Sparring Thai Dual Swords Versus Spear | HEMA and SE Asian Arts

Another friendly round between me and George. He is not very practiced with the spear since he is mainly a JKD/Kali practitioner but we were having fun just randomly going through weapons the other night. I am doing Krabi-Krabong which is the Thai weapon art. In this case, I have two Thai Dhabs, a traditional symbol of the Thai martial history.

[@rayongman]

I'm Thai and i am a double sword trainer (Budtaisawan style）. the guy in this vdo , his move is great!!! respect!!

[@notfair3581]

i think so ,we should ajust them into the real situation that you can see a various opponent and style ,Never stick to original.

[@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight]

Thank you very much!

[@muayboran6111]

Ancient thai don't use duel swords my man ใช้โล่คับ ดาบไทยโดนแรงกระแทกหลุดจากด้ามเเน่

[@mrrhum3311]

@@muayboran6111 I've always been sceptical of the Thai two-sword system. A sword makes a rather poor off-hand weapon as compared to a shield or a shorter blade. The only other two-sword system I'm aware of is from Iberian vulgar fencing and it seems more like a kind of flashy exercise than a martially-sound system to me. Still, the two-sword krabikrabong is pretty well-established now, so I say go with it! BTW, daap or dap, not dhab.

[@based_prophet]

Not he isn't he just used his feet right anyone can do it u can today if you don't skip around with the same leg forwards creates tomany openings n way tomany counters find the quickest route n when u see it attack in nature but with the speed of lightning n retract as so

[@knight1506]

the guy with duel sword is so good against range disadvantage

[@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight]

Battles are fluid and that is a short spear. I have a video of myself using the same spear in a smaller area, against someone with a blade, for reference kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaq8eYqJaapmjJI Granted, the spear weirder in this video isn't very experienced with the weapon

[@alexbokuto5353]

@@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight in your video spear-fighter is most better than here

[@orenges]

as we ALL SHOULD be

[@alessandrolizzio6338]

Range isn't everything

[@agarlicsorbet6482]

That is just terrifying how dual sword guy charges towards the spear guy once the defense is breached.

[@stefan1977full]

The one with the spear does not know the basic attack by which you reduce the distance instantly. The one with the spear uses only attacks through which the one with the swords can control the distance very easily.

[@alessandrolizzio6338]

The sliding trhust would not do any damage in a real fight (unless you hit the face but its pretty easy to dodge strikes to the head)

[@mpolodz7233]

Respect for the duel sword guy but It seems that the spear guy saw a spear the first time in his life shortly before making this video.

[@celinreyes1983]

I agree, I don't question the skill of the double sword wielder, but the spear guy has poor footwork, and no ability to create openings. At the end of the video, the double sword guy invites an attack with a a wideopen guard. Against a skillful spear wielder,he wouldn't dare.

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

Nice, it doesn't matter if he isn't good with a spear yet, key word being "yet." For everyone who has a problem with the spear user being a noob, think about it properly. Everyone has to start somewhere with a new weapon. If he doesn't fight as a noob he will never become a master. So noobs should be encouraged, we were all noobs once. Plus it also is good for martial artists to fight beginners, because we are all used to fighting other trained people, which is actually unrealistic to do allt he time. Because if you ever do get attacked with a weapon like a machete or sword, it most likely wont be from an experienced master fencer lol. The guy trying to rob your shop most likely isn't an expert, so you should train Vs all different skill level of opponents.

[@matthewsteele5229]

The problem isn’t that he’s a noob, it’s that he’s so much less competent than the swordsman and yet the video is depicting this as spear vs Thai swords. The weapons are being compared and yet the wielders are not equal in skill. It’s an unfair comparison

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

@@matthewsteele5229 Well it's true, we can all see the skill gap between them, so I don't think anybody would take this as a direct fair weapon comparison. We can mostly see this, not everything has to be a fair fight, there's nothing wrong with letting less skilled people use a weapon type and comparing how a better fighter does with a different weapon. I never got the impression they were saying "Look the sword beat the spear, therefore swords are better" I like seeing mismatched fights they tend to be fun to watch and participate in.

[@Number-ze9up]

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[@LanChiaoPeng]

"Professionals are predictable, amateurs are dangerous."

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

@@LanChiaoPeng That's a pretty good saying, where is it from or did you make it up? it's somewhat true, sometimes a beginner can be more difficult to settle in with, as they are wild, with an experienced fighter, they will respect certain threats, where a noob might not be aware of the threat and do something stupid that can cause a double if you dont beware of the noobs wild swings.

[@iansullivan9738]

It took me 30 minutes of searching youtube, but I finally found someone who knows how to fight double sword. Well done.

[@sal_vulcano_maybe6873]

@@Aleks-dg9cx It's this video my guy. I really want to see this guy against an experienced polearm user (no offence to the one in the video)

[@lando1980]

I think this is the only video showing proper niten tech. The cross attack in the begining is superb. Bravo.

[@culturetoronto]

inspiring stuff. gave me a ton of ideas. thank you.

[@robertheisenberg6867]

The Thai dual sword actually came from Mons and used in battle as the back line of the spear men. It because popular because it was anti spearmen weapon and widely use in police force until the end of Martini Henry.

[@NattapolPhorueng]

Tai,Mon is acctually melt of Thai aka Siamese and MON people, Mon is one of Siamese not just only Tai, approx one thousand year live along together i'm not surprised, First Dynasty of Ayudhaya have a Mon blood as well most of traditional of Mon still exist in the Thai royal tradition such the consecrated water "Bhipat Sattaya" is acctually Mon tradition. this tradition appear since tanggo/ayothaya empire an still exist nowadays in Thailand. Mon is acctually people of central of south asia.

[@horizonblack]

There is a solid skill difference between these two fighters.

[@sam12149]

I'm pretty envious of this. My country's sword art is pretty much gone, reduced to theatrical combat and fake masters.

[@epic-zc3oo]

chinese?

[@sam12149]

@@epic-zc3oo cambodian

[@user-cs2xx7ts4h]

Yo, neighbor country guy, I as a Thai ain't have no swords at home. They're quite rare even to our own people.

[@taejo4975]

@@user-cs2xx7ts4h Yep you can only find it in place like Ayutthaya where people like recreating things

[@renchi6989]

Kru Prang and Master Nu (Phitsanu) they both are encycopedia of krabi-krabong but not many people know about them ( may be not with kru prang cause he has big gym in bangkok) Master Nu he teaching in University and he also has KZbin Chanel

[@sheena1521]

This looks so fun.

[@allorigintraining-garagego6820]

This looks like a great sparring drill. Love the training weapons. Did you make them yourself or could you refer a website where you purchased them?

[@smlyblkct]

A pair of 50cm wooden stick would be great. Wrap them with some old clothes or a tire rubber and you ready to go. Make it from scratch 👌

[@joelanajao571]

I think the guy with spear need to practice and learn the advantages of spear against sword

[@di9465]

The spear guy paid for the battle pass while the dual sword guy is a free to play player

[@heirihunziker]

What company can one buy those training swords from? Are they made of nylon or some other synthetic material?

[@californiacombativesclub202]

This is savage dude!

[@liluc3695]

I think dual swords is good against a spear because you can parry and attacl at the same time

[@cypherusuh]

Except an actual spearman could thrust someone on their stomach before they closed in. Even if it got parried, spearman, especially when using sparring weapon, could easily retract it back and pierce it again in very quick succession.

[@dirkauditore8413]

@@cypherusuh Spear fanboy

[@gabrieljohnson161]

If I was the spear guy and this is coming from being a complete noob who hasn’t held one before but would you widen your grip even though your fighting a dual swords user or whatever can’t you use the middle of the spear to block then come around with the back of the spear to disorient them then go in with a thrust straight to the heart? I don’t know the rules so I apologize if I’m wrong here

[@JohnsonPea986]

Like I said, kids are cruel, Jack...and I'm very in touch with my inner child!

[@sibsart2039]

Great job, hard to get in against a spear.

[@JadeBlades098]

After a quick internet search, it seems like the word “Dha/Dhab” just means “Sword”, and comes up with a lot of different weapons. Does anyone know a term specifically for these short blades?

[@shalomcollege6482]

I hope the kid with spear has improved.

[@jasoncashmore-everton3180]

where can i buy a training spear like the one the guy in this video is using?

[@wisono7857]

0:19 how to getting killed in the battlefield : spearman edition

[@bkstol818]

Peacekeeper dudes when "foward+A RT+RB"

[@metalbasher820]

Before criticizing the spearman skill, the biggest problem is his spear is too short for him. Even a novice can beat that dual-wield sword guy. Its not hard to point a spear at someone & utilized a spear length.

[@datyeen]

The problem is the guy using the dual swords is a much better martial artist. He knew exactly how to deal with a novice spearman.

[@metalbasher820]

@@datyeen yeah, dual wield guy is skillful but he wont enter spearman center easily if spearman has longer spear. Spear advantage is its reach, you need to utilize the reach advantage & not letting opponent get too near, just keep on attacking from distance & retreating when opponent try to get near, its not hard but only if he got longer spear

[@gipsymelody1268]

dude dont eat that! :D yeah spear is pretty good but in this case dual wield with the off-hand defense sword is much better! still with a speak you can attack only straight... if the spear would be longer then the swords user would have bigger advantage... i mean only once he need parry the spear and instant win

[@metalbasher820]

@@gipsymelody1268 I will retreat backward & keep on thrusting my spear but not too deep. Spear user will win unless dual wield have chain mail armour or using shield as off-hand. There is a reason why spear is dominant during feudal war

[@gipsymelody1268]

@@metalbasher820 the reason it was cheap and easy to learn… 🧐 There is a reason why swords Still used in the wars… and why professional high educated soldiers used swords!

[@soponsivilai865]

สุดยอดครับ❤

[@ToshiiTheBlack]

That man with the spear is afraid. This is sad.

[@akesubannarat]

what if the sword guy had a bastard sword in one hand and an arming sword in the other?

[@nicholascotardo3795]

someone can explain if what we see about krabi krabong is the real technique or is just something (relative new) for europeans? i explain: i study philipino eskrima, and about krabi i havent seen (never) some studies or tecniques similar to kali(entrance and so on) i always see the same kind of sequence and dance where seems like partners just make a coreography sequence without trying any entrance and so on..

[@suckdijulimasustra524]

What is krabi krabong

[@suckdijulimasustra524]

My father told me that krabong can defeat any kinds of weapon.(krabong made with wood look like batons)

[@officekuroro]

How can the guy properly use his spear on you if you're not wearing any protective gear on your body? All he can safely do is wave it in the guy's face and wait for him to parry it.

[@draugr905]

LEGS!

[@storiesofvalue]

where to buy that mask

[@holyforce7065]

From what i see, the guy with spear can actually puncture his opponent but he always hesitate because it can actually hurt his opponent

[@miketan8190]

Yup. He seems to be hesitating. If the spear point is solid, it would be easy for his opponent to be impaled

[@The_true_Joe_mama]

no, he just isn't a good spearman

[@kronos1794]

The skill gap was obvious and yet it wasn't a complete wash. Give the spear guy a month or 2 and that gap will be even smaller. Spears are just great weapons and when used properly are only really countered by other spears, single handed weapons with a shield, or dedicated range weapons.

[@carltomacruz9138]

Why is the spearman not using the spear like a spear?

[@PushupsandSteps]

Leo vs Shredder in the 1990s film

[@colehancock7567]

Why are the handles on his sword so long?

[@roberttate9821]

Need a better spear man.your advantage is range.so when he advances you need to retreat.

[@jdjgg9398]

Me with my broom at home....

[@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight]

Haha!

[@Sadoruro]

WTF is the spear guy is doing with his spear ? XD "Me got pointy stick, so me going to hit with the other side." "But Bob... ! You're supposed to thrust it in your ennemy !" "Me going to smash it on his face".

[@jankramolis8658]

The guy with swords knows what he is doing, but the other guy with spear is sometimes weird and it's like he is holding it for the first time

[@nightcorehades8092]

This is why Chu Chulainn dies in every f*cking route

[@tonyzein]

Nopeee, Spear guy is a noob, you gotta hide your range boy

[@misterclownman1895]

i mean in sword vs spear, spear always get rekt

[@risingSisyphus]

@@misterclownman1895 You probably couldn't be further from the truth.

[@shalomcollege6482]

@@misterclownman1895 ? I've never lost to a sword nor a great sword buddy want to test you theory?

[@brandonkey181]

@@misterclownman1895 you should refer to Lindybeige's Spear vs Sword video, in which spear dominates sword repetitively

[@shalomcollege6482]

@Yin Lin Every person who dueled me with duel weapons have failed miserably. Except this one indian dude he was something though that day I was using a halbert.

[@gargarbad6047]

the mat reminds me of PS1 graphic

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

That's a pretty short spear.

[@Hinata.Sakaguchi]

If this was a real fight. He was already stabbed multiple times in long range.

[@renchi6989]

The thai sword guy is competition style, no circling the sword like traditional nor footwork. it's good to have this kind of training just to practice your skills and mental condition without focusing on wininng cause we have guns anyway. i my dojo we do light sparring with boken , bo and naginata sometime and it's quite challenging

[@GabesaNinja]

Why not spin the spear when two swords starts coming close? Unless those bulky gloves keeps you from doing it. 😐🤔

[@royalecrafts6252]

now without gloves and actual wooden heavy weapons

[@raideduela]

If the best melee warriors were king of the world, thai would be the number one country

[@mr.q337]

Er.... have you heard of the Roman or the Mongol empire? Their main unit are spear men behind shield wall, and cavalry with bow

[@Ko-yi3kf]

Spear fight look don't kown how to use it

[@EuNycolasRibeiro]

O da lança é um animal. O cara com lança precisa buscar sempre a distância do oponente e manter o oponente a distância. Falta habilidade no camarada da lança.

[@wallacesousuke1433]

Ou ele provavelmente n quer machucar o outro rapaz

[@youtubeadsarecancer785]

double swords practitioner vs pleasant

[@humblebumble1328]

Does he even knew how to playba spear

[@theghosthero6173]

What is HAMA

[@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight]

Historic Asian Martial Arts. I honestly didn't know what else to refer to it as, since it technically isn't HEMA haha

[@theghosthero6173]

@@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight the problem is that HAMA is the official name for historical AFRICAN martial art since like 2 or 3 years, so it's a bit confusing. I honestly don't know how to name east Asian martial art under one acronym.

[@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight]

Hmmm good call. I'll change the title. Maybe I'll Just call it "SE Asian Arts" or something like that

[@TurulHEMA]

@@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight HSEMA?

[@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight]

@@TurulHEMA THe problem is, even if a bunch of us white dudes start using it, the Thai and Vietnamese will just tell us to go fly a kite once they decide to name it for themselves. They are stubborn like that. I don't even bother competing in Asian sword tournaments for that reason. No chance they would let me win. Our training methods are already years ahead of what they are doing in country

[@2DSaiMyoဝါသနာ]

It is not easy to get close to a man with a spear in real fight, I guess

[@kingfighter2635]

0:13

[@nghile1632]

use spear like a sword???

[@roosterfighter2480]

Spear man looks like had no spear skill in right way.

[@wraithwakasamyst4524]

He lucky Sissy ain't Gamaran

[@diegomeringer3953]

you have a spear not a sword

[@hamachi1178]

am gona cry when i see my country martialart user do it like a kid play nooooooo TT

[@user-Doggo101]

The spearman dont knoe how to use a spear. Give that spear to a real shaolin monk

[@TheArmsmanHistoryTravelFight]

I’ll do that when I find one

[@thegoon3088]

The thing is, I've never sparred with a weapon in my entire life and I would do better than the spear user. I at least know for sure that I wouldn't turn my spear around and use it as a blunt wooden sword lmao

[@renchi6989]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYmkpZmVe5asnZY master nu

[@thepracticalsurveyor]

He is no spear fighter …….

[@tulosegaslimalama3487]

Whe u have a spaer is nonsense search the close combat just keep distance and hit

[@cypherusuh]

I can't believe double sword could actually counter spear...

[@metalbasher820]

Nah. Even his spear is too short

[@barebius]

WTF is going on here? Does he even know what a spear is?

[@troglodytezero1697]

It comes down to skill and technique, spear guy 0 skill, daul sword guy lv 1.

[@YesthisisCharlie]

Nub spear. Watch and learn from spear guy at weaponism channel

[@mpolodz7233]

Right! The spear guy at weaponist is a spear DEMON!

[@Daddy_Dani111]

This is not a real VERSUS battle‼️ Both warrior's are untrained‼️Also in the first attack the spearman killed the swordsman, PLAY SLOWMO‼️💯

[@handel1111]

that's why HEMA are only for larping nerds and dungeons and dragons fanbois

[@td3141]

That guy is not good with a spear.

[@ibrahimshokry4084]

The spear man has ZERO SKILL, horrible, teach him how to use it first

[@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique]

Noob spearman

[@SayaBanjet]

The guy with the spear doesnt know how to use that weapon. The other guy know his stuff.