Speedrunner Reacts to Speedrunning's BIGGEST CHEATERS

[@Kosmicd12]

8:58 for any%, you can get the same framerule aka tie the left+right TAS, on every stage except 8-4. The best 8-4 done by a human is .25 (15 frames) behind the left+right TAS. There's a TAS that doesn't use left+right, and that's the one that the human 8-4 individual level record is only 1 frame away from. The timesave there isnt left+right, it's something like "right, nothing, right, left, right". It's been done a bunch of times at this point but not while also doing everything else in the level perfectly. And for clarity the full game run of this game is still .67 off the no left+right TAS and .9 off the left+right TAS.

[@orex9214]

Your parody on this was more believable then Badabuns

[@Wheatsolo]

Dropping that kosmic knowledge. Couldn't someone macro a L+R input on a modded nes controller? So humans could do those? Or is the timing so silly you'd need multiple macros?

[@joeyadventures1477]

Hello

[@bullseye-]

If I understood any of this, I would probably agree. But i'll still like the comment lmfao

[@victorianomas89]

​@@WheatsoloSome emulators let you check an option so that left + right is possible, so if you really wanted to, you could *technically* perform it. Although emulation is allowed in the leader boards (nes emulation nowadays is essentially 1:1 with original hardware), the use of the "allow left + right" option is forbidden, as it provides and unfair advantage against those who play on console.

[@WolfAeterni]

25:58 Armada scratches his head at the exact same time Kosmic does lmao

[@Victor-Soria]

frame perfect

[@BoaFerox]

I like that your face cam censored the fraudulent runner for most of the video lol

[@Kingof3D_059]

the actual video with the cheater has comments

[@lila2772]

"good players dont cheat to get faster times, they cheat to get (good) times faster". karl said something like this in on of his videos and it gets the point of high level players cheating for PBs across really well mio

[@jadchi]

Yeah, I think he said it in the Dream video

[@jadchi]

Armada, you don't get it. He was able to do the fast acceleration on a regular NES controller because of the grease of the pizza. He is way ahead to his time and nobody is getting it. Underrated strat smh. Nah xD but for real though, as a Spanish speaker, that channel is only watched by middle-age women xD my mom and my aunts really like to watch some of its series. I just don't get why they randomly uploaded something gaming-related. Nevertheless, it is such a work of art as Karl said hahah. The funny thing though, is that people like my mom just don't know it is obviously fake! My aunt told my cousin and I: "Look here! He is able to beat Mario in less than 5 min and I bet you can't!" Tbh, we can't xD but we know he can't either hahah v:

[@shadowbean590]

Badabun se la come xd

[@Gabriel-sd1oh]

Aight, some Badabun context. Badabun is a mexican company that got extremely large in a year or so, trying to reach as much audience as possible with clickbait, pandering towards everyone on the internet at the same time (from grannys and old people to speedruners) and uploading like 30 videos the same day. Their bad things are Principally, that they deleted any video that would ever criticise them (sometimes even trying to shut down their whole youtube channel), scammed and mistreated every youtuber that worked for them, used hella bots to increase their amount of viewership to make their videos more "viral" and, well, shit like this "speedrun" is not even barely as fucked up as the things they've done in the past lucky thing, though, Badabun is irrelevant and, even though they still have a massive number of subscribers, no one really watches their videos anymore

[@jadchi]

Auronplay once showed in a video about Badabun that some of its people there have working positions in KZbin. So, there must be something going on...

[@shadowbean590]

@@jadchi when did auron did that???

[@jadchi]

@@shadowbean590 in one of his videos about Badabun "exponiendo infieles" series. At the beginning of the video he was complaining about how annoying Badabun was becoming and that each time it was harder for him to continue making those videos because of that. Then, he mentioned it; he even showed the Twitter of one of the Badabun guys and how it was connected to Google KZbin.

[@shadowbean590]

@@jadchi I think I watched all of the exponiendo a traviesos series and I don’t remember that

[@jadchi]

@@shadowbean590 I will try to find it, one sec xd

[@BainesMkII]

In regards to thinking he'd get away with it, he likely did get away with it with the vast majority of viewers. Most people watching the video aren't going to know enough or simply pay attention enough to catch even the "obvious" mistakes, and might not bother with the comments section that might question its validity. Worse, anyone who accumulates a fan base is likely to have some number of diehard believers who will doggedly defend the person regardless of evidence. (As has been seen numerous times over the years/decades.)

[@Kosmicd12]

Comments are turned off now, but when they were on one of the most frustrating parts were comments saying it was fake for totally wrong reasons like piranha plant hitboxes lol

[@Pihsrosnec]

@@Kosmicd12 isn't that one of the most well known oddities in the game? Kinda goes to show how bad the acting was that people who knew nothing about the game instinctively realised it was fake lol

[@Kosmicd12]

@@Pihsrosnec no, thats precisely why it was frustrating. Everything else was so horrendous, but there were still many people whose reasoning for it being fake was because they didn't understand piranha plant hitboxes.

[@PotatoToon]

When streamers cheats at CSGO or any other online multiplayer game and gets caught, they never show up ever again online and everyone takes the cheating very seriously and Twitch imposes a multi-day or even permanent ban and... basically life is ruined. But when it comes to speedrunners cheating and getting caught, there is always the excuse that speedrunning is not serious and everyone says it was just for fun and those cheaters always reappears pretty fast and everyone acts like nothing happened. In both examples, cheating in an online multiplayer game and in speedrunning means your rivals are other competitive people that dedicates weeks, months even years to their craft, and you take all of that hard work away from them, use fake gameplay for clout and make a mockery of competitive gaming.

[@psymar]

Well, not always, there's the guy who recently tried to claim $8500 worth of bounties in pokemon red who turned out to have been cheating all his WRs across a half dozen pokemon games for months...

[@PotatoToon]

@@psymar The only times speedrunning cheating is taken seriously is when money is involved. There shouldn't be bounty money for speedrun achievements to begin with. The fact that someone was able to gain trust and snatch 8.5k is ridiculous and shows that without proper verification, bounties should not exist. For bounties to exist in gaming, the game first need a robust anti cheat system and things like hand cam and proper verification of inputs.

[@BaconNuke]

I think the reason many (non-runners) don't take speedrun cheating as serious is because cheating in online games is directly affecting other players, with speedruns they're asynchronous so the only people truly keeping an eye on things are other runners, while online games have regular live viewers, sometimes commentators (if it's an event), and just other people in general actively watching while most times speedrunners (when not livestreamed) are posting videos of the run after the fact and thus if there's a cheater the layman doesn't care as much because they will just see a run after the fact and not understand the stakes as much

[@randyrz5214]

In Latino America everybody dislike badabun, now in all the world xd

[@Zer01211]

His heart rate increases when its the easiest parts and lowers when its the most frame perfect jumps or moves, you can easily tell something is off when their setup is bit too clean

[@FordFourD-aka-Ford4D]

My favorite part is that for most of this video it looks like Armada is wearing a Badabun (lol) shirt, pretending to play SMB lol

[@BeretBay]

He committed the gravest of gaming sins by eating during the run alone.

[@ZombieDragQueen]

That's a premeditated first degree unironic douchebaggery to eat and drink while speedrunning a game in five minutes. You're telling us your body couldn't go for five minutes without food and Coke? I've seen chainsmokers last longer than five minutes between cigarettes. Not even that, he doesn't even bother to learn the edited run to know exactly when he could look cool eating and drinking like it was no biggie.

[@noah.gabaldon]

Karl Jobst has such a sick channel! Recommend all of his stuff!

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

I'm willing to bet the reason Tavo thought he could get away with it, is he was probably banking on the idea that his Mexican audience wouldn't be overtly familiar with English and Japanese speedrunners, and that his channel would be below the radar of the English and Japanese community familiar with the speedruns he stole. He probably just underestimated just how likely it actually was that those two communities had overlap, especially with how many subscribers he had at the time. Also, edit because I'm watching this again some months later. I greatly appreciate that you ended up pausing on a photo of Garret Bobby Fergusen in your BIGGEST CHEATERS video, and while talking about how often cheating happens. I know it was accidental, but it's those little serendipitous things that make life a little more precious lol

[@papagarv]

The best thing about this terrible fake run is Kosmic's parody of it. Definitely worth checking out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH_XmZZ6ft2ZbNk

[@Apocralyph]

Thanks for sharing, I had a good laugh!

[@psymar]

I love how I immediately knew this was Karl Jobst, yet somehow I wasn't subscribed to his KZbin? I have now remedied this omission.

[@psymar]

Two years later, Nielske has achieved a perfect time in 8-4 IL, as well as a perfect run through the end of 8-3. Just needs to put it all together.

[@tomsea5769]

much love armada i love zfg speedrunning and how hes broken ocarina of time. but hes got it rough for 64. its really disheartening actually with nintendos horrible release of the game when it was so much better on every other vritual console. ocarina online has really bad latency i think. but i always learn something when i watch him. suggestion from a fan to a god at melee, id love to see a majoras mask playthrough tbh. either way gg. much love best wishes

[@A-Z-Comunity]

Humans have matched the TAS on every level even the last one

[@Jabadamazo]

Adam you're a legend and whether or not you ever play Melee again that will never change :)

[@potion9595]

If you look closely, you’ll see that Amanda actually stole the footage for this run from Karl Jobst’s video titled The Worst Fake Speedrun on KZbin. What a hypocrite!

[@jazzabighits4473]

Watching my fave smash player review a video of my fave goldeneye player reviewing cheaters in speedrunning. This is 2021 and I'm happy with it

[@OblivionWalkerVerified]

Fun fact. I made a cheated run in honour to what Apollo Legend did in his 10 cheated runs video he made where he spliced a run and submitted it to the SDA forms. Apollo single handedly changed the entire game industry. We will miss you Apollo :(

[@bad-people6510]

Never trust a man with a Harley Quinn poster on his wall.

[@sempaigvd]

0:00 me when I look at my screen and then happen to see my siblings enter my room

[@DIZZY0509]

I never tought armada reacting to a Badabun video lmao

[@5PctJuice]

You literally have to go to 349th place on the current leaderboard to find someone who took a full 5 minutes. The 5m12s runs are all tied for 680th and there's 17 of them. Needless to say, bold of Badabun to use the TAS to fake a speedrun but have the "humility" to only go for a 5:12. That said, it still needs to be pointed out how insane the raw accomplishment here is, fake runs aside. Beating SMB in 5 minutes is something 99.999% of the people who've played it wouldn't even know how to do, let alone be able to pull off. I personally didn't even know you could skip levels before I saw my first SMB speedrun.

[@Raymuk]

Nah this is not a serious attempt to cheat it was only meant to fool everyone that doesnt know about speedrunning

[@XIMCentral]

This guy even stole Armadas EVO victory pop-off Kappa.

[@JKDontJudgeMe]

It's kinda scary that the video I've been watched like 4 times (reaction included) and it's still in my recommended. Plus this is 5. It's like it was a big news and it is still a big news (sounds weird but you may get the idea)

[@aaronbowman7281]

Yeah, I ate pizza when I played Nintendo as a kid. It makes your controller slick. I had to clean and wipe it for a while. Sadly a lot of the world is fake these days.

[@jusanothercooldude]

Armada

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

Is

[@talkgomilk]

My

[@SkeletonSSBM]

@953 JK

[@lorenzo689]

Sus comment section

[@marcorodriguez8792]

You need 🍕 and 🍸 Also, it looks like Armada is playing instead due to the face cam location

[@Spaceman-on9cg]

Cheating at this level is very serious. It takes thousands of hours of playing the same thing over and over again to simply gain the foundation to one day possibly get this good. Often negatively impacting the lives and emotional states of these speedrunners. It's called a "grind" because it will grind you into dust if you let it. These jokers have decided that they are exempt from that hell and simply steal all that time, adversity, and accomplishment from others. I've met leeches that I respect more than these humans.

[@Runescapedocumentary]

what i think what happened with the super mario guy is : douchey famous youtuber wants his next million pesos idea -> tells editor what his idea is because offcourse he doesnt edit his own videos -> underpaid editor actually has respect for the speedrunning community and throws together something so terrible spliced together he would know it would be immediately obvious to anyone who has actually done the run before

[@peto_yepeto2348]

nos hacen quedar mal hasta con Armada

[@seantaggart7382]

I see you have a razer chair! Nice choice

[@emilioroman9853]

Badabun its actual thrash

[@nestorgraciano3316]

Badabum is well know to steal content from other chanels to make they shity vídeos That one is just one of the many trash they try make (And some people say those suscribers and views are bots)

[@fantasticdavidson1179]

I honestly dont care for ones justification to cheat are lie they do this because in the end they desired to do this and beyond that i dont need an explanation for the justified reasons they come up with

[@Neuromancerism]

With the bit i know about cheating in speedrunning and how that can be detected i do wonder if i ever was to pick up speedrunning and have a power outage so my UPS takes over (and i have previously finished games with other people in Archipelago multiworld randos while my power was out, so far from out of the question... Nor are 12 hour long outages, not down here. Thats rare, sure, but it does happen. No, my UPS obviously cant keep my PC running for 12 hours) if that would make me suspicious. I mean, i dont think id be competetive in any relevant game, theres one game i grew up with which has very low activity of that kind to the point that i could if i wanted to probably snag up a record in one category... Though, if i play with mic, youd here the beeping from the UPS as it switches in, so...

[@blake7587]

Shout out to Karl Jobst!

[@grapesoftime]

Speedrunning's biggest cheater(s) I guess lol

[@JacobCash420]

Apparently a KZbin channel with 42M subs is not allowed to create parody speedruns of course the virgin speedrun community would take it seriously

[@hugobendethemagicgamendo]

It's a actor in pixel movie

[@patriciofuster1683]

hey LGR!

[@PomadaGaming]

My man this is probably the third video i watched from you. This happened like 7 years ago

[@ThePsho]

It's a shame that Badabun is such garbage, because this speed run would have otherwise been hilarious if it were intended as satire.

[@christophercarrion9725]

lamentable badabun

[@Aizaia5]

Yooo

[@claypetrosky5674]

I have a 5:10 lol. Beat tavo

[@toxicpoizon]

5th

[@graphiraphi6812]

First?

[@johnrowloff5661]

ngl you sound kinda elitist about speed running as if not just anyone can show up and start performing there have been cases of proven runs before where people not in the top current runners shows up and blows them out of the water so to say other wise especially in this day and age of gaming is little off to me, also that all being said everyone starts as a no body so for anyone to just disregard someone since there not someones favorite again seems elitist

[@ThePsho]

I don't think he was saying newcomers can't compete. He was saying that a submission from an unknown runner will be met with more skepticism than a submission from an established runner. If a submission from an unknown runner is proven to be legit, they have no problem acknowledging it. It's not elitism. It's skepticism. Properly applied skepticism.

[@johnrowloff5661]

@@ThePsho ok... Not exactly what I was talking about more about the way he spoke about speed running as if only select people can accomplish it was more so what bugged me unless you have a handicap you can compete simple as that it's a game not that hard or serious even at the "elite levels"

[@ThePsho]

@@johnrowloff5661 ah gotcha, that's fair. I missed that part. What's the timestamp in the video where he says only select people can accomplish it? I'll rewatch that part and retract my point.

[@johnrowloff5661]

@@ThePsho tbh i dont really care to rewatch to try and find it i said my piece and if you disagree or agree thats up to you

[@ThePsho]

@@johnrowloff5661 that's fair too. Just wanted to give you a chance to cite the source you were referring to.

[@originalgreatdouchebag2866]

still using invincibly cheats lol