10 Speedrunners Who Were Caught Cheating

10 Speedrunners Who Were Caught Cheating
Todd Rogers Featured in WSJ: www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...
Twin Galaxies Dragster Leaderboard: www.twingalaxies.com/game_deta...
Darbian's REAL 5.57 Dragster Run: • (5.57) Dragster speedr...
The 35-Year Record: Solving Atari Dragster: www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/com...
Omnigamer's Dragster Sim: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Todd's Interview w/ Kotaku: kotaku.com/doubt-and-drama-st...
Dispute Filed Against Todd on Twin Galaxies: www.twingalaxies.com/showthrea...
Todd Rogers Playing Dragster: • Todd Rogers Playing Dr...
Todd's Fake 5.54 Post: atariage.com/forums/topic/3415...
Retro's Video on Cheating in Speedrunning: • Cheating in Speedrunni...
GothicLogic Exposes holymoly2207: docs.google.com/document/d/1r...
holymoly2207's Spliced Run: • Video
One of TSA's Spliced Runs: • Video
TSA's Runs Removed From SDA (you can find his response here): forum.speeddemosarchive.com/p...
One of TSA's Splices: • Dat Splice (aka TSA is...
GoronGuy Admits His 5:19 Majora's Mask Run Was Faked: / goron_guy_admits_his_5...
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Henning's Spliced Frigate SA Run: • GoldenEye 007 (N64) - ...
Henning Removed From The-Elite: Henning Blom has been removed from the Goldeneye Rankings
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A Brief History of Cheating & Faked Speedruns in Goldeneye & Perfect Dark: • History of Cheating & ...
"I would really prefer if you'd be quiet": • "I would really prefer...
Chibi Cheated Summary by YetiHype: • Chibi CHEATED?!? - A s...
YetiHype Answers Questions about Chibi: • Video
FLYING's Fake GTA:SA Run: • Video
KZ Exposes FLYING: • The 4:01:13 San Andrea...
New Way of Detecting Splices in Super Meat Boy: / new_way_for_detecting_...
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[@TheRealCptObvious1]

The people who can detect these cheats need to investigate murders wtf

[@voteZDLR]

I'd say that'd be a more responsible use of their uhhh... "talents". I honestly don't know how they have the time to watch all these runs, let alone with such an eye for detail they'd see this sort of thing.

[@sethtaros7757]

- Forensic Files: The False Speedrun

[@sheriffaboubakar9720]

voteZDLR I doubt they'd even bother watching and analyzing a speedrun for cheating if it isn't in the top 10 times.

[@voteZDLR]

@@sheriffaboubakar9720 I guess

[@BreaksFast]

@@sheriffaboubakar9720 No socialised human being would bother analyzing a speedrun, period.

[@DucksandDepression]

I love how someone in chat could instantly, with his naked caveman eyeball and without checking a recording tell that a jump wasn't frame-perfect.

[@fluffy7358]

That man probably has spent more time trying to get that run then the time it took Valve to make TF2. I'm pretty sure it's burnt into his brain at this point.

[@med8615]

even by watching the video it's pretty easy to see mario begin to lose height, isn't that hard

[@fukkthisnewupdate8882]

UZ my thoughts exactly

[@pokemaster123ism]

Never doubt weaponized autism

[@ROYBGP]

Naked caveman eyeball? Lmao

[@tammytheranger7645]

People: **exposes the cheaters** Speedrun cheaters: I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.

[@stygian5309]

Lol. Nice SpongeBob reference.

[@misplaced2277]

Love it

[@zgossara5361]

This made me laugh too much my neck hurts badly

[@cm5g]

this made me laugh so hard, want some chocolate rn, maybe with nuts

[@nutelllla_]

@@cm5g im scared

[@opalander]

"You cheated on a speedrun." Him: "I was born at a very young age."

[@peggyUSLife]

i don't get it

[@datfirstthingis]

晶彩世界Peggy Him: “I was *born at a very young age*”

[@benhuang2773]

The floor here is made of floor.

[@APCDraw]

At age 6 I was born without a face

[@roysrevengefgcofficial1508]

Lmboooooooooooooooooo

[@xRoyx34212]

“Gets exposes for fake speedruns” His explination: I had depression at the age of 15

[@anthonyhutchins676]

Sounds like hes talking to chris hansen

[@ars7374]

East Coast Rider seems legit

[@someguylostontheinternet4504]

Just Because you feel bad to yourself it doesn't mean you can cheat in a speedrun! if you want to cheat in games,do it offline and DON'T Upload the run!

[@ars7374]

Sanicbiscuit exactly

[@phantomvirus7367]

Explination? Really? Lol

[@mocacola]

I like how one of the biggest speedrunning scandals is based on a game where you just tap left on a controller

[@evioli7089]

Almost 69 likes

[@samirjohnson4524]

LPSP what's with this 69 stuff?

[@1989Ezal]

@@samirjohnson4524 cause of the sexual practice.

[@samirjohnson4524]

@@1989Ezal FR!?

[@ericbeilmann3649]

@@BajaToxic I hope you just didn't tell an 8 year old to look up something questionable.

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

11:08 “That didn’t seem right. I’m accusing you of cheating.” “You’re right. I cheated and I’m admitting it.” “Thank you.” Lol what universe is this

[@Annoeth]

The best one.

[@user-hd2lw2xp9y]

Canada

[@charKT-7461]

The universe of common sense.

[@diegosep.4201]

It's a quick mistery from rick and morty. Who did it? I DID here's the knife with all the blood on it.

[@sicuw1773]

Just two npcs having a conversation in oblivion

[@ketimportatopo3471]

2014: fake "the legend of zelda" speedruns 2020: fake "american dad intro" speedrun

[@gamermapper]

2000 : super Mario 64 and super Mario bros speedruns 2020 : super Mario 64 and super Mario bros speedruns

[@CaptainBlack47]

Fake? Wait, what? You mean to tell me American Dad isn’t on the GameCube and N64?

[@peternuggett8324]

The American Dad intro speedruns are real, what are you talking about?

[@thetopicwarden8926]

Who would have the audacity to fake an American Dad Intro Speedrun

[@cb-99]

@@thetopicwarden8926 Billy Mitchell, probably.

[@lactate]

I actually have clinical depression and anxiety. Taking 2 different drugs for it and about to be prescribed a third. Guess it's time to fake a speed run.

[@wizardninja2081]

gamer moment

[@why-qz6zq]

I attempted suicide better fake a speedrun

[@gyphryphobia]

Nobody cares loser

[@harbear7325]

@@gyphryphobia edgy

[@user-fr9sm3it1k]

WizardNinja I know you can get the world record!

[@bagelpenguin6499]

nobody: Speedrun cheaters: "It all started on the day of my birth, both of my parents failed to show up."

[@keeganstormblade5456]

Phineas and Ferb!

[@_R_R_R]

Poor doof

[@nota13xx]

Doofenshmirtz

[@beefboss1853]

I still wonder what was going through the doctors head during the delivery

[@VerySwearyFairy]

@@beefboss1853 The glass from the test tube probably, they saw the future and offed themselves...

[@marjohnbuncio2782]

Todd was like a kid caught with his hands in the cookie jar, and saying the cookie jar went to his hand.

[@uberlord983]

Ok, that's probably the funniest analogy of Todd Rogers I've ever heard.

[@kyles.8332]

It makes sense, you have to take into account the human element of how the jar would respond.

[@mychannelisdiedbyyoutube9632]

In his defense, the person who caught him wasn't there.

[@dumbasswithinternetconnect1611]

If any part of you happens to be in my mouth, it's you're own fault, pie! Homer simpson

[@carlosrocha9897]

"When I was 15 I started having depression issues" Yeah okay, but what tf does that have to do with cheating in a VIDEO GAME?

[@bobbytherossy1257]

Moment of silence for our brother. RIP Apollo. You were a legend.

[@sheepastley]

RIP.

[@sheepastley]

@Roth Asta Tf is wrong with you?

[@bobmarobs8376]

What happened to him?

[@marioacevedo355]

@@bobmarobs8376 he killed himself nearly a year ago

[@riptechnoblade1836]

Were? More like Is.

[@Jedwint]

Update: holymoly2207 deleted his run.

[@derpyfish0179]

Thoeny65 I think he deleted his channel 👀

[@smokyroom5725]

Thoeny65 holy moly!

[@BC-so5ub]

Haha

[@Annihilasian]

@DerpyFish01 he changed the name lol

[@vietthanh8847]

Link to his channel please

[@loudejesus5973]

He had the balls to commit to an interview, the least you could've done was hold back on the "dirty cheater" comment.

[@Nesque]

There is also the fact that it was 10 years ago, and the guy makes youtube videos about speedrunning to this day. According to his history it makes sense that he just wanted to bring attention to it, so I really wish he'd get SOME recognition for that.

[@loudejesus5973]

I don't think he did this to discredit the guy, it may have just been lazy writing. I just think he should've given the guy the benifit of the doubt before dissmissing him as a cheater and nothing else.

[@theblacknexus9604]

He's a dirty cheater.

[@danielhernandez2575]

Dude whitegoose is an anti-semitic piece of shit.

[@SilentSputnik]

@@danielhernandez2575 No he isn't. He's an awesome guy

[@219ms]

Apollo Legend. The name that will be remembered by the speedrunning community as one of the best speedrunning youtubers in the history. Rest in Peace.

[@Death.Died0]

what happened?

[@ricardoloera-contreras1289]

@@Death.Died0 He committed suicide

[@spilledmilk4801]

@@Death.Died0, He speedran life.

[@qwertyzxcvbn3174]

@@spilledmilk4801 Jesus Christ

[@jhboomstudioz7201]

@@spilledmilk4801 lol

[@rumeru905]

this was the first apollo video i ever watched, i remember getting it in my recommended one day and it really helped me discover speedrunning and even pour some time into the hobby myself. so saddened to hear about what happened. RIP

[@octogecko]

Same bro. I'll really miss the guy.

[@kizuki8962]

Same I just found out that he died

[@Cat-yx7xc]

@@kizuki8962 LOL

[@kizuki8962]

@@Cat-yx7xc tf

[@landmine121]

@@Cat-yx7xc The hell is your problem? Why would you even laugh at something like this? This is heartbreaking.

[@GlutesEnjoyer]

the amount of forensic work it takes and eye for incredibly minute detail tells me there's some talent in the speedrunning community that's being underutilized...

[@skill_challenge8761]

Tony C Tru

[@skill_challenge8761]

Tony C Gaggedw

[@thundaga1009]

I'm pretty sure there's already a name for it: weaponized autism

[@ProGraMmer562]

So much wasted talent

[@christianvandegraaf9844]

Kind of like a group of people using star charts, plane route mapping and the background noise of frogs to find a flag.

[@MULTIAPPLECATZRULEMLP]

If you want to fake a speedrun, at least make sure it's possible.

[@adeade3978]

but it is possible...if you take in account the human factor

[@Warhawk-kf9mx]

Multiapplecat Todd Rogers is beyond human feasibility, you cannot comprehend the Marvel of his playing.

[@sallybarnard2998]

The issue is the game is not a human element. It's code and will always behave in the same way given the same input. All possible Imputs were tested and that time was not possible

[@murrfeeling]

I beat Half-Life 3 in 4 hours, 2 minutes, 45 seconds. NEW WORLD RECORD.

[@TheAnonapersons]

@@murrfeeling I beat it in 10 mins

[@ninjaandocean3345]

“You’re cheating, you spliced your run” “I have depression”

[@rufusgreenleaf2466]

"Right then, in that case lead on"

[@yoyospinnr5481]

bro i literally found this channel about 7 hours ago, what the actual fuck, rip

[@ianofarrell7829]

Same here these videos showed up on my suggestions and by sheer curiosity I happened upon the news in this comment section. I hope his family and friends find peace he seemed to be a decent guy.

[@LuigiaTV]

I did not cheat, it's bullshit, I did not cheat, I did naaaaaaht.

[@totaldestruction152]

LuigiaTV "Oh hi Marc"

[@drekthgrek5896]

What a story

[@Rilex037]

anyway, how is your sex life?

[@moonkms8932]

Everybody betray me! I'm fed up with this world

[@sunbro8295]

LuigiaTV oh hi Apollo

[@glatres]

-Bro I caught you, this is not a speedrun, you were cheating! Anything to say? -Well yeah at the age of 15 I suffered from depression.

[@Lacusto]

"You banged my wife, anything to say before you get an ass-whopping?" " Well yeah, at the age of 15 I suffered from depression."

[@acoggaming2667]

Mycroft Lannister You are accused with the charges of raping the Queen of England. Anything to say for yourself? Well yeah at the age of 69 i suffered from depression.

[@xtrashocking]

Bro, you murdered this dude! - Yeah well, at age 15 I suffered from depression

[@ClockworkEn]

"I was born with glass arms and paper skin...during the day i break my legs. At night, i break my arms."

[@flakkthegamer9646]

GLa TRES oh well that makes everything fine sorry for that

[@dragami1607]

*Get caught cheating* Excuse: "I was born on my birthday"

[@SDFTDusername]

so you where born when you where dead

[@TheBonkleFox]

people die when they are killed.

[@Moosh_]

I wasn’t born on my birthday can I legally fake sppedruns

[@YuyuuChan]

"You cheated!!" "In my defense, neither of my parents were there when I was born. :("

[@Balen-]

HAHA HOW LOLZ

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

shut up your not dr doof not admit it you cheated. (my responce to if someone tryed to use that bullshit on me its like what my grandfather said "you cant bullshit a bullshiter")

[@kevinrobinson6601]

the guy with the joystick in the beginning reminds me of my brother whenever he screwed up on guitar hero, "CLEARLY IT ISN'T CALIBRATED CORRECTLY!"

[@DimebagDerekS]

This can be a real thing though. There are also guitars that double strum when you flick it once if not pinching the clicker. The calibration is super important when you are trying to stretch and get an optimal score. It's not like you couldn't adjust if it is slightly off, but if using sound cues that you are used to hearing on your setup, you will miss stretches consistently if you don't calibrate.

[@kevinrobinson6601]

@@DimebagDerekS oh I know it can be real....but it wasn't happening every single time lol

[@cantin8697]

Sometimes one of the buttons on my dad's guitar hero controller don't work, then I must wait for it to work. It's really annoying when it's a real issue but luckily I don't think it happened in the middle of the song, only at the start.

[@cantin8697]

Well actually it was annoying during online play

[@heartofjustice6041]

guitar hero the new one? i played the old ones for years smash hit metallica 3 etc until my guitar died from abuse even then i still did it, i loved hearing the music it was my poor mans mp3 there you go my life story your welcome

[@SimpleFlips]

Still never been caught yahooooooo

[@pokemaster10945]

SimpleFlips outshouts to pimple tits

[@bungholethrombosis]

Shoutout to simpleflips

[@enzo20bc10]

Speedrunners hate him

[@jtjackdog2]

SimpleFlips I bet if we look at the bups, we’ll find the inconsistencies

[@NoobhunterSigma7]

FIRST TRY, IDIOT

[@thezbrown1988]

RIP Apollo. It’s crazy that I had his videos stuck in my head all week leading up to everything. Sleep well, Sir.

[@siddhayak]

Have watched this one video somehow multiple times over the past few years, thank you for making the content you did Apollo, we will miss you. Rest in piece bud.

[@Kinzsters172]

"When I was 15 I started having depression issues" Yeah okay, but what tf does that have to do with cheating in a VIDEO GAME?

[@justinhopkins626]

Im not saying this to be an excuse of any kind. But i think it's a seek of congratulations of sorts

[@MarkyPaligs]

@@justinhopkins626 That's pretty low.

[@fakefirstnamefakelastname8305]

MarkyPaligs And the person behind it must have been pretty high. Actually I shouldn’t have even posted this

[@olivebranch7769]

@Hulk Hogan This coming from the guy with the Hulk Hogan pfp.

[@user-tw1pm6nr5e]

@@olivebranch7769 no u

[@AegisRick]

I'm not interested in the cheaters, but more so the detectives. That Super meat boy one was absurd

[@RichterVonFuchs]

Then you'll love the detective work that went into figuring out a run is spliced in a link to the past. goo.gl/cLqAbm

[@chris-hayes]

RichterVonFuchs interesting read, thanks

[@DUNGEONEERS]

hyyyoooo what is up Rick

[@grlmgor]

Funny thing is if they had decent editing skill they would never get caught.

[@XoxeroThePoet]

There was a video I watched where a speedrunner showed how he thinks when he plays a game. A lot of speedrunners (or at least, the ones watching record runs and participating in the communities) watch people playing games frame-by-frame paying attention to the smallest details because that's the way they play their games for their speedruns. If something doesn't seem right, they pick it up and can determine what's wrong pretty quickly while the average non speedrunner wouldn't realize something was amiss. That's my theory anyway.

[@username.subject.to.change]

Rest in Peace man. I’m devastated to hear you’re really gone. Thank you for everything you’ve done for us.

[@oxidiot]

Man, I remember watching your videos back then, you brought me so much joy. It sucks that it had to end this way. Lived up to your name, RIP Apollo Legend.

[@zentazym1]

There should be speed splice runs to see how fast someone can get footage for a speedrun, edit it, and get it verified. That's taking speedrun cheating to an art.

[@euducationator]

Vladimir Putin we need to go deeper.

[@NerdbanditRS]

lmfao i would gild this if reddit

[@primordialchaos3647]

That is an amazing idea!

[@Mngalahad]

*inception sound effect*

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Spliced TAS runs... is that even a thing?

[@dripfreefpv9695]

My Gramps was a big golfer. He told me a story of how he was 1 stroke off a P.B. He chose to lie and tell his golfing buds he had finally done it. A few weeks later he legitimately hit that same score. He was surprised at how much better it felt when he actually hit this score only this time he couldn't brag he had to keep it to himself since he already lied about it. That story always stuck with me. And since he told me that the idea of cheating just seems silly. These are games were talking about and you play them to achieve personal goals. Lying, cheating just seems sad when you see it that way.

[@NoriMori1992]

I like this story.

[@tubewatcher97]

me roo

[@EtherealQuote]

Well people do that for """""fun""""", ofcourse to nobody else it's fun and seems really pointless and stupid but some people just like dicking around on dead online games with cheats for some reason. I still play the old CoDs every now and then and see them a lot, and this is the reason they seem to have, as a form of dumb trolling. Sometimes they're really funny people who just don't care about the game, although I don't think that justifies ruining others' experience. But then some of them genuinely want to pretend they're really good at some dead game, so it's stupid either way

[@anonymousmc7727]

Tony Matarrese tru dat

[@jaysonedson]

overclockeador You're talking about Unreal Tournament aren't you

[@Radioleg.v]

rest easy, man

[@sammitaylor3942]

RIP Apollo, you done well in helping us with learning about cheaters

[@mandridhugh9555]

Alright fine youtube, you've had this video sitting in the sidebar for months so I'm finally watching it now!

[@MattBailz]

Mandrid Hugh very much the same for me.

[@DestinyFaux]

Right, after it sitting there for so long I caved. Just had to get rid of it finally.

[@kewlkatzklub982]

I've pressed the 'not interested' action multiple times over the entire course of this videos existence and STILL it won't leave my sights!

[@damiendelacruz728]

Mandrid Hugh same

[@mfgaming550]

Mandrid Hugh same

[@LarusFotia]

"There we go, guys. I am now a verified cheater." Well, at least you deleted the run.

[@zwatssecondchannel8825]

Hey, gotta test the system to find bugs.

[@LarusFotia]

Zwataketa, The Aspy Gamer Yeah, I understand that to be honest.

[@CoolHandMikeYT]

Nice. That was amusing.

[@shelvacu]

Larus McMahon No, he showed a video of him deleting a run. This video has made me very skeptical of video evidence, including that.

[@LarusFotia]

shelvacu Oof, you're right. Didn't even thought of that.

[@FearlessFlaw]

Who comes back here to watch these videos. This was definitely top investigation and quality journalism. RIP Apollo Legend. You are definitely missed.

[@gungy_vt]

"Sir, can you show how you're able to get this time that others claim is impossible?" "I would, but the sun is on my controller and the screen is too sweaty, I need a better console as well, because this one is just too heavy to play on, and the cameras make the game function slower, it's just not possible to do on camera, or in front of people, or in interviews."

[@xord1946]

It's stupid cause MAYBE he could get away with it with trying and not succeeding because obviously just because you establish a world record doesn't mean you can easily do it again. Using these pathetic excuses makes it only more suspicious.

[@jamesgrey785]

Never trust a 50 year old man with a ponytail

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

In a different life he could have been Ron Jeremy... but video games ruined it for him.

[@bloon0]

😂

[@sirroxalot]

Never trust a 50 year old who still plays video games. Time to put the toys away.

[@iii-ei5cv]

never trust a ... man with a ponytail

[@robinlarsson6498]

never trust a young person wasting his precious youth commenting about some old guy and his toys.

[@Jacob.DTorres]

Idk i kinda respect the guy that actually accepted the interview

[@NoeLPZC]

Goose is a good guy now (and he makes awesome KZbin vids at RWhiteGoose), he was just a dumb, angsty teen then. Sinking hundreds of hours of grinding into a single level only to get pipped by someone else, feelsbadman. I think he might've been having personal problems at the time too. He owned up to faking after only a week (can't remember if he was caught or just came clean though) so he's at least taking responsibility.

[@katkatkatomg]

Hype 420 how you gonna believe that bs? 'Yes I cheated so they took drastic action, it was devil's advocate, I'm a good guy really!!' Lol, sure mate

[@NoeLPZC]

Katja Senpai Go to his YT channel: RWhiteGoose. He has two (long) videos in which he addresses the subject: one about the history of cheating at The Elite and one about the "lore" of the Frigate level (both fantastic videos). He's right that, at the time, proof moderation was a shitshow, and he was fighting for better standards even at that time, but I don't believe those were his primary reasons for cheating. He was just being a drama queen. That said, this all happened 11 years ago when he was still a teenager, it was only one time (unlike Henning), and he owned up to it shortly after. Everyone did dumb shit when they were a teenager, but if you judge him as the man he is now you'll see he's a good guy.

[@facefister69]

He also saved my son Ben from drowning, he's a good boi. People make mistakes, you can't just lord that over them for the rest of their lives. Even if what he said sounded a bit iffy, he has done a lot for the speedrunning community since then and has redeemed himself.

[@maurice4348]

Yeah me too, he gives a very open and honest story. Meanwhile this dude that runs the youtube channel apollo legend constantly shits on _everyone_ in the video, even the guy who appears in it for the interview and then he wonders why no-one will show up for his """""""interviews""""""""

[@fizzie2301]

Rest In Peace, Apollo. I’m gonna miss you.

[@TheRedHaidaraaaaa]

Rest in peace. This was the first video I've ever watched from Apollo but I ended up watching many of them after. Goodnight. Legend.

[@YugiohClubYT]

#1 Verified Cheater: Apollo Legend *insert Trust No One Not Even Yourself meme*

[@DalekWho1963]

can we trust squidwards house?

[@dirteater2446]

Nope

[@spectrelex3051]

Yes.

[@NotJustSomeGuy]

😐🔫😐 Here it is in aids emotes

[@GoldenHay1]

he right doe. especially don't trust people who try talking you into not trusting your own healthy doubts. those are the ones who ram a knife into your back, when you least expect it.

[@BayandurPogosyan]

The "checkerboard pattern" is also known as "jpeg compression artifacts", often used to check if an image was photomanipulated or not.

[@quintoncameron4725]

Bayandur Pogosyan why do people wanna cheat so fucking much At everything

[@zhengyingli]

@@quintoncameron4725 Because they want the clout instead of just enjoying the art of speedrunning.

[@DaBonkinator]

I think that could also be faked though, if you're dedicated enough.

[@BayandurPogosyan]

@@DaBonkinator too much effort, tbh. Anything you do at that point will be destructive to the image and can result in other signs that the image has been tampered with.

[@BayandurPogosyan]

@@quintoncameron4725 well, when I started playing multiplayer games back in the 90s, I found out I wasn't as good as I thought I would be against real people. I've written, as a journalist, on the problem of MMO games - when all are exceptional, nobody really is. It is hard to be faced with the prospect of never being the best in a field, especially when you're this close. So people either do it the hard way - "git good" - or take a shortcut: fake it. So it's mostly about wanting to be special. As zhengyingli justly stated, the art and science of speedrunning were less important to them than being special.

[@crossroads2361]

Rest In Peace Apollo. You shouldn’t have gone this way.

[@andrewwinslow9315]

goodbye good sir. We will miss your commentary. To the family, I love you, and I grieve with you

[@Lestweforgot]

Goose admitted within a week to his spliced run and then came back and helped write the new proof policy standards for the elite. In fact he was the one who caught Henning's frigate 1:00 run, which at that time was an untied record for almost two years.

[@NoeLPZC]

He sure did. I love his SpeedLore.

[@siphy9335]

Wow. It’s cool when people are able to fess up and turn around like that. Humility can be a good thing!

[@manguy01]

That's so Goose. rofl. In every way

[@desyncer]

He pretty much cheated on purpose to prove a point. Same with why Apollo made this video and cheated a spliced run to prove a point.

[@NoeLPZC]

IIRC he didn't cheat to prove a point (though he did think the proof standards sucked), he cheated because he'd sunk so many hours into the level and felt he "earned" the record (knowing he COULD get it despite never ACTUALLY getting it). It was legit, childish cheating, but he's learned his lesson.

[@brandonjohnson4121]

"I admit it. I cheated." "I believe it was an honest mistake." Uh, what?

[@MrtinVarela]

Maybe he meant "it was honestly a mistake" which still doesn't fix anything, but yeah.

[@Pleasestoptalkingthanks]

Maybe they meant it in the sense that it was a mistake in judgement? I don’t defend them either way. Cheating is deplorable.

[@w1llums575]

Chibi is kind of a weird dude in the speed running community. I think Apollo is kind of taking pity on him for all the shit he takes.

[@FourLetterGT]

Brandon Johnson a mistake is not an accident, a mistake is misguided judgment.

[@NeverZitrone]

Ye mistake = bad take, SW(is)M is right.

[@SouLvuR]

The video that introduced me to the speed running community I’m grateful for that may you Rest In Peace.

[@SHAP00PIE]

This is the video that got me into speed running and that community. Rest In Peace, Legend.

[@NatetheKindaOK]

How is intentionally cheating an "honest mistake"?

[@MGlBlaze]

And indeed, knowingly passing off a segmented run as a single-segment run. If they actually submitted them as segmented runs then nobody would have had a problem. No 'honest mistakes' in sight.

[@Berschkaka]

Nate the Great he probably meant it as in "cheating was an honest mistake" as in it was stupid to do and he regrets it but idk oof

[@golden-sun]

exactly, i didnt like hearing that cause in the video he speaks down on all the other runners for cheating but when chibi does it? nah honest mistake hes a cool guy

[@ericforsyth]

my name jeff Agree wholeheartedly. That comment made me cringe, shocked there aren’t more comments about it here.

[@connorgillispie7128]

Nate the Great It was a mistake in judgement you fucking idiot

[@prisonicmira]

“The joystick is broken” “My computer is broken” “I don’t have enough storage on my computer or camera” *what did technology ever do to you.*

[@bread8159]

Idkthatgirl23 technology lives matter

[@TonyMcCrea]

Idkthatgirl23 You forgot about depression at the age of 15

[@troywright359]

Tony McCrea his computers running slow, at 15 years old maybe it's got depression

[@mytvchannellock]

Fkn lag

[@jannikheidemann3805]

But can it run Crysis?

[@boy1da81]

5 years later, this video is still great. RIP Apollo

[@davyberson90]

Rest in peace, Apollo. You're no longer suffering.

[@chef6633]

Respect to the guy who actually admitted it and didn’t make a excuse he’s just straight up admitted it

[@Kyle_Schaff]

*Zephyr* I don’t know. He made some kind of “for the greater good” excuse. That he cheated to save the website

[@fukkthisnewupdate8882]

Kyle Schaff Devil's Advocate is a legitimate reason

[@justindowling4143]

"Im a verified Cheater" LMFAO

[@mayravixx25]

I mean, at least he's honest about it.

[@ENT_PRESTIGIOUS]

true

[@totenlaKiet]

he was testing the system, so big props to him :)

[@0x777]

Hey, I made a job out of that! :)

[@LeRoyJenkins555]

Man, this video got me interested in speed running years ago. Thank you, RIP

[@FlowerHaze]

still one of my favourite videos, been coming back to it ever since I first watched it. gonna miss this man a lot.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

10:32 "Chibi is best known for his couch commentary at SGDQ 2014..." *APPLY COLD WATER TO BURNED AREA.*

[@auraguardianred4771]

Its always called couch commentary at GDQ. It wasn't a burn...

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

@@auraguardianred4771 Have you *seen* Chibi's couch commentary at SGDQ 2014? I assure you, it's a burn.

[@oscarm6990]

@@auraguardianred4771 I would really prefer if you'd be quiet.

[@ahmadkazan7994]

It's no use.The damage is already done.

[@digitalgamer457]

I cheated on my slow run. I accidentally ran.

[@ABHyt]

Damn bro

[@SpookaySpctr]

Digital Gamer underrated.

[@rubeusphantom8705]

I feel like this is a PeanutButterGamer reference

[@diskdem0n]

how DARE you!

[@wrice]

god the news of his suicide hit me hard RIP dude 💔

[@bc_7644]

Huh

[@NEELZE99]

@@bc_7644 He took his own life on December 30, 2020

[@bc_7644]

@@NEELZE99 Sorry I'm unaware of the event, who killed themself?

[@adrienbrody6778]

@@bc_7644 Apollo did

[@bc_7644]

@@adrienbrody6778 yep, I read up about it since my comment. Tragic end

[@mittinman]

We miss you big homie!!

[@mugglesmonster]

At least Goose admits it and is willing to talk about it. Whereas everyone else tries to justify it.

[@Jesujej]

sad apologist

[@DivineDarknesss]

he does justify it though.

[@mugglesmonster]

Lando Well I suppose that's true, but I feel like he had a better explanation than "oh I have a crappy pc"

[@prawnwizard6366]

I don't think he justifies it he just explains his reasoning and thought process behind it at the time. He was one of the main people who was trying to get cheaters banned from the leaderboards entirely so I doubt he thinks he was justified.

[@CitrusZero]

Goose is legit a chill guy.

[@audiomanwithaudioplan964]

I love the fact that some of the speedrunners actually admitted to cheating because of good sportsmanship.

[@renbiscotti1514]

It does end up making me respect them a slight bit more then if they claim it wasn't cheating when it clearly was

[@justarandomlol]

Or they just don't care about it because they are now grown up and have better stuff to do than cheating records for a game lol

[@bhull242]

Chang Ye Either way, it shows that they are willing to admit wrongdoing and have no intention of doing it again. Whether it’s out of noble intent or not, it’s still a nice touch.

[@syweb2]

@S H I Ω I N G You can develop good sportsmanship after doing something stupid, my guy.

[@sakuraogami6885]

why are you people so naive and soft, they’d do it again in a heartbeat.

[@semisemicoloncolon]

Rest In Peace.

[@TheLazyJAK]

You will be missed.

[@moth.monster]

speedrunner caught cheating ON THEIR WIFE during a speedrun

[@juliansjeandawsonarchive]

erica *ON THEIR WIFE*

[@ac31048]

Wife cheating on a cheating speedrunner.

[@jewishnazi6400]

*in the hood* *gone wrong*

[@tmaz85]

Speedrunner cheating on speedrunning cheating on wife cheating on husband cheating on cheating cheating cheetos

[@marcogutierrez54]

tmaz85 saying that out loud made me laugh so fuckin hard omfg

[@GarArtStudios]

The RWhiteGoose guy is cool all around and it's way more respectable that a guy would admit cheating and openly talk about it, but I did feel like he tried to start playing the "hero" card there at the end by saying that part of his reasons for cheating was to exploit how wonky of a verification system it was. I just don't know how much I believe that.

[@1yasin6]

i would stay not believing at ALL. if he wanted to exploit the system he would tell that his cheated time got accepted right after it. that like trying to rob a bank and after being busted saying something like: " i only wanted to show how weak the security system is. you can't act like i am a real bank rober

[@mattvp2179]

Yep

[@planescaped]

So many speedrunners who cheat have the lamest, most pathetic excuses. But RWhiteGoose is still in the Goldeneye speedrunning community. A speedrunning community that has had a lot of issues with cheaters and been surprisingly forgiving as well. He by all accounts has gone legit, doesn't make his excuse seem less suspect though. XD

[@RonPaul42069]

Shame about the whole hating Jews thing.

[@shis1988]

@@RonPaul42069 and people of color. And disabled. And...

[@navaryn2938]

props to the guy owning to his mistake and showing up to the interview

[@elianjoensen2756]

didn’t he say that he did it to show how easy it is to cheat, because that sounds like one big excuse

[@dafuqYT]

Watch Karl Jobst video on the same subject. The true story is way different than what he told Apollo. The community had a period where they could tell if they had faked runs after he got first exposed and didn't come out that more were faked. The world record may be legit but in the aftermath many more of his runs were found to be fake.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1261]

"Something doesn't doesn't seem right, i'm accusing you of cheating" "You're right, both were faked" "Thank you" Welcome to Canada

[@angusyoungwannabe1897]

@ierdnA adrecaL yea same dude

[@jinglefart]

as a canadian i can confirm

[@melaniefeher1609]

as a canadian observer i‘m happy to dropship the last like for your comment to reach the 200

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1261]

@@melaniefeher1609 thank you

[@trendrekt8363]

*Paranoia in the speedrunning community intensifies*

[@Xallisto1]

its like the digital version of doping.

[@whiskeytastelikewater3003]

Okay KZbin. I watched it. Happy?

[@ayylmaotv]

Hello I am a representative from the KZbin heroes program. Since this video is popular it will be in your recommended feed for many weeks. Enjoy!

[@itwontcomeout5678]

I'm gay and I like to shove traffic cones up my ass

[@Fan0ur]

Best comment EVER ! XD

[@Pedro-ho2xj]

you can take videos out of your recommended feed you ducking duck

[@Kogander]

Yes, Damn it! KZbin forced me to watch this. ffs.

[@duewhat9815]

TSA: "I just want to say that I've never cheated a speedrun but through further analysis I found that I have in fact cheated a speedrun"

[@burgrrcat]

I know he did a lot of stupid stuff but i generally liked his videos and im going to miss him...

[@dickindynamo]

I've seen this sentimate a lot, what exactly did he do? I'm not into speed running and I've only occasionally watched Apollo's video so I'm genuinely curious.

[@vivalaJamie01]

@@dickindynamo Hello, if you do a KZbin search for "apollo legend darkviper". There a video of a guy explaining it in detail.

[@dickindynamo]

@@vivalaJamie01 Thanks for the info my dude.

[@ubermaster1]

Now I’m no speed runner but.... Why the hell did that Chibi guy get an “honest mistake” free pass. Since when is cheating and refusing to admit it until presser considered an honest mistake

[@TealJosh]

Honest mistake *in judgement* Also he didn't refuse to admit that he was cheating, he said he didn't splice with intent of cheating.

[@RedHairdo]

*+GTpcGaming* The moment he spliced with intent, he automatically had the intent of cheating. What you speak of makes as much sense as having salty food with no salt.

[@foof811]

lol so he used his autism "Get out of jail free" card? Like Chris-Chan does?

[@SifArtorias]

Chibi didn't splice though, he used action replay. Which is still cheating, but yeah that doesn't deserve an "honest mistake" free pass.

[@Szriko]

+Sif Goddamn sploicers!

[@fajam00m00]

The audio at 14:09 ... This review is itself a fake run!

[@anonony9081]

Bidoof definitely a splice. Can't fool us

[@nolanjones9174]

14:13

[@MinecraftFan-wy1nx]

Bidoof it can be used for editing. It's not a speed run. Idiot.

[@generalhorst8831]

Minecraft Fan23039 Its a joke. Idiot

[@RezEcho]

GizmosAndGadgets The fact that you were 100% confident that this was not indeed a speedrun made me laugh XD You're too young for the internet kid.

[@EGarrett01]

I love how mundane his commentary is. It adds to the shame of being caught cheating to have a male version of Lisa Simpson describing your fail in a totally dry and boring way.

[@RetroIsaac]

It's like a modern-day Chris Hanson.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

@@RetroIsaac don't you dare insult the legend Chris Hanson. Also, modern day? As if Hanson isn't around?

[@Puyopuyotsu]

@@Xeno_Solarus you still think that?

[@jamesferguson8379]

@@Xeno_Solarus Well this didn't age well...

[@notvexiful]

this video introduced me to the speedrunning scene RIP legend

[@jessemess7598]

Me too, it sucks so bad to hear what happened, I wish he could still be with us.

[@jackhazardous4008]

I searched "Projared cheated on his wife" and this was a result

[@kyokonull]

youtuber drama = speedrunner drama sounds about right

[@sarsona_3611]

"Thats why I rate this a broken marriage out of 10"

[@acreepykiwi6788]

He's trying to be the fastest career destroyer in the world

[@kyokonull]

he definitely has a WR for that

[@iamakari5163]

@Johnny Revenue cheating on his *wife

[@helpfulDeathgod]

This video is a year old at this point, but I don't think I've seen anyone mention it. I hope no one actually got mad at you for the intentional splices submitted, especially since you deleted the one that got verified anyway, but there is a such thing as penetration testing. The fact that you've proven it's still possible to splice runs and get away with it so long as it's within human reason, is a good point that the checks for validity do need to be improved upon. Also, this was really informative!

[@xgc_darkrise2418]

Im just barely watching in 2019 lmao

[@heartofjustice6041]

its called being lazy or having a bad day

[@SierraHerb]

@@xgc_darkrise2418 Me too!

[@Skaftholu]

White-hat run faking.

[@tychowozniaki9269]

Well, I would understand if the people checking those runs would be mad at him, he basically stole more than 2 hours of their life checking for cheating (probably more time)

[@wingstophater4454]

*Gets exposed for cheating* Cheater:"I was depressed at age 15." Exposer: "But your not 15 anymore"

[@Tman-gt7fk]

ConnerLMAO also what does that have to do with anything even if u are depressed that doesn’t give u the right to cheat

[@Omgacow1000]

Rewatching these old videos, rest in peace apollo

[@Horny_Fruit_Flies]

I couldn't cheat. It would gnaw at me for the rest of my life that people admire my fake record...

[@RLee-we1fc]

I can't even cheat at a family game of monopoly. Its weird to me to get something you didn't earn.

[@DamienDarksideBlog]

I think the problem with cheaters is that they excel at nothing. Think about it, you don't cheat because you know it's wrong, but also because you probably have that one good thing that you are amazing at that people know you do really well. There is no pull for you to lose your reputation by risking it all because you like the reputation you have already. Cheaters don't have any of that, so they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[@Praetori4n]

@@DamienDarksideBlog They can potentially excel at cheating if they don't get caught

[@brianr.5341]

I could totally do it, I'm just not good enough at any games to be able to speedrun them... lol

[@thetute59]

feels too wrong for me, too.

[@groophalo4833]

I find goose to be the most respectable one shown in this video.

[@gwd86]

he's openly admitted to the shenanigans of his youth and is doing his best to move forward while producing fresh new content. I'm not sure i agree with calling him a 'dirty cheater'.

[@maxoball]

R.I.P. a legend. you had a lot of stuff going on, some were controversial, and not everyone had something nice to say about you. but you were taken away too soon, man. wish we could have seen you get the help you needed, we were all rooting for you. nevertheless, i hope this serves as a grave reminder for people with mental health issues, please seek the help you need, you are leaving behind a lot of people who still need you, no matter how worthless you might feel. Love you, Apollo. Rest in Peace. ♥️

[@natelexi8449]

"I have had depression since I was 15" Dude, don't even try to guilt-trip me.

[@notgreat2493]

There's a lot more to the Chibi story. It took a lot to get him to admit it even thought the proof is so solid. The messages Apollo showed are just a miniscule interaction between a huge back and forth of the two.

[@DuelistRL]

I was just thinking about that. He was quite stubborn.

[@BartzTheMime]

J-Voogs this guy is biased as fuck

[@craftyraf]

You are also cheating sir. The audio at 7:36 sounds different than the audio on 7:38. Good video though!

[@jiyzo]

*oMg RePoRt HiM!1!1!1!1!*

[@sir.paulord901]

he's going to lose his wr in "Exposing Speedrunners" Any%

[@Noobie2k7]

Yeah, so many obvious splices. Guy's just an obvious faker.

[@WolfeOfTheSkyes]

Ikr what a low life

[@daflyingsquid1665]

@@fightmaster-xu6zw Yeah!!! Breathing is over rated!

[@saraklingenborg7897]

Ok but can we just admire the Goldeneye speedrunner who actually admitted he cheated?

[@vurvo574]

Sara Klingenborg He exposes cheaters on his KZbin channel now. I actually recommend watching him.

[@vurvo574]

Conrad Nickelson But he did redeem himself as a person by making his KZbin channel expose cheaters.

[@dlongovids]

Conrad Nickelson bro he cheated a speed run hahaha he didn’t rape and murder anyone that’s an awful comparison

[@xord1946]

Yeah I THINK it should be easier to redeem from cheating a speedrun rather than raping and murdering a woman but that's just my opinion.

[@zacheray]

I’m pretty sure that guy thinks he’s a master manipulator and is probably continuing to cheat, now undetected, and now with a channel to ‘front’ with.

[@SnackPack913]

Rest in pease Apollo, this is my favorite video of yours 🥺

[@SpeedrunFails]

I would really prefer if you'd be quiet

[@the1zeldafan609]

Speedrun Fails. *akwaaard*

[@tjf_1197]

I don't get it

[@augustosavio2655]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmaTn6Sbo76Aeq8 this is the vid he's referencing

[@sillyjobbernowl]

Tomba 2 Babyy

[@augustosavio2655]

MAHSTAPIECE

[@leotransit]

I get Chibi might not be a 'bad guy', but to call splicing speed run footage an 'honest mistake' is being far too kind. It's an extremely dishonest, calculated decision.

[@RedHairdo]

Yes, but it gets worse: if I recall correctly, he fucked the wife of one of his friends, while they were drinking away.

[@radiatednapkin3446]

RedHairdo Actually, that was Stiv who had sex with Sam's wife.

[@hoodedman6579]

He didn't splice, he used a gameshark code, not that it changes your point that much.

[@sethkauffman9915]

Well, to be fair he's not wrong, a mistake by definition is a decision you made that turns out to be negative... Not saying that makes it any more honest or not, but that's literally what a mistake is, a bad decision.

[@leotransit]

What are you talking about? An honest mistake is like leaving the keys in the car, or bumping into somebody on a crowded street or misspelling a word in an email. You can make bad decisions by accident, with no bad intent, hence the addition word 'honest'. This was not that.

[@stupidblondetwink]

We all miss you, you absolute legend. Rest In Peace Apollo.

[@Emrox]

14:08 this audio has been spliced what do you have to say for yourself

[@HueghMungus]

*> I'd rather die than go to prison

[@welp4576]

oh no

[@carterpierce8314]

so what ?

[@A5h3n.]

GamesNStuff it's a joke.

[@JONDH1]

THEN YOU WILL PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD!

[@austinshoffman4651]

The guy you actually interviewed had me somewhat convinced till he said "I had to play devil's advocate". If he wanted to convince people to start paying more attention to the subject he should have done as he did (Ps everything, make it all look legit) then shortly after or along with his doctored footage he should have said "Hey, this is fake. Check and make sure other people aren't faking"

[@sallybarnard2998]

Exactly! It's a great thing had he said it before he was caught, but after.. It's just another excuse

[@nikki6927]

I was waiting for someone to mention this because I totally saw the sleezyness of his excuse. He should've told people about it, not allow them to find it on their own.

[@dantedeloden]

Ryan makes hundreds of goldeneye youtube videos still to this day. And is a confirmed legit player. His frustration was clearly at the fact everyone was so forgiving of the actual cheating. As he was the one to constantly call it out

[@joevanweedler]

He talks about this on his stream and in his frigate speedlore episode. He doesn't say the devil's advocate thing there, I think that was saving some face. In that episode he just says he was young, immature and felt entitled to a record so he just did it. Goose is not a bad guy

[@dantedeloden]

@Clam Muscles ryans a good guy, its just rough the internet never forgets

[@deedsdeedledums6151]

thanks for making what you made. your content was interesting and gave me perspective about a community i would have otherwise not cared to look into. rest in peace, dude.

[@sharonkennedy7572]

This man deserves a huge praise. So much heart and passion put into tearing down what each SR cheater did and also showing us truly just how easy it is to submit a false spliced recording. Really opening our eyes to just how many people are taking shortcuts to take the satisfaction and pleasure from all those who spend countless, countless years of their life devoting to a speed run testing skills, muscle memory and frame perfect movements 100% of the time. A good example is the Super Mario 64 speed runs, both visual and blindfolded attempts. Good on ya Apollo Legend, for a first time viewer, this video was very enticing and entertaining nonetheless!!

[@kirjian]

this video is actually amazing, not gonna lie. that ending was especially awesome

[@ayylmaotv]

kirjian he shouldn't have deleted the run lol

[@ComaAlpha]

Ayy Lmao I think it shows great character and morality that he did.

[@ayylmaotv]

ComaAlpha yes but it would've been fun to see how many views or discussions are made about the run

[@sandrobot809]

but why would you lie to begin with?

[@spectrelex3051]

Ayy Lmao while I do see where you are coming from, this video has 1 million views, and a moderator more than likely saw this video and would have deleted the run anyway.