Spillage

The plaintiff hired the defendant to fix her toilet. Unfortunately, the plaintiff claims the defendant flooded the bathroom and ruined the ceiling below, so she’s suing for a refund. The defendant insists he offered a rebate for the repairs, but the plaintiff refused and never provided him with an estimate.
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[@kiakiabia]

They never care about folks being unlicensed until it’s time for court 😅😂😂😂

[@jasonmccann8023]

💯 💯 Right😂😂

[@87juicyfruit]

Exactly! They are all for whatever is cheapest then mad when they get cheap work done. Just do your research and pay once for the experience licensed person.

[@Derriayers]

She had no problem with him not being licensed when she paid them

[@LiveGrowRescue]

Licensed or not, he still did the job and FIXED IT! This lady is exhausting.

[@Kre410]

What about the doctrine of clean hands?

[@jasminepitts3979]

Amen to that!

[@stevenp25100]

So price is based on a license plumber while the owner is sending a layman with a stepstool. That guy needs to lose his business

[@16MedicRN]

Omgosh, she was exhausting. How did she get this far in life without understanding you pay for work done 😳

[@marleonetti7]

@@stevenp25100 pretty much every licensed contractor of any kind hires workers to do the work under their license and training and its very common for licensed contractors to send their workers to do the actual work and its perfectly legal too so your comment shows that u dont know too much about how most contractors work .

[@ellewright6991]

Her trying to get them in trouble for not being licensed, and using it as an excuse to get money back... bro, you knew but you still got them to go ahead and do your toilet 😂 this woman is a prime example of wanting everything for free!!!!!!! I can guarantee you that she's done this to so many people!!! 😡

[@pammers5588]

Very true. It's unconscionable

[@oldageisdumb]

I thought that was lousy. She was going to tattle to get her money back even though the unlicensed kid did an ok job

[@ismaelrodriguez6420]

My thoughts precisely! The fact he was unlicensed was fine until it was time to ask for her money back. She is a scammer.

[@robbiecopeland9039]

Licensed plumber here… you DO have to have a license to pull a toilet, because pulling a toilet breaks a seal and exposes the place to toxic sewer gasses.

[@cdecola]

How are you gonna request a service, accept those services, pay for those services and then try to get your money back after the job was completed? Some people really should be countersued for wasting time.

[@popeye82]

The loser usually has to pay the court costs. So they do have out of pocket expenses, generally, for losing.

[@KingmanRoss]

Astonishing how many people try to sue for illegitimate or illegal reasons just to get out of paying.

[@VanessaSamparras]

It’s the case of “I’m sick of your crap” 😂 get it?

[@mercedeshughes3350]

lol

[@stephaniezuniga5835]

Good one😅😅😅

[@Fiery.Dragon]

If your pipes are blocked 3 times in 4 years, do not call the same company again, get someone who's got a camera they can put down the pipe, identify if there's grease, a broken pipe, roots, whatever, and have it taken care of properly. It's so difficult to live in a home where your sewage lines back up yearly.

[@FenderBender5150]

She probably had all this done...but replacing a line to a septic tank can cost $5,000 or more...so as the judge said kicking the can down the road.

[@Dennismadeacomment]

A few hundo to unblocked a line good to go for a while. To send a camera that might start at $400 and go up from there Depending on how many feet they have to send through the line.

[@xonx209]

Exactly. If she wants to save money, she should have the problem fixed once and for all.

[@shabless81]

My line to the sewer has roots come through and every summer I have a company grind them out for under $300. To permanently fix the pipe is $16,000-$18,000. I have no idea how long Ill have this house but I think Ill let the next owner handle this one.

[@themrs.1200]

@@shabless81Hope you disclose that when sell it. If you do, it will probably be a concession to them anyway. If you don’t and they find evidence of the historical and undisclosed issue, you’ll probably end up paying for it. In other words, either way you probably pay for it in some manner.

[@marcdinsmore8690]

This is the way the big name plumbing franchises work: a few licensed guys and some techs. Licensed guys sign off on the work the techs do. Perfectly legit. She should've fixed it right the first time instead of doing the same thing 3 times in 4 years and she'd have saved money.

[@shelberz1]

Thank you. Well said

[@jackiewelch85]

Its always funny to me that people dont want their last names revealed like NOBODY knows them.

[@The_Real_Mier]

Yet somehow I (luckily!) never see the real names in the comments, so it works. I guess it is mainly to prevent random people from looking them up and finding where they live, just for fun. Or on the other hand: prevent future employers to find them in a court case about who knows what, even decades later. And then again: how would I know why they choose that option? I’m just guessing and making assumptions….LOL.

[@BobBlumenfeld]

This woman wants not only the supposed up-charge back, she wants the whole cost back. And she hasn't even mentioned the tile damage as a factor. So what part of what they did does she think they deserve to be paid for? Nothing, apparently. Isn't that what some people do in restaurants? Complain that they want their entire meal comped because the food was so bad they almost couldn't finish it?

[@payableondeath9091]

FR🤣💀If I don't like some food I bought at a restaurant I return it right away not keep eating it; ppl that ate majority of their meal then complain are a nuisance to society

[@marleonetti7]

all the sudden this lady cares about licenses when she decided she needs money so she tried to use the legal system to get free work .

[@Konouj]

​@@payableondeath9091Judge Judy 101

[@aerotaken5357]

​@@Konouj"you ate the steak" - JJ

[@badgurl5758]

Hope you all have a wonderful day and stay safe out there 🌟

[@lostsoul1278]

Right back at ya...lol

[@kraxzy_uses_code_skills_yt6401]

You too❤

[@susanstribe4914]

Same to you!😊

[@shellwilliams6306]

You as well

[@renea228]

Same to you!

[@cbro2807]

She really thought she found a loophole to avoid paying for the work. 🙄

[@projectionv.accountability1010]

She doesn't get it. She wasn't being told to pay them then not have the work done then pay someone else... the point, grumpy lady, is you approved the cost. BEFORE that was when you could've hired someone else. How do you make it to that age and not understand really, really simple things...

[@raizinboyz]

Just like she said if she stopped with those guys at 700, she’d be starting from scratch which wouldn’t be true in the least.

[@vorco8120]

@@raizinboyz It’s as the judge said, the lady wants to pay them for the results she wanted. But if they performed the cheaper service (which who wouldn’t want the cheaper cost) and they are unable to reach the desired result, they still deserve to get paid for the service they provided. It’s not like they were just standing around doing nothing. They used tools, they spent time there, and she agreed to all of the work that was done. Her problem was that she did not want to pay them because they didn’t resolve the issue to how she desired it to be. Then to look for another company to charge her the same price or more, and all because she wanted the cheaper option rather than the middle cost to actually get a more desirable result. I hope this helps to clarify the situation.

[@hadley407]

This lady was unreasonable for thinking she could get all her money back but what she should have gotten was the cost to have her toilet reset by a licensed plumber

[@leddoandroidgirl]

Towards the end when she asks the judge how it's fair she should paid 750 if it's not fixed means she 1000% knew it was 750 and not 400 the whole time

[@joemancurreri6635]

she's an old hag. just miserable person.. most likely has no friends,

[@BobBlumenfeld]

I don't trust people who wear a perpetual little frozen smile. If they're smiling even when they're losing, how sincere was the smile beforehand?

[@rockobill7637]

my ex-wife was like that...same frozen smile as she was saying she was going to kill me

[@heidicrimmings9615]

Thank you!!!

[@calikat8654]

"I'm sick of your crap" 🤣🤣 they doing too much

[@34stzoo]

Funny story. I had a plumbing company come out to unclog my drain line. It was an after-hour call and I can't stress enough the emergency of having the line cleared. It cost me $2K once everything was said and done. Then that company reaches out to me to inform me about a potential danger of that line failing. They ran a camera through it once it was done, and found a couple compromising spots in the pipe. They quoted me $9K to install a sleeve in the drain line. What this company was not aware of is that my day job is working in Building Maintenance in a highrise officer building. I contacted the company I used for work. They do new construction and they don't make after-hours calls. When I told my contact person the price he started laughing; he said and I quote. We can get a couple of guys to dig up the old pipe and replace it with a new one for half the price. And once I sent him the video of the pipe; he said to treat it twice a year with root killer and I'll be good. I don't trust plumbers and I do 80% of the plumbing issues at my homes (I also rent properties).

[@mochasoqrimey]

Geez 😂

[@Derriayers]

She is a nightmare

[@HerrWeberMFT]

The judge made the best point that the plaintiff is choosing to hold the belief that what she paid for was a 'job to be completed' instead of from the plumber's perspective of 'work was done.' The plumbers are not clairvoyant and will not know the problem until they investigate. Until she changes her perspective, which she probably never will, she will be stuck in her narrow viewpoint. One thing's for sure, even the plaintiff's pipes became tired of her crap, and cleaning them out was long overdue.

[@CleveNative]

No the plaintiff didn't "Ma'am..." the judge at the end of the case! That's not her title here! 😠

[@annward4149]

My husband isn't a plumber. But he pulls our toilet. Lady you wanted it fixed it got fixed you just don't want to pay. They told you. You agreed. Next time don't make any call for a plumber. Fix it yourself. No extra charge. Lady at your age you should no by now life isn't fair all the time. And if she knew he wasn't a plumber . She should have sent him on his way. She was hoping for a freebie.

[@NaomiIsSoAwesome98]

Idk why but when litigants try to call out the Judge AFTER she's given her verdict... makes me cringe so bad 😭😭

[@shellwilliams6306]

An APPRENTICE is just that....and the Licensed defendant is OVER the apprentice

[@lisaparrey1343]

yes if a licensed contractor always has to do it, then how does the apprentice get to be licensed.

[@DonziGT230]

$750 to pull a toilet and snake a drain is insane, especially without any guarantee that it'll work.

[@KrazyVideoChick]

Heck yeah. He has a business to run. If she doesnt like it she can do it herself.

[@KaktusLady]

@@jennifermarlow.kool and if you screw it up don’t call a plumber… keep fixing it yourself…

[@KrB12345]

@@jennifermarlow. I get the feeling when you hear “snake” you’re thinking a little $2 drain snake? This was a sewage main potential 50-100+ feet down the pipes you’re talking a multiple thousand dollar machine to “snake” it.

[@themrs.1200]

The comments tell me that no one lives in a major city or suburb. I’ve paid $300 just to unclog a sink when someone decided to dispose of oil and potato peels one night. 😢

[@JamieM470]

@@jennifermarlow. I've done that twice. Bought a 50-foot snake & it works like a charm. But I know what the problem is---the plumbing pipes are in a narrow "T" under the house, and that "T" joint can get blocked. Thanks crappy builders! (Edit: It's funny, it only got blocked when teenagers were in the house lol)

[@ldrivadrivah8049]

Being licensed was only a problem when you wanted your money back

[@h8551ang]

Wonder who she'll call next year! 😂

[@ConfusedinJuly]

She needs to stop blocking it up

[@pammers5588]

This plaintiff is ridiculous. I would hate to have to deal with someone like her. She does not have a good attitude at all.

[@MrAlienmagnet]

The Case of How A Karen Lost

[@David-wo9un]

💯

[@joshjosh6714]

It's kind of similar to healthcare. Doctors are paid for the service they perform regardless of the result.

[@NellieKAdaba]

True

[@ashleyquam]

Exactly! I pay a copay too see a specialist and then they have me see a PA not even an actual Dr

[@soapydesigner]

Removing a toilet without a license? Report him to the toilet police! lol

[@mademoiselleelayne3305]

😂

[@inthemouthofmadness5910]

This plaintiff is completely unreasonable. She knew exactly how much the job was going to cost. Also, she is saying the defendant is not licensed in her state. She should have researched that and never hired him to begin with if she was so concerned over it. The incompetence of some people.

[@BeckyJayson]

I don't think the company is unlicensed but they sent out an apprentice to go to the job- who was unlicensed. It was the employee that was unlicensed not the entire company.

[@brittanymark9213]

The defendant said that he is a an apprentice and apprentices can do certain work that they themselves may not have the license to do with the oversight of a their licensed boss. Since his boss is a licensed master plumber, then the apprentice then the apprentice is allowed to do things he may not have the license to do yet.

[@juliecranford534]

@@brittanymark9213What if the boss isn’t there to oversee it? The boss admitted this same thing is what put him in jail the first time. (Still think she owes, though.)

[@brittanymark9213]

@@juliecranford534 the boss doesn't have to be hovering over his shoulder the whole time, he can check the work periodically or after the fact depending on how complicated the task.

[@jamesruff361]

this lady is probably hard to live with lol

[@vixxter3099]

She probably lives alone for that reason😂

[@philsherrer]

When a Karen goes to court...

[@catherinesisk4369]

I have had people come to my house for repairs and they always "find" other problems. There are those that even try to take advantage of elderly people. Js

[@maxinef6654]

As soon as Karen came in, I knew she was going to be a problem.

[@prettybossy510]

She doesn't understand how business works...its not finite it's depends upon the outcome

[@fwb1012]

You weren’t worried about the license before they came to your home🙄 why worry about it now??

[@34stzoo]

0:15 Removing a toilet without a license is against the law? WTF!!! I'm not a licensed plumber I'm just a homeowner that replaced 100 toilets in my lifespan. Now I have to start looking over my shoulder for the cops! Damn, just damn!

[@NaomiIsSoAwesome98]

I think they mean as a business. Obvs people renovate their own house all the time.

[@oldageisdumb]

They said removing the toilet wasn’t illegal, it was reinstalling the toilet that was the issue.

[@pannamal5182]

What a crappy situation to have.

[@wynottgivemore9274]

$750.00 yikes!!! I do my own snaking and toilet removal...wow I owe myself thousands 😐

[@jeanm9521]

3 times in 4 years for blockages? If it always happens at plumbers vent ,it sounds like she's using way too much toilet paper or flushing something she shouldn't like those wipes people use.

[@missa1goins]

I was wanting to know why is this happening over and over

[@mademoiselleelayne3305]

That’s a good point. I was thinking, maybe it’s something related to the cities portion of the sewer line. But I’m guessing they would’ve checked that.

[@milfinu]

There's always that ONE customer who pulls crap like this

[@Hazel.Eyed.Gemini]

I’m not licensed. I’ve changed my toilet twice. Just make sure you buy a seal or two and get the bolt holes to line up.

[@ducethetruth7460]

And make sure it doesn't rock.

[@traceyaz125]

She always tells them to start their story and the minute they do she interrupts with questions. 🙄

[@barbarawallach1334]

Absolutely 💯

[@BREEZYM6015]

It's the case of "Flushed into a lawsuit". 😂

[@sheriwilliams5027]

Homeowners educate yourselves -stop pointing fingers and educate yourselves.

[@QS0924]

grandma is relentless.

[@brickstine202]

The plaintiff is delusional.

[@heatherbaker8596]

If she needed a plumber three times in four years she either needs to use less toilet paper or get the real reason for the blockage fixed, its clearly an ongoing issue, you shouldn't need a plumber that often to unblock a drain if its working properly.

[@34stzoo]

9:10 He lost me here. A few weeks ago I had my toilet pulled and the line cabled. It cost me $450.00 total for the work. That's a scam $400.00 to pull a toilet are they kidding me. It takes 15 mins to pull a toilet and 15 mins to reinstall it, plus $5.00 for the wax ring. SMH!!! Just another scamming plumbing company!

[@agnelodsa788]

If unlicensed plumber, why did you call this company again.

[@Cheesycheddar642]

As soon as the plaintiff started talking I was annoyed.

[@hateisforlosers6116]

Bless her heart....🙁🙁🙁🙁still not satisfied.

[@mashellj1203]

I don't care how this case end That young man gonna cost that man his business , clearly he is not a plumber .she did better calling roto. Rooter plumbing. That lady her homework to find out the young man got arrested for doing a job he wasn't licensed to do . The guy in the back with the red jacket and Glasses was laughing the whole time . LMBO 😂

[@cyndedawson3129]

You want the people to work for free!!! Come on she just don't get it smh

[@lostsoul1278]

I had spillage once, now I pay child support

[@barbaracollins4801]

😂😂😂

[@carlalongerbeam774]

😅😂🤣

[@zuritribe4844]

THE WAY SHE TOLD ABOUT THAT '09 MISHAP

[@JanMarieKellyAuthor]

I think it's funny that a LAWYER says plumbers overcharge.

[@topsswimmingcommunity4287]

I'm not the brightest, but I've pulled and reset a number of my toilets with ease. A license is needed?! What a rip off!

[@shellwilliams6306]

How much toilet paper is the plaintiff using 😳

[@Melmel1231]

All I can say is-KAREN!!!

[@joemancurreri6635]

Imagine have her over for holidays.

[@Shaikhofilm]

Plumbers charge good money , by the hour , and don’t guarantee results . She agreed to hire and pay them - then you got to pay. $350 to take a toilet off - find a relative/ friend that is strongman , watch KZbin and pull the toilet off . You’ll have to buy a wax ring or similar putting it back . Cost $2 to $5 for the ring . For unclogging the drain, buy a power snake , or a snake that will hook up to a drill. Run the thing for many many minutes - and run it out long back and forth. Keep running it for a long time after the clog is cleared. As it spins the middle of the cable curves scraping the pipe walls . That will work better than jetting. Keep in mind, you’ll run into a t , one going to the roof vent, the other down. Try snaking at other locations, like the bottom up, or the roof. Another option is to look for and hire a fixed price drain cleaner - not a $$$$ plumber. I’ve seen advertisements - any drain $79 .

[@oldageisdumb]

I will say, though, that seating a toilet is not easy. My hubby is VERY handy and does most everything around the house and with our cars. He has seated several toilets and struggles to get it right each time. It can be done, but certainly better with a professional.

[@Welshy]

14:20 she had no issue hiring "unlicened plumbers" when it started thgough..

[@ChristineDuval-cy5ck]

The plaintiff just wants it done cheap. Geez.

[@ILOVEBACONBOY2018]

you have issues if its clogged 3 times..

[@vixxter3099]

Must be having some monster bowel movements

[@fenrichvega6166]

Jesus christ this lady is too much. He still did the work and u agreed to it. Doesnt matter if he was licensed or not.....sheesh

[@jimmorrison9656]

Bunch of thieves.

[@24blunt]

she didn't care about the license when they quoted her that price, because if she had a union licensed plumber that would have been doubled

[@cdrone4066]

You don’t need a license to fix a toilet.

[@Ralphbo-u6l]

She old enough to be smarter than that unless she a thief. I say she’s a thief and done this very same many times. Probably went over the plaintiff record before she called him and had a plan in place

[@thegrouphomegoddess9684]

Why didnt she check his credentials ahead of time??

[@jennylynx1869]

I worked for a property maintenance company and we dealt with women like this all the time…yes women, men rarely tried to rip us off…

[@breezedollb88]

Heyyyyy people's court family 😊

[@GrumpySmurf0813]

👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾

[@lourak613]

The judge often misses this important point. True - a contract is a contract - but it is implied that the work will be done in a professional manner. It is imperative that a plumbing company have tools (and ladders) that can do the job. Any plumber that comes to a house with a 4 foot ladder, does not deserve to be paid.

[@c.t.1413]

The plaintiff is a karen

[@Victoria28057]

That lady is such a pain and dishonest. I'm sure if the paid the $750 for all the work done she wouldn't care about any license. She should change all that old piping so she don't have that problem anymore or be careful what you flush.

[@cagada]

Soooo, after she found out they aren’t licensed was when she wanted her money back? And toward the end she said they didn’t complete the job?

[@Dennismadeacomment]

Guarantees she was on the phone with the police walking down the courthouse steps to her car. 😂😂😂

[@paulturner1535]

The plaintiff brings up past problems with the mans' license. What kind of whiner is she?

[@NolaPie]

Why don’t they check for certifications before hiring someone 🙄

[@FenderBender5150]

The Plaintiff needs to look up the definition of the word "scope creep". I get this all the time...I estimate one price, then I end up having to do more work than originally anticipated, yet people still want to pay what the original estimate was. I bet these guys run into that problem all the time, this is why they have that form for people to sign off on.

[@lcam9241]

I hear you. And you should be paid for what you do. As a consumer/customer though, it is hard to swallow an end price that is double or triple the quoted price. I think one way to help is to communicate clearly in writing and verbally. In writing spell out what I'm getting for the quoted price. And then as soon as you see it is going to go beyond that, write out what and why of the new price.

[@Speakingthetruth2024]

I have worked for people like this more times I can count as a plumber. I am sorry ma’am but the line in full of baby wipes and tampons that is why I have to quote you more. Then have the nerve to say I don’t flush any of those things down the toilet. The other great one is cooking grease and coffee grinds and as well.

[@osomartinez]

crazy old woman

[@mudderjen]

As I have learned over the years of only a home that not all plumbers are created equal some or journeyman some our apprentice, and then even some journeyman plumbers are not very experienced. They simply have enough hours so when you hire a plumber, make sure you do your homework and see if they have any complaints, as with any contractor, you must look look at their reviews

[@michelegoff554]

Plaintiff sounds like a 12 year old tattletale!

[@wilmamalone1256]

She said she hired them before a year ago, i guess they didn't do a great job the first time 😢

[@BobBlumenfeld]

I'm not a plumber, but I can't see how jetting down the toilet stack wouldn't cause the same problem in the bathtub that using a plunger in the toilet would.

[@jamesrogers6376]

Bullcrap. He could of run the cable up a ladder. Ive done it many times for a roof vent. They might not know how to to it. Hire a retired plumber.

[@hankrhill324]

The concept of your drain going from the basement all the way through the roof baffles most people. They think of it as only going down. Lets sewer gas out and keeps all the drains working properly… helps prevent gurgling and stuff like that.

[@prettybossy510]

Omg Judge Milian I an so glad you get it. Lord this lady 🙄😮‍💨😬🫨🤨

[@jeannedobbins7880]

I don’t get it. I would have run 50 ft snake down the toilet. If that didn’t work I would have run it both ways at the clean out. Google it like everyone else. Or pay the plumber🤷‍♀️

[@barbarawallach1334]

Maybe Judge Milan could let the plaintiff finish a thought before interrupting her ever moment.

[@michelleh9794]

That price is right I had the a similar and paid $850 in a lower cost of living state.

[@arianefr78]

If she is blocking up the toilet 3 times in 4 years, she needs to stop throwing, whatever it is she is throwing, down the toilet, probably babywipes, cotton wool or kleenex, so she is lucky they were able to unblock her toilet at all...

[@BLeeHoney]

Right! 😂court case aside, what the hell is she flushing down the toilet?!

[@mikek7050]

The Plaintiff looks like the old mean lady in every kids movie from the 80s and 90s

[@thegrouphomegoddess9684]

Wanting something for nothing after the fact?

[@34stzoo]

5:00 I have issues at this point. The judge was right when she said the price goes up with every failed attempt made by that plumbing company. I had work done at my home that required jetting the line. For all of you that don't know jetting is a 3/4" hose with a special high-pressure head on it. It’s attracted to a pressure washer and fed into the drain line. The whole process normally takes less than an hour. Why they charge over $1000.00 for that service I will never know. I once had a toilet issue that I couldn't figure out why it was plugging up. It wasn't the drain line, it was the toilet. The plumber came out and remove the toilet and took every step I did to tell me I should replace the toilet. That was a $500.00 bill. I did replace the toilet. I took the old toilet and broke it to find the scale at the bottom of the S curve.

[@passerby107]

Like electricians, plumbers can charge that kind of money simply because they can. I should have been a plumber or an electrician!!!

[@ashleyquam]

😂is the roof vent on the roof…well ya