Speed Vs Bufferbloat | SimJC74 R1 Netduma Tutorials

[@alexhernandez49]

Mission accomplished! I didn't even think about checking the results and now I think this will make it easier to find the correct CC settings. Recently I adjust the upload CC but in the test it jumps up to 115ms or 200ms (going red) and back down again. I am not sure what is going on. Thanks for this amigo!

[@simjc74]

Yeh I only stumbled across the results page myself recently; if only earlier. Oh well. It should take a lot of the guess work out now.

[@alexhernandez49]

Exactly! Cheers Sim!

[@snickeas1]

been a long time coming and i been waiting for this for a very long time.....thanks bud for finally uploading it. :)

[@TrayDays113]

same lol

[@simjc74]

I took me a long time to figure out how to get a good setting; one that I trusted and could use for gaming. Also I was going to show like Netduma graphs of 100-0% against download and upload speeds and that just put me off doing it. So much effort. All I needed to do was just tell ya. So much easier. I'm hoping the technique that I developed works for everybody. I want to know if peeps have success. I certainly hope so.

[@TrayDays113]

Thanks Sim really appreciate all the effort you put into your videos and helping the gaming community and especially us Duma users. These tips definitely helped with with a few things I was having problems with and that was definitely trying to figure out an easier way of testing the bufferbloat than doing constant changes in the sliders and the "save profile" also never though about utilizing that feature much other than the default profiles. Thanks!

[@simjc74]

me too. Cannot believe firmware was out back in Feb....

[@simjc74]

You are welcome. Let me know how it goes. Only you guys can tell me if the approach I've come up with helps everyone dial into their optimal setting. Cheers! _Sim_

[@simjc74]

UK Gamers - When I said "Sky" in the video, I meant to say "Virgin Media". Oops

[@dernteck7440]

So what connection type would Sky Fibre come under sim?

[@lkfayz]

simjc74 virgin media is cable to the home, then fibre, just like bt/sky fibre

[@lkfayz]

DERN TECK dsl

[@bharath8607]

How to do this if I'm on mobile data , Android

[@a7legit642]

Good on you mate for sharing with the community

[@simjc74]

Thanks! Soz for the slow reply. No youtube notification. Sweet! OR is another version of lag? LOL

[@o_fubar_o7663]

you're making me wanna try this out and get back on cod, damn you sim... damn you!! great vid as always

[@simjc74]

+andrew brown Thanks Andrew.

[@filipepereira9516]

Ok Sim , Actually I already am doing that....I know this will during awhile...... but very vey thanks for the tips. Cheers, Filipe

[@jacobgreene8064]

Bufferbloat creates jitter, but jitter can be caused by many different factors. thx

[@ripp123m]

This video explains everything I needed thanks I'ma try this current running 85% on both and I got A+ but the detailed on each is what I'm going to alter. Thanks man

[@sncjez]

Blimey thanks Sim i've been always using the gigabit/fiber for my bt infinity congestion control set up no wonder i struggled to get A's now using dsl it all makes sense.

[@simjc74]

+sncjez don't feel bad. It is so easy to think of it as fibre. Now you can find your optimal settings. Woo hoo

[@mk1found]

Great work Sim!!!@!!!

[@simjc74]

Cheers

[@highconsciousness7563]

A very nice video. Bufferbloat is not actually jitter, it's extremely high latency commonly referred to as ping. Although high levels of bufferbloat (which causes latency to become unstable) effects your jitter.

[@lgoalstop8344]

great i was a Little Bit unhappy with my netduma .now i have a constant ping and the game feels Way better.big like

[@simjc74]

Sweet. Great to hear!

[@brandonbursley]

so sim, what about the hyper lane? if your an Xbox one user what's the best advanced settings to use, as hyperlane shows it only prioritizes port 80 there's also which direction to prioritize too, maybe make a video of it?

[@simjc74]

There is only Hyper Traffic, and it is meant to prioritise gaming network packets for the service PSN, XB1 etc. that you select. I talk about it in kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH-lqWaca7GNfMk

[@d3m3tri0]

Thanks a lot for the info. One question. I have the fiber cable connected to the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) and the router (Asus rt-ac86u) connected to the ONT with an ethernet cable. With that configuration, what option should I have to choose to do the dslreports speedtest? Gigabit/Fiber or Cable? Thanks again.

[@simjc74]

I guess this depends on the provider. Do you have to configure your router to dial up a connection, like PPPoE? If you do then i would say DSL. If it is just plug and play, and you get a static IP then I guess it is Fiber. Cable would be for traditional cable TV/internet.

[@d3m3tri0]

Yes I use to connect PPPoE with user and password (I obtain dynamic ip). But I really thought that DSL was just for ADSL connections. In my case, the fiber cable is inside my home and is connected to an ont and the ont to the router.

[@simjc74]

I am fibre to the cabinet (VDSL), and not the premises, and use PPPoE. Thus I run DSL tests. I guess in your case try both DSL and Fibre, and see what kind of loading you get.

[@dumaarmylukasz5408]

Great work mate

[@simjc74]

Cheers buddy! Still beasting away I presume, and even more so now. Oh dear. ;)

[@dumaarmylukasz5408]

not ATM struggling with my BT connection for the last two weeks in went to absolute gobshite

[@simjc74]

DuMA ARMY LukaSZ Oh man, soz to hear that. Hope they go fix it pronto. _Sim_

[@dumaarmylukasz5408]

simjc74 well it doesn't look like it talking to a lot of people that keep saying same things

[@simjc74]

DuMA ARMY LukaSZ oh that so sucks. Any of the duma army of the forum have suggestions of key phrases you need to use to speak to someone who actually understands technical, rather than reading from a script on a screen?

[@RBclanstudios]

Thanks Sim I've the Duma for awhile and finally got it working properly with your settings. Wouldn't it be good if the profiles automatically switched at the times of day to keep a low buffabloat

[@simjc74]

You are welcome. Who knows their next version of the firmware might have some of this built in; anti-jitter, sorta got mentioned in the past. Lets see. At the moment, I hope I've just found one setting that works. Otherwise, off to find some more and add an AM, PM, Evening style profiles.

[@LRogan520]

Nice one Sim,i run mine at 100 ℅on cc on both,for adsl .Bt works ok I have a great round trip of about 8 ms on my tests on 8 pm when it should be loaded,but understand all speeds work differently .

[@simjc74]

Yep different speeds do definitely work differently. I think this is why fibre/vdsl gamers who have switched from ADSL or vice versa via a house move or whatever, really notice the difference in lag.

[@LRogan520]

I agree,i actually love my Adsl ..after Virgin omg that wasn't a good service..great vid keep them coming .Duma is a great product but can be a learning process.

[@simjc74]

Yep traffic shaping and high ping with that ISP so I heard and read, and thus avoided em. Yeh Duma can be a learning process but so worth it once everything is dialed in nice and right.

[@snickeas1]

oh, in your comment you mention that sky is pure fibre, it is not but only available in a select area like york where it is being trialed, otherwise it is the same as bt infinity whichh is fttc. :)

[@simjc74]

I didn't mean it that way; I meant that I said Sky in the video indicating fibre when I mean Virgin.

[@hdbucko1836]

My upload bufferbloat goes into the red area 1000 ma but I still get a A rating lol doesn’t make sense

[@frank1144]

It be better if Netduma had an automatic tuning like my dlink router that all I have to do is input for download, upload speeds speed management and it will automatically adjust for bufferbloat and it is beautiful I always get A+. It's called intelligent QoS feature, called Stream Boost.

[@simjc74]

+frank1144 That will arrive with the DumaOS for the R1. I believe it is called anti spike and or anti jitter.

[@CatnipGawd]

Sim! Thank you for all the knowledge you share. I have a huuuge question for you. I have a modem/router (2 in 1) that hooks up to my cable internet. on 100% up and down, my milliseconds reach 1000! And it is so bad, sometimes dsl reports disables bufferbloat and testing is very scattered with each try. Any advice? Put the R1 in DMZ??? Im excited to have this product, but I am bummed that something is hindering me. My speeds are rated for up to 100mb down and 10mb up. Mind you, I even get almost 50-100ms ping whilst my down is below 10% on the netduma

[@simjc74]

1sec ping at 100%; ouch, but you are not the first to tell me such things. Have you tried pre-emptive and reactive? So here is my suggestion: 1. Settings->Miscellaneous, disable (untick) 'Enable deep packet processing' 2. Congestion Control, click 'Reset Distribution' 3. Congestion Control, Reactive, 99% for both upload and download; run dslreports.com; set to 90%, re-run test, set to 80%, re-run test, ... go down to 30%. Note which one gives you best ping; click on the share results button which gives you graph, with an error bar, i.e. min ping max ping, gives a clearer picture what is going on. 4. Congestion Control, Pre-emptive, 99%. Repeat step 3 using pre-emptive Obviously for steps 3 and 4, make sure you are connected using an ethernet cable, not wifi, and that nobody else is using the internet. If things do not improve, it is most likely your ISP. _Sim_

[@CatnipGawd]

Sim! I took into account the age and the (horrifically slow) characteristics of the laptop into account, plugged into my ps4, accessed the OS through the browser and garnished an A+ under bufferbloat! (sometimes A+ across the board in the morning!) Thank you for the prompt response! I just need to figure out how to get my NAT type back to open-_-

[@simjc74]

Fantastic! W.r.t. to your Open NAT issue on PS4, here is one I prepared earlier. Watch this video, and also read my pinned comment, as it has a load of other tips that help people out (including myself). :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4vWe3dml7WFl7c

[@CatnipGawd]

You are awesome! My setup is gonna be a bit screwy since i have a 2-in-1 modem/router (motorola surfboard) that connects to my ISP line, people say to place it in the DMZ, but I reeeally dont want to do that since my fear is that my payment info could be compromised and such, so I have been reading around for a few days- thank you again Sim! I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day!

[@mstutz2319]

When you limit the bandwidth, should you limit the whole network or just the console/pc? If you just limit the console/pc, could other devices on the network max your connection and create more bufferbloat?

[@simjc74]

When still using high(ish) speeds, limit the entire network, so other devices do not affect your gaming experience. If you only limit your console/PC, then another device if it maxes out your internet will cause lag.

[@mstutz2319]

simjc74 Makes sense, thanks.

[@pedrostokoe1980]

always a thumbs up for sim

[@simjc74]

Cheers Pedro

[@OneTipzy]

I have a bt home hub 5 and my tp link is connected to it I've tried everthing to get an open nat on xbox one please help me? I've tried port triggering and static ip on xbox and have it on dmz nothing

[@simjc74]

Right the BTHH5 is a modem/router. So does that have upnp, port forwarding or DMZ? What are you connecting to your TP-Link? Just your game console? Lets imagine BTHH5 -> TP-Link -> Console and BTHH5 -> rest of home network. What you could do to rule out where the problem is, is put the TP-Link in a DMZ if your BTHH5 supports it. Then if your TP-Link is working, you can try on your tp-link upnp is on and then DMZ, to see if your XB1 gives you an open NAT. If both TP-Link options work, then switch TP-Link back to upnp only and turn off that DMZ. You then know to focus your attention to the BTHH5. Alternatively just so you know, you can get BT OpenReach modems (~£10 last time I looked) for BT infinity on Ebay. It is then just Openreach modem -> TP-Link -> all of home including XB1.

[@xXmuhpacXx]

Hallo SIM....i did everything like in ur vid but sometimes when i change The Settings to for example 60% and 60% it doesnt give me a result on the bufferbloat. Then i cant see the additional Information and dont know if These Settings Could Maybe be good

[@simjc74]

Do you mean the dslreports.com website plays up on you on occassion?

[@xXmuhpacXx]

simjc74 yes on dslreports sometimes it doesnt give me the bufferbloat result

[@simjc74]

very wierd

[@frank1144]

So, do you pick the best BB rating of A+ and the lowest ms to get good gaming? Great video.

[@simjc74]

basically. you want the setting that gives you the most consistent ping for both up and down.

[@frank1144]

Okay, thanks. like always great videos.

[@stoned245]

I have a question on bufferbloat results, hopefully it's not a dumb one . I get an A+ bufferbloat with A quality, but the background has a lot of red (www.dslreports.com/speedtest/9219149), whereas I see most people who get an A+ bufferbloat have a white background and much less wiggle room with that red line (forum.netduma.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-7883-0-98749200-1483813395.png). Does this mean anything or am I just looking too deep into this? haha

[@simjc74]

Just rescued this comment from the spam box. Very interesting. BUT I think in your case the "Idle" having a minimum of 1ms is confusing the dslreports magic code, and it is incorrectly drawing the red region much lower than it should. Normally red starts something like +30ms. Your pings are below 20ms. So I would say you are okay. _Sim_

[@stoned245]

Great thanks! If you have any free time, would you mind taking a look at my thread here on the Duma forum: forum.netduma.com/topic/19939-ping-plotter-showing-over-50-packet-loss-on-r1/. Any input would be much appreciated. Kind of a weird issue I'm having with packet loss to my R1, but I'm getting A+ bufferbloats and low pings while also getting massive packet loss. Very confusing haha

[@stoned245]

Actually found out what the problem is so no need to look at my thread anymore =]

[@mca8782]

Thanks man for the video it helped me a lot

[@filipepereira9516]

Hi Sim, good work out there. See if u can help me. I´m Filipe from Portugal and new in here. Have an issue, I have 2 devices on at same time running games ( my son on the PC and i on PS4), how can i load 2 profiles at same time to take effect on me and my son too. Kind Regards, Filipe

[@simjc74]

Hello Filipe. All you can do, is have both services "enabled" for your PC and PS4. Find the best geo filter for both of your games. It uses the same geofilter and settings. So you cannot have 2 profiles loaded at the same time. If you need different network speeds for PS4 and PC, you will need to use Device Prioritisation. _Sim_

[@spookyreaper1702]

Hey Sim my netduma is giving me a strict nat a yesterday it was moderate n a few days ago it was open . when I connect with another router it's open nat always so do you know what could be the problem with the netduma?

[@simjc74]

Have you rebooted your netduma? Are you doing a manual port forwarding? Have you got upnp enabled? Have you powered off your console (not standby)?

[@spookyreaper1702]

simjc74 how do I reboot? I've power cycled the netduma yes upnp is enabled no manual port forwarding and yea I powered off my console

[@simjc74]

I know BO3 have changed something OR PS4 software changed that it always reports moderate now.

[@spookyreaper1702]

Oh okay. Just that mines says strict now and I have difficulty joining friends but it seemed to work fine in the iw beta

[@simjc74]

PS4 or XB1? You may have to do a manual port forward for port 3074 UDP. For some reason on PS4, BO3 has stopped opening via UDP. Goto options in game; network, and the game tells you what port it could not open. Hope that helps. _Sim_

[@navarodriguez8011]

thanks for the helping video slim I was just wondering when moving the sliders do we have to move them one at a time are both at the same time because I did notice that it does affect the other one when moved to low or to high

[@simjc74]

Yes they do affect each other; the sliding them together technique is just to help quickly find optimal download and upload settings. Generally I expect optimal settings to be a low download and a high upload.

[@navarodriguez8011]

hey slim I've been having a hard time finding a good optimal settings . where I'm having the problem is on the download I can't find a good setting for it I have it on reactive and 44 down 45up but the download will move like crazy sometimes even getting to the red area I don't know what else to try I called my ISP all they made me do was run a speed test I get 66.38 download and 5.84 up and it's cable so if you could give me some help I would appreciate

[@simjc74]

Have you tried it like at 9am in the morning? What about trying pre-emptive to see if it is more stable.

[@navarodriguez8011]

I have tried it at nine like for two hours trying it. another thing is that you know where you set your bandwidth that you get from your ISP I put my up and down that I get which is 66.38 down and 5.84 up but when I go back to look at it it says 100 down and 10 up I don't know why

[@simjc74]

So if you have clicked "Reset Distribution", and have both sliders at 100%, speedtest should give you a good indication of what your max up and down is in reality, i.e. the truth and not what your ISP tells you. Then make sure on the Device Manager page as per the video that the two numbers you entered for upload/download max speeds is tweaked (adjusted by you) so that when you set both sliders to 50% you get a true 50% of the value speedtest tells you. Also make sure you are clicking on the right modem test when doing the bufferbloat test.

[@MeatyFlush1]

Love your videos.

[@simjc74]

Thanks!

[@dopamyth]

only netduma ? with tplink archer c7 is possible please thanks i'm gaming to bf1 and call of

[@simjc74]

Just use my throttling techniques that I show in other videos for TP Link, and use the methodology shown in this video.

[@Danzwain1]

Hay sim On the results/share page on the speed test, the 3bars do i need to keep the graph bars out of the red lines at the top of the graph bars?

[@simjc74]

Ideally one would like to keep the bars below the red region, which is typically 30ms.

[@killerkevo]

i found one with that 20% on the download and 80% on the upload should i make a profile with those settings

[@sanders850]

killerkevo 30-30 gave me the best results

[@michaelstrafford6645]

hi SIM will the Geo flitter work tonight on the netduma on IW beta ? what's your thoughts?

[@simjc74]

+Michael Strafford my guess is that it will be a bit iffy. Approach. Turn off when launching game. Set ping assist to at least 25ms. Then turn on when about to search. But do this all within 2mins of launching game due to the summa anti cheat technology.

[@michaelstrafford6645]

Ok I'll give it a go as you've said. Thanks buddy

[@munka1334]

If upload affects your bullets what does download affect ?

[@simjc74]

Upload => sending your position in the world, and where your bullets are in the world Download => enemy and team mate positions in the world, and where enemy bullets firing at you are in the world; it also affects killcam load times.

[@munka1334]

thank you

[@frank1144]

Are these finals setting good for morning time or do you have different setting for night time? or one setting fits all?

[@simjc74]

So far I've been using these at night, but with dedicated servers having been moved over to infinite warfare already, the game as a whole is not playing very well at the moment. :(

[@frank1144]

okay, thanks.

[@jesussnipes4914]

Nice vid man. Still I'm trying to figure out why you have to fine tune all day to enjoy COD .

[@simjc74]

All about getting the lowest latency (lowest ping) on a consistent basis, especially for your upload, so that your bullet hits against your enemy are registered with the server.

[@jdubb9248]

Hey sim does it matter where you have the device prioritization set to?

[@simjc74]

I tend not to use device prioritisation these days as it seems to give non smooth network connections. I tend to use pre-emptive which works best for me. Easy to find out whether reactive or pre-emptive is best for you, by doing some tests against dslreports.com starting at 90% (both up and down on the global) and going down 10% at a time; see which one gives you the best ratings on average and experiment from there. I have a newer video on it somewhere.

[@murderpfknr8126]

What modem u using?

[@MikaelKKarlsson]

First thanks for an interesting video. I just heard of buffer bloat and was looking for something informative. In my own case, I'm apparently lucky to have a well functioning fiber connection and seemingly a good router. On a 250/100 plan and a TP-Link Archer C8 router with the latest firmware, turning off "NAT Boost" and enabling QoS only served to more or less double the (small) buffer bloat on the download part of DSLReports test from about 25 to 50'ish milliseconds. Could still be worth using QoS if there were several machines running things at the same time. Just not in this ideal case of one router wired to one machine.

[@simjc74]

You have tried using the bandwidth control feature of the TP-Link? If not sure watch this old lag comp video of mine where I step through it. I'm aware TP-Link sometimes refer to this as QoS in their marketting stuff, but QoS and Bandwidth control are two different things. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoqZhJawhLVpmJY

[@filipepereira9516]

Hi Sim Thanks for quick reply It's suck, because PC d ps4 are 2 different worlds, so for best performance only one can play....is that correct? Cheers, Filipe

[@simjc74]

I would say find the best bufferbloat you can. Set your speed to that. Find your best georegion filter as per my video kzbin.info/www/bejne/gojUc4ucgK2NqbM and you should both be able to game at the same time.

[@ReshnRush]

My net is weird, the more I cap the bandwidth and the worse bufferbloat results are. Plus QoS active and my pc prioritiezed over other devices. 😂

[@MaestroOfficial]

u sure thats vdsl? looks like docsis to me.

[@olliloco]

Those waves on the upload bandwidth, screams of the codel qeuening discipline.. You should use sq_codel, as it flats out the ping times significantly.. DD-Wrt for the win.. ;-)

[@simjc74]

Interesting. We will see what the next iteration of the Netduma OS brings us for those have R1s,

[@iPhoneHelper1999]

Olli Trolli Do you use HTB? What upload/Download did you set?

[@olliloco]

I do use HTB. My bandwidth is limited by QoS to 39000 down, 38000 up. My unrestricted connection is +40000/+40000.

[@mruk2724]

been doing this test all week full wack virgin media 50 up 4 down my blufferbloat goes pst 1000ms the best ive got is 10up 2 down about 60ms for both,however allways rated D for quality even tho i do the test wired and correct i guess virgin media are just poor quality.

[@mruk2724]

up and down mixed up i mean 50 download 4 upload

[@simjc74]

You are not the first person who uses Virgin Media to tell me that they get a 1second ping by default, unfortunately! I would expect a 60-70ms ping by default until tweaked. The Quality rating tends to be dependent on the algorithm used. Have you tried Pre-Emptive? I found for me, that I got higher quality ratings using that instead of Reactive.

[@jacobgreene8064]

Bufferbloat and Jitter are not the same thing..

[@TheIvoryKeys]

I fail to see how this would help with a game like Call of Duty if the game has lag compensation, happy to be proven wrong by smarter people tho

[@steelsilence19]

Well congratulations this site dosent even come close to my real speed

[@lkfayz]

try fq_codel qos for the best bufferbloat, all you need is a cheap router that can run ddwrt, i get A+ on my 100mb virgin media connection