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00:00:00 Intro
00:01:51 VTubing
00:03:12 Misinformation on Early Internet
00:06:37 TFW Your Knowledge/Beliefs Are Challenged
00:26:19 Striving to be wholesome, accepting imperfection
00:43:14 Pokemon GO (Not Sponsored)
01:06:44 Our Conversation Board
01:08:33 Patreon!
01:10:32 Faze Clan (Orange Chicken Pizza Rolls)
01:21:01 Sleep Apnea Update
01:31:07 Streamys
01:36:08 Conspiracies
01:42:23 Sad Boyz Nightz

[@SadBoyzPod]

POKÉMON GO PEEPS: i put the discord in the description! let's raid! -jarvis

[@Sar_bear]

I was going to comment about how Pokémon go should sponsor you because when I saw in the discord server that you were playing it I got pushed into redownloading it lol. And I got into the Pokémon sleep app because of your sponsorship.

[@anahd7559]

I just tried the link but it says expired 😢

[@akilahcopeland559]

But, Jarvis, what if.... here me out, here................... What if I am a low lvl, still, for....... reasons......... but I am in San Diego and just want to be your friend and play video games with you??? ::le disappoint:: :C

[@Sly25]

Came for the sad boys, stayed for the pokemon go. Can send Australian gifts

[@Bernie_is_eepy]

This podcast is like deprogramming therapy for being chronically online

[@ned_arb]

Realest shit I ever read. Sometimes you gotta be chronically online for awhile to realize you don't wanna be.

[@MyceliumNebula]

it's people who talk like this that make me really truly feel how beautiful the world is. I'm reaching out to people, I'm making irl friends, I'm living life.

[@Bernie_is_eepy]

@@MyceliumNebula I know! It wasn’t until I started watching them again that I realized “oh, the world isn’t twitter/TikTok, and not everyone is insane” it’s amazing.

[@SamuraiGuy]

(except we're still online)

[@itsSB0727]

@@Bernie_is_eepydms C

[@cerysxox]

jarvis’ thing abt being afraid to be wrong is so true i double check my own name all the time because i’m afraid of embarrassing myself by literally saying it in front of people

[@VultureSkins]

My first and last name have some overlapping letters, so sometimes when my head’s not in the game, I spell my last name wrong. Like if my name was Harry Warren, 1/10 times I’d accidentally sign a document “Harry Warry” lmao. I’m glad signatures can be kind of abstract, so you can’t tell if you aren’t looking closely

[@MyceliumNebula]

I do the same thing but about other peoples names. I legit never call people by their names because im terrified i'll get it wrong or say the wrong name

[@ashkemena]

@@VultureSkins sometimes when i handwrite my name (Ashley) i spell it as 'Ashlye' on accident

[@stephenwingo2092]

XAl😊😊

[@cerysxox]

@@ashkemena i sometimes forget the s in my own name!!!! like it’s cerys but sometimes i just write cery 😭

[@Cavemanner]

On that very fist thing about the "eating 8 spiders a year in your sleep", it was actually a social experiment by college researchers about how, if you make something SEEM factual and official, it will spread with little to no regard for sourcing the information. Obviously they proved their hypothesis like a million times over lmao

[@cceloful]

I genuinely thought this was a somewhat real thing until this podcast 😂😂😂

[@badger6882]

I have a feeling this comment is also telling lies

[@isabelflann4087]

​@@badger6882God tier if true

[@andrzejsugier]

If I remember correctly, the rabbit hole goes deeper, because there's no sources on the college research experiment you mentioned.

[@Cavemanner]

@@andrzejsugier **X-Files theme plays**

[@DrFlash-oi6ju]

That whole thing about not being wrong is so relatable, I once repeated the quote "If thou tastest a crust of bread, thou tastest all the stars and all the heavens" but I couldn't remember who said it so I looked it up and google said Robert Browning. So I looked up what poem he said it in and google said Paracelsus. So I looked up the story and it does not appear in that story at all. I also found that WB Yeats said it and quoted it to Paracelsus, the actual guy not the story. So I looked him up and unfortunately all his work is in German. So I asked one the the foremost English language experts on Paracelsus (you can just email university professors) if he said it and his response was "well it certainly is representative of his worldview, but I do not recall him ever saying that exactly." So my best guess is that WB Yeats said it as a summation of Paracelsus' philosophy and he wrote it in the form of a quote. This shit took me a week and I was just going to text the quote to a friend under a picture of some bread I made.

[@VultureSkins]

That’s an admirable dedication to accuracy lol, I feel that

[@mundanepants]

Information rabbit holes are the best, tbh. How would anyone NOT want to know the truth if truth is an option?

[@astroblast2325]

I think I'm in love w you

[@maggotqu33n]

this was the most beautiful comment

[@sunsun5005]

The beautiful antithesis to Jarvis' ex getting upset bc he likes to look things up

[@Likeomgitznich]

“You offer somebody shelter and they didn’t like the decor” that full on punched me in the face.

[@LeftPhilip]

It's more like "you offer somebody shelter, then punch a hole in the wall"

[@zay-fl7oy]

i was really gullible as a kid and got made fun of for it. so as i got older i overcorrected and always factchecked things before speaking on topics. people started calling me a know-it-all because i always needed to be right. it wasn't because i needed to be right but because i had an overwhelming fear of being wrong. it's gotten better but i definitely don't have a lot of friends because of it and it's still a struggle not to question or push back on things. gotta love that asd/adhd combo ♥

[@bellac6311]

and then someone says "we'll agree to disagree" like NO ITS A LITERAL FACT THAT I JUST PROVED AND SOURCED

[@AmyAberrant]

People will make fun of you for being wrong and then make fun of you more for being right

[@randomtinypotatocried]

Same here

[@arbol262]

@@bellac6311 No fr! When I am literally showing someone the facts and sources and then they hit me with the “You always believe what you see on the internet”. It’s so frustrating to me knowing that in the end I am the one who is properly informed about the topic so it shouldn’t matter this much, but it still leaves me frustrated when someone doesn’t want to acknowledge it by invalidating my experiences and my research.

[@ghost-husband]

omg yes! it frustrates me so much when that happens. my mom calls me a know it all because I do that. there's nothing more frustrating than having all the evidence in the world to disprove someone's argument but then refusing to believe it.

[@djtoby5275]

The thing about being wrong hit so hard, I have autism/ADHD and rejection sensitive dysphoria is so bad sometimes that it makes me feel physically sick. It's awesome that more people are talking about it

[@Lucifersfursona]

This exact situation is a huge part of why I can’t make the content I want to. No talk. Never speak. Cannot do that

[@GyroMan5136]

same kinda... I assumed that was like a natural reaction to being wrong but maybe it's amplified in my case

[@GyroMan5136]

I never realized there was a name for that horrible feeling I get when i get criticism or corrections

[@kabiedotjpg5683]

I thought it was normal to feel intense shame/guilt/embarrassment/self hatred when getting something small wrong until I heard them talk about it and I was like "oh 🧍"

[@kiwid3628]

Same here. I have ADHD and grew up in gifted magnet school programs so it's always been a huge fear of mine to be wrong about something. Often times even if I know the answer to a question I won't answer because of the chance that I could be wrong and be made fun of for it. Thankfully I'm now out of the gifted magnet program and don't worry about this as much lol

[@aliamcbride]

I know commenting on the way they sit is so old but I love how chill and comfy they get. Jarvis is fully lying down by 1:38:40 lmao

[@zidian1356]

the jubilee thing jordan mentioned was when jordan laughed when a woman started crying at the thought of someone being hispanic and the chat went "oh but youre making fun of a single mother for crying :/" looking back im surprised he laughed it off i wouldve lost my mind

[@macularius]

amazing

[@sarahcha]

Is that what he’s talking about? 💀 bc that’s not why she cried. He made a joke that that was why. She probably cried bc she was overwhelmed bc everyone was being so nasty to each other in that Cut vid. ^if my memory is correct, idk it might not be. I assumed he was talking about something different, but I’m not really on twitch so idk what

[@zidian1356]

@@sarahcha oh i agree but keep in mind he was pauzing the video often to talk and it genuinely looked like she started crying when someone said theyre not white it couldve been laughed off in SECONDS but it took like at least 5 minutes before everyone managed to shut up 💀

[@GrayYeonWannabe]

yeah the shit he gets policed for is comically absurd

[@daaara]

The practice Jarvis is talking about is actually called "body doubling!" It's a great way to increase your productivity by working at the same time with a friend.

[@mariya_tortilla]

lmao

[@erincantdrum]

Sarah Z has a great video about how the more left leaning or 'safe' you try to be the more you're criticized for not doing it to the right extent or in the way that everyone deems 'appropriate'

[@EvilLobsterKing]

Great video. Edit: realised that great is the adjective you used but it is how I feel too

[@Lucarioguild7]

Very true I kinda wish they had talked about when Hasan was there because he's basically the poster boy for that phenomenon lol

[@thatrantinggirl7376]

⁠@@Lucarioguild7I feel like I see people say this a lot but the vast majority of criticism I see about Hasan has all been really rational

[@Lucarioguild7]

@@thatrantinggirl7376 Respectfully, there's definitely some valid criticism of him but this doesn't really discount the view that leftist people in the space are held to a much higher standard by their audience than their peers.

[@brit331]

What is the name of the video?

[@daaara]

I would love a poster or an embroidery that just says "isn't it weird that there are two kinds of berets, and one is for guns and the other is for, like, a mime"

[@fallenlulu1]

Jordan is dead on with the optics thing. Those kind of people are infuriating because they only get mad at the optics of something and never look at the context or nuance of a situation.

[@jbone877]

She con on my text till my op tics

[@henotic.essence]

​@@jbone877I can't breathe 😂😂😂😂😂

[@chronicrow]

people thinking i dont know something when i just have incredible issues recalling specific words even though im very familiar with them is such a pet peeve of mine. especially at work (college info center) bc patrons will assume i dont know shit but i just have bad at speaking syndrome

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

my mom has this issue too. She has an encyclopedic knowledge about large chunks of the history of garment making for women in Western Europe between about 1660-1930, the politicising of women's clothing and bodies and why certain styles down to stitching methods would be used in one instance and not another, resource acquisition and the economies supported through the changing of these fashions, etc. It's fascinating. Does she remember the words for really specific stuff that I know she KNOWS the words for? Rarely. She'll be looking for a super specific needle for a particular fabric and thread combo and just be saying "stabby stab," gesturing to me wildly.

[@chronicrow]

​​@@RealElongatedMuskratI'm literally so lucky my partner can decipher me most of the time lolll i do the same thing

[@Kingbimmy]

I loooooove the resurgence of Pokémon Go. I loved the beauty of that moment we all had when it first came out. It’s just so nice to get a taste of that same moment in time again. I love hearing various KZbinrs talk about being back in it. Love it ❤

[@cctomcat321]

Because it's the first time people left their houses since 2010. I swear the only time my neighborhood reminds me of the way it used to sound is during a random power outtage.

[@StarryMysts]

yeah its awesome!!

[@lyffiewalen]

as someone who's been both running the parasocial relationship gambit and witnessing it from an outside perspective for like ten years, it is really refreshing to see youtubers who both understand the nuances of parasociality and don't manipulate it for platform gain (cough cough dream). I do hope future generations of KZbin take a page from your book in this regard.

[@Donovarkhallum]

You should never form a parasocial relationship. Period. Your streamer / KZbinr doesn't know you, like you, nor would they have the time for you.

[@bug7461]

​@Donovarkhallum I would like to respectfully disagree, parasocial relationships are defined as a one-sided relation where one person puts time and energy for the other without the reciprocators' knowledge. I put time into watching my favorite youtubers, but its not harming me or the content creators

[@Mary1337]

​@@bug7461...It's more than just spending time watching your favourite creator. The casual viewer who spends "time and energy" doesn't think they're a special follower or friends with the creator. It's a strong word and it has meaning. You kind of simplified it.

[@cateweyman1801]

EVERY SINGLE Instagram reels comment section I’ve seen is always filled with “Um actually” or “I can’t believe you…” or “you didn’t mention…” You guys did a great job about talking about the toll of that from a creators perspective. Very therapeutic to hear it dissected and made me feel less crazy for really disliking it. Couldn’t every be a creator myself without losing my mind…props to you guys

[@garbagesalt]

little tip for anyone else in a house with multiple floors - have a key rack or something on the floor you enter and exit from, that way you're less likely to accidentally leave your keys upstairs and it gives you a spot to check first whenever you think you've lost your keys, this is for sure a very basic thing and im sure most people already do this but like i find it so insanely helpful for something so basic lol

[@garbagesalt]

another thing i do, unrelated to the multiple floors thing but related to losing keys or leaving keys places, is i have a copy of my main key attached to my airpods case, cause i noticed whenever i forgot something it was always one or the other, so now i very rarely forget either because they are attached to each other lol

[@garbagesalt]

this is such a tangent and it so unrelated to the episode lmao

[@cceloful]

That's a really helpful tip, I sometimes forget that things can be as simple as this! Thanks 😊

[@GrayYeonWannabe]

it's because our brains like routine. if you have a Designated Spot, you know where to look & ur brain feels good. so you end up establishing a pattern really quickly. i am terrible at keeping things tidy but i never have trouble finding my keys bc ive been using a keyrack for years

[@Eggendary]

speaking of fighting for no reason, the other day my friend and I fought for an hour about whether a latte had to be coffee and milk, AND I WAS RIGHT, a latte doesn't have to EXCLUSIVELY be coffee and milk. even when I proved her right she just said "nuh uh" LIKE

[@skrinkydink459]

latte literally means milk so anything with milk is a latte people will do the most to avoid being wrong about the stupidest things.

[@Nova_the_starcatcher]

​@@skrinkydink459does that mean a milk tea is a latte?

[@skrinkydink459]

@@Nova_the_starcatcher technically yeah! it’s a little different than how we understand a latte because milk tea is usually steeped in the milk itself but latte literally is just Italian for milk so a milk tea would be “te al latte” or tea latte

[@Nova_the_starcatcher]

​@skrinkydink459 hmm cool, It is interesting how many common things are actually just words from other languages - because I know latte is italian but also reading that my brain was like "oh its italian?" lol thanks for sharing

[@skrinkydink459]

@@Nova_the_starcatcher it’s so cool and weird how our brains will learn the same word in different contexts and understand them as completely separate words!

[@MyceliumNebula]

I think you guys had a really nuanced and interesting conversation about the concept of safe spaces, it's hard to come to the conclusion that safe spaces aren't going to be perfect. Recognizing that is a really important aspect of advocating or just being a good "ally" (i hate that term sorry lmao). I see people all the time trying to contort themselves into the most all pleasing community and in a very small few of these spaces even resorting to tactics of harassment comparable to harassment campaigns run by the right. No one space is going to perfect, that's why there's a lot more than one. There's always going to be someone you don't get along with, there's always going to be some weird aspect to your community that someone doesn't vibe with. We are humans, there's irrational reasons for every single thing we think, feel, and do. I'm really sorry if this comes off weird or i said something stupid, i just smoked a bowl AND im autistic, i'd love to clarify anything if i worded it stupid lol

[@chronicrow]

i think you worded this really well but i am also stoned and autistic so i cannot speak for others

[@TheOnlySMAWJ]

adding onto what my fellow stoned autist said, even though we can't create a truly perfect safe space doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

[@chronicrow]

^^ also i feel that a key part of continually trying to provide a safe space just comes in a genuinely open attitude, no one is always perfect but its openless to learn that makes a difference imo

[@Kvothe4]

Neither stoned nor autistic and honestly this is the most articulate and rational take on safe spaces I’ve seen.

[@jariccacierra8445]

I'm trying to think of a non-bigoted reason to hate the word ally, but I can't :/

[@astraynaught9343]

I love that the theme so far (I'm about a third in) seems to be "Knowledge and how to share it with respect" I think especially neurodivergent people find that socialising through "oh!! I know this!! Let me tell you about it!!" is very natural. Every neurodivergent person I've ever met has held me hostage to tell me a random fact about the thing I expressed a small interest in. I have held many people hostage to tell THEM the fact about the thing. Neurotypicals can relate in a gossiping way, so if your interests revolve around pop culture or famous people they feel positively about it, but in general, they end up feeling like you're being a Know It All, or a Mansplainer, etc. But I say there's a difference between "sharing my knowledge" and "showing how smart I am". In cases where it's my field, I am absolutely peacocking lmao, but when it's stuff I just Know or Learned etc, I'm just sharing what I know because I know it! I think it's especially this modern day Virtue Signalling issue that really makes it so much worse these days. Like, when I know a company is evil and bad, I avoid it, but my friends typically don't. I'm fighting constantly with not being That Guy although all my talking points are Real and Well Informed. There's so much mess these days with the way the world is. Nobody fixes the real problems, so us little guys fight ourselves with tiny, fake ones.

[@henotic.essence]

This entire thing. Took the words out of my mouth 💯 absolutely correct. Interacting is so unbearable when you think about it this way 😅😅

[@ghost-husband]

i related way too much to this

[@lonk2026]

thank you! this is such a good way of putting it

[@MyceliumNebula]

the “average person eats 3 spiders a year" factoid actualy just statistical error

[@ZeEbstar]

Oh that Spiders Georg

[@BeeTeaBoi]

Some say Spiders Georg is still eating 10,000 spiders to this day

[@Ghost-lt4sf]

Discretely checking to see if what your friend said is true, and growing as a person enough to not tell them they’re wrong, but still check… IS SUCH A MOOD, lmao

[@Yellowducky665]

It is so healing to hear Jarvis expose the inner world of Pokémon Go….. the community and game ecosystem is so FASCINATING it always was so fun to talk about it with those not in the know

[@CamilleSturges]

The eating spiders thing may be fake, but I had a spider crawl into my ear while I was asleep once. It was just as upsetting as you’re imagining.

[@thatsdisco]

wow, I had that fear as a kid despite it never having happened to me lol. Literally grew up covering my ears with my blanket no matter the temperature. Thanks for the nightmare fuel :')

[@Caveboy0]

Not all medical specialists stay in their lane. My father was a podiatrist and he dealt with the foot and toes once it got into the ankle he was like “not my specialty here are my recommendations for other doctors” but other podiatrist that also don’t specialize in ankles may jump over and give advice. In worst case scenarios I’ve seen specialists running full on like crystal MLM scams in their office. Not to discredit your ENT doctor I just feel like they were speaking outside of their experience.

[@bethanoni95]

Jordan is so right about the vitriol in the fan community of the McElroys. I had to leave fan groups on Facebook because of so much of the hate and Discourse™. And then there's the general Travis hate that seems to be rife in the community, which just borders on ableism a good chunk of the time. Also I nearly left a comment last week saying "the thing Jarvis is talking about is body doubling" and I'm so glad now that I didn't 😅

[@dazedjupiter9073]

I was really into the McElroys a couple years ago and am also on tumblr and I don't really keep up with them anymore but I've seen the posts he's talking about and just like. Of course they're not perfect theyre human for one and for two they are literally white men with a podcast lol. They are in a position of power inherently but they do use that power to be kind to marginalized groups and have representation in their characters and things idk parasocial relationships be crazy

[@clover3124]

I remember Sarah z made a video about the mcelroys a few years ago that was just nitpicking the hell out of them. That was the first time I realized how weird the community could be, because I don't interact with fandoms much. It honestly made me really sad.

[@moldyboy354]

im really glad i always stayed out of the fandom because the vitriol is incredibly heartbreaking to me. they feel like genuinely good people and continue to make a conscious effort to be kind. the Travis thing is personally upsetting to me as a person with a personality disorder like...... yea fuck him i guess for showing symptoms of a chronic illness damn

[@helplessheroine2641]

I've been a fan of them for years but never kept up with any of the fan communities. Sometimes I'd still see things people said about them and it was often so unnecessarily harsh??? People seem to expect them to be infallible for some reason

[@rabbit6546]

@@moldyboy354LITERALLY THO I feel like such a travis apologist bc it’s like yeah he’s done things that aren’t great But Also he literally has a personality disorder that is massively stigmatised and people wouldn’t even realise it bc he’s so good at managing it and working on himself like. It kinda makes me mad how little grace or understanding is given to ppl just bc the internet doesn’t want to acknowledge the good in those they have decided they don’t like for whatever arbitrary reason

[@topotondo828]

Totally feeling Jarvis's story about getting a second medical opinion... I fractured my fifth metatarsal in early July and I saw two doctors who told me I didn't need surgery. Reached out to a family friend who is a foot specialist and he was like "Yeah you need surgery ASAP"... I understand the doctors I saw before him weren't specialists, but it's scary to think that I could have just taken their word for it and potentially have never gotten surgery that I needed.

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

within the first 60 seconds of the pod I did not expect Jordan's "when I am inevitably killed..." 💀

[@wogimmmm]

dude I loved hearing their conversation about the way progressive folks online are fucking evicorated by their fan base. I always wonder how old those people are, cause I was definitely one of those people when I was in high school. I was slowly dying of an undiagnosed genetic condition, had severe undiagnosed cptsd and moral OCD. in that world of death and neglect I just … lost my mind? like my OCD ritual was literally looking at those ‘ur fave is problematic’ threads FOR HOURS. I did this everyday, multiple times a day, for at least a year. I’m so relieved I never posted anything … because if I had it would have been a violent level of disgusting bullshit. My whole life, parasocial relationships with KZbinrs and Podcasters felt like the only safe relationships. And this was before parasocial was a common word. My little brain couldn’t tell the difference, didn’t understand how influencers were taking the place of parents and adult role models. Then I started to get really sick, I lost my ability to swallow more than a little food and my chronic pain kept me awake and out of my mind at all times. I barely remember what happened, but there was some random scandal with my favorite podcasters, and it broke me. Like full psychotic break probably… every bit of hatred that should have been directed at the people who neglected and abused me became targeted at online personalities. After that break it felt like I couldn’t trust anyone, and that anything ‘problematic’ was unclean, I couldn’t love it without being the monster my upbringing convinced me I was. It made me the exact stereotype of a hysterical, violently contempt filled sjw. I feel torn seeing those people now, because I wonder if they’re young like I was. Are they dying too? Are they being abused? Is their brain shriveled up from starvation? Are they unable to ever sleep? Are they in mind breaking pain? I think I give them too much credit.. I’m sure lots of these people are saner than I was, and obviously the reasons don’t change the intensity and horribleness of that abuse and bullying. I just always wonder if they’re Kids, lashing out and being stupid because they’re terrified of the one oasis in their world becoming as violent as their real life. Kids are fucking mean, they’re cruel, and they’re especially cruel if they feel like they have a reason (and something seeming yikes is a tempting reason). It’s weird seeing that violent cruelty hitting adults. Anyway … it’s 1:40 where I live and hearing them talk about sparked a lot of thoughts.

[@wogimmmm]

chronically online kids are a fucking menace …

[@wogimmmm]

I don’t really ever comment and definitely not on a video with so few comments. Honestly just leaving this up kinda tickles that CPSTD moral OCD panicked part of my brain. Im a work in progress. These days I just mostly stay offline and enjoy life, college, and take care of myself. (I’m also an ex member of the new age spiritually Nommy cult I was raised in, which realllly primed me for all the above shit) So I kinda hope this is long enough that no one reads it. Honestly all I meant to say was that when I see fans being so chronically online and cruel I always wonder if they’re mostly misguided kids, or if it’s experienced adults acting like this. But then I ended up spilling my guts….

[@ogolthorp]

Hey. I don’t have anything to add. I just wanna say I read your comment and am glad you’re in a better mental space.

[@inazonitobe737]

You know he's addicted to pokemon go when he tells strangers he'll meet up with them if they're a high level.

[@fredskull1618]

Creating safe spaces is indeed an ongoing learning process, especially as communities diversify. Parasocial relationships are another nuanced area; content creators must manage expectations while still fostering a sense of community. Self-censorship is particularly challenging in live streaming where a single comment can have lasting repercussions.

[@Donovarkhallum]

The concept of a safe space is kinda cringe. Just have. A cool community and ban the weirdos.

[@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa]

⁠@@DonovarkhallumEh, I think safe spaces can be very important for certain groups of people, but the degree to which those can feasibly exist in (for example) random streamer/youtube communities should probably be a bit tempered. There are definitely spaces that are created for that purpose, but other than that I agree it’s kind of what you said - try your best to foster a cool community and ban the weird ones

[@Benjamin-cu2vb]

9:15 I cannot explain how much I relate to this and how nice it is to experience that. Every episode is such a cozy neurospicy-coded chats. I’ve been really struggling with being isolated due to disability and I don’t have many people in my life I can look up to, learn from or relate to. I really appreciate hearing the thoughtful and genuine conversations you guys have. It’s very insightful.

[@noahm.7850]

This sounds crazy, but reach out to older and respected people in your community if you have a good creep radar. Lots of good people that give off parental/aspirational energy and lots of people that understand how diverse and hard life is, despite the greater population of KZbin commenters😂

[@cerysxox]

love the guest episodes but there’s something magical about a da boyz episode hahaha

[@droctogonapus1223]

at risk of sounding like the same thing jarvis is describing, sometimes comments are not even left for the creator of the video, and just left to give other viewers more information.

[@messymari]

Hi, commenter from the other video here that Jarvis was referring to around the 28:00 mark. Just wanted to say that this is in line with my intention. He clearly knew what body doubling was, I was hoping to share a little information about the different recources I've found useful just in case anyone watching was interested in trying it out themselves. I added a lil comment under my original one when I got to the point in the podcast where he remembered the word to say something like "oops, he mentioned it!" I suppose I should have edited my original comment instead. My bad. Truly feel yucky that I gave him any negative feelings with my comment. I'm sorry, Jarvis! Appreciate your work immensely! 🤟🏻

[@char1211]

​@@messymari I totally get that you feel bad, I would too if I was you, but please know that you didn't do anything wrong! I love going to the comment section exactly because of comments like that and it's both helpful and interesting to share your knowledge on a subject even if the creator themselves don't need the input. Idk I really relate to feeling icky because someone misunderstood your intentions when trying to be informative and being misunderstood by a creator you admire can suck even more because it feels like that'll be the only impression they ever have of you? Sorry if I'm just rambling but you're not alone, communication is difficult and parasocial relationships are weird!

[@eskykitty]

i’m glad you got answers about your sleep apnea jarvis! having a discussion with the people who actually did the study was definitely the right call.

[@localcaitortot]

The McElroy situation is so depressing; the really preachy and rude fans ran everyone else out of the fan spaces. I don't like telling people that I'm a big McElroy fan because I don't want to be associated with the community anymore.

[@lucianh9465]

there seems to be an expectation that to like or support somebody with a platform you have to agree with absolutely everything they do, and that is really tied in with the concept of safe spaces, but like jarvis and jordan talked about, there isnt a way to make a space where everyone feels completely good and great all the time. people are complex and will say and do things you dont agree with. there are of course degrees to which each person may find things acceptable and not, but im not talking about anything extreme. surrounding yourself with only people who agree with you in every way is how you enter an echo chamber where you lose access to new ideas and knowledge that will help you grow. i get wanting to feel a certain sense of comfort from the content you consume, but especially with regard to Internet personalities, there are regular people behind the stuff you like watching. nobody is a perfect beacon of goodness, wholesomeness, morality or what have you. and it feels like something a lot of folks arent willing to acknowledge or grapple with. theres no requirements to being an Internet creator. at the end of the day thats just some guy you dont know fully, and its a big ask that is unreasonable to expect somebody to do and say everything you think they have to.

[@LeftPhilip]

There can be a middle ground where someone isn't given the opportunity to publicly dismiss their controversies on your platform, or at the very least you can talk about how their mistakes hurt people and what they can do better next time.

[@fiercebaldguy]

Holy shit, I was JUST saying that same thing about (some of) the McElroy brothers fans! I love their stuff and have been a fan for years, but I feel like I see "fans" of theirs online who just straight up sound like they don't like them and what they do...

[@thatsdisco]

yeah, same, I rarely mention to folks that I still listen to mBmBaM weekly.. just cause some folks then clearly have an opinion they are keeping themselves from blurting out...

[@fiercebaldguy]

@@thatsdisco Haha, I keep telling people about them in an effort to recruit more normal/chill people 😂

[@rayhem]

1:42:23 love when jordan spontaneously changes accents "birthday🇬🇧 parties🇺🇸" lol

[@TheJeannag]

Somehow, Jordan being unceremoniously removed and Jarvis having a 144p AI version of him on deck is big "Woody waving a dismembered Buzz Lightyear arm around to be accepted back into society" energy

[@certifiedgreg_rose]

It's ironic that the Sad Boyz always make me Happy when they post 😊

[@ashtheprofessor]

first time i’m hearing we don’t eat spiders in our sleep. as someone with arachnophobia this is relieving as hell but also now i feel stupid for believing it

[@bellac6311]

id rather have believed it and it not be true, than not believe it and it turning out to be true...

[@gebediah]

Your thing about being afraid of being wrong....felt. Once i signed a serious professional email about work permits to my future boss GEB instead of Gen, and my friends still call me Gebediah. It's been six years. I still triple read every email i send.

[@-desertpackrat]

36:30 also the really sad thing is, when you give people a safe space they start to gain confidence with you as if you're closer friends, as Jarvis says, how it's a parasocial thing typically. But then suddenly they feel more comfortable to call you out over a mistake, because they know you'll apologize or feel bad. They won't ever talk back to their own bullies IRL because they can't mistreat someone who intimidates them, and because you don't want to intimidate your audience, they actually feel safe to mistreat you because they're letting all of their malice at the RL bullies who are too scary to fight, come out on you because you don't want to fight or be mean. While it's a good thing for super anxious people in marginalized grouos, to be in a safe place and gain confidence, they need to also be taught boundaries. Even people who are marginalized will marginalize others who they should be allies with, if they get that taste of confidence and power. It's a delicate balance and so even people who know what it's like to be yelled at, will start yelling at you when they sense that you won't yell back like their dad, and mom, and teacher, and bullies and friends, and everyone they want to yell at, but are afraid of. And so because they see you as a safe friend, sadly, they take it all out on you instead of realizing that you're one of the only people who would validate and respect them if not for some mistake you made that offended them. My family misgenders me sometimes or says the wrong name, but I know they respect me and it's only because they're having trouble breaking a very long habit, so I don't get annoyed every time, because it's so much more important to have them as allies than to nit-pick at their Freudian slips and accuse them of demeaning me when they've been trying so hard to respect my wishes. This is called picking your battles, realizing something isn't worth arguing, especially whe you know the person you're arguing with knows what's right and they just slipped or they didn't think of it the way you think they did, so you're just telling them what they know and nagging, like an angry toxic parent yelling at their kid for not making the bed ("are you stupid? Are your arms broken? You can't make your bed when I tell you to?" You're just being demeaning to get someone to jump through your hoops). We need to stop haranguing allies for every mistake because we're afraid to go yell at the actual transphobes and homophobes and racists, and allies don't want to fight with us so it's less scary for our social anxiety that magically goes away when we're yelling at people who won't yell back (you know who you are). It's pathetic, sucker punching someone who isn't fighting you in the first place. Like you can point out a mistake politely if you actually think they don't know, but you know damn well they aren't the kind of person to purposely disrespect people so why freak out and harass them? Because you're taking out ehat OTHER people did to you, on the person whonis easier for you to feel comfortable yelling at. It's not fair.

[@rabbit6546]

The thing I find difficult is the balance between ‘people are annoying and you can be annoyed with them without it meaning anything more than surface level’ and ‘this feels mean’ LOL like having auDHD I get really frustrated w ppl p easily but also growing up w that idea that if you say anything negative about someone but don’t say it to their face you’re disingenuous or like you’re not allowed to complain about issues that other ppl wish they’d have kinda thing it’s so annoying Like I’m sure people I like have gotten really annoyed w me and that doesn’t feel good on the RSD vibes but also like. I’m annoying they’re annoying we’re all annoying let’s just accept that LMAO

[@Dapper_Warlock]

Genuinely did a double take when BDG suddenly got edited in saying hello. Excellent joke on the editor's part XDDD

[@monikavalentine1181]

I'm a trans woman and it's so fucking relieving and encouraging to hear just normal guys, regular human people, being understanding and nuanced about trans people

[@freakenstein1204]

as a trans person, seeing people refer to not calling kanye by ye as deadnaming is pretty insulting. it comes from a good place often, but it makes light of what deadnaming actually is. deadnaming is a purposeful and hostile insult and refusal to respect someone for who they are. it's used to mock and belittle, to be cruel and even to out people and put them in harm's way. it aint the same as a cis man changing his stage name for the millionth time to try to distract from his nazi arc

[@CitBox]

It gives off the vibe of the super straight thing, but seemingly not a blatantly bad faith construct.

[@iamKillwell]

I would have known that dinosaurs can pee. I grew up near a mall that used to have a McDonald's in it, and for no ostensible reason the McDonalds had a giant dinosaur statue. You could sit under it there was one table under the dino. And if you looked up, you could see his lizard flap and peen... again for no ostensible reason.

[@SacredAssault]

I don’t have any social media so Sad Boyz is my go to podcast to catch up on shit that’s going on in the internet world lmao

[@Vampress09]

Your life must be so peaceful. I'm jealous.

[@SacredAssault]

@@Vampress09 I highly recommend it!

[@bellac6311]

oh yeah same, i use social media now just to see what posts my family have tagged me in, and to keep updates on shows/artists new releases and stuff. as soon as i stopped being chronically online everything just felt so much lighter and ive never looked back

[@freewave04]

18:32 3 kinds of berets: Ladies, Mimes, and Military

[@thatsdisco]

MLM: Military, Ladies and Mimes

[@hsmorg3640]

As someone who has never stopped playing Pokemon Go, it's actually adorable and hilarious what Jarvis is so enamored by these days

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I've never played it but I really want to, I'm just not someone who's ever done gaming stuff of any kind (when I tried as a kid my brother bullied tf outta me to such an extent that I'm traumatised as a young adult about it 😅). It seems so fun, I've just got no idea how or where to start trying to find a sense of community doing it. Like I'm almost embarrassed to even start, if that makes sense? My brother really hammered home the "games aren't for girls" thing so I think I have a bit of a mental block that I'm still unpacking.

[@jaydarenee6657]

Jarvis' curls look great!

[@HoneyLavenderMacchiato]

I never thought I'd find another soul brave enough to tell the truth: Pikachu is a triflin, dirty, silly-ass rat and needs to be Dealt With. Thank you for your service, Jordan.

[@Emmettandstuff]

As a member of a marginalized community, what you all discussed around 34:06 really made me think about the types of content I engage with and why, and I wanted to present the point that while you as creators cannot guarantee a 100% safe space (in comment sections, chats, etc) because you can’t control what other people do and you can’t fully know what may make someone feel unsafe or uncomfortable, I personally find a lot of comfort and merit in the fact that I know you as individuals support me in my minority status and I would never feel unsafe around either of you. I don’t speak for everyone of course but my personal experiences with your content do make me feel safe and seen because of how you have expressed your support of my community and that knowledge in itself has created a safe space for me to turn on a video and feel comfortable that I’m going to be presented with content and ideas that align with my feeling of safety

[@Guineapigsreadingbooks]

I think that for me the question of whether people want to do the best and be supportive is much more important than accidental slip ups and ignorance. If I don’t know where someone stands, I have to be on alert for dog whistles and such, and try to figure it out. If they express their support, I can relax and breathe.

[@WaterWolf.]

It's nice hearing Jarvis' experience getting back into pokemon go. I got my mom into the game back in 2016, and have been playing consistently since. I imagine I'd have stopped at some point if it wasn't for her playing as well, but having the game in common and getting a bit competitive about getting levels and shinies is still so much fun!

[@heymalma]

The lil “We Didn’t Start The Fire” parody cracked me up because my 9th grade history teacher made the whole class write parodies with current world events or trends and perform them in front of the class. It was so bad

[@peytonsturdivant8392]

"I wanna blend him with my AK" i see Jordan is adjusting to the American lifestyle

[@staffykclips]

You guys are like the weird friends I had growing up

[@Perepeteia]

Can relate to looking random stuff up just to learn so much. Can't help searching info about anything that seems interesting; even with languages, if I suddenly can't remember a word from one of the languages I've been learning, I'm not gonna look just that one word up, I'll also search for synonyms and synonyms of synonyms 🙃🙃

[@henotic.essence]

I like Jordan's "accidental car crash" metaphor for the commenters explaining body doubling to Jarvis 😂

[@joearnold6881]

Jarvis’ hair looks amazing. Almost as good as the green socks Jordan has on

[@DiviNazuphus]

One thing a lot of people don't get anymore is that people can change, The modern internet has been around for quite a while now and someone will drag out a tweet or video from like 10+ years ago and be like "Hey look at how shitty this person is." and its like, They literally aren't even that person anymore, even if they hold the same values, so much time has passed that too much of anyone changes by that point to even consider it a valid viewpoint to look at who they are now. I'm not saying completely disregard anything anyone has ever done in the past, but grabbing some random tweet/video/comment whatever from the past and shoving it around like its the sole core of who that person is, is just foolish. Beyond foolish really.

[@cctomcat321]

When people do that, it's just them trying to drag others down so they feel better than whatever random commenter or post they're engaging with. It's about aesthetics, not morality.

[@Guineapigsreadingbooks]

I am glad that I didn’t put most of my opinions when I was younger on a public forum like the internet. A lot of opinions I had have changed since, because I have learnt more about the world, and meet people who introduced me to new perspectives.

[@forcefedsoup]

for whatever fucking reason as a kid i didnt believe in santa or the tooth fairy but i FULLY believed in the easter bunny. I have no idea why. the day my mom broke the news to me that santa wasnt real i remember saying "I KNEW IT!! AND NEITHER IS THE TOOTH FAIRY" and my mom said "nope... and neither is the easter bunny" and i remember my stomach dropping and going "WHAT?!" and bursting into tears. i mustve been 11.

[@lilliputianhitcher3808]

my partner recently got dx’d with sleep apnea and have a c-pap machine now - they’re very quiet and minimal now compared to like 15 years ago, and it has improved their sleep and overall energy levels a lot

[@hellodarling6251]

Jordan, you deserve a goddamn hug at the very least. WAY more credit / respect / appreciation imo, that's just me though☀

[@Donovarkhallum]

I'm sure they can aquire a hug if they desire thirsty lady.

[@emilyweaver]

I've had surgery for deviated septum. The recovery (when they put a splint in your nose) absolutely sucks 👍 good luck!

[@ellkell]

Re @10:00, I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and part of the diagnosis had me going back through old report cards from elementary school. The most common comment I got from teachers was "she clearly knows the answer, but never raises her hand". Also did dinosaurs pee? My guess is it's like birds/reptiles where it's more like a pee-poo. And yes I did Google this to make sure my guess was right before posting.

[@WhatDoYouMeanBiThat]

My friend and I walked 16 miles in one day at the beginning of Pokémon go and then we never played it again - was great while it lasted 😂

[@FayePhoenix13]

Yikes Jordan! You're friends with Jarvis. Have you not seen his video on Spending a Week With Everyone In The Metaverse?

[@orion10x10]

Jarvis should really check out the book "Breath" By James Nestor, he talks about breath work and documents a scientific study him and someone else undergoes where they plug up their nose to document the effects of mouth breathing, they're really bad, a key difference is that your nose pressurizes, warms and moistens the air for your lungs and we have paranasal glands in the back of our noses that produce nitric oxide a vasodilator. I hope Jarvis feels better

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I think about this a lot because I have a lot of sinus issues that make it really hard to breathe through my nose. It's so painful and idk what to do about it because I've never gotten anywhere with doctors (they just kinda say yeah that sucks).

[@maggotqu33n]

@@RealElongatedMuskratomg same with me. i have a deviated septum and i know most people do but i literally can’t breathe from one nostril and it makes breathing with my mouth closed feel impossible a lot of the times. especially since deviated septums can cause sinus trouble so it can get even worse at times. but my dr is always like “its not a problem” so i guess i’ll just die or something lmao

[@AverageMiner]

I want to touch on the Pokémon Go: I went to my first event at Go Fest, I was just going out on a walk with my girlfriend and we kind of stumbled into a large crowd of people at the park and got a couple Raquazas. It’s cool how open everything was and how many people still play and play together.

[@Lucarioguild7]

That's one thing that's kept me playing Pokemon Go through thick and thin is how wildly diverse and active the player base is. I love the fact that for a lot of cities and towns the Pokemon Go grannies are the leaders of those communities and the most hardcore but at the same time their only exposure to Pokemon is through Go, it's always a good chuckle to hear how they pronounce the names of pokemon because of this.

[@rabbit6546]

Second comment time on the subject of safe spaces, I’m going to briefly echo a lot of the other comments I agree w that often safe spaces aren’t actually all that safe from the level of like monitoring and pressure you feel in them, and that people put far too much reliance on other people on the internet to create spaces for them instead of trying to engage in building spaces for themselves and working within communities they have access to in person What I will say tho is that while I can be disappointed in creators I enjoy that feel ‘safe’ to me at times w things they say or do, I can also understand that that doesn’t make them ‘unsafe’ which I think is a problem a lot of ppl online have where being less than perfect suddenly equals bad. I think it’s more important to me to have people I like and respect online have those moments where I disagree w them but ultimately understand that this person would still stick up for/affirm me vibe, it doesn’t have to be so black and white where ppl must be infallible or they’re unworthy and I think ppl can be lured into a false sense of security around those who haven’t like outright said the things that would make them ‘unsafe’ bc they know to maintain their image Basically I’d rather people be human than ‘safe’

[@isabelflann4087]

True emotional safety is when we all feel accepted for the flawed individuals we are. There are a small percentage of truly malicious people out there, but even some of them can be reached with chillness and compassion.

[@elena_eleen]

Moment of appreciation! I always have work on Saturdays and listening to this podcast has become a staple of my Saturday morning routine. Thanks Jarvis and Jordan!

[@tandemausprite]

i recently found this podcast and something about the connection you guys have is so healing. i’ve been struggling to go out and see my friends due to MDD & anxiety and stuff, but when i’m struggling I can put this on and feel like i’m in a convo with people i’m comfortable with, it’s really nice.

[@hoodedferret]

Love the new hair, Jarvis! Shaved sides looks so good with curly hair.

[@sadlad69]

Haven't seen just the boys in a while, this is so wholesome

[@eirinnskecomics]

Hi Jarvis, I doubt you’ll read this but I wanted to share my experience. I just had my deviated septum “fixed” on August 10th. By my birthday (the 19th) I was still feeling so bad I cancelled all my plans and took another week off work. On the 25th I had a nosebleed so bad I went back to the hospital and had my nose cauterised. I saw the ENT again on the 30th who said my septum is trying to push itself back into its original position, making it impossible to breathe through my right aside and basically making the surgery a waste of time and money. It’s apparently very rare so I’m just very unlucky and will need to have corrective surgery which will cost me ~$1450 out of pocket on top of the ~$4000 I already paid. I really hope yours goes much smoother and you’re able to podcast. The nasal flushes are the worst and take some getting used to. Best of luck!

[@LilaTheMoo]

Was hanging out with some friends, watching Coraline. This movie was my jam when it first came out, so at some point I mention how it was directed by the same person who directed Nightmare Before Christmas, Henry Selick. Friend said they thought so too, but he only produced it they said. I went with it because I can be wrong and it didn't seem super important to correct. But I HAD to know. I check out wikipedia, and sure enough, it's Henry Selick. I was pleased with myself, but damn if I'm sharing that with friends after that.

[@franjkav]

My last ex said he loved that I would whip my phone out to look things up all the time and I think it’s one of the best compliments I’ve ever gotten.

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I love when I meet people like that because I'm the same and I wanna know what fun stuff you've discovered! Any fun facts are always welcome.

[@thatsdisco]

Keeping this curiosity and enthusiam for the world and knowledge and life itself is always a good thing

[@mapleisntsyrup]

dude i absolutely LOVE pokemon go im so so excited to hear other people talk about still playing it. it's one of my favourite games!! and also, like, it's free so weirdly it's one of the most easily-accessible pokemon games? all you need is your phone and as much as they encourage you make microtransations, it's still free to play and i do really really appreciate that for it

[@VultureSkins]

46:19 I work at my college’s front desk and during a single orientation, the man who was helping people find their classes went So Hard that he ended up with like 50,000 steps. I didn’t have much context for that number until you talked about it, so he seems extra cool to me now lol. Guy is like in his 60s, maybe 70s, and he’s just truckin’

[@Inkinhart]

That's a bonkers number! I feel like death when I get 15,000 so I cannot imagine 50,000!

[@user-unfriendly_-o-]

I love how the Boyz believe that vtuber fans don't know they are watching normal ass streamers but with an animated avatar 😂

[@catscratchqueen]

for jarvis: use qtips to gently clean around ur incision/ pick boogers out of ur nose and put vaseline on it to keep it moist :) i had my sinuses and septum fixed at the same time and doing those things (as told by my ENT) really helped my recovery go smoothly

[@lilred7291987]

I have 2 hours left of work before a holiday weekend. THANK YOU SADBOYZ

[@VultureSkins]

Only one and a half now!

[@crtfcd]

It is time!

[@erinifty]

The brief discussion of deadnaming in reference to Kanye was refreshingly concise. I observe so many people being willfully ignorant on the topic and this reminded me that thankfully there are folks who not only want to understand but also put in the work to do so.🤗

[@ViesFreequencies]

Thank you Jarvis for providing the boogie to Jordan's "it's electric" 😂😂😂 literally I was outloud saying the same thing when you started

[@StarryMysts]

45:40 i relate so much like ... if im not on pokemon go i see no reason to go outside

[@bethieboobear9566]

In Boston, on some streets they’ve actually put in physical barriers between the bike line and road so the cars literally cannot drive in it.

[@Guineapigsreadingbooks]

That sounds great. In my city, the bike lane and the bus lane are the same. As a bike rider, it is terrifying to ride on my designated lane, feeling the huge bus behind me, full of annoyed people because I don’t go as quickly as a bus would usually. Or alternatively, riding behind a bus and then it suddenly stops because of a bus stop, and spewing hot fumes in my face as I have to quickly stop.

[@SilverDragonJay]

yep, that's really what you have to do. A lot of people don't seem to realize it but bikes are neither pedestrians nor cars, they're a third thing and they need dedicated infrastructure. Ideally: infrastructure that is part of its own system instead of paralleling roads because no matter how nice the bollards are separating car traffic from bike traffic, its still not ideal riding beside a busy road. Since bikes take up less space, produce less noise, and are less dangerous to pedestrians, the most ideal situation would have bike paths snaking around through and between housing. That way the people living in and near that housing has easy access to bike infrastructure (which makes them more likely to _use_ the infrastructure) and it also enables you to give the bikes shorter, easier routes then what the cars get. Because if you're on a bike you really do want the shortest route possible, but if you're in a car it doesn't really matter because you're going faster with less effort to begin with. Sorry, I like this type of conversation.

[@Guineapigsreadingbooks]

@@SilverDragonJay I used to live in Houten, Netherlands, the most bike friendly city in Europe. It was great. Cars had to drive around the town to get into the center, while bikes and pedestrians could weave through. And Instead of car streets next to side walks, there were bike streets next to side walks. Now I live in a different city, with shitty bike infrastructure. The ability to bike safely is one of the few things I really miss.

[@MoDFoX]

1:39:06 “I hate that my brain doesn’t work” I had a physiological response to this, I know this feeling too well.

[@MrsHellraizer]

Wow! I am in shock! I never ever thought that the urban legend about spiders might have come from Norway! We hardly have any spiders!!

[@sterric401]

Lol needing a dopamine hit to build good habits is so relatable. Somehow the promise of new cute Pokémon are the rewards that really gets my brain going. I have never had better sleep habits than since I started playing Pokémon sleep. The promise of new Pokémon waiting for me in the morning, and knowing I'll be rated at the end of the week for how stable my sleep pattern has been has just completely killed my midnight doom scrolling habit haha.

[@carterrrrrrr]

i took a sleep study to try and see why i have so much trouble with sleep and it was the WORST NIGHT OF SLEEP IVE EVER HAD. like i don’t get how the data’s meant to be accurate when i got like three hours of sleep cause i was covered in glue and electrodes and wires, not to mention the fact that i couldn’t use any of my normal things that help me sleep (listening to music or a podcast or reading etc) also that was like 5 months ago and they still haven’t gotten around to analysing the data??? yeah idk sleep studies r weird

[@genericname8727]

My sleep study data was analysed very quickly. 5 months sounds bizarre to me.

[@macularius]

jarvis's giant pokemon plush just looking on in somber judgment from the shelf as jordan describes his undying hatred of pikachu

[@snuggldungeon]

Dinosaurs don't pee or poop technically, they'd be like lizards or birds with cloacas. They only go Number 3

[@fullshewolf]

Your story about raiding with the maintenance person reminded me of a time my husband and I took a gym that was immediately taken back from us, looked around, and saw that the ONLY other person around was a police officer sitting in a cop car in the parking lot so we knew he was just sitting on the gym keeping anyone else from taking it lol (anyway acab)

[@catsseighteen4365]

Jarvis, i am the same way about wanting to be right/never wanting to be wrong. When people suggest a solution to some medical or scientific pondérante that’s highly unlikely, I’m like “no that’s not how it works”