Spanish Rapiers, Destreza & New Book from Rob Runacres

[@dospulgasenunperro]

I'd love to get more about spanish swordmanship in your channel, Matt Nice video, cheers

[@HoJu1989]

Yes, Destreza is all about binding, controlling and diverting the opponent's blade in order to force an opening for the thrust (or the cut, they can be nastier than they look), so lunges are not really needed. That's why it's recommended to use the grip with two fingers over the guard to give you extra leverage and control. The fingers are sore the first couple of days but you get used to it.

[@KATAKOTO69]

The thing about two fingers over the guard is not what Pacheco recommended in any of his books, or Carranza as far as i can recall. Iguess its from other later authors.

[@Altrantis]

This sounds like my kind of fencing. I hate lunges, they involve too much luck.

[@secutorprimus]

@@Altrantis How's your Spanish fencing journey been going, since this comment?

[@alantello7768]

rapier comes from Spanish word "ropera" which comes from ropa (clothing). so a rapier/ropera is a sword that matches your outfit hence a civilian sword (a sword that is or rather was used in urban life) a decorated sword to accentuate the knight or person who wore it.

[@Orgikan]

Yes, more rapier on SG! And Runacres, on top of it. And the Book of Lessons, on top of it!

[@joaopedroleite3672]

Oh, daddy easton... I've waited for so long for a destreza video!

[@ulflidsman3064]

A little bird whispered that the holder of the other original wanted a lot of money for the illustrations but the Swedish Royal Library did it free of charge. Goooooo Sweden!

Please, you've got to make fight reviews of Alatriste film.

[@joaopedroleite3672]

Please indeed...

[@kirkadrianj]

Absolutely!!!

[@andrewshute9761]

Por favor.

[@ulflidsman3064]

Hear, hear!

[@Shcreamingreen]

Si!

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

I've been obsessed with rapiers & sideswords lately since adding a kindjal to my collection of sabres & backswords. Never used a rapier, but have done foil fencing in the past and have always been interested, but just gravitated towards backswords for some reason.

[@GallopingWalrus]

Oooo, I've been very interested in Destreza for a while now. If only there were teachers for it near me. I'd love to go to Spain one day if only to see some of the head teachers around there.

[@Marcus_563]

Perhaps this will start a new chapter in your life, Matt--rapier fencing.

[@orionmelton3226]

Finally! Some Destreza! I've been dying for this! I've been putting off rapier so I could learn the Spanish tradition, but I couldn't find a source!

[@RobRunacres]

Orion Melton are you looking for English, French of Spanish language for destreza

[@neurosp]

Look for la auténtica destreza and you will find subtitled videos .

[@WeissM89]

I recently finished a series of seminars about the teachings of Spanish military sabre by Merelo and Vendrell. Even though it uses similar footwork and some of the vocabulary, and the master constantly used many analogies between disciplines, students who study Destreza often made many mistakes, like the extension and movement of the arm.

[@FedericoMalagutti]

Uuuuuh! Very interesting, it will probably make its way toward my bookshelf in the next months.

[@Yeknodathon]

Cool interview, thanks for sharing!

[@marcaononymous]

literally, destreza (spanish/portuguese)= dexterity (english).

[@HoJu1989]

Diestro also means right-handed in Spanish, which is ironic because Destreza treatises do insist in encouraging ambidextrous fencing. I'm left-handed, but I regularly train right-handed aswell.

[@liptl9609]

If Dollynho said it must be true

[@kyomademon453]

not only that but spain taught two types of destreza : destreza vulgar which was meant as a way of street/war fighting, you could pay a tercio soldier a few coins and he would teach you some tricks, verdadera destreza was the more noble/duel oriented and is the one that heavily relies on circular motions and geometry

[@dospulgasenunperro]

Diestro also mean skilled

[@kyomademon453]

dospulgasenunperro maybe in old spanish or very formal forms but Diestro in spanish just means right handed

[@SchildwachePotsdam]

Loved this talk, please do more :)

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

One thing I've always been a little confused about is SG once said rapiers are not a battlefield weapon. But in the Maltese Palace armoury there is depictions of knights with rapiers who fought in the great siege. They are mid 16th century and dressed in full plate with a rapier and pretty much every manaquin soldier is depicted like this.

[@kokofan50]

Are you sure they weren’t carrying estocs?

[@scholagladiatoria]

I don't think I have ever said that rapiers were not battlefield weapons. They were definitely carried in a lot of countries as sidearms during military campaigns.

[@RobRunacres]

Ryukey the term 'rapier' is misleading. Saviolo has a very heavy sword that some call a 'war rapier'. Meyer's is akin to a sidesword.. Most sources tend to use the term 'sword'; rapier perhaps has very modern interpretation applied to it

[@xiezicong]

I greatly enjoy Alte Herren's channel, especially the analyses. I just wish there were more frequent uploads

[@RobRunacres]

John we'd like to, but it's down to time and material

[@guille9244]

the translation for destreza in english is ability or skill. The word “rapier” come from the spanish word “espada ropera” (literaly a sword you can wear with the clothes, ropa = clothes or dress), a sword for dress.

[@OverSizedMidgetES]

Love this channel!

[@jorgeguanche5327]

OverSizedMidget spanish spotted!!!! I love it toó. Cat easton is the bozz

[@OverSizedMidgetES]

I was born there lived there for 7 years to dutch parents so my friends never allow me to like Spain xd Jávea! WOOT WOOT

[@MrSam1er]

About rapier, have you watched the french film "Cyrano de Bergerac" ? It has some pretty good (In my opinion) fight scenes, and even a full out battle, from the 30 years war period !

[@SpacePatrollerLaser]

I would like to see some commentary on the Zorro TV show from the late 1950's. The swords like like foils, which asks how Zorro made his famou "z". Also what were the soldiers using? The original stories were set in Spanish Alta California/Mexico in what is now Los Angeles. The show can be found in the Action/Adventure section of Unlce Earl's TV; part of the "solis" website

[@jaimefuentes-acundo6935]

Most New Spanish and early Mexican military soldiers and officers used rapiers, and sables novohispanos, think of it as a mix of French styled Spanish rapiers... ish... Now depending if the sword was used for civilian or military purposes the blades would be switched. Thinner for civilian and heavy and thicker for military combat.

[@nickshelnut6764]

That dagger throw back is probably, to me, a away to gain measure while the dagger is forward, then gaining that extra inch or in measure quickly. Rolling that back shoulder to the rear and twisting gains surprising reach..

[@RobRunacres]

Nick Shelnut the Book of Lessons does describe something similar, but also discusses it with the dagger behind the sword

[@BigZ7337]

Great video, thanks.

[@mallardtheduck406]

I need this book I study Spanish cup hilt rapier and Italian cut-&-Thrust swords.

[@mkreptile999]

Make a historical review of alatriste please

[@agomez7740]

I remember hearing about some dual rapier fighting in verdadera destreza. And looking for it Rob Runacres book of lessons has that on the cover, no idea if it actually covers dual rapiers as a style of fighting though

[@magsdixon4528]

Fantastic, more please.

[@IgnisabriusAccordis]

Yay! Spanish stuff. I love the channel, but Spain isn't often discussed here.

[@levifontaine8186]

That triangular type blade was still actually used on a lot of late Spanish swords, even in the New World.

[@JC-Denton]

Alte Herren, hehe. Now that made me (from Germany, born in '72) smile... :D

[@00Trademark00]

I think the Herren here is meant more in the sense "lords" than "men". Also, 46 is not really old :-)

[@davidbradley6040]

Italian rapier started as a gang weapon,Spanish rapier was a military weapon

[@jordanreeseyre]

A great chat. Also you're editing was good, nice sparing use of the zoom function.

[@benatmitxelena1672]

Great video!!! You make happy a spanish rapierist!!! Cup hilt rules, and pierces!!! I can't hear the name of the spanish blacksmith that Rob talk about. Can you write me the name please.

[@RobRunacres]

Beñat Mitxelena Ferrum Armoury

[@mallardtheduck406]

Rob Runacres Thank You Rob, I was wondering the same thing.

[@JimBCameron]

The form of the lunge makes me think of the 'cat's tale' position of the hands when using the traditional form of kicking in Savate, so maybe a balance thing in context?

[@RobRunacres]

Jimbo Jones I agree

[@xzarcillo]

Awesome,thank you for the vid.

[@Zadreko]

Sorry Matt, but we wanna know more about uf staff with the big knob.

[@thedamnyankee1]

I like that you have hafling Marshals.

[@fattiger6957]

Since the side sword was kind of a transitional weapon between the arming sword and the rapier, how did people fight with it? Did it share techniques with both swords? Was it used like a shorter rapier?

[@RobRunacres]

Fat Tiger it's very dangerous to talk about transitional in sword terms as it can prove a teleology. Cutting swords are used throughout the 'rapier' period. In fact, 'sidesword' is a modern term. Most treatises refer to the weapons simply as 'sword'; in contrast the rapier of Meyer is akin to the 'sidesword' of Dall'Aggochie. These terms have more to do with the victorian obsession with typology than with weapons used.

[@Orgikan]

Is it the instrument, the tune or the playing style that makes an Irish flute different from a classical flute? Not everything you play with an "Irish flute" will be Irish music, and you can play Irish music with a "non-Irish" flute. I think of swords in a similar way: there are cutting and thrusting instruments, and there are styles of using them.

[@ramibairi5562]

Were rapiers ever used from horseback ?! If yes , how effective were they compared to other cavalry swords?

[@aldor9357]

Yes

[@aidansumner8364]

Matt Easton covers this in a video

[@Altrantis]

I imagine they must have had beefier rapiers for that. That is, thicker, more estoc-like, since the use of swords on horseback is a bit more stressful on the material.

[@rogerz9281]

Great video, thank you!

[@seadawg93]

Yay! I am interested in both destreza and saber; perhaps I can learn both! :)

[@MikeBenko]

Sword fighting with Euclidean mathematics...just dafuq.

[@DmncPalm]

Mike Benko Im not sure on how it was started, but makes sense. In those times Euclidean Geometry was passed along the nobility aswell as other information. Im sure it was quite fashionable to say the least.

[@esgrimaxativa5175]

Nice video!!! Can you get us some more exact information on these sort of imperial measurements for a rapier? thanks

[@RobRunacres]

esgrima xativa Many sourrces have them. Certainly Rada provides details, as does Thibault.

[@justsomeguy3931]

I always appreciate your interviews with other pros, it gives me new leads to explore. Consider a copy of this book sold! I want to be proficient with every major type of sword and this looks like a great place to start with rapiers. I think having the dagger back helps hide it from sight a bit to. In your foil and epee video a few posts ago you wondered why they used X shaped blade on the practice weapon that is different from Y shaped blade on the related real weapon. Here where Rob talks about his rapier design that's less like the real weapon but a better practice one, I think is where the answer to your other video's question lies. Thanks as always for what you do.

[@raybellows9851]

Just when I was about to buy Guy Windsor's book on the Italians, a new contender appears.

[@jope4009]

Q: "Who's that running it in France?" A: "Lindybeige."

[@michaellittle226]

Thanks for sharing

[@elbato_OP]

I mean the fact that destreza is interesting to me comes from the fact that no one talks about it in HEMA and it was supposed to be one of the most efficient rapier styles in history.

[@vaannebilim]

It's a matter of war propaganda Spain was the enemy so everything relative with them must be forget

[@RobRunacres]

I would argue it's one of the most well documented and complete. There were furious arguments in Spain about the actual efficiency of noble destreza. It depends on what is defined as efficient: given the attempts to represent various forms of euclidian mathematics, then use, is is geometrically efficient, but there were counter arguments that it was too refined. I should add that non destreza forms were not necessarily less efficient, but that the related treatises themselves could be argued to be themselves less detailed or codified in explanation. So a reflection of pedagogy rather than actual taught mechanics

[@JohnyG29]

Did Fabrice also make that horrid spray thing thats "meant" to make things smell better if you don't clean things properly?

[@viterf9227]

Matt I know you made videos about smallswords but can you make a viedo about spanish smallsword

[@DoktorWeasel]

That book looks nice. I've long dreamed of having something like that done with Mair's book, translated into English and printed as a large Coffee Table Book. It'd be useful as a HEMA reference and I think would also be popular simply as a book of art.

[@chrisrowley135]

Another great vid love it as always 🦁

[@domingopgarcia8391]

Hi, Im new to historic fencing, and I would love to have this book! Unfortunately, I am in Canada, and the American link has run out of print. Anyone know how to get one here?

[@callehammar2743]

Nice!

[@thraxhunter1450]

Apparently there are short Spanish Rapiers that were used on naval vessels.

[@guillermomaita2624]

Not really. Don't confuse rapiers with other swords. A Spanish rapier is a "espada ropera" that was basically any sword that you could wear as complement for your clothes. Sailors used to wear their own kind of "roperas" but not rapiers (rapier is a derivation of the word ropera than in other parts of europe was asociated to what is Spain we call "estoque"). They were more like "alfanjes" (cutlass) or "machetes". Either way poor people usually didn't carry a sword (expensive), nobles, swashbucklers and duelist did. And they nobles used the same sword wherever they were... just for decoration.

[@aldor9357]

You gotta be a natural thruster if you wanna become a good rapierist

[@skykid]

Aldor and the Art of the Shitpost

[@aldor9357]

I love you too

[@kokofan50]

I guess you’re not a rapierist then.

[@TheChiconspiracy]

Were the Spaniards or Italians better thrusters? Who penetrated deeper?

[@lindgrenland]

I think both have their fair share of serial rapierists

[@mogoxd]

Hello by a "diestro" from spain, :)

[@thomasrankin2125]

I could not quite catch what he was saying when describing his rapier. What kind of blade was he using that was "sporty" and who was the armory that produced the swords. Thank you

[@RobRunacres]

The ropera de concha has a sport 7 blade. My preferred rapier, which has a diamond profile, is from Ferrum Armoury.

[@thomasrankin2125]

Rob Runacres thank you

[@robertdator6342]

Off topic, but a question: Matt, can you speak to the issue of edge damage to sword blades? How much damage can one expect to see on a blade that has seen hard combat?

[@KTo288]

So I guess the pictures of dual wielded rapiers are the equivalent of click bait YT thumbnails.

[@RobRunacres]

KTo288 you know, I've been wondering about this. The pictures are expensive and, within their style, expensive. The pics with cloaks are also inaccurate, as they have daggers too... I wonder if they really are art for art's sake, or if they are depicting lessons missing from the text

[@eoagr1780]

What's the name of the governor who used destreza in spanish america?

[@pgandy1]

I must say Pedro de Heredia jumped out at me as I live in Heredia, as though that is of any importance. Actually San Pablo de Barva de Heredia.

[@daefaron]

@Scholagladiatoria Recently in a conversation (regarding a video game fantasy world, but basing armor and weapons off historical RL functions) There was somebody who was basically painting the Rapier as being "The best weapon" one could use. And that a broadsword/longsword/bastard sword wouldn't do anything to plate armor, but a Rapier would be able to. So in regards to armor, from Chain-mail to full plate armor, was the rapier effective at piercing such defenses, or useful in situations where one is facing an armored opponent?

[@scholagladiatoria]

You can use a rapier against an opponent in armour, by targeting areas where there is no armour, or where there are gaps. But it is not at all well equipped to deal with armoured opponents. The best weapons against armour are generally polearms and missles weapons (which are the best weapons in general anyway). But among sidearms, the longsword or arming sword is better equipped to deal with an armoured opponent.

[@eroktartonga4032]

Very nice and informative video Mr Easton. My appreciatitons to the author of the book ,Mr Runacres. It sure looks like an informative book about Latin style sword defence. By the way Mr Runacres look alot like Actor Charles Dance (Game of thrones Tywin Lannister).

[@RobRunacres]

E. Groo Kaplan um, not heard that one. Captain Flint or Dr House is the usual.

[@eroktartonga4032]

Indeed.)

[@HoJu1989]

Mu club follows Rada's treatise, which not many people even in Spain do.

[@sonofangron2969]

Damn - now I *really* regret not turning up this year... :'(

[@Peldrigal]

Wait, sabre with Destreza-inspired principles? I can read Spanish: is there a way to find such manuals?

[@rikremmerswaal2756]

Hi Matt, Could you do a video about where you can get some good training swords? I know the big names like DarkWood an theKnightshop but I really like to know where I can get the rapiers you are holding in this video.

[@RobRunacres]

Rik Remmerswaal one was from Ferrum Armoury, the other is a composite, but the hilt was by Yllart Martinez. I've been considering doing an Alte Herren on training weapons, but if Matt's on this, I'll defer.

[@pompadour_gagarin1723]

So as others said, the double swords picture is just the author(s), showing something cool? I guess it's not worse than Giganti's communication tactic: "-Yeah but Nick, you haven't described the use of the single dagger even though you said it was an important thing to know for the art and personal defense... -Oooh but you see I just wrote a second book about that and more!"

[@Orgikan]

Godinho does describe double sword technique.

[@pompadour_gagarin1723]

Obviously, he wasn't the only one, double swords technique were popular at least in Spain (shame this cursed fool Jehan L'Hermite forgot them...), Italy and France too apparently.

[@mallardtheduck406]

Dear Matt, I couldn't hear what armoury he said made the cup hilt rapier.

[@RobRunacres]

Brian Smith Ferrum Armoury

[@momerathe]

you say treat-EEZ I say treat-EYES lets call the whole thing off ;)

[@Henchman34]

Who is the Mexican governor he mentions was a fighter? I couldn't catch the name.

[@RobRunacres]

Francisco Lórenz de Rada

[@JuanPab521]

www.bibliotecavirtualdeandalucia.es/catalogo/es/consulta/registro.cmd?id=1036955. Pdf Libro de las grandezas de la espada.

[@AdlerMow]

I wish someone enlighten us about Portuguese Destreza. Why are the portuguese far less mentioned than their cousins, the spanish?

[@guillermomaita2624]

Because Spanish soldiers battled all around europe and portuguess no. And they are not cousins but brothers. Remember that under Phillip II (Felipe II)p portugal was part of the Spanish Empire (not Spain) and that is the pick of the spanish Destreza School. The ones that were cousins were the "italians" and there was a a school of "Italian" Destreza... That many people ignores but one of the best books about Destreza is from the italian peninsula (Italy didn't exist at the time). Those schools were in the regions under control of the Spanish Empire.

[@thelonerider5644]

Did I hear right... he's using an epee blade?

[@RobRunacres]

TheLoneRideR not quite. It's a sport 7 blade, which has a shape akin to an épée blade. The reason many use them is that it's flexible, but has a good bind. Diamond shaped blades look the part, but are often too floppy. However, I prefer the use my Ferrum Armoury sword which DOES have a diamond profile.

[@thelonerider5644]

Darn. I built smallsword hilts on two short epee blades, I was hoping I could turn one into a rapier and save some $...

[@virgosintellect]

@@thelonerider5644 cold Steel Smallsword is about the best deal to be had. It can be sharpened to cut if desired. It doesn't flex much.

[@nate_thealbatross]

Where in France? I'm near Lorient so looking for a club.

[@RobRunacres]

Nate Aaron near Nantes in Brittany

[@Altrantis]

Destreza means Dexterity.

[@EliotChildress]

Maaaaatttttt.... why must you always upload when I have errands to run...? Oh well. They can wait.

[@juliusgalik6885]

Would you consider making a video about history/origins of maces?

[@telekevontoloko586]

I'm still waiting (for couple years) for the video about the Hussite flail

[@juliusgalik6885]

It's just a sugestion. ;-)

[@KATAKOTO69]

What kind of accent does Mr Runacres have? I dont think ive heard it before.

[@scholagladiatoria]

I believe that Rob is from Surrey. I'm from London originally.

[@RobRunacres]

Jorg Luc I'm from Northamptonshire, but travelled a lot :)

[@randelldarky3920]

That is more of a Scallop shell.

[@sadp9013]

It look like a flashy move imagine winning a dual with both arms all open

[@vaannebilim]

The dagger was used in defense term primarily called vizcaínas where thick and the blade had stretch marks to lock the sword of the opponent

[@christopherfranklin972]

The pronunciation is not 'distressa' but 'de-stretha'.

[@JonasUllenius]

Nice that you are selling books for others.

[@vedymin1]

War is an art...and this is your paintbrush.

[@virgosintellect]

War is the ultimate obscenity, yet it garners the most of humanities' talented contributions.

[@mikkaelmansbridge5154]

Minute squad Lads.

[@RonOhio]

Eight videos later. . .I see why you say that a rapier is a formidable one on one weapon.

[@LeonFelipeBanegas]

Is not indian destreza its Destreza Indiana and its realted to the Vice Royalty of new spain. hence Indiana or Indian.

[@НазарНазар-в7ю]

Syper zergyt.👏👏😊🗡⛏🏹🛡

[@davidbradley6040]

MARSHA MARSHA MARSHA(L)

[@joegillian314]

Herren is German for muppet? No, wait...herr is sir...so it must be "old guys" in English, or something close to that [alte herren]

[@RobRunacres]

Joe Gillian 'Elderly Men'

[@tarquiniussuperbus21]

I am also very vulgar.

[@wilagaton9627]

There was vulgar destreza? I thought it was just esgrima vulgar. . .