My Thoughts on Hwoarang in High Level Tekken

[@Adrius91]

The Shikamaru of the Tekken community.

[@IAMOP]

00:13 They just kinda die 😂

[@theyoungmensclub8798]

I actually like that hwo is complicated, most people who overthink like speed tend to lean towards hwo. But the fact that I have to put more thought into all the moves and gameplan actually excites me for lack of better words

[@soulstrendingmusic7531]

High level and pretty much high level only tho

[@1Diddums]

I feel the truth (especially at this point in iterations) comes down to Hwoarang having _too much_ going for him. More so than any other character. Especially now that they gave him some of Baek's key tech, in T7. Many gimmick strats to avoid neutral, but so many that it stops being a gimmick, and becomes a crutch of a strategy. He is a nuisance for certain players who fight him, and a burden for those that put the time in to rock him. The Taki syndrome, is most prominent in Hwoarang - the mentality that: "If I win, you were bad and had no idea how to play the matchup. If I lose, it's because Hwo is flawed and so easy to deal with". A character that relies too much on your opponents lack of knowledge, to succeed. I don't personally mind fighting the character, but I always get the impression, the Hwoarang doesn't even enjoy playing the character. So much effort, that it infects your overall perspective of Tekken.

[@1Diddums]

Always a pleasure to see your Hwo in play, regardless. I had a pretty good idea how you felt about this, before sitting through a 32 minute video. The philosophy of the character speaks volumes.

[@FlyXcur]

Same with Yoshi. There's variety but if they know everything if you can't condition them or frame trap them it's over.

[@1Diddums]

@@FlyXcur I see where you're coming from, but I don't necessarily agree. Yoshi has some genuinely good, rewarding lows, aswell as a counter which launches. The character may have prided himself on being a _low-tier_ mixup machine in previous iterations, but I don't feel some players give current Yoshi enough credit in how honest and rounded he is. _You don't have to be wacky to succeed anymore, but it definitely rewards you when it works._

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

I wonder how true that is for most hwoa players because I disagree but thats only because I used him first in Tekken 3 and ever since. I honestly like him as a character because I feel cool getting people with JSFRs and when you learn his flamingo stances and how to poke people to death he's very fun.

[@1Diddums]

@@whydoyoukeeptalking I can respect that.

[@SafirLamkhantar]

About Hwo being able to pressure the opponent better: As a Jin, I've always had a hard time pressuring against a Hwo who spammed b2. It made me want to stop and think twice before unleashing an offensive plan (something that many other character do NOT force me to do, except Asuka, Paul, Geese or Armor King). Sure, it's punishable, it's a commitment, but it feels like an over annoying explosive game of rock paper scissors, in which Hwo has more advantages by design (I mean, it felt; it's been a long time since I haven't met much Hwo online... As it's a past experience, it might be my scrubiness talking). But you know what I mean, Hwo being positive after hits that don't look positive... Forcing to sidewalk on 3 bars... Chipping away the life bar on strings that kinda look infinite...

[@mamamia5905]

Safir Lamkhantar honestly I would say the best matches for me as a HWO main come from Jin and im not just saying that because theyre supposed to be “rivals” in game but really it seems like Jin has good counter measures for Hwo and his hell sweep and pokes keeps the match fair and interesting imo I love fighting Jin

[@iVesperX]

(Im assuming you're talking about b1, since b2 is a duckable high) most hwoarang players that spam b1, use it after a - frame move that they feel like is the end of their turn. analyzing them and seeing what moves they like to use b1 after is a good strategy, then using Jin's n4 will get you a juicy ch combo. as for the rest of the stuff you mentioned, tekken is a game of rock paper scissors in itself. just like any other character, you're going to have to gather data and make good reads if you want to guarantee your win. p.s. stepping will beat a lot of hwo's options, sidewalking isn't always required

[@Quran_eee]

Just back dash it and whiff punish it

[@krishbhalla4789]

@@Quran_eee It does sound very easy, but the problem is that you can't really put your own pressure in because of the fear of Hwoarang b+1. And having to work around it is very hard especially when you don't have a homing move or a move that tracks to the right fully which is under 15f. And trying to not attack can mean that he will try to approach and pressure you, and Hwoarang's pressure is annoying and to deal with. So yeah, backdashing is a good way to deal with b+1, but you also need to find ways to pressure Hwoarang to win because you don't want him to use his new power crush (cancel) as an approach tool and start pressuring you.

[@Quran_eee]

Krish Bhalla try power crush I remember using delayed strings or ch string helped me so much against b1

[@trebeatz3740]

I think we all feel this way about our mains tho that they are easy to shut down or missing something so I definitely feel you on that

[@DSKBR556]

I feel you, I wish my Devil Jin had a safe armored 13 frame 30dmg +8oh ch launch low poke that crushed highs and mids

[@iVesperX]

@@DSKBR556 no character has an armored low. not sure if one ever will

[@MuzzYADam]

*Laughs in Devil Jin*

[@MrEpikmax]

YUSEIALEX a wish for Devil Jin huh lol

[@ultraboy99x]

@@iVesperX lucky chloe has one

[@jameslulll7503]

Speedkicks but also speedtalk

[@wildman7220]

Fuck you. Stupid brat. Now kiss me.

[@MFUnicornBey]

I tried watching it in 0,75x

[@SMBShippuden4]

All i can say is. Don't give up on your main.

[@timothys3817]

Something, you just gotta try new things

[@sul_sa7ari288]

A mistake I almost made

[@fuddyduddie1205]

SMBShippuden4 true but if he’s your second main, like he was for me, you can drop him for someone easier to use who’s more effective in T7.

[@sul_sa7ari288]

@@fuddyduddie1205 nah second main is alright to drop the first main is the one you gotta stay loyal to

[@fuddyduddie1205]

el o96orah that’s what I said. He was my second main.

[@coolcat2994]

Honestly u gotta have heart with this char

[@0daniel0kim0]

I kinda want to see speed hash it out with MDJ cuz theres alot of philosophical differences in how they play hwoarang I think. Speed leans on the side of the hwoa player making the read while I feel MDJ puts the burden of the read on the opponents and gets info off of the opponent. Unfortunately they dont speak each others language but I'm interested in how 2 top hwoarang players would hash the character's strengths/weaknesses out

[@VaydahHD]

@Nihil GhostOwl u know what he means

[@itznevaehgalaxy1842]

great content speedkicks! even knee said that when two pros fight in the tournament, most of the time, its all about luck specially if they both know each character's weaknesses. the key here is to just play calm and not try to overthink the so called "mindgames". 😘

[@mecury007]

I believe that is why hworang is seen as really good to the non pro players. You literally explained a situation where I'm sitting and becoming a counter striker trying to figure out what the pattern is while he get to push buttons and maintain over whelming pressure not worried about what about my character or their move list. That is an OP character. Only good thing is hworang players in general have no defense as they have relied on being the only person attacking. 😁

[@AndyMacster]

Hworang isn't OP, the players pick him up for how free games are if he isn't labbed properly. The amount of time people invest into Tekken needs to jump hugely if they want to understand all of Hworang's options which allows people to force the Hworang to have good defence, which you very correctly pointed out, rarely happens.

[@doomsdayjoestar47]

I play hwo the opposite I play him like a mishima

[@WastePlace]

mecury007 Hwo isn’t Op lmao, if you’re sitting there mashing buttons against his offense you deserve to lose. Every Hwo player is different, he has a shit ton of moves and you rarely use all of them in a single match so I wouldn’t assume everyone who picks him up is gonna play him like a rush down character

[@Ritzeh]

thank you for the insightful video

[@Threeli]

Great insights, def agree. I think if your objective is just to win as much as possible then you might want to go with someone else. I feel like you can fight through all of the disadvantages that you laid out but personally that's what I like about him. I like the challenge of winning despite those things. But usually if I just want to win and they know the matchup I switch to jack lol

[@kumaSOevl]

I play him as a secondary but lately I’ve been trying to play him more for s3. Far from a pro but I wish he had better WR punishers, slightly more evasive movement and a faster high crush. Maybe a more plus move or force crouch move out of his stances. Or maybe the ability to cancel his crescent kicks into another stance but keep the foward momentum

[@therxckstar]

He was my main but the switched his move set soooo much over the years but everyone else is still basically the same but they switched his shit all the way up requiring waayy more combos

[@thewhitegargoyle]

I have started to rely less and less on flamingo. I feel like i put myself in a mixup everytime, im trying to change my playstyle to be more "compact"/safe. But Hwo really struggles in neutral. A couple of things have started developing from this though, the SS mixup (SS 4 / SS jfsr) is a super good tool im using more often then ever before. Just a tip if anyone else is struggling

[@zohanjames7793]

Does jfsr track?

[@Shallawy]

@@zohanjames7793 Nope.

[@mamamia5905]

Hwo is my main and I agree with everything you said in this video. I’m in way too deep to change up now tho and plus I like the challenge but this was good stuff

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

I usually go in if they are being defensive and then attempt different pokes and adjust to what they aren't use to. The problem is if they read my poke and I come in too strong, you are correct man they punish HARD. Also I use Back+1 a lot to get out of people's pressure tools but that move can be a terrible habit too. ALSO I've noticed as a Hwoarang user I usually always lose my first game in tourney because Idk what moves are most effective yet which does make him not the best for tourneys. Great video man.

[@HarveyBirdMans]

Mori Jin is the reason I play this guy Re Taekwondo Is LIFEEE 😁

[@Hocloud]

I feel you haha

[@Oomze]

Hwo is the reason i read GOH 😂

[@BLKthunda1220]

Thank you for the information!

[@Bloodhound_214]

Wow I really don't know if I have a main anymore

[@elishaingram1107]

13:50 some facts about hwoarang that a I always overlooked , my big bro would destroy me using hwoarang.

[@ICEMAN-Z8]

I will say only this, you r a great Hworang player DON’T give up on him

[@mukarramwardak]

I miss your hwoarang

[@bharathkumarhere]

does Tekken 7 Hwoarang has any powerful one shot damage like Paul's burning fist or Jack's Gigaton Punch. Just asking out of curiosity as I am sure Tekken 3 had it.

[@tk-entertainment7310]

very helpful thanks bro

[@FerventFourEyes]

Basically, to actually be "good" (i.e. actually have others look at your game with respect, that's the great equalizer here) with hwo you have to be REALLY good at this game. You have to unlearn a lot of bad habits from playing with him, that's for sure. He requires zero fundamentals of the game to get to red (not joking) but most give up because as easy it can be with him at first, it's exponentially harder once you actually have to "learn" tekken. To say he's execution heavy is an understatement when you're trying to get the most out of him but there's no one else like him on the roster. A "good" hwo Inspires shock and awe and that's what keeps me practicing! I wish speed would stick with him but I really do understand because it's a bonafide catch 22.

[@jeanpablotwice6058]

High level Tekken is for less than 1% of population. Things shown there dont apply to ranked unless you play Tekken for years now with great success

[@mr30witda30]

Just be honest you dont wanna give away your gameplan

[@Rafael57YT]

You would need a book to read it all anyway

[@priyanshukisku2860]

What is the best time to do flying eagle

[@shovaLkariti]

Best Hwoarang!

[@Bloodhound_214]

So what am I supposed to do as a howranang player

[@tatmanmyownbossdannydraco]

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[@TGregers]

He said that you gotta make the correct reads to your opponents defence, but it comes with a cost.. It is risky if they know how to defend. Hwoarang can get 2 good poke reads to continue the pressure, but if they read you correctly they get a launch. So spend time reading your opponent and how they react to your offence. He doesn't seem to like that type of gameplay tho, since it is hard in high level.

[@BallIsLifeYouKnow]

*Almost beats Knee wit hwo

[@r3d_rain488]

And it will only ever be almost.

[@aero-xt5583]

@@r3d_rain488 almost is alot you twat have you done anything in Evo or something

[@counterhit121]

I'm a little confused as to why, with a trash neutral game, a Hwoarang player would want to engage the opponent there first to download opponent tells. Why wouldn't a Hwoarang player just use safer options from his rushdown blender to feel out the exploitable areas in his opponent's defense?

[@Speedkicks]

The key to this point is in the opening parts of the vid. There's no safe options when you can't control the timing of your attacks, every time Hwoarang shows an aggressive situation, he can't disengage and has to choose something that can get him killed vs a specific defensive option.

[@itznevaehgalaxy1842]

very well said defon. that's exactly Asellas' hworang strats in korea. though people are starting to call him boring hworang because he plays safe too much and even pro koreans were annoyed by his playstyle.

[@TheRealDustinNunn]

We need Baek Doo San in the next Tekken 7 update.

[@Polo_7822]

1:59 did you just called db3 “db1”

[@RekkabitesThirteen]

Thank you so much

[@silverstringsgia]

Why is you not uploading new videos?

[@ovehaed]

hey who tf wants to lab a char with 7 stances and 200+ moves? No wonder people think he's good at lower levels it's just a façade. I feel like that his kit has so much stuff that it's even hard to understand for hwoa players.

[@truethat15]

I feel like hworang needs some major changes in 8. He feels way too complicated and requires more thought and effort for the same or little results of other players. It feels like an uphill battle playing him against anyone one with half a brain.

[@Oomze]

Theres some fun in that sometimes ngl

[@fakeeru6783]

JDCR agrees with this on one of his Hwoa videos...

[@YajasDwivedi]

OK c'mon now for fucks sake. Are you actually trying to be a victim as a Hwoarang main? He's one of the most powerful characters in the game. Well into intermediate play, you can basically just breeze past the majority of your opponents because the onus is completely ON them to know the matchup, which is not easy either since he has like 1000 moves many of which leave him with + frames. If someone doesn't know the match up you can bet your ass even a very average Hwoa will blow them up. I say this as a Hwoarang main. You're making him sound like he's Lee or Devil Jin or someshit. He's not. He is very easy to cheese with until you reach the really high levels of play. Yeah, there's a bit of an execution barrier but god bless that otherwise he'd literally be worse than Katarina.

[@requiem418]

It's easy to beat hwoarang offline because there's no lag and Sidestepping, low parrying, low blocking and back dashing always works consistently , but in online situations even a tiny bit of lag makes it very hard and any kind of movement against his offense feels unsafe and the whole experience fighting against a hwoarang player becomes very annoying and depressing cuz you know we just kinda die.(I am a scrub so maybe it's only me)

[@caiobruno8006]

Thing is, he needs to be exactly like that on high level because Hwoarang players get away for free in any other level. You can do those flamingo stances and beat everyone without a single brain cell working until people actively put in more effort into learning the match-up than you did at playing the character, so when they do, of course you're supposed to take the L home.

[@budbud866]

HWOARANG IS THE FUCKING MAN!!!

[@camilomarchesi1793]

Welcome to pro tekken where every character is hard cuz everybody knows what ur character does , so u need to start using ur mind SCRUP

[@SkRapp3]

Can we get a updated offensive vid?🤔 i just made Hwo my main🤙

[@skillustrates]

Exhibit a): If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Exhibit b): If a "cheap" character isn't _actually_ cheap because he has a *critical*, self-defeating weakness that is unlikely to present itself outside of high-level, well-informed Tekken play, does that then make him fair/honest? The justification behind this, that Speedkicks is highlighting, is that Hwoarang himself benefits poorly from this distance-closing, forward-advancing, high-mid-low-alternating, counter-hit-accompanying, poor-decision-influencing flurry of attacks. "Poorly" being 40 points of damage for his trouble. But I dunno, man... Hwoarang netting 40 points of damage per pressure string in an attempt to get his opponent to press punishable buttons isn't exactly nothing- it's 1/4 of their life bar (each character has 170 points of health). And that's without counter hit damage being factored in. And "Just sidestep!" against Hwoarang is easier said than done. You really do have to hit the lab and get the timing of your stepping down while he's in his button-pressing frenzy or else every attack will behave like a homing move. I guess I can't blame anyone for wanting to believe that the character they play is hard to use and has to fight an uphill battle just to win; it's a big part of why using C.Viper in SFIV felt so rewarding to me. But top players (read: players who know precisely how to deal with Hwoarang) make up a minority of the player base. In other words, to the majority, Hwoarang is effectively a cheap bastard, who makes fighting Eddy on a yellow connection feel preferable. However, at the same time, it's nobody's fault but your own if you're not a player who knows exactly how to deal with Hwoarang's bullshit. This is Tekken after all. I do believe he gets away with murder though.

Speedkicks? More like Speedthinks. I love your content!

[@ladrellhart2063]

So basically Hwoarang is week against turtles??? Speed you went over the weakness of one of my mains Eliza, if you ever get time could you make a vid about my other main Master Raven. Raven is very similar to Hwoarang. I love to use Raven in rush down way, but I have to be careful in back turn other wise I'll get lunched. The bt power crush really helped. I'm really glad that added it.

[@ladrellhart2063]

@DIG TEKKEN Nice have you mastered the instant Aire dive kiks? I can get them to pressure. But is a lot harder to do them in combos. I'm not sure why. Fading Fire do them so easy, like it's nothing.

[@krishbhalla4789]

Raven similar to Hwoarang? What do you mean? I don't really get it.

[@courtlandwilliams7149]

Tbh I don’t even play hwo like this and I man him. I like defenses better than offense. Maybe why some people who play who say mine is good.

[@DeathFrown]

They probably saying yours is good because it's less button spam and winning due to 0:13 and more calculative, like an exchange or something. SpeedKicks doesn't "spam" attacks for the sake of spamming, but more so to learn how an opponent is playing and how he deals with them. *Not intended to diss spammers or the lack thereof* If you don't attack, you don't know where to hit the low blows basically. and when I say low, I don't mean their legs. Just an opinion and you could very much be a lot more conservative with your attacks when you do indeed poke at them or around, leaving you a lot less vulnerable. Though in all honesty, according to one legend in Tekken, Knee(notsure.exe), 'A lot of players don't have a good defense, I do, I win.' totally paraphrased.

[@M4TTYN]

0:47 me with Yoshimitshu lmao

[@marcelkendymatsumoto]

Post some hwoarang online fights!

[@ThePaoOfTooh]

I watch Speedkicks videos at 1.5x speed.

[@rtplays4257]

Great 😌

[@jonahfh5874]

It's more his bs moves that allow him to keep his pressure that piss me off like backlash b1 his safe ws4,4 extremely evasive orbital d3,4 jailing on hit.

[@chubomber2034]

I don't think he's a circus act I think he's a unique character

[@TGregers]

Kinda heatbreaking to see you talk about this speed. I know how much you love the character, but he doesn't play the way you want to play tekken. Either just go back to what you talked about, being good at making alot of reads and perfecting that style (even though it might not be the best for consistent results in high level), or I would say just admit to your self that you have to drop him alltogether in this game and find a true new main. I know the feeling tho, when I play any other character than Eddy, I get bored after 30 minutes, even if I can play them at a decent level.

[@nytronymous]

Study world tkd fed style..the fast kick..df+3..is the key to hwo.

[@jayyyyy97]

For a character with one of the longest move lists, hwoarang is a pretty simple character, in the sense that he only has one play style - rushdown with flamingo d3,4/1,2 into flamingo, then mixup. If you think about it, I'm pretty sure that every hwoarang player online plays the exact same way, because of his simplicity, including me. I don't even like playing like this way because it's so simple, repetitive and boring. In fact, the most fun part of playing hwoarang online, for me, is having to defend against different characters, and experiencing the different play styles that each character has.

[@kunxv15]

I just use d/b+1

[@Strongviking_enrico]

What language is he speaking? I can't keep up.

[@Bajancheese90]

31:56 lmfao damn 😂😂😂

[@zohanjames7793]

I finally gave up on this character after 20 years. Playing him made me hate the game. I was in a state of constant frustration and agitation playing him because of the exact reasons speedkicks mentioned. There's a ceiling with the character that you just can't ignore. Veteran hwo players know exactly what I'm talking about. Honestly, If a character makes you feel like that its time to drop them.

[@endlesscrusade]

and who do you play now? I'm curious as I am just trying to get into hwo and it seems daunting af.

[@zohanjames7793]

@@endlesscrusade Excellent question! Well, I haven't TOTALLY GIVEN UP, however, I recently picked up Julia. She makes the game feel fun where Hwo didn't. She has a way of forcing the opponent to "open up!" She almost seems to have just about every tool you need, unlike Hwo.

[@ZiegenMeisterV1]

So basically knowing the options and guessing. The one who guesses better wins.

[@AngryTxicChaobla]

Tekken shithole 7 in a nutshell tbh

[@DeathsIntent96]

@@AngryTxicChaobla Not at all.

[@AngryTxicChaobla]

@@DeathsIntent96 yes at all, you can minimise the guessing factor with movement, option selecting and knowledge of frame data but ultimately it all boils down to whoever makes the better "reads" (I hate that word its really just guessing)

[@rtiq270]

@@AngryTxicChaobla Breaking down a character's options in a scenario and selecting the best thing to do against it isn't guessing. You're most likely thinking of 50/50's, where an option either works or doesn't, and since it's impossible to react to, it's necessary to guess what's gonna happen.

[@gilet102]

I really hate playing against hwo players. A lot of them are nothing but aggressive sweats with little defense. I always play neutral and keep my distance. When I get momentum, I go in hard and get as much life lead as I can.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

I know this was painful Speed, I'm sorry they made you relive this trauma 😭

[@swindle6835]

Please make more videos

[@luckymt8696]

How do you jfsr so easly, please teach me your secret

[@Elbadilloo]

Like all just frames, lots of hours doing it over and over in training mode I guess. It took me years of training to be able to use it efficiently and consistently with movement ( dash, sidestep ), for punishment or in set-ups. There was a little trick to this in TTT2, I don't know if they kept it but the just frame was much easier to do from RFF back then, it helped me to get the timing right. Just in case you don't know ( but I think you already do ) the just frame version is done by imputing f, n, d/f 4 instead of f, n, d, d/f 4 so it does not work like an electric, it's more like Heihachi's blue sparks crouch dash 1. I hope it will help you and sorry if it didn't, anyways keep practicing cause that move is definetly worth the effort.

[@FlyXcur]

@@Elbadilloo it being easier to just frame from right stance is still in.

[@effartolacobo6742]

Do it from RFF stance. It's much easier

[@luckymt8696]

@@effartolacobo6742 i know but is annoyng to always put in right stance

[@bolahan]

Don’t develop bad habits by doing it just right stance. Try pressing forward and 4 at the same time and df immediately after that’s how I do it.

[@user-wp4vh3qd1q]

I'm a howrang player but I got to say his not easy on high level it felt so hard to play him on red ranks and higher poor punishment and poor counter hit

[@Muhammadwaqas-tl6ve]

speedkick you are the best hworang playerrrr☺😘

[@tonystark559]

Speedkick is maddogjin

[@MarcusDobson916]

Bro....y'all tripping. Play him like a traditional Tekken character and you will see he has very good tools. For instance no one uses ff3 like they should. Very good pressure tool after simple pokes that are all +8 on hit and at least -2 up to -6 like...they can't step ff3 and attack so mix up quick pokes with ff3. Play him simple and watch what happens

[@WastePlace]

Marcus Dobson fax. People wanna play him like they play Lei and Yoshi, but he ain’t really built for that. Sure you can play him like a party animal but just using his fundamentals and sticking with the bread and butter combos seems to be more effective than trying to swag on people in flamingo the whole match

[@Oomze]

I use ff3 a fair bit and it gets tech rolled easily and i get launched or hit heavy for it. Startup is slow too

[@kylefields3951]

K-Wiss is a better Hwoarang main than Speedkicks ever was, and it's simply because he focused more on the 3D element, only goes into Flamingo via Down 3, 4 into a single mid launcher or Hellsweep and then plays more passively for the Peacekeeper counter hit in the neutral and Back 3 for whiff punishment. He boils Hwoarang down to his absolute most basic components and does very well for himself. Next time you watch K-Wiss in tournament, see how often he gets a big sidestep into Back 3 launch punish. It's beautiful simplistic and compact Tekken.

[@MarcusDobson916]

@@kylefields3951 Naw. Speedkicks came from am era wear the character actually sucked. T6 and T7 Hwo are actually pretty good. But yea. Playing him traditional and not like a party animal or rushdown king, is the best way. Tryna rush someone down and they make a hard read and hopkick or sidestep you, get blown up and lose half your life bar or more is not the way. I miss Tekken. And i fear this new one isnt going to help me get back into it

[@Mystic_Eddie]

Meh. There's alot of things you can get by baiting them with something they should know. For example. Mishima players. They seem to be the ones with the most consistent anti hwo flow charts. Stepping rff d/f 4 and electric... They won that exchange, 80ish damage with the wall. But if they go for it again they are eating the backlash for stepping. It's only 2 moves but has so many negative scenarios for the opponent. Ofc you can option select both with a ss and then a high crushing low that ch launches because it will punish both options. At plus 5, rff df 3 snuffs anything other than ss block and i14 moves. How long until they try to interrupt and you get a handful of different free things for them opting to just block or even attack. That whole situation came just from them knowing to ss. Another example I prefer though, is the highs that end in rfs. It recovers so fast, getting a ws punish is pretty difficult offline. Online with rfs f4, 4 good luck. Knowing you're opponent knows a duckable string and will duck you can bait a ch for them actually getting the read. Usually after that they just give up on ducking and down jab and on the read. Low parry. I Just feel hwo gets alot better the more they know because depending on how well you know you're him you can counter the obvious counter.

[@Snakesrcool2003account]

ok so like after watching like 3 or 4 hwoarang videos i think i know what to do with his strings

[@Kaiya134]

That was probably the most convoluted way to say "Hwoarang's offense is not broken enough for him to be viable". He is designed to be an offensive beast and that's all there is to it. Everything else is overthinking. His offense loses value at higher ranks, he sacrifices viability for immense variety, unfortunately. It would be amazing to have this variety be viable at high ranks, because compared to some Eddy or Zafina, at least Hwoarang's stance during offense is not so evasive, making him a "fair" offensive character, but unfortunately he is established as a casual favourite in developers' eyes and won't receive what he needs to go pro.

[@dallyvfx3d]

Lee's b 3+4 absolutely destroys flamingo

[@madnesssupreme]

PANDA.

[@Bloodhound_214]

Finally

[@ImmortalJe]

Speed kicks u over analyzed your character for sure

[@sabahbubbler]

I did not know Speedkicks is black. I swear I don't think there's such a thing as black voice. I didnt even know Tasty Steve is black

[@TinyMeatGaang]

This nigga be talking fast af. Love it. Lol

[@CozmoCC]

Overwhelming pressure negated by knowledge and smart decision making . Perfect design .

[@Kingk00pa281]

Tekken Tag 2 Hwo > Tekken 7 they took have his moveset away

[@Kingk00pa281]

also feel like everyone else’s characters got better Hwo took a step back this edition im late as hell game has been out for years ive only played for 7 a month

[@Aminkaza]

Change your nickname to speedtalk

[@rebar33]

Button mash character. Girlftiend liked him and chreddie since all you gotta do is mash.

[@klaustroff]

Maaan.. After red ranks everybody just duck and punish you. And all moves againt ducking opponents have too many frames. All of this combos is good only after laucnchers. Hwo is a worst character of S3. All of 1,2, x,y instantly punish. And 90% its been CH. 2,x,y too. Dead character w/o good punishes, CH, mid kicks. RIP Hwo.

[@CosmicVoid420]

Stop doing highs and lows lol. If they are ducking you should be fucking them up with f,n,df:4 iws3 rff f,n,df4 and rff b2 lfs b4 and lfs 2 and lfs uf4 rfs b3 and rfs df4

[@klaustroff]

@@CosmicVoid420 green? Yellow? lmao

[@CosmicVoid420]

@@klaustroff you are calling me a green ranked player yet you keep on getting ducked and punished and saying dumb shit like "All of this combos is good only after laucnchers" "All of 1,2, x,y instantly punish. And 90% its been CH. 2,x,y too."

[@klaustroff]

@@CosmicVoid420 Stop talking with me plz. Go labbing, naab.

[@camilomarchesi1793]

Yes i have the same problem the solutions start doing mids , fast mids slow mid if the hard read SCRUP

[@herokiryu2652]

How cheap do you want hwoarang to be? Mean while the low tiers like gigas and panda have to make do with what they have.. harada namco has given you guys so much hand holding as opposed to players who main the low tiers.. if you wanna ask for buffs.. be fair to everyone else too

[@Speedkicks]

Bro this video is 33 minutes long and you made this comment 2 minutes after it was uploaded...

[@trebeatz3740]

💀💀💀

[@trebeatz3740]

Hero Kiryu how is he wanting hworang to be cheap if he’s tell you how to defend against him in the video

[@mamamia5905]

Hero Kiryu how could you possibly have made this comment when the video is 33 mins long...

[@Rambowhomeblue]

Speedkicks lol is still more noob friendly n T7 u have to agree. D best armor n the game n damage output consistently. He just weak to sidesteps but easily the top 5 in the game just require a little skill of the character not the game

[@BustedHax]

just get gut, scrub

[@mukharesh]

Spammer

[@zandler815]

Speedkicks tries to demonstrate how hwo is bad but gets fucked up by his own hwo recording 😂.

[@dmitryminaev5368]

Hwo is cancer online

[@shimaalcarrim7949]

Hwo is my fav. But I think he's inferior to Steve.

[@lycanshithrope6956]

He is, Steve has better panic options and more evasion.

[@gtadude-x8g]

You're not best Hwoarang, Hwoarang is Korean not USA rapper lmao. I beat you any time, in Tekken 7 bruh!

[@salamalaikoum2025]

Lol what a scrub. Arslan is gonna run a train on you Atlanta players this summer..

[@OldManNutcakez]

Tried using the advice given in this video to fight Hwoarang, got hit on every sidestep, ducked on mids, got frozen and poked out by lows. Cant recognize what I am looking at most of the time, and really, unless you are playing at a high level and putting in that time in fully learning him, it will be the same problem. Hence why this character can just flowchart through 90% to 95% of the playerbase, and will continue to do so. Especially with the changes he got in T7, complete scrub shit that actually conditions Hwoarang players to not even bother to block.

[@lorenzogadola8401]

That's because you didnt even understand what he meant randomly ducking or side steping is an easy way to get killed by every char

[@OldManNutcakez]

@@lorenzogadola8401 I sense you are the one who does not understand what he is talking about. You have to make a read to get out of his flamingo/RFF flowcharts, via ducks, interrupts and sidesteps. And unless you really learn the flowcharts & options, it's just a guess. The timing & reaction also needs some getting used to. It's just not realistic for most players to put in that time, not even if they want to. So as a result, few Hwoarang players ever have to advance beyond their advanced flowcharts.

[@lorenzogadola8401]

@@OldManNutcakez the fact that you brought up the time factor make it a completely different argument in wich i agree to but thats a different matter and also the way you said it in the comment made me think you were randomly ducking rather than doing a read over an observation on that hwoarang's flowcharts. But anyway a read is a read so nothing guarantees its gonna work out. So i kinda understand your frustration but tbh if you dont wanna or cant put the time in i'll suggest to run away from every lab eavy chars