Spending Your Rent Money on Games (w/ NakeyJakey) | Sad Boyz

[@AverageJoe09]

Jarvis’s jacket makes him look like a Pokémon trainer and it’s excellent.

[@AshChiCupcak]

I'm glad I'm not the only one admiring it. That is a very nice jacket and I want one now 😢

[@hamoiq908]

@@AshChiCupcak same it has the perfect vibe

[@TurbopropPuppy]

i want it in pink

[@shirin9452]

He would be so happy 😊 liking so he can potentially see this comment

[@novexp]

He's the champion

[@zeemdotexe]

This is EASILY your best episode (I have not watched it yet)

[@The.Ronin.Kuzuri]

EXACTLY 😂😂😂😂

[@samthemessiah9330]

So fucking true (im 30 seconds into the video)

[@imscottyspeed]

literally bro... (I paused after 45 seconds and found this comment)

[@AKA253]

Ethan Nestor episode was a lot of sideass, and now the Jakey episode is all crotchcam. They can do it all, folks.

[@hazydaze9176]

They just know what the people want

[@Azimii]

jarvis having to listen to jordan and jakey go on about max payne is absolute perfection

[@macularius]

revenge for Jarvis & Frogan's Emo Interlude

[@blindhein1854]

Seriously!!!!!! That part gave me SO much joy because while I’m not a mega gamer, I watched a lot of let’s plays of Max Payne 3 and never had anyone to gush to about how much I loved it. I should really buy it and play it now!

[@maxmfpayne]

OH FUCK YEAH I LOVE MAX PAYNE THIS GONNA BE A GOOD ONE

[@rifkadm]

Honestly I was just a fan of Johnny and Health and now I wanna check out the game

[@atmmachine11]

@@blindhein1854mega gamer

[@erinnielsen5423]

Tbh I’m glad Jarvis talked about the hoodie cuz I 100% would have been down in these comments asking for a link if he never brought it up

[@BMuR13]

I really appreciate that Jakey was comfortable talking about the feedback regarding ROMCOM and specifically the Fantano video that came out in response to it. I remember when that album released. I listened to it alone on a great pair of headphones late at night. It wasn't perfect, it wasn't safe- but goddamn was it personal and meaningful. There are moments in those tracks that really hit, and make you feel something. It was a real shame to see Fantano just kinda throw it up in such a uncharitable and casual context and then just diss the whole thing in front of an audience. That format doesn't play to ROMCOM's strengths. It's not a safe POP album of common-denominator versus, and it's not some inscrutable cutting-edge high-brow work either. I always wondered how Jakey felt about that, glad we got to hear some of his thoughts here. Making art is so hard.

[@NerdFap]

My thoughts exactly dude, thank you 🫡

[@robYT_]

YESSS I can’t believe it took me two months to listen to this podcast I’ve been wanting to hear jakeys feelings on that since I first watched fantanos reaction

[@sciscapes]

"a friend who I've known since we met" -jarvis Johnson

[@CatsandDragons7]

I’m roughly 100 hours into tears of the kingdom, probably like 2/3 of the way through the story (I think?) and I can in fact confirm that the kingdom does in fact have my tears

[@froggy5748]

I was 50 hours into it and then I got my suspicions about a specific part of the story get confirmed and now I can’t force myself to play more story because I hate the decision so much, which is heartbreaking because I’ve been waiting for this mf game for years and I love it outside of that story decision

[@arkhamhero1238]

@@froggy5748 I felt the exact same way about that decision at first, and it took me a bit to keep going. All I will say is that if you keep playing your feelings towards that decision should change

[@_Cotton]

💧Hear you dropped this, King(dom)

[@harrydsgn]

the 'I'll kill you' bits are some of the funniest in the new video so definitely worth the work it took

[@SkimoStories]

best guest ever. show peaked. sorry guys.

[@tychi9189]

True

[@codymadrigal6992]

Jarvis brings so many talented guests on here, this dude doesn't even crack top 5

[@tychi9189]

@@codymadrigal6992 L take

[@SkimoStories]

@@codymadrigal6992 I am sorry that you are deprived of oxygen

[@danie1220-s8r]

@@codymadrigal6992 humbly dawg, no way jakey is a diamond in the rough. This episode was great I wish I this was hours longer

[@grocket9520]

jordan is so right. pine barrens is genuinely such an emotionally important song and i will never get tired of it. when the album version dropped i genuinely lost my shit.

[@smallbabyedwards]

I am so glad Jakey brought up the Fantano stream clip; I’ve been thinking about it since it came out. Such a weirdly cruel moment. Like, dumping on Drake and Eminem is one thing, but it just overwhelmingly felt like punching down to be so dismissive of Romcom.

[@woodzy6100]

I felt the same way. Always wondered how Jacob felt about it. I felt the pain for him when I saw it.

[@RanDieBam]

Romcom is an amazing album! Coming from someone who initially didn't expect much and thought it might be hyped because of cult of personality. It isn't!

[@ThatCrazyBookWyrm]

Also not to let my inner Zelda fan come out too much, but I think a good part of the issues with BoTW's writing and voice acting issues come down to a poorly done localization. I know it's an overdone subject to point to in video game discussions, but when you look at the actual transations of the original Japanese, there's so much more depth and meaning in the lines and the characters. They really did so many moments dirty. Down to things like the final memory - in Japanese Zelda is begging Link not to die. So that look he gives her right before he collapses is just so much more heartbreaking. And the vocal delivery too - things like Japanese Zelda actually having her voice muffled when her hands are covering her face, or her scream when she broke down being genuinely wrenching. Or the fact that in the Japanese version the quests are written in first person, because they're Link's diary; he interjects with personal thoughts and feelings. So much was changed or lost in translation and it kind of breaks my heart a little as someone who absolutely adores the game. You can see it right away in totk too: "secret stone" sounds so so ridiculous in English. In Japanese it does literally mean secret/mystery stone, but the word used is unusual and has a fantasy element to it, so it sounds very cool. Its like they heard us asking for a more literal translation and did it for the one thing that they definitely shouldn't have translated word for word. Translation and localization are very hard to do and they get a lot of flack from the gaming community, but when done well, like with the Phoenix Wright games, they can make games shine. But with BoTW it actively took away from what is an otherwise incredible game.

[@Marigold11037]

I haven't finished TOTK yet but I almost feel like it should've been _sacred_ stone instead. The word doesn't have the same meaning but it sounds so silly when the voice actors say "ah yes...his secret stone." Also the voice acting in BOTW definitely improved in the DLC but some of the choices in the original were questionable. It's the clearest with zelda, it sounds like her VA is struggling to maintain her accent so there's a lack of emotion in her voice when there should be more

[@GamingintheAM0801]

And while we're talking about weird/bad Zelda localization: the name "Linkle." I love the idea of a female version of Link, but I'm baffled that not one person on the localization team pointed out, "Hey, this name sounds kind of silly in English."

[@Marigold11037]

@@GamingintheAM0801 it's too close to Tinkle haha "Link" is already pretty gender neutral, I'd expect either a "Linke" or "Linka" to sound more feminine

[@dr.cornwater2886]

Kojima left Konami on bad terms for a lot of reasons. Konami didn't want to keep rolling dice with funding Kojima's games since they were very expensive and he kept going over release dates. There's also some corporate fuckery where they were trying to screw him out of creative control of his projects and stuff as well. I remember watching a video about the making of PT that talks about what went on and about how Kojima used PT to release his frustrations with his relationship with Konami. I don't remember who it was by, but it was really well done and does a great job of pulling apart the end of the Konami/Kojima saga. Konami did him dirty in the end though. Him not being able to accept the award for MGS 5 at the VGA's was brutal and taking his name off the game just to spite him was a low blow. I'm not sure how the MGS 3 remake will turn out, but it's pretty conflicting as a massive fan of the franchise as to whether it's going to be worth or not. PS: I'd kill for a Jakey Death Stranding video!

[@anarmadillowithagun]

was it the one by TheGrateDebate?

[@skep2923]

The vid by bobvids?

[@frogsbongs]

Did you ever end up getting the new releases? I'm a big fan too and have the disks on PS2 but the urge to have it on the PC is getting me lol

[@dr.cornwater2886]

@@frogsbongs I actually got the collection for Switch! Solid rerelease of the HD collection games and Metal Gear Solid 1 Directors Cut being part of the package is awesome. I have 1-5 physical too but breaking out the PS3 and PS2 is a bitch and I like the fun digital bonuses that come with the HD collection games. Need to bring back the Metal Gear Database from 4 for the next release!

[@treydles]

wow the conversation about like people criticizing your content or jarvis mentioning not watching reactions hits home SO HARD. i’ve been in a bunch of cut vids (yes i won the button yes it doesn’t matter) and watching hasan or ludwig or critikal or even cody ko reacting to the vids i’m in is a top 3 most anxiety inducing activity. like it’s pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things but man it is such a personally intimidating feeling.

[@oppi-hop]

kennie, ethan, AND jakey?? we're eating good !!

[@JKLOLgirl101]

🎶...I'm a fat man Faded, chewing drugs like Pacman TMG on your Walkman...🎶 lmaoo manifesting a TMG x Sad Boyz pod ep🤞🏿🤞🏿

[@oppi-hop]

@@JKLOLgirl101 omg a sad boyz and tmg collab would be so funny i hope they do that

[@1WEareBUFO1]

Eating boiss

[@Wildy333]

Just straight FEASTIN

[@Spicypotatos]

@@JKLOLgirl101 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@Lunky933]

hearing Jakey talk in a less edited and more candid (as well as longer form) way is the best thing ever and i desperately want more of it. I still need to listen to the episodes of The Hyperfixation he has been on too lmao

[@PopularNobody]

For the record that two second "I'll kill you" was perfection

[@imdoneplus]

Nerding out about HEALTH has made me even more excited about this pod. Seriously.

[@ozmarichardson6524]

right?

[@HanOle12]

Jakey's talk about working on his album is so inspiring for me. I'm currently at the end stages of working on my own debut album, and without having Jakey to look up to and to relate to, I don't think I'd be able to start this journey. Him being so open about his struggles with it, in this episode but also in the past, has inspired me immensely.

[@JakeBaldino]

Didn’t expect a Max Payne podcast but I am all for it

[@b.ab.o]

i caught you here

[@gurgel1746]

Didnt know The gameranx team had such a based taste in podcasts

[@hannah4669]

It makes me sad when the thumbnails don’t have Jordan in them 😢

[@SadBoyzPod]

fixed it

[@diamond-sk2ll]

​@@SadBoyzPod damn there it is

[@beefy74]

I named one of my special horses in breath of the wild Jakey, in honor of the man himself. He’s now my go to ride in tears of the Kingdom thank you Jakey for the name.

[@tonyhinderman]

They are so excited to speak about gaming and nerdy shit with Nakey they were interrupting each other way more this episode lol

[@xrik7865]

Now we just need Jakey on Cold Ones and every other podcast will be rendered obsolete

[@AshLeeTheCat]

man, now I just want to hear jarvis and max talk drunkly about pokemon

[@weedlechu]

I love Jarvis’s hoodie. It’s so unique and cool! I’m glad he‘s branching out more with his style, I hope to do that someday lol :,) Edit: OH he mentioned it LOL I might have to check that brand out!!

[@bigsoulja73]

I love Nakob Jacob

[@SkimoStories]

Nakod Jakob

[@sadwasdead5065]

naked jaked

[@litecandle]

Right at the beginning, the thing you're describing as "scope creep" for content creators sounds a lot like what Ze Frank called "brain crack" back in his vlogging days. Sometimes an idea just keeps building and building until no attempt at making it real could possibly do it justice.

[@neonshudder]

haven't even watched it yet and i know it's 10/10 best episode of sad boyz yet

[@ThatCrazyBookWyrm]

"Fans turn on that I didn't even know were in there" absolutely losing it during this segment, I'm having the same experience with my switch. Feels like I'm going to have to get a support system started to get it through totk lmao. So glad that you're having Jakey on! Every new guest feels like a personal gift tbh, I love this podcast and y'all and your friends so much ❤️ Thanks for giving my adhd crazed brain the dopamine it craves!!

[@phantom.dragon]

I'm absolutely amazed by how many different people Jarvis is friends with I've watched Jakey's videos for a long time now, and also the recent one, so when I saw this podcast ep it felt like the multiverse crossover

[@DadJokeCinema]

Two additional Max Payne things - one of the first games to have photo-mapped textures. Instead being drawn textures, they were all taken from photos, made low-res, and plastered on some flat polygons, but the look at the time was amazing. Second - the trippy dream sequence was one of my favorite moments in gaming for years.

[@polygonpenguin]

I'm glad they talked about the fantano reaction on jakeys album because that initial stream reaction he did never sat right with me, it was cool to see jakeys perspective on it. I'm glad he didn't let it get to him too much in the end

[@citymorgue629]

I'm a month late but so thankful i found this tonight. There's something about Jakey that makes me less scared of life

[@sideways5153]

If you want to understand Konami’s relationship with Hideo Kojima, Google the in-house nickname they had for him in the early 2000s: “Ojama”. They made YuGiOh creatures that seem to be meant to mock Kojima, his sexuality, and maybe even his behavior. Regardless of what specifically happened, they clearly hated him on some level for a long time lol

[@maybemablemaples2144]

That's gross but also I'm not surprised at the stereotypical Japanese company treatment. There was a way to have both parties leave and Konami just decided their cash cow was worth it.

[@Vanity0666]

Makes sense, Kojima himself is a libertarian socialist and Konami was trying to sell gambling but for kids

[@SLBrown-nj9of]

I binged Better Call Saul at the end of last year on recommendation from a few of my friends and have only seen a few episodes of Breaking Bad here and there because my dad loves it, but I absolutely loved it! I knew some of the lore going in just because of how big Breaking Bad is and one of my friends helped to fill in the blanks, especially with the last season. And after finishing, I went back and started Breaking Bad but couldn't watch further than the first few episodes because my mom has an extremely similar cancer diagnosis to Walt and it became too difficult for me to sit through. But BCS is definitely one of my favorite shows I've ever watched, I'd recommend it to pretty much anyone regardless of whether they've seen Breaking Bad.

[@PretentiousYogi]

This seems as good a place as any to mention that Google stadia was so under appreciated. I played like 1000 hours on that platform, and then it went out of business and all of my purchases were refunded. I played the new and awful Saints Row, all the way thru like 60 hrs, and then it got refunded. Same with Cyberpunk, RE Village, R6 Siege and a bunch of other games. I don’t debate that it will go down in history as a failure, but my experience was so positive. It felt like 2 years of basically free gaming. RIP Stadia

[@zzzz-qg1on]

appreciate jordan finally being in the thumbnails again but pls put both the boys in !! ☹️ love u guys btw edit: they fixed it yay !! love u guys sm

[@autothots.rollout]

Just gotta say romcom is my favorite album of the year!! Listen to the whole thing every day ive decided to stan 🫡

[@godzelda123]

Same here! Fathead is my favorite, it's very underrated.

[@polygonpenguin]

Survival horror is a goated song

[@coleG112]

Regarding BOTW vs TOTK, people always say we got scammed for TOTK being a $70 DLC pack…when in reality, we got scammed in 2017 because BOTW was just a $60 demo for what TOTK would eventually be lol. TOTK improves on just about EVERYTHING BOTW did, and that's coming from someone who doesn't adore either of them the way some people do. I admire the things they did, but it's just not for me. That doesn't stop me from being mind-blown by some of the insane creativity they put into that game.

[@ariadne8427]

i have well over 100 hours in tears of the kingdom and let me tell you, having completed every main quest i cried. a lot. especially at the end of the game

[@gracelynthrills]

i am not a gamer and understand nothing going on but still gonna watch it all

[@savannahmcabee3183]

loved what jarvis had to say about lost, i feel the exact same way. it's been my favorite show for ten years and the online community is so fun and creative. i blog abt it on tumblr and i'm active in the subreddit :)

[@inazonitobe737]

Jakey is kinda hitting on a point I think is important. Video game and music reviewers don't necessarily give their full attention to the thing they're reviewing. You assume when you read a review that they tried to really absorb the content but they very well could've been doing other things at the same time that take focus away. Like playing a game while the album they reviewed was playing in the background.

[@Kevopat]

This was such an amazing episode. First time watching and seeing how supportive you are among each other is really great. Mental health has such an important role on creativity so being honest and supportive is really important. Criticism will never end whether is gaming or music, but being on both sides can be pretty hard for someone.

[@annamari007]

As a woman who was a journalist and editor for 6 years at a major (local) games and electronics publication and someone who has developer friends at major studios all over the globe I have so much to say about all of the discussed topics...🙈 Tldr: generally speaking, you got a lot of things right, and you're well informed. Kudos to the whole team. 😊

[@LydiaTaylorMusic]

Highly recommend checking out the video essay "every zelda is the darkest zelda" directly before playing any zelda game

[@SummerAlleriaWindrunner]

Even tho I don't play video games myself, I really enjoy listening to people/striving to be a good listener, so I've always asked the guys in my life (acquaintances, family, friends, bfs) about their favorite video games and sat back for an hour. Something about watching a couple of my fave KZbinrs and their friend rave about this stuff is giving me that same exact genre dopamine so thank you 😊💖

[@coolfool183]

the "shoot 'is arm off" at 1:12:02 was so good i immediately blasted back to 2007 like that one scene in ratatooie or however you spell it

[@camrynrussell6292]

Jakeys album actually means the world to me

[@maddyvarcoe87]

this was such a fantastic episode !!!!!!!! was so happy to see jakey was on. listening to the three of them talk about games & other passions was so awesome. ❤️❤️ big love

[@yourlocalnerd7788]

I think what's interesting about breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom as a zelda fan is to looking back on a lot of the previous games and find some of the early seeds of that game in it. Like skyward sword introducing stamina and I think some of the parries and stuff you can find twilight princess

[@thesovereignsequel]

I hate to drop golum lore, but. He has five bug watching/catching animations out of six emotes.

[@SW-zb6bf]

If Gollum was originally a PS2 game, we would ALL be begging for a remake 🤣

[@iangoodwin2103]

I’ll never get tired of listening to a couple of hot boyz talk about a couple of hot games

[@MotelMaxwell]

I haven't played TOTK but one of my favorite little things I discovered in BOTW was the ruins of the stable that's a main part of the fields in Ocarina of Time, down to the path that the horse runs around. Realizing as I explored the ruins that this stable I'd stumbled on was pieces of buildings I'd explored long before in a previous game, and that lore-wise Link had walked these same steps generations ago, was amazing for me. I got so excited about it

[@Nikoletoskovici]

I recently got back into the podcast, binging the episodes while working on my diploma project. got up to get a coffe and came back to a fresh episode to help me power through another 2 hours of work! thnaks boyz!

[@EPMTUNES]

This episode is one of your best! Would love to have Jakey on as a sort of periodic game update episode.

[@anxoanimates2569]

Listened to this whole episode even tho I've never played a video game in my life

[@paulm.7967]

I always told people that Armored Core was Gran Turismo levels customization in a Mech centric RPG. You don't get classic RPG classes like Rogue, Wizard, Tank, etc. But you do get analogues, e.g. Lightweight melee build, Guided Missle spam + hover / max flight time build, Heavy armor tank build (sometimes with literal tank treads) with massive weapons. The brutality of the story mixed with all that cold steel made it a super metal series to play back in the day

[@Lunky933]

i have literally put off watching this episode just to prepare myself for the dopamine rush and im ready for it now. tonight, we feast.

[@oogiboogihere]

I had a dream that i was having a breakdown and Jarvis was comforting me and he asked if he could call my dad. I wailed "I DONT HAVE A DAD!" And he cheerfully responded "No way! Me too!" And that was the end of his presence.

[@enseventealp]

I'm always a fan of people going real in-depth on games from not just a fan standpoint but mechanics standpoint

[@dezmodium]

I'm a 80s kid who played Zelda on NES and SNES and while they are timeless gems I understand what you all mean. A lot of people want more games like that and while there is a place for it the new Zelda games are perfect for our times. They just work so well.

[@PretentiousYogi]

I wish I could reach back in time and show myself both contemporary games and also the retro stuff all upscaled and remastered on huge futuristic tvs.

[@lime7642]

nakeyjakey on sadboyz? this is the best day of my life

[@Hash3y]

favorite episode so far. love u guys!

[@HalicanDrops]

AHHH JAKEY!!! I'm so hype you had him on here!! 💖💖💖

[@megan-mr9vk]

best episode. i could listen to y’all talk about games forever

[@JadenGolden]

Loved hearing jakey get really personal about the making of the album and dealing with the fantano stuff. I just saw that fantano clip recently. Also, pine barrens hit me much later as well!

[@MarcHendry]

oh god, the part about showing his new video to his family hits home for me as an animator lol. Also Jordan on perfectionism (start of the last segment) is great

[@alia1549]

I don't know anything about a single game discussed in this video, but I still found it very entertaining! Both funny and interesting :)

[@FlyoverStatePark]

I'm trying to rebuild my creative drive after dealing with grief and this is helping get me excited about the creative process again. I'm going to edit right after this video.

[@readsbyemma]

i love people ranting about video games. i’m definitely checking out jakey’s channel.

[@echoes__]

I love that Majora's Mask is still getting appreciation. My first Zelda game was Majora and it's still my favorite.

[@lydiadesiree2]

The boys are feeding us with a 2 hour ep 😮‍💨

[@PerpetuallyDaydreaming]

Woaaah, my brother loves Jakey and I love Jarvis, our worlds are colliding 🙌

[@cvspergaming]

Jordan's point about BioShock is so true and I had the same experience playing that game back in the day. Such an incredible unique experience

[@itzSHISS]

Jordan's 47 voice is amazing

[@JesseDCrespo]

Fun fact about venmo: linking a bank account gives them access to the entirety of your purchase history (and all future purchases). Did I say fun fact? I meant fundamentally disturbing !

[@Kveg-y6k]

Gotta have Jakey on 100 more times

[@jamis117]

Ugh love how considerate and equal the conversation is, it’s like they have a talking stick from school lol

[@chloeray2041]

I have been spoiled so much with totk, nobody is putting spoiler warnings so idk how you guys haven't seen spoilers 😭

[@Cassian0.0]

Jarvis’s Jacket is dope as hell Edit: It’s $110 😭

[@Luckytrapt]

I was like 60 hours into tears of the kingdom and for reasons that aren’t pertinent I lost that save file and had to start over. And am now over 100 hours into tears of the kingdom and I’m STIL FINDING NEW SHIT. I don’t get how they did it, it’s incredible.

[@caryn7154]

Listening to this while playing Tears of the kingdom is so much fun!! Great episode!

[@fevre_dream8542]

Honestly no orchestra rendition of an OST has made me cry as consistently as Undertale.

[@olivialibowitz9925]

About to upload my first video essay this summer, been working on it. Any advice to not vomit? Also, cool jacket Jarvis, it's giving "Akatsuki" 🦊

[@1WEareBUFO1]

Well, don't vomit

[@boots1622fan]

i dont even like podcasts, esp youtuber podcasts but i feel like i could watch sad boyz all day tbh

[@cooberr]

i love this episode, just every chapter is a showcase of my compounding interests

[@shortymcdude]

Minute 37 expresses exactly how I feel. Totk set the bar so high, it begs the question "where do they go from here?" The best I can think of is taking windwaker and putting it on the level of botw. Ship crafting, islands to explore, underwater combat and caverns. It could be a windwaker reboot or tack it on after totk and make a trilogy.

[@zzeroara9511]

i haven't played TOTK, since I'm. poor. but I'm glad i finally found someone else that wants the sequel to go into the ocean. i have no idea what happens in TOTK yet, buy i want the third game to let you swim and dive underwater and explore ocean cities and throw tridents...god, that would be so GODDAMN good

[@chibiraptor]

1:19:00 IGN was 100% right that there was too much water. The game wanted the overworld to be half land and half water, but water is way more annoying to traverse, since you can't run, can't use your bike, and have constant wild encounters.

[@ayoola777]

I literally said "oh my god" when i saw the guest. Elite episode

[@agentstepp]

Love me some Nakob Jacob! Great episode guys!

[@MsCunningLinguistic]

This whole episode was gold, but I'm so happy to hear a shoutout to both Matt Mercer AND SkillUp 🥰

[@hahahahaha662]

Max Payne is amazing!!! It felt like you were the star of a blockbuster action film!

[@Engitainment]

It is so cool seeing some of my favourite content creators in the same room just chatting about everythinf

[@adammgolan]

As someone who has used Maschine in the past as a DAW (it's not), Jakey having made the whole album that way is impressive, but it also does (as Jordan said) make him a crazy person.

[@DG.lesmolwiseone]

This trio is insane oml

[@jokeronline702]

Jakey is always a great podcast guest

[@zzeroara9511]

okay, i just wanna say that IGN was completely justified with the 'Too Much Water' critique. hoenn is a fine region stylistically, but my god...there was SO many water routes. LIKE, A LOT.