Spanish Compared to Palenquero and Papiamento, Two Spanish Based Creoles and Romance Languages

[@rwolff01]

Hi, as a papiamento speaker from Aruba, I want to say thank you for the video about our language. It is indeed 80% portuguese/spanish based, more portuguese. And started as a lingua franca from the region you mentioned. In cabo verde they also speak this creole based language. Ours has more dutch and english influences. Palenquero has that ppmento flow, but i couldn’t understand what the guy said, the cooking video was more understandable indeed. I could understand at a 6

[@ConvoSpeak]

Thank you so much. I am so happy you enjoyed the video, and thanks for sharing your insight on Palenquero. I am happy to showcase your beautiful culture in my channel!

[@juanvm5992]

alguien que me explique porque dicen que la base del papiamento es el portugués, si por ejemplo hablan de amistad no de amizade, si usan el reflexivo después del verbo y no antes como el portugués, si además se usan los diptongos españoles como fiesta y no festa, del portugués.

[@juanvm5992]

alguien que me explique porque dicen que la base del papiamento es el portugués, si por ejemplo hablan de amistad no de amizade, si usan el reflexivo después del verbo y no antes como el portugués, si además se usan los diptongos españoles como fiesta y no festa, del portugués.

[@kevindelemos23]

@juan Vm papiamento tiene origens de português, los esclavos que vieran de Africa hablaban un criolo de portugues. Importante saber tambien que el portugues del siglo 15/16 era muy similar al español.

[@Omouja]

@@juanvm5992 well, in European Portuguese the final 'e' us almost dropped, so in a creole language (sometimes) this is completely dropped, like the word "saudade" in Portuguese torn into "sodad" in Capeverdian Creole, and the word "fiesta" came from Spanish, it's a Spanish influence.p

[@Omouja]

Its correct to say that Papiamento is a Portuguese based Creole with Spanish influence. Papiamento came from Capeverdian Creole, a Portuguese based Creole, and Papiamento means something like talking in old Portuguese.

[@ComingToAfrica]

I'm so glad that this information is taking root. Most people still believe Papiamentu is Spanish based without having a proper historical foundating to make that argument.

[@Noone-uw3mk]

Papiamento comes from papear/bater papo, which is still used in some regions with the meaning of chat or chatter. And yes, it's a Portuguede based Creole, but it has a pretty big Spanish influence.

[@jairson5733]

Papiamento, it's very similar to capverdean creole, a Portuguese based creole,

[@InspireMatrixx]

Papiamento is a Iberian Lexifier Creole, meaning it has origin from Spanish and Portugese it has a long history. Starting in Iberia: portugal/spain. And then to West Africa and then to the Caribbean. Im from Aruba!

[@rosariaarteaga1665]

Papiamento sounds like the Capeverdean crioulo which is an archaic form of Portuguese. The word for speak is papiâ in some of the islands in the Archipelago of Cabo Verde

[@adalas]

Great video, European Portuguese native here. To me, the Palanquero sounds a lot to Costeño mixed with a lot of African sounds and words. As for the Papiamento, I thought it was Cape Verdian creole in the first seconds. The sounds and cadence are typically European Portuguese.

[@acswellness]

Sounds like the story of the Maroons in Jamaica and Suriname. You can here the Dutch twang in the Papiamemto

[@artesiningart4961]

In the Filipino national language of the Philippines, "palengke" which came from the place "Palenque" in Mexico, became a Filipino word that means "market". On the other hand, another Filipino word "palengkero" or "palengkera", which were derived from "palengke" (market), means "market person", "market goer", or a "person who goes to the market", but it later on became a pejorative word that connotes a person who is ill-mannered, tactless, loud, crude, loudmouth, crude, boorish, or uncouth, and who always looks for a fight and who likes to engage or start a quarrel. This pejorative meaning came from the idea that market goers or a market person commonly have those qualities and characteristics that I mentioned above. In the other languages of the Philippines that I knew and also in the Filipino national language too, the other terms or words for a "market" are: merkado, mercado, tiyangge, or tiangue.

[@ConvoSpeak]

Very interesting. In Colombia, Paleques are the places where runaway slaves setttled

[@ejmobiel]

Indeed Papiamentu is a Portuguese and Spanish based creole. It's a Ibero-Romance language

[@ConvoSpeak]

That's a great way to define it!

[@hermicruz9937]

It's not an Ibero-Romance language, as it has African Grammar in it. If that were true, then Creole from Cape Verde would also be a Romance language, which it is not.

[@juwenarmando5760]

@@hermicruz9937 it is an Ibero-Romance (Creole) language.

[@ComingToAfrica]

Ibero-Romance is a very broad term. Most scholars nowadays are distancing themselves from that coincidental term. It's actually Portuguese based (lexicon) with Spanish influences on top. I, myself define it as an African language with Portuguese vocabulary.

[@philiprobinson5647]

Thank you, this was a fascinating video! I'm studying Papiamento for an upcoming trip to Curaçao. My Spanish is fairly good so Papiamento seems pretty easy to pick up so far! I didn't know about Palenque before and that has a very interesting history behind it (and it's cool that singing is used to communicate!)

[@CuracaoSteve]

I'm from Curacao speaking Papiamentu - thanks for including Papiamentu! It was nice to know about Palenquero and the history behind it, but mentioning Colombia, what about the Creole language spoken in San Andres are there any similarities?

[@theblackryvius6613]

I believe that that creole is actually descended from Jamaican Patois

[@jusblaze9066]

Papiamento is also spoken in the island 🏝️ of St.Maarten which is Dutch & French.

[@jonathanramada2559]

Hello from Aruba nice video. Papiamento ta un dushi lenguage

[@ConvoSpeak]

Thanks and welcome

[@mrlentien5333]

@Rhaicool10 ken a puntra bo

[@gerigoeloe165]

Since I live on Curacao my language is a mix of Spanish and Portuguese just so you guys now

[@KSHooi]

It is very easy for papiamentu speaking persons to learn other language as well. Most ( if not all) people of the ABC-islands speak Papiamentu, Dutch, English and Spanish fluently. And at school some are thought French or German as well.

[@jamaicaboss3607]

Papiamento is a Portuguese-spanish based creole with dutch, African, German, french, English and native American influence

[@ConvoSpeak]

Thanks for the tip. Can you give us more info? Thanks for watching. Don’t forget to subscribe.

[@KSHooi]

I can confirm the above!

[@oidualclaudi0]

Papiamento is more similar to Spanish than French I would give Papiamento a 8 or 9 I’m from Mexico

[@HiimIny]

whoa!!! holy hell!!! I'm also from Colombia, and I never new the story of palenquero!!! you're right, yes, i was not teache'd this in school!

[@richardjohnson3504]

They speak creole Spanish in Palenquero. In Colombia 🇨🇴. Can you understand Palenquero being from Colombia 🇨🇴?

[@Dontae_777]

Glad you can understand us in curaçao 🇨🇼

[@karri2819]

Really interesting video. I never knew about Spanish Creoles before. Have you ever met someone who spoke either of the languages?

[@ConvoSpeak]

I have not actually, but I really want to! THey are beautiful languages and we barely hear about Palenquero in Colombia

[@tiffanyg3584]

I use a language learning app called iTalki and while trying to learn Spanish I linked up with a woman who now lives in Medellin but is a Palanquera we switch between her native languages Spanish and Palanquero and my native languages English and Patois (Jamaican Creole).

[@Otrebor0707]

Yes, but Spanish creole spoken in Philippines. I was outside of museum in Philadelphia & overheard a couple speaking Chabacano.

[@juliusbautista4803]

Why not do a Chavacano, Papiameno, Palenquero, Kristang and Chamorro language. Chamorro is spoken in Guam, it has lots of Spanish derived words, while Kristang or Papia Kristang is a Portuguese based creole of Malaysia! Please sir! Buenos días!

[@hermicruz9937]

Papia Kristang is similar to Creole from Cape Verde

[@zalor10]

Podrias hacer un cuadro comparativo de las conjugaciones de los verbos de papiamente y palenquero?? 🙏🙏 Eso siempre ayuda a la hora de aprender un idioma. 🙏🙏🙏

[@ConvoSpeak]

Suena bien. Voy a ver que informacion encuentro

[@ximenavilla5134]

@@ConvoSpeak quisiera saber el modo subjuntivo y el condicional en papiamento, pero por favor la explicación en castellano

[@nitsrah]

It is latin based and mostly Portuguese influenced language. For example Curacao is Portuguese for heart. In Spanish it is Curazon. It is not really Spanish based . It is like the language in Cape verde. You may understand a word because of its latin base. Tur cos ta bon. All is well.

[@Omouja]

I agree with you, but just a correction: Curacao came from "Curação" in Portuguese, and this doesn't mean heart, this mean "healing", heart in Portuguese is "Coração".

[@nitsrah]

@@Omouja well thanks for exact punctuation marks and exact meanings in Portuguese. We have a different spelling but it means heart.

[@dialmightyspartangod6717]

@@Omouja Aruba spells things how they sound. So it’s still correct heart I Portuguese is coração which is legit the name of the country. Aruba they use a U instead of O, like how us Portuguese speakers pronounce words that end in O as a U.

[@sairnapdra6996]

El Papiamento me sonó similar al Gallego, y pude entender un poco más que el Palenquero. ¡Viva San Basilio de Palenque ! ¡Vivan el Papiamento, el Chabacano y el Chamorro!

[@ConvoSpeak]

Que interesante. Gracias por tu opinión. No olvides suscribirte.

[@juwenarmando5760]

The funny thing is there is a bit of Galician influence on the island especially with the “Sh” sound in names 😁

[@bobo1794]

Eu sou de Roumania , eu poy comprender muitos palavras, tambem quero ver mais videos com comparacao de lingua ROMÂNIAN , PORTUGUESE, Spanish! Gracias por tu trabajo!!

[@d.j.7435]

y papiamentu tambe? hahaha como es que hablas portuques en romania/ hahaha kon bini bo ta papia portuges na romania?

[@nitsrah]

Pero nos palabra pa father ta mescos cu esun di Romania. Nos dos ta bisa Tata.

[@hammou1312]

Papiamento is actually more Portuguese-based

[@ConvoSpeak]

And it sounds like that!!!

[@nitsrah]

When I spoke in Spanish class at Instituto Cervantes they said I spoke Spanish with a Portuguese accent. I do not speak Portuguese so it is coming from my Papiamento.

[@Magianbeats]

What was the song you used in the background

[@bendergamer6774]

ey mi perro vengo de reddit, tu video está genial

[@ConvoSpeak]

Super! Gracias me alegra que te guste!

[@ConvoSpeak]

Bienvenido a la comunidad

[@voltronsupremeFood]

Palenquero ismusing spanish and portugues words, for example the cook said fogo 🔥 like in portuguese instead of fuego.

[@voltronsupremeFood]

@ƎVOLUTIONATED You are right, but you are nit picking. My point is that there exist related words in both spanish and Portuguese. If you can speak both it becomes easier to decipher this language. That goes with most latin based languages. More of them under your belt the easier it is to decipher another latin based language.

[@jacoboarca8516]

Lume

[@pedrosalgueiro7680]

I didn't know about Palenquero. Papiamentu is a creole, right, but it's adding more Dutch and Spanish because of the medias. Sorry for my English. I'm Galician.

[@matirei3266]

What kind of medi dutchs have lol. It's just a lil country compared to all the countries that speak spanish and portuguese

[@Arubaanse]

@@matirei3266 The islands Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao (where Papiamento is spoken) are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. That's why Dutch is also the official language of the islands, beside Papiamento.

[@absisfabs873]

Our language chavacano is also a spanish based creole

[@ConvoSpeak]

Yes, tell us more about your language please. Thanks for watching and subscribe for more.

[@luc.7650]

Sounds like the puerto rican/yoruba Spanish mix my family that practices Santeria speak. Interesting

[@broccoli9308]

It's a bit biased if you have the subtitles and the video. It would be interesting to do the same experiment using radio garden, listening to a talk show or the news on a local radio in Curaçao and see how much you can figure out of what they are saying.

[@ConvoSpeak]

It's true. We should try.Thanks for watching. Don't forget to subscribe.

[@MrMikkyn]

If Papiamiento is called a creole of Portuguese, why is English not called a creole of Germanic Anglo Saxon and French?

[@juannon20]

Palenquero, ladino (judeo español), chavacano are so underrated

[@anamariaclarinet]

Is not only from Congolese langages, there were also langages from zones like Senegal, Sierra Leone, Angola...

[@Chelsea-2025]

You should do a video on how much you can understand old Spanish

[@petergeramin7195]

1:20 Papiamento literally means to babble like a baby in Portuguese

[@ntimaBAK_13]

I think Palenquero sounds a lot like Kikongo . Since I am curre learning this language I can recognise the sounds and words

[@Mehki227]

Even I understood a word or two she said, "carne" for one (I don't speak Spanish).

[@marlene97280]

I’m from Martinique so interesting

[@EritajGwadloup]

;)

[@marlene97280]

@@EritajGwadloup 😘

[@PRACins]

hi, try to compare papiamentu with caboverdiano. and maybe there are more places in colombia whre they speak not palanquero but a language closer to papiamento. can you veruify that? please?

[@nitsrah]

The language of Guinea- Bissau has that Afro portuguese , probably in Angola and Cape verde.

[@willinnewhaven3285]

There are ABC islands off of Alaska also. I don't know what language the grizzly bears there speak

[@SamaKaNa]

Compare the three creoles. I wonder if the three of them will understand each other. Papiamento, Palenquero and Zamboangeño.

[@ConvoSpeak]

I would love to do a collab video in which we try to understand each other. I wonder if we can find someone who speaks Palenquero online

[@ejmobiel]

I speak papiamentu and couldn't understand the people speaking palenquero in this video. I could understand 0% of what the younger guy said. Only the spanish words in the cooking video was understandable.

[@kevindelemos23]

@convospeak you so need to do a video with the other afro-portuguese creoles, crioulo from Cabo Verde and Crioulo from Guinea-Bissau. They have many similarites to Papiamento. Each island in Cabo verde has its own Crioulo (there are 10!) The main ones are from Santiago, São Nicolau islands.

[@shaneschambach9930]

The only language that is Spanish is Spanish itself; that is the whole point of assessing separate labels to separate modes of communication.

[@ignatrip]

The language that you call spanish is Castellano, because in Spain there are other languages.

[@wilmergomez2498]

El papiamento a vec s suena muy portugués y q veces suena mucho a español. No se puede decir que es basado en portugués porque tiene también fonética español y palabras claramente española que diferencio del español porque hablo tanto portugués como español.

[@namibianodetombua]

The initial base of Papiamentu was Portuguese. As lingua franca in the slave trade from Costa of Guinea and adjacent areas. Bon dia in Portuguese is Bom dia in Spanish is Buenos dias, if you listen the criolo of Cabo Verde (Portuguese based) you will see how close it is to Papiamentu in many ways. Dushi comes from doce (sweet) as far as I know in Spanish it is dulce. Later on papiamentu start to include Spanish, Dutch, English and other languages. The African people that came to those islands already spoke a Portuguese criolo. That's the reason Portuguese is the start, unfortunately as the slave trade was a very dark period of the European colonialism.

[@scottdavenport5408]

I’m about 80% sure there may be another creole on an island next to Paraguay! Food for thought!

[@ConvoSpeak]

Will research it. Thanks for the tip!

[@scottdavenport5408]

convospeak just done some digging, it’s a Paraguayan native language called ‘Ishir’

[@donlimonesioyt9644]

Paraguay is landlocked it doesn’t have any islands

[@scottdavenport5408]

Must be a region rather than an island. I’m only a beginner in Spanish so may have misheard the content. The language, however is named in the comment above.

[@donlimonesioyt9644]

@@scottdavenport5408 oh ok

[@luisgrade7384]

Papamiento it seems have more portuguese influences

[@ConvoSpeak]

I agree!

[@a.b.m.filpurposes8889]

Hi what do you want to know about our chabacano? because every chabacano has its version depending it's place on its originates!!!

[@ConvoSpeak]

I want to know how different the varieties of Chavacano are and how many are varieties are there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWPLimiqltx5bLc. In this video I looked at Zamboangueño and Caviteño

[@a.b.m.filpurposes8889]

@@ConvoSpeak Chavacano ( Cuidad de Caviteno) yo!!!

[@a.b.m.filpurposes8889]

I will prepare for a video for you

[@sayantydams1046]

🇨🇼🇨🇼🇨🇼🇨🇼🇨🇼

[@richinellbareno5580]

Se swa

[@leebron94]

Get a look on the galician languages😉

[@luelzone7474]

Papiamento suena como Portuñol

[@ximenavilla5134]

Por favor quiero las explicaciones en español, no en inglés, porque no entiendo ni jota

[@ConvoSpeak]

Vamos a ver. Estoy trabajando de mostrar cultura hispanas en EEUU. Pronto haré videos en español y les pondré subtitulos

[@alfredobohorquez2711]

Tienes que escuchar el ladino, eso si que es spanish-based

[@ConvoSpeak]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGWzf2Ssgdd9is0 I did, and I agree with you!

[@manuelmiranda8142]

Ladino es castellano antiguo (fines del siglo XV), más entendible que los dialectos chileno y argentino actuales jajaja

[@jacoboarca8516]

@@manuelmiranda8142 ladino es castellano no español.

[@manuelmiranda8142]

@@jacoboarca8516 Oztiaz tío, es que vosotros habláis otra lengua más evolucionada jajaja. El "español" es un invento reciente de la RAE (1925), la lengua castellana no ha cambiado significativamente en siglos, después del reajuste de sibilantes.

[@jacoboarca8516]

@@manuelmiranda8142 si claro, fíjate si es reciente que el primer lingüista de la lengua, un tal Nebrija, allá por el año 1492, creó el dictionarium etc sermone latino in hispaniensis, para gente con poca cultura significa diccionario y sermón latino en español.

[@miguelmontana4059]

Papiamento is PORTUGUESE based creole....

[@xtc8460]

isnt papiamento portuguese/african creole

[@ejmobiel]

No. It's a Portuguese/Spanish based creole

[@Omouja]

@@ejmobiel it's only a Portuguese based Creole with a lot of Spanish influence. Doesn't exist a creole based in two languages, it's like English, a Germanic language with a lot of Latin influence.

[@ejmobiel]

@@Omouja Mixed or Intertwined languages does exist. Papiamentu is the only Portuguese and Spanish based creole in the world. Most of the time you cannot distinguish which word comes from Spanish or Portuguese.

[@pml8256]

La prosodia de ambos es del español.

[@naquirodriguezdelatorre2958]

Papiamento is Portuguese based not Spanish.

[@DavidJCathers]

Literally (to me) Papiamento sounds like Spanish with a Dutch accent.

[@kornet_85]

Pense que erai peruano

[@ConvoSpeak]

Colombiano! Pero mi papa vivio en Lima por muchos años y lo fui a visitar. Me encanta Peru

[@jefersonbramdao8934]

Base papiamento Português

[@KotrokoranaMavokely]

Your video started out all fallacious and wrong in everything, Papiamento is a Caribbean language derived from Portuguese and Cape Verdean Creole. Stop with fake news and lies, it's not because Papiamento uses Spanish terms that come from Spanish, it doesn't come and never came and there is no such affiliation. Papiamento is Caribbean Portuguese. The Palenquero is a Spanish Creole and the chavacano. Papiamento is from the subfamily of Portuguese languages, simple as that. Don't make videos with wrong information, it's bad for you and your channel.