currently, anything landing on Mars is required to be sterile and protected from exposure to Earth germs. Since Starship is out in the open and exposed to the elements how will that work?

[@YourWingManDan]

I always enjoy your shows!! But do you mind answering a question? Why don’t they don’t make astronaut pods that spin around inside Starship? I know the Coriolis effect would be terrible with that small of a radius but not if you’re laying down sleeping. Staying below 18” shouldn’t be bad at all…when you wake up, you could strap to a device on the wall of your pod and do your exercises in 1G before returning to work. If that worked, it would be a heck of a lot more efficient than trying to spin an entire spaceship! Also, is there someone here interested in this idea who could draw it into graphics? Thanks!

[@scottymoondogjakubin4766]

Most likely for moon and mars landings it would require landing legs !

[@colonbina1]

Yeah

[@techpappee]

Unless they plan on somehow building a tower on Mars before the first flight, which isn't possible, it will require something to assist with landing.

[@jackdbur]

1/3 of earth gravity fool.

[@rocroc]

Although legs may be necessary for mars or the moon, they are not necessarily needed for landing on water or even land. There are any number of ways to do it. What they have to worry about is maintaining stability with controlled positioning. You could do that with a landing module that would "grasp" around the rocket and adjusts itself as it closes. In other words stationary legs, the top portion of which would catch the rocket at the attached catching points. You could also use a catching tower. My choice for a tower would actually be two catching towers with "arms" that would close between the rocket. They do not need to be massive and only tall enough to contain the rocket. Even then a control base would have to be used to add stability as the rocket lands.

[@incrediblespacex]

Great. I believe Elon Musk can do it.

[@colonbina1]

Yes, Starship needs legs to land on Moon and Mars

[@johnevans6399]

And what would stop them falling over, the booster is about 4 miles high! Anyway it's all academic, once there is a collision or two involving musk's satellites there will be so much junk up there none of us will be able to see the stars let alone fly into the death zone!! Merry Christmas everyone.

[@colonbina1]

Have a nice day

[@johnmartin484]

The booster is 4 miles high you need more information lol

[@XLessThanZ]

Could Mecha-zilla be the primary landing zone and if there's an abort condition, the drone-ship be the backup landing zone. Right now the ocean is the backup landing zone. 🤔

[@Nolan1410]

Theyre going to need them for the moon, only logical to do it.

[@markl8111]

Starship will need to be able to land both ways. It just makes sense.

[@ChrisBullock1978]

How big would those ships be?

[@SJKLIEVERIK]

Watch till 6 mins. After that he starts to repeat the words again to fill more time..

[@stevecam724]

AI looping

[@Yuzer-rx6xl]

Amazing 😅

[@OldBillOverHill]

Yes.

[@adamsjrt]

I am remembering Scott McCloud's Starduster landing repulsive on a government starbase.

[@adamsjrt]

That is TheSpace Angel's main starship.

[@research903]

Absolutely!

[@grahamwhitehead5629]

its all guess work, very annoying

[@jeffreywood7229]

Since the most challenging and most expensive part of any spacecraft is in launching and landing, why not just build a space station that can dock the Starship in orbit? The plan is already to be refueled in space. Use the same type method as in Startrek where the starship remains in space. Astronauts and supplies get replenished in orbit, at the Space Station and use a Dragon type craft to taxi astronauts and supplies to the new spacestation. Also design a new lander to taxi Astronauts, equipment and supplies to and from a Starship that remains in orbit during a mission to the moon or Mars acts as a freighter between orbiting space stations? Seems to be safer and less expensive way of doing it in the long run.

[@colonbina1]

Thanks for your great suggestion

[@hardymedia]

For moon and mars missions, stage the legs in space then attach the legs in earth orbit.

[@donherion377]

Convert existing ships to platforms rather than start from scratch?

[@raystevens687]

I'm thinking that SpaceX could make some kinda gas shocks that are adjustable so it would help to keep the rocket from tipping over.

[@katrine-pearls]

Having mentioned in regards to using Droneship by legs is exciting. I am looking forward of knowing how they are made out of. THANK U, kev for giving us and I, esp. the continuing ed. Subj: SpaceX and beyond❗️ Loved it💜 ~kat 🤓

[@vrajpateleditorsLLC.]

Yes

[@colonbina1]

Let’s go

[@moronews2582]

landing legs/hydraulic/pneumatic/gsi/open AI......ok now maybe...GO SPACE X

[@clavo3352]

To repeat: At sea landing drone ships are a good idea. Four of the drone ships, connected together, supporting a Venus flytrap type frame, might provide a workable alternative to the on Land Mechazilla chopsticks . This would avoid the need for landing legs. For landing on the Moon or Mars perhaps a Daddy long legs tripod configuration could be made to work. the ship with a drop down straight leg, makes one leg then two legs that are near 3/4 ths the full length of the ship deploy from hinges upon touch down.

[@rjh1945]

Merry Christmas 🎅

[@colonbina1]

🎅🎄

[@FredDavis-p4r]

And happy holidays to Kevin and the team

[@colonbina1]

Thanks for your comment. Have a nice day☺️

[@mrj24811]

About time

[@newtmignott9046]

They should have collaboration with the Mexican western coast, and Morocco with landing platforms;so that all four corners of the globe are set as backup

[@colonbina1]

Why do you think those countries are suitable?

[@theamericanjoeshow]

The starship will need landing legs if they plan on landing on the moon... until a Mechazilla launch tower is built on the moon. Same goes for Mars.

[@rhenry7949]

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

[@theamericanjoeshow]

@rhenry7949 I'll be here all week 🤣

[@THM-b5h]

How would you design and launch a starship zero to the Moon and Mars? Would you have an umbrella cone, and tubes create enough height elevation from the surface of the moon to prevent debris on landing and takeoff? What would Stage 0 starship look like?

[@andrewscultety149]

Wow!

[@SimonBarlow-3Dkiwi]

All opinions should be considered 🎉

[@colonbina1]

Yeah

[@donaldtrammel2475]

Launch, land and reuse!

[@colonbina1]

The successful formula

[@markl8111]

Eventually, the best option would be not landing at all. Dock them in space and create purpose built shuttles and tankers. There needs to be a space station with heavy production and refueling, in space.

[@davidforget6906]

Get a decommissioned aircraft carrier for Starship.

[@thomassisk7669]

Well i would think that demonstrating the starship on uneven ground would be a milestone fire a moon abd mars landing. Those stubby legs used in sn 10 would not work on rough ground

[@tcyclemobilityscooters9129]

Hey Elon why not land on the belly with smaller rocket jet motors?

[@image66media]

What we’ve seen with the Starship program is a significant amount of visible R&D. Instead of creating ONE perfect design and testing to certify, SpaceX is using each launch to test every crazy idea not necessarily as an ultimate solution but for knowledge expansion. But as each test unit so far has been expendable, they aren’t going to be putting any previously proven or highly complex systems on them until test unit recovery and reuse is achieved. The legs are a very expensive and complex component that makes no sense to have on these test articles until it’s time to do so. And SpaceX has already proven the technology and the techniques required to achieve legged landings. The Megazilla arm catch is a new technology that will give an additional recovery/landing option other than what they already have and know how to do. Notice that the Starship landings, at sea, appear to be at the height of a boat deck, not Megazilla.