TOP 10 CHARACTERS IN TEKKEN 7 SEASON 2 | My thoughts

[@minnis1440]

Man I thought people threw the tier list away after the panda won

[@DocPwnall136]

Ironically tier lists are why Panda's victory was hype in the first place

[@allanyang21]

its a tier list of a very balanced game. In the end it really depends on match up knowledge

[@MuzzYADam]

Tier list aren't the end all be all. the game is all about how good the player is (knowing the matchup, godly reflexes & knowing their own character) but tier list are a good way to know about certain characters when it comes to their tools, upsides and weakness

[@TheFilipFonky]

Collusion my dude. Knee and Qudans never did DJ's f3+4 to punish ff2 on block, never. And Knee dropping combos costantly... If you look at the extremely low price pool it's clear it was all to not have the same grand final as usual.

[@minnis1440]

@@TheFilipFonky you actually came up with this and believe it...

[@BLKthunda1220]

Great analysis. Always respect that from SPEED KICKS. That brain be working lol

[@IAMOP]

No pantsu doing some extra work.

[@houmamkhan9084]

Sensei u are everywhere

[@snkenjoyer4989]

@@houmamkhan9084 ig he likes tekken just as much as the rest of us

[@UnknownFeng]

Great stuff. I feel like the newest member of Speedkicks University.

[@donuttoy8482]

I learn so much from amazing players for a game I dont even play. At least when I watch Tourneys now, I know wth is going on.

[@ohrience]

If you're that interested you might as well play the game.

[@tyrenace6597]

@@ohrience That's just the beauty of Tekken 7. I've never wanted to watch tournaments about Tekken until Tekken 7 dropped. I wanted to play the game but thought it would be too difficult, so I held off until Season 2 dropped. I was able to get my Tekken 7 a month after Season 2 dropped. After always watching tournaments about it, I've never had so much fun in a fighting game until now.

[@ohrience]

@@tyrenace6597 same here. I bought the game on release because my friends recommended it but only got real into it like a month before season 2 was released. I use the Mishima characters and I found that learning tech from pros like Qudans is quite fun.

[@sonicrocks25elsword]

This is what I really like about Tekken. Watching a couple of different peoples tier list always look incredibly different. Even among the top players

[@beastside9400]

Where do you think Josie belongs ? Me personally, I say the kitchen.

[@ObeseKings]

xD epic!!!!

[@grandpulse7970]

In my bed

[@beastside9400]

cholong kh Ew, nah.

[@beastside9400]

Kakinator Your words not mine lmao

[@jinkazama1547]

....Top tier.

[@kyarameru70]

can you make an alissa guide ?

[@TheFilipFonky]

More videos where you analyze characters, please! This is quality!

[@ShinBladeTV]

Loved the input on Steve

[@SuperiorWare]

33:21 Thats Factory! Savage Stance FTW. Proper use of savage stance can lead to a shook guessing opponent.

[@elliotsmith567]

Most People really are sleeping on S2 Miguel. He is a monster when he gets rolling.

[@SuperiorWare]

@@elliotsmith567 I like how almost every move loops back into savage lock down.

[@elliotsmith567]

@@SuperiorWare Absolutely, SAV D/B+3~F, SAV D/B+3~F, SAV U/F+3 is one of my favorite loops. Scare them into ducking at the wall and give them the knee for a splat.

[@bluefacebaby4167]

Honestly. Miguel is a monster. Give him a better rage drive and more arm length and he would be godlike.

[@thegreatdamiano8565]

he is but holding forward to me is so akward

[@INSOMNIACification]

Hmmm yes this makes sense to my very knowledgeable and smart blue rank shaheen main brain

[@DownhillDave]

Lets get an updated one of these videos

[@TGregers]

Amazing video man

[@dermert]

Any plans to do a full tier list for season 2? Or are you going to wait until all the dlc is out?

[@mamamia5905]

I’m thinking about actually trying to fight in a tournament soon. I use HWO he’s my main so im studying and practicing as much as possible

[@HylianDakota]

Expect to have nerves, and if you don't normally play on a gaming monitor the set ups will probably throw off your combos and your timing in general. Gl;hf if you do give it a try

[@mamamia5905]

Dakokiri thank you I have no doubt in my mind ill be nervous but I def want to fight more talented players soit should be fun

[@AllThingsAction]

good luck yo

[@omargholam2514]

Brandon Lucy whats your rank?

[@pescharliearchive]

Go for it. There's no entry barrier like in other competitive games - everyone is welcome to enter. Go meet some new people and have fun!

[@arsonne]

Speaking of Jin matchups he still has some that feel incredibly hard. Steve feels almost impossible sometimes.

[@SuperiorWare]

Just stay away from back+1. Ish is dangerous. U need to keep steve grounded, making sure he can't stand his square.

[@egrassa1480]

@@SuperiorWare keep Steve grounded 4head. Mb better do more damage than he does 4head.

[@INSOMNIACification]

Nigga just beat Steve

[@aFutureSelf]

Eftkvcdi965321 yeah man just win

[@TheDocbach]

Yeah. For some reason, the Steve match up feels hard as hell. I always assumed it was because Steve was always so good at closing the distance and taking away Jins space controll advantage. All I know for sure, is that Run it black destroyed the hell out of Time controller after he lost and was awkward as hell. LOL.

[@awbr1991]

How do you feel about Armor King? Great list

[@ashanirpaneer]

So why is Armor King not Top Tier? He seems to have almost every damn tool you need to succeed in a game of Tekken. Basically has the best features of King combined with some of the best staple moves of other characters. I find it pretty insane.

[@joshjones9749]

I'd agree even after this short time we've had him, I'd already put him way up there. He's handpicked the best King's got but with more of a compact feel. He has a handful tools so good you don't even have to think of which ones to use. Combine that with lightning fast punishment and fat combo damage and he's a big problem.

[@swanscream5152]

+Josh Jones In handpicking the best King has, he missed all the tracking, King's superior DF2 and DF1, and other stuff like King's better chainthrows, better Shining Wizard and, as far as I've heard, vastly better oki in general. AK is so hugely linear that a cancelled SSR blocks both homing moves but evades just about everything else bar -12 DF2 and poke lows. You can't play such a linear character thoughtlessly unless your opponent has bad movement, IMO; it's like playing Lili.

[@joshjones9749]

@@swanscream5152 King is still the better character in my opinion...but I agree with AK's linearity...its never presented a huge problem for me personally but then again I don't make a habit of just throwing alot of moves out there.

[@trulordexiv]

He doesn’t have good plus frames in his punishment and his good plus frames moves have bad frame start up, bad pressure however I do think he is a top tier killer. He can beat top tiers easily but suffers against gimmicks

[@swanscream5152]

+Nicholas Crawford Huh. I think you're right, though I actually like his plus frame moves at first glance; the way F4 pulls them in & prevents people backdashing away, but I guess that'd matter a lot less to me if I fought more people who would SS these moves & launch me for trying them. What do you think of A.K's wall game? I feel I don't know enough about it, although I'd guess DB1+2 is better there since the pushback wouldn't prevent further pressure and it's basically a plus mid launcher.

[@zangana3052]

Dude can you make one on the current season? Tha'd be dope! I know it can be inaccurate, but man...

[@dreday6320]

Oh god you put Alisa on that list 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌.

[@dhiod]

Asuka ff3 doesnt high crush, its evasive though

[@tippingguy8514]

Everyone uses the word crush when they really mean evade

[@Quran_eee]

He means she doesn’t crouch while the move, although she does the same properties anyway

[@nytronymous]

Hwo is top ten. In my open onion..he won a tournament after all..and taught jin how to parry.

[@mikayd]

Where does Nina stand on this list? Where does he talk about the greatest character in the game? I'm talking about Nina "Get-Up-In-That-Ass" Williams. There are only two tiers Nina at the Top and the rest are lower Teir.

[@HeelPower200]

Nina is difficult and complex. She's versatile and amazing to play but nothing about her stands out as overpowered.

[@mikayd]

@@HeelPower200 agreed nothing about her is overpowered, I'm not sure where that is even a thing, dude the guy in the video mention it? the video was way to long for me to watch. It needs time stamps. Nina is the bomb and in no way is she overpowered, in some cases I would say she is under powered.

[@bluelion7342]

Nina is incredibly easy to side step, and if you stay at mid-range, half her game falls apart, and forces her to use her own mid to long range moves which are not great at all. She's a bad match up against a lot of characters, especially King. But when she is in range, she can be very tough to handle.

[@Grozdor]

n0pants tier thumbnail

[@princekatchafire9104]

Alisa is definitely top tier or close now with season two, the buffs to the saws make her a much more aggressive and offensive character. I use the saws all the time in what people say a “proper way” although many alisas still play it safe with just standing and dealing out low/mid pokes. With season two, I feel alisa users should use her to their advantage. Might be a persons play style to be defensive, although I’m told I’m unorthodox and unlike other alisas. We need to fight back and whoop ass😂

[@koolkillerx]

I think her power crush that leaves her in destructive mode is a great tool that should make people fear her and not to mention her damage is awesome, 60-70.

[@princekatchafire9104]

Koolkillerx ikr! Awesome damage

[@koolkillerx]

Alisa Bosconovitch 200 Btw when do you plan on streaming or uploading videos? I wanna see that unorthodox play style of yours

[@princekatchafire9104]

Koolkillerx possibly soon, I have clips that need editing(in the process of doing so)

[@Kilvoctu]

I'm also an "unorthodox" Alisa player who utilizes her entire moveset. When they buffed the saws, boy was that good news.

[@billyrayasi854]

Look at the thumbnail!!! A robot with feelings

[@JPROP-vb7sv]

I think Alisa is very strong. And you dont need good movement to play her. Skilless skills with her.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

You gotta lay off playing Hwo bruh, that shit can't be healthy 😂

[@SuperiorWare]

Hwoarang isn't cancerous though. Save this comment for noctis players.

[@egrassa1480]

@@SuperiorWare he didn't mean that..

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

SuperiorWare reference to the vod

[@ajraynera639]

Full breakdown guide for hwoarang please

[@Kozi15]

"ORA!" I think that guy is one of the annoying in this season.

[@conenubi701]

No kazumi? Sad times since I just started playing and learning this game after season 2 and made her my main

[@hermanjohnson9180]

She's still really good. Naysayers hated her to begin with

[@xbm7931]

I really enjoyed this...and I HATE to be this guy...but isn't what Speedkicks said at 43:53 to about 44:10 the exact same concept that Mainman was trying to convey? I'm sorry if it isn't, but that's how I took what MM was saying. Are there options to beat these characters? Absolutely...but the work it takes for you to beat these types of character mechanics are much more complicated than the work it takes for the person to execute those mechanics.

[@kylefields3951]

It is the exact same concept, it was the MainMan's phrasing which probably got a rile out of Speedkicks. Good catch.

[@LinDUNguin]

I like the point you're making here! However, I think what MainMan and Speedkicks argue are fundamentally different. When MainMan talks about imbalance, it's the work required into knowing how to deal with a certain character's gimmicks. Often times, those gimmicks have direct answers & once you know them are easy enough to implement in fighting said gimmick. This argument is that Tekken is imbalanced at lower levels because there exist characters in Tekken that are difficult to deal with UNTIL you know the answers. Conversely, Speedkicks is saying characters like Alisa & Asuka have tools that are so good at controlling the pace of the match, that you are forced to play their game regardless of whether you know how to deal with these tools. That's just how I take it anyways :)

[@xbm7931]

@@LinDUNguin Hmm I like that! At lower levels, lies your snake edger whether it be Lili, Bryan , or Law. A low level Mishima player doesn't have to tools (or knowledge) to crouch cancel electric those (or Twin piston if you play Kazuya for 0 risk high reward) But at higher ranks, Alisa truly does control the pace of the fight without really having to think about what the opponent is doing. I play Hwoarang, where 90% of my moveset requires me to be in the risky situation of not being able to block, so I must always be mindful of the opponents reactions and when I should pull back. (I'm just rambling now)....but yeah I like your interpretation of their minor disagreement! Good decipher lol.

[@SirSov3r3ign]

@@LinDUNguin I agree with what you said but I feel mainman had a degree of truthfulness in his statement. You can authentically feel the fundamental difference between being pressured by nina or hwo compared to kazumi, lee, kazuya etc. There is an imbalance in complexity/book learning between the aforementioned characters that the defender must partake in and then condense that knowledge into something actionable. How much effort exerted for this to succeed fluctuates depending on who you defend against. Theres also the factor of who YOU main. If you play kaz and have to deal with playing someone like eddy, you can feel the disparity in knowledge checking(eddy having more stances and obtuse hurtbox interactions that require further labbing) between you and the eddy player. kaz being far more simple and less tricky to deal with even tho his vortex is lethal. Most of the playerbase just play online where they don't even get to decide what matchups to consistently test so learning can feel frustrating due to how little power you have. Arslan ash and his friends have the best work ethic. Just hang out together physically and learn different characters for hours offline. A true conducive environment for learning. mainmanswe realised this in a vid a while back, mentioning the following - "you cant play ranked and master this game, theres too much to learn". I wouldn't put it exactly like this but I understand what he means.

[@duckseth]

Great in-depth video but is it just me or do graphics randomly fade in and out above Speedkicks' head?

[@jaakkovesterinen9672]

Looks like logos of some companies, likely his sponsors?

[@duckseth]

@@jaakkovesterinen9672 Oh I see. That makes sense.

[@SShaBazzz]

I think you have Paul a little to high. Dragonov is higher than Paul.

[@tomahawk6464]

I REALLY thought King was going to be on this list. He is one of the best characters in this game imo. But your explanation for the ones you chose was solid though, so I'll give it up.

[@eutimiolongoria4696]

You can just stand block against King all day. React to his slower lows (which don't even offer that much reward) and launch punish him and just take the minimal damage/ + frame on his faster ones. Kings will use throw mixups to scare you into ducking which then opens up his gameplan (hopkick, Atlas Hammer, etc) but if you can consistently break throws he's forced to wittle you down with poking, which other characters can do better. King's great, don't get me wrong, but I agree with him not being top 10

[@swanscream5152]

+Eutimio Longoria But his chainthrows cannot be broken on reaction; both CD chainthrows have identical animations, and I'm not convinced dash GS / iSW is reaction breakable. Also, hopkick & Atlas Hammer? Good Kings are going to be using safe moves like F3 for mids.

[@eutimiolongoria4696]

@@swanscream5152 Even if you get caught in one of his chain grabs you can break in the middle of it. Not guaranteed damage. So what if King uses safe mids? Safe mids typically = low reward. Block one of his safe mids, he's suddenly minus and loses momentum and it's your turn again. So he has to rely on lows to open you up. But they're shitty. King does not have a hell sweep and the only low that launches can be blocked on reaction. Literally no reason to duck against King. iSW and GS are definitely reactable. Hard sure but not impossible. Again good character but not top 10

[@swanscream5152]

+Eutimio Longoria Yes, you can pass a 30/30/30 or 50/50 to avoid further damage in a chainthrow. But you can pass any mixup. Mixups that vastly favour the attacker & can end in an RDC remain a tool to open people. Think of each tick of the chainthrow as a low/mid mixup; when King is doing 30+ damage per right guess after the initial 20 damage, & it escalates to even higher damage, that's better than many low/mid mixups in the game. Landing the initial chainthrow is less favourable, but still good, since King's mids include an i15 38 damage safe KND with great oki, a -10 mid launcher and multiple slow, safe mid launchers, with great punishment & CH tools to back it up. If there was no reason to duck, pro players wouldn't duck vs him.

[@wesson120894]

Nice video but no Bryan...?

[@jetaime4431]

bryan isn't rly good.

[@matthewtonna1]

If they bring back Bryan’s qcb 3 a counter hit launcher then yeah

[@egrassa1480]

@@matthewtonna1 nah, rather have df2 being - 3 on block for example.

[@matthewtonna1]

Df3 you mean?

[@kleps6463]

low rank scrub alert

[@fabiozwei]

Dont like heihachi for his lows. Mad buffs tho. How you should play him?

[@hermanjohnson9180]

Like a classic Mishima. Powerful but risky lows, strong everything else. Use strong highs and occasional lows to force strong mid damage (launchers etc)

[@azman177]

What lows?

[@hermanjohnson9180]

@@azman177 lol. Check the command list.

[@fabiozwei]

His hellsweep, but i’m just comparing him to kazuya and dvj. His okizeme ff 2 after the FC low is great tho.

[@azman177]

@@hermanjohnson9180 db2 has okay range and okay damage but super risky at -18 if blocked. High risk low reward. Hellsweep doesnt knockdown on hit or lead to a natural second hit on combo unless it was CH. Worst hellsweep in the game. His FC df4 is pretty slow, needs to be in full crouch and is as punishable on block as a hellsweep. Nice guaranteed ff2 afterwards but not always consistent and okay damage for such a high risk move. He doesnt have many other FC or WS moves to mix up with other than ws 4 maybe? Still not great. Sure you may eat a WS 1 from time to time but if blocked, its launch punishable

[@tekigami8169]

So is no one gonna bring up this thumbnail?

[@noFUN67]

f f +3 doesn´t high crush. it evades it

[@burter3154]

It's BIG BRAIN time, strapping in for this.

[@marcelkendymatsumoto]

very entertaining

[@biggieshaq]

All u see is king and Paul when I play

[@Scriptures-say]

Paul and law above feng and marduk and AK ????? DUDE YOU SERIOUS ??

[@OdisMilkGTV]

Advanced tekken school. I feel it.

[@trulordexiv]

I think ling is better than Paul, and Miguel

[@awbr1991]

Maybe Miguel, but I definitely think Paul has her beat.

[@grandpulse7970]

Only a moron noob would disagree

[@biggieshaq]

Where's lei he is in the game damn

[@truebatman9421]

thank you. lei is skipped cause he scared of lei mix ups and what nots. surprised to see ling on screen at least. lei scares him since p.ling fucked him up at strongstyle in TTT2 and still be fucking him up that he has to change to cheap characters like jin and law, paul easy to use cheap asses. All those scrub characters are trash forreal, but only thing that helps them get upper hands is the fucking frames advantage they gets. Sad. Lei, ling and few others are true skills and take quite a bit of skills and a heck of a learning curve to master at high level skill play. Speedkicks=coward, hater of lei and ling.

[@trentf4891]

Heihachi should be top tier. He's always been a beast in the story so it should carry over to gameplay.

[@SAGEXX309]

Damn his boy Hwo didnt make the cut

[@herokiryu2652]

i think hwoarang is up there too.. and noctis..

[@Kozi15]

ORA!

[@yourfuturedadbob9656]

Thought dragunuv is top tier ?

[@hermanjohnson9180]

He still is.

[@GCCake]

don't think dragunov that top tier bryans bit better

[@_Heel_]

Bryan is definitely not better

[@skyper2149]

alisa players unite!

[@lukamg7368]

Steve is the GOAT

[@fanboy7718]

Sub i didnt knew that you have a yt channel great

[@BlackDillon]

MARDUK > EVERYONE! :-)

[@ibal8405]

Gigas is top ten man

[@ElLegionario82]

Where is Nina ? she´s definitely top tier.

[@LuanRoberto96]

Omg tha Thumbnail kkkkkkkkkkk

[@Chameleon_daddi]

Yes!!!

[@mmmaaa5547]

i'd change alisa, asuka and miguel with lee, geese and xiaoyu

[@bluelion7342]

Paul is still a bad matchup against kazumi. She has not good range move.

[@pro2firez]

Pretty sure you meant that in reverse. That kazumi is a bad matchup against paul.

[@bluelion7342]

@@pro2firez Yes! My mistake. I meant to say that Kazumi is a bad match up against Paul. Because of her short range, it's hard to punish a lot of his core moves out in the open

[@pro2firez]

@@bluelion7342 yea her close range game is good but Paul's is decent enough plus both demo man and deathfist have enough pushback for her to struggle to punish it. Kazumi can still win but definitely struggles to do so.

[@bluelion7342]

Mithos Yggdrasill I am also starting to see at a high level that Marduk is a tough match up against kazumi for the same reasons.

[@TheUnique69able]

Leo Bryan and Nina are also top tier

[@tytk]

J walking Bryan isn’t top tier lol

[@imortalXsoul]

Bryan? Lol

[@dallyvfx3d]

i don't think kazuya is top 10. i've never felt overwhelmed fighting a kazuya player even when i'm getting destroyed, i dont feel overwhelmed.

[@asheeshtripathi6108]

I hate the paul deathfist nerf

[@chrishipop5]

Maven top 15? good enough for me.

[@johntaylor763]

Im top top tier!

[@Bee-iu9oy]

Very naicu

[@thepatientcollector3769]

That was quick

[@Nightmare1up00]

where Lars at??? XD

[@MrDarkSunshine]

No Noctis? Disliked and reported

[@thepatientcollector3769]

First by the way

[@timothys3817]

The Patient Collector im proud of you, for being first. Want a cookie?

[@axl_rs8721]

Paul top char? Ahahaha

[@tritone11]

Vitalik 544 why would he not be??