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@GaryV-p3h2 ай бұрын
Here in the UK it would've cost 3-4 times the price, been 2 hours late & you would probably have to stand up all the way because you couldn't get a seat.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Full refund then
@Clickworker1012 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip I think the full refund is a good incentive but only works with high-speed rail only tricks
@ablam82 ай бұрын
Well, bumpy or not, still better than anything USA has.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
That's not difficult 😔
@Atreas1845Ай бұрын
and UK
@emiliorodenasgonzalez8568Ай бұрын
And England
@whyno71322 күн бұрын
yeah, because we have these things called a-e-r-o-p-l-a-n-e-s. Just need to get rid off the useless TSA ...
@aleksandarbrzic83512 ай бұрын
The pressure on Renfe to offer more capacity must have been enormous in order to do such a stupidity with downgrading the first class and even getting a 2+3 into a European network. I use Renfe often and most of the time, trains are full. Totally full. So, I understand why they did it, but good stuff it is NOT. And is becoming more and more expensive too...
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Exactly 💯
@Blaze6108Ай бұрын
They really need to invest in double-decker trains and also double compositions (two trains forming one by attaching nose-to-nose). Combining the two gave the E4 Shinkansen something like 1600 seats, even without the 2+3 of those trains you'd still get well over 1000 seats per train.
@aleksandarbrzic8351Ай бұрын
@@Blaze6108 From what I could see, on all new stations the platforms are very long and would probably accommodate double compositions easily. I hope they are thinking about that too...
@adrianabad982317 күн бұрын
Apart from single wheel boogie, Talgo trains can adapt to different gauges at high speed, which is not least. Problems give solutions, and with attitude and creativity is best for improvements to come one after another
@NonstopEurotrip16 күн бұрын
I agree. If they weren't bad solutions.
@carlosangelrodriguez97222 ай бұрын
Hola soy de Buenos Aires/Argentina, en mi pais si el tren se atraza y vas a reclamar algo, lo unico que podes recibir es una disculpa, si se te ocurre seguir quejandote una patada en el traste. Esto ultimo vale para todo tipo de trasporte terrestre. Muy bueno el video.
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
😆😆😆
@sakura26462 ай бұрын
I just don't understand why companies deliberately ignore the underlying problems and use short-term 'solutions' that will cause even more problems in the future...
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Amen 🙌🏻
@eurocopter2fred2 ай бұрын
If you were an engineer, you would ask yourself this kind of reasoning: The Talgo System is based on this principle: Thanks to its 30% lower weight compared to a conventional train and less wear, the Talgo technology of self-guided wheels that adapt to the track layout and limit wear, Acronym Talgo: Tren Articulado Ligero (Goicoechea) (Oriol), Light Articulated Train with Self-Guided Wheel by the engineer, designer Alejandro (Goicoechea), financed and developed by José Luis (Oriol) Which ensures a completely flat floor at platform height, as shown in this superb video.
@ljcbvideo2 ай бұрын
Profits today..... problems are someone else's issue in the future.....
@sakura26462 ай бұрын
@@eurocopter2fred Ooh this is very interesting.. I should research more on this topic...
@f.g.94662 ай бұрын
@@eurocopter2fred that's all nice to consider in theory, but in practice it's a noisy bumpy train with poor ride quality, and so many of their trains are known for having issues. So as much as you're fascinated as an engineer, for the users it's a poor experience. I won't blame Talgo for the seating configuration as that's down to the specs given by Renfe.
@ameerali.ouarda10 сағат бұрын
Can’t wait to get on one of these as I love rollercoasters 🎢
@kaekae40102 ай бұрын
The Chamartín station is going to change a lot, they are going to bury the entire track beach, they are going to build a giant park on it, and the entire station is going to change completely. It is one of the largest megaprojects of this type in Europe. As for the train, think that it is the first version of something completely new. Talgo has apparently had many problems with this new composition. Give them time. It is not easy to make a train with variable gauge change and approved for those speeds, etc. There is nothing and no one that can do something like that in the world.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
New? They've been making them for 25 years
@kaekae40102 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip Have you seen the project? Or has your brain basically atrophied a little more from so much vibration? kekw
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
@@kaekae4010 probably that, and too much cava 😆
@SonnyHorrocks2 ай бұрын
Will it be bigger than Atocha?
@derpderpderpityderp88482 ай бұрын
>one of the largest megaprojects of this type in Europe A larger sinkhole than Stuttgart21? That's unpossible!
@lmaome29032 ай бұрын
i just don’t get why they named this “AVE” since it’s clearly an Alvia service. 3+2 seatings… what in the world? that’s for Avlo, not AVE… Renfe once again, profit over user. they saw Avlo was doing really good and decided to charge more money naming it AVE, while offering an Avlo experience: renfe clearly wins. not only that, AVE has been always a standard and not iberian gauge service mainly beacuse of that: iberian gauge is used by suburban railway cercanías and they are always late or irregular, making “AVE” iberian gauge service (aka Alvia, but don’t say this out loud) run on delays as well. They really should name that “Alvia low-cost” and wait for the proper construction of standard railways and put good and real AVE trains exclusively on standard gauge. edit: not to mention the trashy seats. the very first AVE trains had second class seats more confortable than first class avril trains. it’s just a downgrade no matter where you see it. i am in favor of making second class a first class so all passengers have the same good quality seats and only one fare, but not viceversa, it’s not fair for any user to make the first class as bad as a second one, cause in that case, the should ‘t be a first class fare, cause you pay more for what? that ain’t no comfort… if there’s a downgrade in first class, prices should be the same as second class. i think avril is just a moneymaker for renfe. but i guess consequences are starting to arise gradually… (an avril got stuck in a tunnel for 2 hours without electricity nor ventilation and passengers started to break the windows with the emergency hammers so they could ventilate the inside… it’s surreal)
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Amen 🙌🏻
@Muzakman37Ай бұрын
Galicia's in the North *West* of the country, Nonstop Eurotrip (01:26)
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
😆
@nagasako7Ай бұрын
If I had to do design change. Get ride of Cafe and turn 3x2 seats to 2x2 larger seats 😅
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
Absolutely 💯😁
@johnhaynes7102 ай бұрын
The challenge for Spain was either they convert to standard gauge or find a way to convert the wheels if they wanted trains to run outside Spain. The talgo ran from Paris to Barcelona for many years with gauge changing at the boarder. They just need to re-invent the gauge changer to handle bo-bo wheel formations which may not be as easy as they would wish.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
No Talgo high-speed train has never run from Paris to Barcelona
@hibuddy14732 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip he's probably mistaking it for the Madrid-Paris route
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
@@hibuddy1473 there also isn't one.
@carmarcam982 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip Not now but there absolutely used to be one. I think it shut down in 2013 or so when the high speed line opened
@miguelfranco96862 ай бұрын
At some time, Talgo 3 coaches run from Barcelona to Milan and Barcelona to Geneva and Zürich. Night service mostly, changing gauge at Portbou
@JackTorr2 ай бұрын
Yewww a new Nonstop Eurotrip video.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Yewwwww bro 💕
@m4ng3lz2 ай бұрын
Love your videos, btw thanks for the subtitles!!
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
No problem 😊
@akoska2 ай бұрын
If Hungary had highspeed trains like this!😭😭😭
@robertab9292 ай бұрын
Hungary is slightly too small for 380 km/h
@kisspete62Ай бұрын
Stop dreaming mate
@kisspete62Ай бұрын
@@robertab929so why can you ride trains with 300km/h in Austria??
@m.g.9151Ай бұрын
As for the title "Europe's worst", let's not forget that the comparison is between high-speed trains. Spain has the densest high-speed network in the world and, therefore, a very high average quality standard. If not, compare it with the average standard of other countries, the United Kingdom, France, Italy, Hungary, Poland or whatever you choose.
@Atreas1845Ай бұрын
United Kingdom doesnt have high-speed trains.
@m.g.9151Ай бұрын
@@Atreas1845 Exactly.
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
Why introduce an inherently bad train though? I dont understand
@javiermedina908025 күн бұрын
@@NonstopEurotriphis Spanish person here who has traveled quite a bit in spain, either on Bus, train, airplane etc. Also studying engineering and a bit of an engineering nerd and railway enthusiast. So here is the explanation, firstly these trains where introduced in both Ave and Avlo services to increase frequency, flexibility and reduce ticket prices, they are faster and can operate at high speeds in both standard and Iberian gauge which most other trains either haven’t or have done so with less capability to the new Avril train sets. Now since they are trying to increase capacity, without overcrowding the railway traffic that happens at a daily basis, making them have a higher seating capacity alowes this without having to drown the tracks in trains, and to achieve this they had to use cheaper seats, since the previous seats available are quite pricy and take up far more space. Another thing I want to clear up, although high speed might have been seen as a “luxury service” in the past and people now a days think that when hearing about AVE, most it not all local people in Spain see it as just an ordinary railway service, there isn’t anything luxurious about it besides the price tag and getting to destination in record time. Back in the day where riding on a talgo train was seen as a “ luxurious thing” now a days it’s seen in the same way as commercial air travel, just another way to get from point A to point B in the shortest time possible. Although it is true that AVE is the flagship service of the Spanish railway network, it is mostly due to the fact that it is a high speed network, not cause it was advertised as an incredibly luxurious experience, perhaps when it first opened in the early 2000s but definitely not nowadays. As for the breakdowns, this is, as wierd as it might sound, a natural occurrence when dealing with new pieces of equipment. Let just state quickly, that these trains are the first ones that taglo has designed and produced locally without the aid of other companies, as such teething issues are only natural to show up, I mean the Renfe series 350 wasn’t exactly the greatest example of reliability when it first entered service, they broke down, needed to the worked on and a few things changed, but now a days there are some of the most reliable high speed trains in service, and mind you Alstorm helped with the power units on those. So considering the fact that these are Talgos first proper attempt at a domestic high speed train, it is actually not that bad. Ive read a few of the articles regarding the breakdown and besides a few exceptions most are what you’d expect from a new piece of equipment. This isn’t to say that some of the points you have brought up aren’t valid, just that perhaps they are not as horrible as you might have expected, and as time goes on some of these might be fixed. Also in my experience the rides are not as bumpy and noisy as you say, maybe it’s just me but I don’t really get bothered that much by it, at least not as much as that of an airplane. I would go on to explain for the main reason for the trains delayed service but Ive rambled long enough.
@defge_cd22 күн бұрын
@@javiermedina9080 This is the take I wanted to see. Up
@srbike2 ай бұрын
Thank you mate for this new video clip review - it is no no for me to be on this train trip though with that bonking experience...🤭
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Fair enough! 🤣
@TrenesdePere2 ай бұрын
It's obvious the 106 in AVE service needs improvement, it's also true this is the only high speed train capable of circulating in high speed in both international & Iberian gauge. I think if Talgo solves the problems, the 106 will be considered as good as the 103 or 112 AVE series. Cheers.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
If they change the seating too...
@fxf47972 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip Los asientos los elige el cliente y no el fabricante. Además, se pueden orientar casi todos en el servicio de la marcha. Y no son en absoluto incómodos.
@MrCyclist2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. Where are the bicycles placed while in "flight"? I need to know since I always travel with my bike.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Only folding bikes are accepted to be stored on luggage racks
@FA-tp3pq2 ай бұрын
Muy buena revisión.
@quicktripper2 ай бұрын
Amazing video!🙂
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😁
@farnazseif64592 күн бұрын
I love the looks of this train, and it's capabilities. However, it's not as good as the older Talgo AVE trains, but im sure they can fix it. This train has a lot of potential and, I hope it'll be of great use. Though what bothers me a lot on Talgo trains is their single axle configuration. Cheaper, but impacts passenger comfort.
@AndreiTupolev2 ай бұрын
"Lack of wheels" would mean they have none at all. "Fewer than you might expect", perhaps
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Nope, a definite deficiency 🙃
@devroombagchus74602 ай бұрын
Thanks! More or less what I experienced. Very noisy and uncomfortable train. The seats are bad and because of the 2 x2 layout in even the « highest » class, I felt even more confined. Luckily, I do not foresee any coming trips to Galicia. Your Spanish was not bad at all. Just two tips. The letter V is never pronounced as it would be in English. Best to turn it into a B. Valladolid is then Bayadolid. Spanish CH is never French CH, but like English CH. As in King Charles. Not the softer SH as in shoot or Olympic swimming in shit. You couldn’t get it easier as an English speaker.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Not quite sure what the language lesson was about 👀
@Olive_ChapАй бұрын
It's really good that Indian Railways decided to build it's own VB EMU trains instead of purchasing talgo coaches.. VB sleeper would be huge success if they increase the track speed to it's design speed & if somehow upgrade track to Semi High speed 220 Km/h capable then would be real value for money..
@NonstopEurotrip26 күн бұрын
I guess we'll find out soon ....
@SWRural-fk2ub2 ай бұрын
The audio provided of the supposedly noisy bumps did not work, as I thought it sounded pretty smooth and also the camera did not shake either. So I just wonder how the narrator got a headache, as it was also not detectable on the broad gauge section either
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
You need your ears and eyes testing 🙏🏻
@jandroniol2 ай бұрын
This train has a gauge change mechanism and it uses it on this route. One of the disadvantages of this system is that it is more difficult to make the train not vibrate, since it is more difficult to mount the complicated damping system. I am not trying to justify Talgo with this, it is simply for informational purposes.
@michaeltb13582 ай бұрын
It seems obvious that the gauge change affects the unsprung weight. Spain needs to make up its mind what gauge they use, or add an extra rail for a dual gauge track where needed.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
But the Alvias and CAFs are way better
@IndaloMan2 ай бұрын
Awaiting the completion of the high speed rail link to Vera in a few years time....
@qwertyuiop1241722 ай бұрын
Beautiful video. Which is high speed train in Europe? And which train did you enjoyed the most in Europe? Which Railcard is valid in Europe for seniors? Thank you
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Use Google to check ✔️
@patoeend81182 ай бұрын
Yes, you can buy a Tarjeta Dorada when get invalid pension. I don't know the percentage. You must have a letter of the doctor with the percentage.
@romatitov41912 ай бұрын
The train looks brutally beautiful. I feel Japanese vibe at some point.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Really? I don't feel that at all
@ivomo_2 ай бұрын
There is currently heavy pressure from the government for Talgo to fix their trains, and it seems like *allegedly*, a big reason for their flaws is that the trainsets have so much new technologies and building techniques that a lot of software is needed to glue them together, and the software seems to be quite lacking. Would you be open to revisit these trainsets in a few years, to compare them?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@rezaalan39912 ай бұрын
Great trip. The current train shape feels like TGV POS, but yeah like other channel, the ride quality is downgrade, and the seat configuration remind me about most affordable economy train in my country, the difference are this isn't bay seating and it's real seat/chair, not padded bench.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
True, but for a new flagship train, it really isn't great!
@ThisWontFly2 ай бұрын
They are supposed to be used for the AVLO low-cost high speed offering from Renfe. But with this botch job, iryo will be more than happy to have Hitachi pump out a couple more ETR1000 and profit from Renfe's fall-out.
@nsb17552 ай бұрын
The bad riding quality might also be intensified by the tracks. Riding the ICE 3 from Cologne to Frankfurt feels like hovering. However, riding on basically the same train (Velaro E) between Madrid and Barcelona feels bumpy.
@f.g.94662 ай бұрын
The track construction is different. In Germany high speed tracks are laid on concrete plates while in Spain ballast is used. That makes some difference. Spain had some issues when they tried running above 300Km/h because the rocks were causing damage to the train.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
I disagree. Ride a Velaro on the Madrid Barcelona line then a Talgo straight after and you'll immediately notice the difference in ride quality
@miguelfranco96862 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip I partially disagree. You notice the track irregularities much more in low-floor units (like whichever by Talgo) than in higher-floor units (like Siemens Velaro or CAF units)
@thomas-xj1hs2 ай бұрын
Thanks, very instructive and helpful for planning. Just a thought... It might be more personal/individual to have the intro with yourself in the picture...like your friend "Superalbs Travel"or Geoff Marshall
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Not my style, but thanks!
@thomas-xj1hs2 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip Oh OK, it was just a thought...
@Porschedude82 ай бұрын
This train does look like a 21 century product. On the positive side, these issues are not so insurmountable. There is technology out there to address most of the problems. Like most new products, there can be a "teething season" until it gets perfected..
@jabberwockytdi89012 ай бұрын
Will be interesting to see how DB get on with their new Talgos , for me the Talgo single axle concept is never going to compare well on ride quality with traditional bogie designs whether articulated or not.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
👀👀👀
@cyphernada68396 күн бұрын
Could you compare it to the Chinese HSR Fuxing CR400AF trains? Have you tried those?
@NonstopEurotrip6 күн бұрын
No comparison kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGbaeGObipiBg5Y
@cyphernada68396 күн бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip Thanks bro! That's what I want
@hibuddy14732 ай бұрын
Las vibraciones son mayoritariamente por las condiciones de las vias, no por los trenes.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
The tracks are brand new 😂
@loloflores1232 ай бұрын
Not in the iberian gauge part, where the bumping is worse.
@SRanade2 ай бұрын
Can you please cover TGV service from Geneva to Paris.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Hopefully soon!
@2912812 ай бұрын
Excelente vídeo
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Gracias 🙏🏻
@WildWildWeasel2 ай бұрын
That first background song slaps though Also love how Renfe just loves to screw their uses over any chance they get to. And then they cry when people prefer to fly or take a bus
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
True true 😊
@AtlanteanAN692 ай бұрын
You travelled to North West Spain, not North East as stated in the video.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
First one to spot the deliberate mistake 😉
@loloflores1232 ай бұрын
3+2 means cheaper tickets. If they are sufficient for a 2-3 hours ride, count me in.
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
Not true. Because the prices are the same on the 2+2 trains on this route
@loloflores123Ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip obviously not for free market reasons. If you transport more people, you can charge less to each of them.
@AndreiTupolev2 ай бұрын
Certainly look a lot better than their duck-like predecessors (and also Velaro and ICE 4, and the new Acela Liberty (and there's one for delays entering service 🙄), but shame they decided to go for the Ryanair configuration in standard class. Still, it's certainly a more balanced review than "WORST TRAIN EVER???!!?!?!"
@jayasuriyas26042 ай бұрын
I love how the duck trains look
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Hey at least they didn't use 3+3 seating 😂
@derpderpderpityderp88482 ай бұрын
Talgo is also known for pendular coaches in North America, especially on Amtrak. And they're definitely not remembered fondly for them either.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
And they're being replaced too ...
@jfmezei2 ай бұрын
The introduction of the Talgo trains on Pacific Northwest increased ridership substantially and were loved. After the derailment where the train behaved better than conventional train, during the public NTSB hearing, politicians demanded these "imported" trains be widthdrawn from service. Because those were modern light trains with modern bogies, they did not fit FRA rules requiring trains be limited heavy 1950s technology and the Talgos were granted an exemption from these. (in a 2018 revision of rules, FRA admitted its rules had prevented the USA from getting modern trains and has since relaxed rules but too late for Talgo). Talgo appealed the decision to require the trains be retired which was not technical and purely political. Currently, the trains are operated with commuter-train quality Horizon coaches (Comets with Amtrak seats) and are very disliked. (The second batch of Talgos were built heavy to FRA standards in the USA but that project went sour when half the order was cancelled by the Wisconsin DOT).
@wasmic5z2 ай бұрын
I don't think that 3+2 seating in itself is all that terrible. It works well in the Shinkansen in Japan, and is perfectly comfortable. Okay, the shinkansen is a little bit wider than the Class 106, but only enough for 3 extra centimeters per person, but I think the Shinkansen have wider hallways too so the seats are really close to the same width. The real problem with the 106 is the shaking and the noise. Also, while the leg space seemed decent in the video, it's not quite as much as in the Shinkansen, which have a lot of leg space to make up for the 3+2 seating layout (and to permit rotating the seats around).
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
It's a combination of everything imo
@DrNagi2 ай бұрын
Heh. All of you train review youtubers posting a video on this train within the same week xD And all of you going north too. Why didn't y'all meet up :D
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
We actually travelled at slightly different times :)
@jdmortega9121Ай бұрын
Spanish trains are very good , RENFE IS not well managed
@NonstopEurotrip29 күн бұрын
Hmmm, debatable 😆
@derpderpderpityderp88482 ай бұрын
It wasn't clear in the video - are the Avril S106s just using dedicated power cars (like Alstom TGVs) or distributed power like Siemens Velaro or Japanese EMUs?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Yes, like all other Talgo EMUs too
@avigdonable2 ай бұрын
The body width of the Talgo Avril is 3200mm and 3-2 seating configuration is comfortable enough. 3-2 seating also used on Russian/Finnish gauge trainsets if bodywidth of 3150-3400 is used. It think it's a good way for the operators to squeeze out the most of it.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
No Finnish intercity or higher-speed trains have 3+2 seating.
@seved66182 ай бұрын
Just to point out: I very much love your details and information about trains and especially the station cities the train stops at… like Zamora there… well well done !😊
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! 👍🏻
@paulpenfold23522 ай бұрын
I like noisy trains. They're more peaceful.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
?
@holidayaviation70782 ай бұрын
The carriage facilities are very user-friendly, but they are far inferior to the comfort of the train. There are still many areas that need improvement. I look forward to having better trains.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Amen 🙌🏻
@trannirwanaАй бұрын
Baru tahu ada bogie yang BISA berubah menyesuaikan lebar rel yang ada ya...
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
Yep!
@jgcondron2 ай бұрын
Distance to Next 4,657km... I'm pretty sure it's also impossible to have only travelled 1km while moving at 302km/h.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@lacanalla692 ай бұрын
Anulador alo expuesto en tu reportaje que cuentan con un vagón silencio , donde el móvil está limitado su uso y se puede dormir , un saludo desde España y añadir que se está estudiando ya la versión futura de este tren para corregir las deficiencias de la marcha y solucionar los ya existentes en el modelo de tren actual , de hecho el gobierno ha protestado oficialmente y pedirá indemnizaciones .. los retrasos horario muchos son debido a la remodelación de la estación de Chamartín madrid , y los asientos es cierto que no son los mejores 😅
@juanmontull85502 ай бұрын
- Just a note: Not all Renfe 106 Series are capable of gauge changing. - I am from Spain and I have to say that the Spanish were very proud of our TAV, however, in the last 3 years it has become a disaster, the Spanish AVE trains were the most punctual in Europe and the trains of the 103, 112 and 130 series give an exceptional service, now the new trains and service is the oposite. - The 106 series has been a setback and monumental failure, we will see how it ends but there are not very good views for the future. - I was against these trains from the beginning and I think the best option would have been what was done with Saudi Arabia, a modernisation of the Talgo 350 or Renfe 112 series.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
I completely agree 💯
@Desi3652 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip There is a French private operator (Kevin speed, the name alone is goofy) that bought a dozen of these trains for operation in the Western part of France. Sounds super promising 🙂...
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
@@Desi365 fun fact- the order is cancelled
@raphael14462 ай бұрын
@@Desi365 isn't it Le Train?
@Desi3652 ай бұрын
@@raphael1446 I think I'm confusing with Le train, yes. That's a very forgettable brand name, LOL.
@MattiBlume2 ай бұрын
5:23 What does the "330 Km/h" on the locomotive mean?
@loloflores1232 ай бұрын
Top certified speed for the train model. Some caveats: it has recently reached 360 km/h experimentaly , but comercially it is limited to 300 km/h.
@MattiBlumeАй бұрын
@@loloflores123 thanks for the explanation. So 380 km/h is just a theory at this moment?
@loloflores123Ай бұрын
@@MattiBlume I guess it has been designed for 380, and it has been tried on commercial rails up to 360. But I am not a specialist, just an amateur on these topics.
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
330 is current approved maximum speed. 380 is design speed
@flox15142 ай бұрын
I want this in TSW5
@drdoomgoat382 ай бұрын
Is the talgo design itself that lends it to give a rougher ride than bogies?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Absolutely yes
@loutube10012 күн бұрын
Train cars with a 3+2 seating arrangement are 25cm wider than cars with a 2+2 seating arrangement. Due to the width, they have to be shorter (therefore more wheels and more noise), allowing them to pass through curves without hitting any poles. This solution allows for more passengers per ride, lower ticket prices but less comfort. I think you have missed this design decision in your conclusion.
@NonstopEurotrip7 күн бұрын
Absolutely not. All things considered it's the worst new high-speed train I can remember
@eshikaudayanawanigasekara2 ай бұрын
Nice ❤️ From 🇱🇰 ❤
@nacho179552 ай бұрын
Para todos los ignorantes que comentan: Los nuevos trenes Talgo 106 tienen los vagones más anchos del mercado, y un interior optimizado para mayor anchura, lo cual permite colocar 5 asientos DE LA MISMA ANCHURA que los 4 en otros trenes. Igualmente se pueden colocar 4 en primera clase CON EL MISMO ESPACIO que los 3 en otros trenes. SOBRE LAS RUEDAS INDEPENDIENTES: Poner dos ruedas en lugar de una es necesario para reducir los vaches y vibraciones en los trenes que tienden a inclinarse en las curvas por la fuerza centrífuga, pero eso no les ocurre a los Talgo. En los trenes que no son Talgo el centro de gravedad está siempre POR ENCIMA de las suspensiones, lo que provoca inclinación hacia fuera. Para compensarlo hay que endurecer las suspensiones o colocar MÁS RUEDAS, que duplican la fuerza de la suspensión. En los trenes Talgo, POR SER TAN BAJOS, las suspensiones se colocan POR ENCIMA O A LA ALTURA del centro de gravedad, lo que ELIMINA la inclinación (o incluso produce inclinación negativa hacia el interior, que se llama pendulación natural). Al eliminar la inclinación por fuerza centrífuga se pueden instalar suspensiones más suaves, eso es por lo que estos trenes son tan confortables, y a velocidades por debajo de 200 parece que no se mueven. LOS TRENES TALGO, CON UN SOLO EJE SON MÁS SUAVES QUE OTROS CON DOS. BASTA YA DE DIFAMAR Y DIFUNDIR MENTIRAS. Lógicamente a 300 a veces hay vibraciones, PASA CON TODOS LOS TRENES DEL MUNDO, Y DEPENDE MÁS DE LAS VÍAS DEL TRAZADO, FUNDAMENTALMENTE.
@Desi3652 ай бұрын
trabajas para Talgo ? :-)
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
So why are Renfe suing Talgo then?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@nacho179552 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotripPor los retrasos en la entrega de los trenes
@cesarchoya69612 ай бұрын
Es grosero empezar defendiendo algo cuando se empieza “para todos lis ignorantes” esto es KZbin y cada uno da su opinión. Este canal es bastante respetuoso en su opinión. Muchos son de fuera de España y siempre hay diferencias culturales. Talgo está trabajando en una revisión del Avril, y tiene futuros contratos con compañías francesas, que no le gustaría perder. La mayoría de opiniones son desde la perspectiva que se espera un producto con el mejor standard. Se entiende que las vías que se construyen también tienen unos estándares en toda Europa. Si no es así hay algo que no esta bien aquí. El problema no solo sería Talgo sino Adif también. Todos los amantes del ferrocarril desearían que el producto Talgo Avril estuviera al nivel, no importa toda la mercadotecnia que hay detrás de Talgo, si uno se monta y no va confortable, tan simple cómo eso. El Ave en España debe tener el mas alto Standard sea el tren que sea.
@Zuuu402 ай бұрын
Silly question but is gauge the size of the rail?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Yes 👍🏻
@Zuuu402 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip thanks for the reply never knew what it meant great video btw
@normanjack92432 ай бұрын
It's the width between the rails.
@Zuuu402 ай бұрын
@@normanjack9243 thanks never knew that
@fj46952 ай бұрын
Refunds policy have changed recently due to political things, now 50% at 60min delay and 100% at 90min delay
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
That's not what the website says 😂
@ajitskar5862 ай бұрын
At what speed it runs bw Ourense & coruna ?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Varies
@ajitskar5862 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip max 300kmph ?
@quadrubo88652 ай бұрын
I'm waiting for the ICE-L to come to Germany to ride with Talgo. Hope they will ride better than this.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
I wouldn't hold your breath 🙃
@ThisWontFly2 ай бұрын
There's hoping. To begin with, Talgo will only be manufacturing the carriages, which is their business and where they have experience in. It also won't be a rush job through service-worthiness approvals (not since those civil servants from the EBA got manslaughter charges for approving a train with faulty doors that opened mid-journey over a decade ago). This whole class 106 fiasco is a tax-payer funded R&D programme to extend Talgo's business offering and a rush job to get everything into service on a network starved for rolling stock and politicians starved for good-looking ribbon cutting to distract form other things going on right now. Not that DB is not starved for rolling stock, but they don't have the political motivation to rush things like happened here..
@kaekae40102 ай бұрын
The ICE-L uses different cars, and of course with a different running and suspension system. The interior is managed by DB itself.
@xBris2 ай бұрын
Everytime I see a Talgo video, I dread the arrival of the Talgo-ICE version in Germany. WHHYYYYY? WHY??? 😭
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Hmmmmmm
@joseanp90612 ай бұрын
No llevo vistos dos minutos del video y ya me escaman un par de cosas. Eso de que por tener menos ruedas el viaje es menos suave, no se de donde lo han sacado, el concepto es algo menos sencillo que el numero de ejes y la suavidad del viaje, y viene de lejos. Y eso de que la estacion de Chamartin esta en el extraradio, pues no se, eso diria mi primo q vive en Bilbao. Miedo me da seguir p' lante 😢
@XTCyMAN2 ай бұрын
nunca le gusto madrid y habla de la capital con desden...se le nota demasiado,pero como es la ciudad mas importante donde hay mas trenes de alta velocidad en España y de las tops en europa tiene que tragar y salir desde ahi muchas veces...
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Well, everything I said is true.... There's a reason every other train in the world has many more wheels and proper suspension
@joseanp90612 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip No me voy a poner a polemizar pq la verdad no tengo ni ganas ni tiempo. No me mal interpretes pq no soy un heater ni nada que se le parezca. El hecho de que sea un coche el que tenga un eje y el otro vaya colgado sobre el primero, tiene que ver con que la estructura del vagon culega de la suspensión que en estos trenes se encuentra en la parte superior, lo que hace el efecto péndulo y que la caja del tren sufra mínimas oscilaciones en curva, cosa que hace el viaje mcuho más confortable. Los italianos lo quisieron hacer con los pendolinos , pero obligaba a llevar giroscopios en cada bogie, los cuales se averiaban con facilidad y lo convertian en un sistema muy poco fiable. Esa crítica que le haces al hecho de llavar menos ejes, te diría que cada cosa lleva lo que necesita no lo que parrece que puede necesitar, es precisamente la piedra angular de la tecnologia de Talgo. Y en la periferia de Madrid puede que esté Alcobendas, pero Chamartín está al norte de la ciudad, entre Palza Castilla y el complejo de las torres de la antigua ciudad deportiva del club más grande de todos los tiempos, línea 10 del metro de Madrid. Un saludo.
@samtrak12042 ай бұрын
2+2 seating is not first class in Europe and USA. MARC commuters between DC and Baltimore complained about the middle seat on the 3-person bench so the new double deckers went 2+2.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Also agreed!!!! 💯
@olasola10132 ай бұрын
If the train is absolutely wide enough, 2+2 is a feasible option, like the newest SJ-high speed train on this channel. Clearly this train is not wide enough though.
@mabo96362 ай бұрын
I wonder how comes European loading gauge and Japan Shinkansen+Chinese HSR are different@@olasola1013
@ramonl.camblorsevares24312 ай бұрын
@@olasola1013may be the widest train you can find in Europe. It is 30cm wider than regular trains
@ThisWontFly2 ай бұрын
@@olasola1013 Sorry, no. The carriages are wider, but not as wide as an extra seat. DB and DSB decided against it for good reason. Renfe decided to take their low-cost approach and apply it to all fare classes. Add to this that the seats have already been nicknamed "butablas" (portmanteau of "butaca" and "tabla"; seat and board), they're essentially selling off tighter spaced ironing boards as a first class product.
@benklomp46162 ай бұрын
Oh, has A Coruña moved north on the map?
@hermericojimenez26162 ай бұрын
Yes, we just moved the entire 250k city to another location.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Na , just east
@markellis64132 ай бұрын
Are you sure the headache wasn't from the cava? 😂 Surely, the power cars have bogies that can gauge change so why not fit the coaches with them? I know Renfe claim the short length of the carriages enable higher speed running around tighter curves but is it worth it if the ride is so poor? Also high density 3+2 seating is for commuter trains not inter city long distance high speed trains but is it any worse than an economy class airline seat offering?
@MocomaminecraftYTOficial2 ай бұрын
The whole "one wheel between 2 cars" is the main point of Talgo. They quite literally have nothing else apart from that (CAF already does gauge changing trains as well). They are not going to remove it, they´ll just double down on it as always. 3+2 seating is 100% renfe's fault. They are doing their best to make train travel as disgusting as air travel
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Definitely not Mark 😂😂😂😂😂
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Yes the power cars have standard bogies but the low floor design throughout wouldn't be possible with bogies on the passenger coaches
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Amen 🙌🏻
@kaekae40102 ай бұрын
@@MocomaminecraftYTOficial But CAF had many problems in the development of OARIS and in fact abandoned it. The only manufacturer in the world that remains is Talgo, in fact no one presented to the public offer (open to all world builders) except this company, nor CAF. So.. I would like to know what you propose. Without imagining things that do not exist or doing fiction economics :) Let's see if you are going to be an Alstom delegate and we did not find out that there was a technological offer from them. (irony)
@Dipierox2 ай бұрын
I haven't tried this train yet, from what i heard talgo's fleet in Saudi Arabia is quite comfy, maybe it's just the rails in Spain that are rough to ride? French company Le Train has bought a fleet of Talgo Avril, I hope I get the opportunity to try it
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
The Saudigos are definitely the best I've been on
@testplmnb2 ай бұрын
Come to Poland and you will get 25% if your train is 1-2h late or 50% if your train is 2+h late xDDDDDDDDD
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
Poland is a top tier country
@smaragdus-pulvis2 ай бұрын
Will you visit Bangladesh and Dhaka in the future?
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
I will!
@Djsaccess2 ай бұрын
North west of the country, not the north east. (before you release...)
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Deliberate mistakes 😂
@Djsaccess2 ай бұрын
Hey, you did correct it later on by saying "west"....
@pedrorubiotejero_aka_prt2 ай бұрын
I'm going to be frank. I wasn't going to watch this video, but after seeing a comparison between some of the issues of the Talgo Avril and the Top Gear's Caravan Challenge, my curiosity has been piqued
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@miguelmvpt2 ай бұрын
Given they'll likely be making our high-speed trains in Portugal, they have about 10 years to fix those issues, hopefully 😅
@Michaelgoestofrance2 ай бұрын
Fingers crossed CP (or whoever operates the high speed route) takes note and decides on French, German or Italian offerings...
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Eeeeeekkkkk
@f.g.94662 ай бұрын
This raises an even more important question, is Portugal building the new high speed tracks with concrete plates like Germans or with ballast like the Spanish? The issues with ballast are known. The line between Evora and Elvas appears to be ballast from the pictures I've seen, but that wasn't designed for 300Km/h operating speeds. Too many issues with Talgo, I hope a different manufacturer is chosen by the operators.
@Michaelgoestofrance2 ай бұрын
@@f.g.9466 Interesting point. French TGV lines are all ballast, even the more recent ones. I'm guessing ballast is less expensive than concrete slabs initially, tho I guess it costs a lot in maintenance in the long run. Indeed. Talgo would seem to be a bad choice.
@Chopper1532 ай бұрын
Portugal should consult and buy trains from Germany (Velaro). Those trains have good ride quality. Thankfully, in my country, we're buying trains from Japan (E5 shinkansen). And the tracks are fully concrete. So, it'll be very smooth.
@tarkatan9712 ай бұрын
next time in your videos, could you let us know if disabled people get a discount or not? And could you record some train announcements when they come into a station? Please and thank you
@Kot-fj6hc2 ай бұрын
There's Tarjeta Dorada if you have a letter with percentage of disability from the doctor which gives a discount on RENFE services. however if you're a wheelchair user some other providers like Ouigo and Italo give special fares
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
It varies so much you're best to check the website
@vcc05_2 ай бұрын
I’ve ridden an AVRIL from Chamartín to Alicante-Terminal as an alternative since the train I was about to take had a technical problem. I didn’t have any problem on the AVRIL other than the seats being quite uncomfortable…
@vcc05_2 ай бұрын
I’ve only got to say that the train began it’s journey 35 minutes late…
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
So late and uncomfortable. Big problems no?
@vcc05_2 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip the seats weren’t fully equal, and the one I were set was the highest quality there. Other companies’ (OUIGO and IRYO) offer much better seats at their lowest prices
@MiguelGomez-o1k2 ай бұрын
I was directed to this video after watching the Shanghai to Nanjing video. Nothing on the Talgo train measures up to the Fuxing.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct!!!
@santiagogalvez89472 ай бұрын
Mucho mejores los españoles sin tener que esclavizar a miles de personas en su construcción.
@DJ197612 ай бұрын
looks like Indonesia Whoosh is better in term of comfort
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
Definitely!
@Desi3652 ай бұрын
I also smiled when you mentioned the theoritical 380km/h top speed. 🙂 Can you imagine the vibrations and noise at that speed LOL ???
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
@@Desi365 scary thoughts eh 😂
@jayasuriyas26042 ай бұрын
@@CryingCroc.Max operation speed in china is 350kmph
@kevinellis88692 ай бұрын
Were you mixing up East and West in the commentary?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Deliberate mistake 👀
@theobrattinga5002 ай бұрын
Great video.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@hermenegildoc39332 ай бұрын
Issue is the two tyowsof Gates The Alvias were slower and getting older We need a faster 300 km/h + train that could operate in both gauges
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
I'd have gone to CAF then...
@kaekae40102 ай бұрын
@@NonstopEurotrip What are you talking about? Do you know what you're talking about? CAF did not submit to the public offer because it does not have technology available for those speeds and use lol. They are already having a LOT of problems in Norway for a short-medium distance train. WTF
@Fry_tag2 ай бұрын
Ducking middle seats on a train?!? Why would you do something like that?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Spanish activities
@tonytrumpet19732 ай бұрын
18.15, looks like the site of the massive Talgo crash? Speed difference between your video and footage are a marked difference. Keep up the good work 👍
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
I believe it's at 15:15
@AndreiTupolev2 ай бұрын
15:22Isn't that the infamous spot of the terrible derailment?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Yes 🙌🏻
@ashitkotian2396Ай бұрын
This was tested for India too (not this specific version). I guess it didnt fare well and the railways went for Vande Bharat train sets.
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
It would have been horrific on Indian tracks
@timbounds71902 ай бұрын
Bonking noises from between the carriages? Ooh-er!
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@JonathanButler-zd8qt2 ай бұрын
What do you think of British trains?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Mostly terrible
@ReneLosna14 күн бұрын
Have to say that a slightly bumpy ride is not a reason to complain. What do you expect, a feather and an airship? However I like your review's, but do not get too emotional over nothing.
@NonstopEurotrip7 күн бұрын
I expect new trains and new tracks to have a good ride yes. Like Shinkansen, Fuxing, Siemens, basically anything else.
@robertab9292 ай бұрын
380 km/h capable train running 300 km/h at fastest part of the route. So in fact it is just 300 km/h train :)
@NonstopEurotripАй бұрын
Design speed is 380, as stated in the video
@ZZZzzzap12Ай бұрын
It's listed as a 380 km/h train to help the export market. It's the Spanish tracks and regulations that limit the speed.
@emiliorodenasgonzalez8568Ай бұрын
Spanish tracks..even better than the wooden rotten obes in England..still from the 60,s..imagine this Takgo in the england,s tracks..no comments
@EduSanjuan7772 ай бұрын
I am spanish and a Talgo fan. However I have to say, this train is a DISASTER. And the problem comes from Talgo stopping working with Bombardier, and looking to cut corners both on the new locomotive and on the development of the coaches themselves and offering a ridículously low price on the BID for the new trains that could only be achieved by cutting those corners. The company that made the locomotives has no experience with trains, and these trains are full of software derived problems because they also cut corners developing the control software. On the long run I things they will solve the trains problema but they damage done to the company might end with It being sold as a tecnólogy partner to Magyar wagon and on the long run being made dissapear as a manufacturing name on the trains industry. All because of greed both on the government side and on Talgo side.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Exactly 💯
@kevanhubbard96732 ай бұрын
Isn't the Amtrak Seattle to Portland some kind of Talgo derivative too?
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Yeah, soon to be phased out
@manpochver2 ай бұрын
The 3+2 configuration is terrible, unique in Europe.
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@patoeend81182 ай бұрын
This a problem of the Renfe and isn't a problem of Talgo. There is a design of a Talgo 3 with 3+2 in third Clase!!!!.
@davidzhuleiva2 ай бұрын
At 15:15 you pass through the section where the disastrous derailment of 2013 happened 😬
@NonstopEurotrip2 ай бұрын
Rip 😔
@antabli750202 ай бұрын
Cette version n'a vraiment rien d'extraordinaire, au même titre que le nouveau TGV M, essentiellement dû à un design trop timide. Mais il est vrai que cela fait plusieurs décennies que l'Europe possède des trains à grande vitesse, c'est totalement rentré dans les moeurs des populations aujourd'hui